/lit/ - Literature

Yeah, but he wasn't the Ubermensch :)

>>15326526
I've only read Hero Worship so far. What are his other essential must-read books?

>>15326526
Yes, but he doesnt have an interesting Phenotype, so they choose someone who would give it some more brand recognition.

>>15326535
>>15326624
Carlyle is miles more handsome than Nietzsche

>>15326644
Also instead of übermensch his was the more common one of hero. Both advocate mimesis, and therefore Homer over Plato, literature (poetry) over philosophy. Correctly.

>>15326535
Neither was Nietzsche :D

>>15326526
Nietzsche acknowledged Carlyle. What's your point?

>>15326526
Neechgay is mostly regurgitated bollocks from Carlyle, Mainländer and Schopenhauer.

>>15326526
Nietzsche trashed him like the muddleheaded A*glo he was.

>Is a Christcuck
?

>>15326526
>says everything Nietzsche said
like what

>>15326535
Nietzsche wasn't either. Nietzsche had a strong mind and a strong spirit, but ultimately he was just a skinny, impotent nerd who reveled in the feats of great men which could never hope to replicate. He had a mental breakdown because he saw a gorse getting spanked. Carlyle on the other hand had Chad physognomy written all over him.

>>15326526
>In contemporary society a great deal of consideration, of tact and forbearance, of good-natured respect for the rights of others, even for the claims of others, is quite widespread; even more, a certain benevolent instinctive estimation of human value in general, which finds expression in trustfulness and credit of all kinds. Respect for man—and not merely for virtuous men—is perhaps what divides us most sharply from a Christian evaluation. It seems to us ironic to a degree when we still hear morals preached; a man lowers himself in our eyes and becomes comical if he preaches morals. This moral liberality is one of the best signs of our age. When we discover cases in which it is noticeably lacking, this strikes us as a kind of sickness (the case of Carlyle in England, the case of Ibsen in Norway, the case of Schopenhauerian pessimism throughout Europe). If anything can reconcile us to our age, it is the great amount of immorality it permits itself without thinking any the worse of itself. On the contrary! What constitutes the superiority of culture over unculture? of the Renaissance over the Middle Ages, for example?—One thing alone: the great amount of admitted immorality. From this it follows of necessity what all the heights of human evolution must represent to the eye of the moral fanatic: the non plus ultra of corruption (—consider Savonarola's judgment of Florence, Plato's judgment of Periclean Athens, Luther's judgment of Rome, Rousseau's judgment of Voltaire's society, the German judgment contra Goethe).

>In great men, the specific qualities of life—injustice, falsehood, exploitation—are at their greatest. But in so far as they have had an overwhelming effect, their essence has been most misunderstood and interpreted as goodness. Type: Carlyle as interpreter.

From Will to Power.

>>15329273
he wasn't skinny

>>15329273
>chad good

>>15329299
>>In great men, the specific qualities of life—injustice, falsehood, exploitation—are at their greatest.

what did he mean by this?

>>15329299
thanks Thrasymachus

>>15326535
SUPER DUPER MEN

>>15329765
Breaking both stated and unstated laws (customs), lying not just to others but to oneself, using other human beings exclusively as instruments to further one's own necessarily false (or more fortunately nebulous if they extend at all beyond oneself) end(s) inclusive of scapegoating. We have a 'great man' who suits these criteria to a tee right now in the highest office of a certain Western land. Though I resisted Nehamas's interpretation at first it makes more and more sense as the years pass

>>15329890
so basically a con-man? neetzche is more pathetic than i thought then. shame

>>15326526
ANy one read Sartor Resartus? I'm probably gonna read it after I finish my current book. Hear it is funny and good.

>>15329906
You are a spiritual homosexual with the soul of a mouse or earthworm.

>>15329910
i´m spiritually the international heterosexual and with my soul i will achieve my true will no matter what, neetsche is the faggot who likes to suck con-man dick, even Ragnar Redbeard had more dignity than him

>>15329922
>no matter what
That's the spirit.

Why does Nietzsche get so many faggot's knickers in a twist? Even Marx doesn't get this much hate.

>>15329273
Nietzsche was actually /fit/ when he became a professor

Carlyle is a genuine spiritual aristocrat while Nietzsche is a genuine middle class striver.

>>15329910
>or earthworm
had that been a chess move my response would have been: !

>>15329890
>We have a 'great man' who suits these criteria to a tee right now in the highest office of a certain Western land.
You're joking, right? Nietzsche wasn't talking about celebrity con men like him. He was saying that genuinely great men like Thucydides or Caesar or Goethe or Napoleon are always great in all ways at once, including both in good and in evil ways, and that Carlyle naively ignored this in his beautification of the great. "What is done out of love is always beyond good and evil" after all. His entire campaign against Christianity has much to do with his view that it neuters humanity's capacity for greatness in humanity because it neuters humanity's capacity to do what it calls evil.

