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I have become more convinced that wealth distribution is wrong
I am also convinced that the entirety of the American right wing is a full on boot-licking LARPfest. of all the people that should have been prepared for an economic distaste and food/services supply disruptions, it should have been them. Instead they revealed themselves to have nothing prepared. entirely dependant on government handouts and corporate services. Nobody had a three month supply of food and water. Nobody was involved with their local farming community. The same people who go on and on about how much the left is pathetic and relies on others for everything showed themselves to be exactly the same. And what's more, when the state stepped in and started pushing to control when small businesses could operate and how they could operate, when governor's started granting themselves emergency powers out of thin air, when all this shit started back in March, the right wing completely rolled over and did nothing, with only a few splinter groups finally protesting in late April, and other right wingers went out of their way to disavow them at that.
pathetic.

>>15320384
I stopped believing the USA is a great country. The USA and UK have been inept at handling the virus.

>>15320517
>only now he stopped believing the US is a great country
based amerishart.

>>15320384
"First world country" is a meme concept.
China must be destroyed.
People have shit hygiene for 21st century standards.

Laws need to cease to exist.
That's what I've learned. So then I can incite my brutal regime.

>>15320384

If what you are saying is true OP then I am very happy for you.

Factory farming and wet markets should be abolished, with the endgame being the end of meat eating in general. Carnists have caused plagues because of their hedonistic search for flesh to eat.
Mercantilism is correct, imports should be as limited as possible. Free market globalization kills.

>>15320384
I grew even more disgusted by social media, and I don't even have any.

>>15320568
this

The dichotomy between democracy/authoritarianism and planned/market economies is a false.
Economies are human infrastructure, somebody has to do the planning; right now a handful of Wall Street lawyers and arms contractors are at the helm. It is a dictatorship of money, and they are sacrificing the old and sick to maintain it.
"Dictatorship of the proletariat" is no longer a scary buzzword. I embrace the baggage that comes with it.

>>15320384
Firstly, it changed my view on just how fraudulent governments, particularly China, can be in a time of crisis. China lied to the world, while at the same time sending almost every available mask from my country back to China through CCP state-owned businesses.

Secondly, it massively changed my view on institutions such as the WHO, who not only lied to people about the seriousness of the virus, but actually covered it up and gave out false medical advice (i.e. you don't need a mask)

Finally, it changed my view on the "global economy". Not only are maybe up to half of all jobs in "advanced economies" completely unnecessary, or even useless, but when the people aren't working in their jobs, the world didn't end. There was no "social unrest" with high unemployment. In my opinion it calls into question the entire economic system. Should essential products be made halfway across the world? No. Should foreign businesses acting on behalf of a hostile government be allowed to operate in my country? No. Should people waste valuable years at school and university if they graduate with a meaningless job? No.

This virus has exposed almost every aspect of the whole "globalised world" society that was being pushed by business ideologues in my humble opinion. It was brought to it's knees in about two months after just one person became infected with a highly contagious virus. Reserve banks have been printing money out of their arse to keep it functioning, and we are headed for massive inflation, which obliterates people who saved their money in favour of people who "invest" it in "assets", it's just desperation to keep the system from collapsing. I predict employment will never rise to what it was before, as automation will surely take a hold after the virus is passed.

It just confirmed my beliefs, I got more time to read which is nice. I've enjoyed the lockdown because there aren't nearly as many cars driving and the forest is nice.

>>15320568

This 2.

>>15320633
>It just confirmed my beliefs
go on then

>All governments are incompetent to a certain degree, and all have fucked up quite hard.
>The UN is even more corrupt and incompetent than i imagined
>China is a shockingly incompetent mafia state that is far more corrupt than anyone ever thought. They also don't seem to understand the concept of diplomacy and have managed to piss off the entire world.
>Internationalism is a lie and breaks down in favor of nationalism when things get even a little bit rough.
>People are far more comfortable with authoritarianism than i thought, even in democracies
>A significant portion of the economy is just self-serving bullshit jobs and bullshit services that we do not need
>The human effects on our environment are far more tangible than i realized.
>The gym is more important to my mental wellbeing than i realized
>Fascist corporatism is the way

>Destroys your world
kind of amazing that this pokemon will have such a profound effect on human history

>>15320497
>Nazis are statist
shocker

>>15320633
>and the forest is nice.
where do you live, Anon?

>>15320384
It confirmed my believe that the human spirit is dead and the masses are cowed anti-life.

>>15320640
no thanks

>>15320655
wasn't a bat?

>>15320655
It wasn't a pangolin. It was a bat being tested in the Wuhan Institute of Virology

>>15320642
are you a Spanish speaker?

>>15320384
no
>>15320568
based

>>15320679
Bats and pangolins are cooped up together in a wet market -> bats spread one of their diseases to the pangolin -> the pangolin spreads it to a human

>>15320642
>Fascist corporatism is the way
Isn't this what we already have?

>>15320384
This virus (which I caught and recovered from) has only reinforced my view that our species is an evolutionary dead end. We are simply not capable of coming together and dealing with adversity. I have become even more solipsistic in my approach to life, I just want to accumulate resources and become completely self-sufficient so I can wall myself off and stay safe from whatever the next global