>>15326535
>Yeah, but he wasn't the Ubermensch :)
No but he worked in upper management at the based department

>>15329273
He had a mental breakdown when his fucking brain cancer started to take greater effect. People don't just philosophize themselves into such states, that's a particularly quaint form of pseudoscience.

>>15326526
Looking to get into Carlyle, where should I start? I was thinking French Revolution writings.

>>15326644
Never said he wasnt handsome. Just That Neitzche has a more iconic look.

>>15326526
Nietzsche philosophy was fine, but brought those nihilistic babbles, something Nietzsche was clearly against, ruining his works.

>>15330694
Sartor Resartus is pretty interesting and relatively short, so maybe that would be a good start. It's a satire that shows existentialist themes of a life philosophy, among other things.

Tolstoi's bitch

>>15330627
How was Goethe in any way "evil"?

>>15331326
>what is Faust

>>15329273
Nietzsche was in the military. Your mind has been ruined by le virgin - chad dichotomy.

>>15329353
Yes.

>>15330627
Anon addressed here--
Halfway, but I think most everyone participates in these criteria nowadays whether they realize it or not. Despite the way I feel about the celebrity 'con man' of reference, I do feel that he reflects this age beautifully, justly, if unflatteringly. His detractors (to reference Wilde, and I've done this before here) merely express 'the rage of Caliban beholding his own face in the mirror.'
But yes, your point's correct. But who's really equipped (or given the conditions) to follow with hopes of surpassing the great masters in 2020? No one. Nietzsche was prophet if not at first then foremost.

>>15329971
It's their putative daddy.

>>15331544
Elaborate

Wasn't this dude a nazi?

Stirner still beat him to the punch and even he was just tweaking bits from Hegel

>>15330681
>People don't just philosophize themselves into such states
Nietzsche literally writes about this in Daybreak and gives advice about how a great man makes oneself mad. Do you people read him?

>>15331707
There's a difference between madness and brain cancer, bub.

>>15331673
post his actual soiboy face instead of the drawing

>>15331669

>Died in 1881
>A nazi

Take a brain scan

>>15331673
stirner doesn't actually exist, he is a fictional character engels made up to troll marx

>>15331658
What do you think is meant by the term Faustian?

>>15331769
>he wrote a story about making deals with the devil so he must have been evil himself
Please tell me you are not this retarded and you have a good reason for your claim.

>>15331789
You're as naive as Carlyle

>>15326526
>And who heeded him in his own land to world historical effect?
That said, there really does need to be a resurgence of Carlyle

>>15329299
>overwhelming effect, essence misinterpreted as goodness

>>15329765
>what did he mean by this?
>>15329890
^,
> It is the privilege of true genius, And especially genius who opens up a new path, To make great mistakes with impunity
Or of a Saint/Prophet, great immorality (Moses ethnically cleansing the Levant; Jesus scourging the money lenders.)

>>15331615
No.

>>15331750
thanks

>>15331750
faces are a spook

In twilight of the idols he criticizes Carlyle reverence for heroes

No one ever actually points to how Nietzsche ripped off Carlyle.

>>15331750

jesus christ i look just like him holy shit wtf

>>15331750
Weird that he looks just like Samuel Beckett.

Nietzsche hated him because he knew deep down that he was a superior keltisch version of himself

>>15331669
ahaha

>>15334239

>>15331750
It's not him REEEEEEEE

can someone please tldr on him?

>>15329971
Nietzsche was a cringe LARPer with even cringier fanboys. Think Guenon tier followers. Carlyle stays meme-free and hasn't strongly influenced the creation of feminist epistemologies.

>>15331707
>he wrote it so it musta happen

>>15329971
As another anon said, think of him as Guenon. I have similar appreciation for the two men (as different as they are).

>>15334646
This is a reddit tier argument

>>15332840
It's Beckett, mate.

>>15332840
Congratulations, you have the stock nerdy onions face I see when I try to imagine any of the posters on this board. Could you be any more cliche?

>>15334931
Nice deflect, reddit.

remember that if you have to make an imaginary superman in your head to supplant the authority of God, the loser is always you

>>15335454

>my imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend

High level discourse right here my dudes

>>15326526
Looks like you posted the wrong pic, OP! Don't worry, I've got it here for you. We all make mistakes bro :)

>>15335470

but God(s) is/are real, my bugman friend. not the same thing

>>15331794
why can’t neetchcucks ever just make a point without devolving into nasally autistic name-calling?

>>15334931
>>15335424
The least reddit thing you could do is to be authentically yourself, so stop worrying about what is or isn't reddit. It's completely irrelevant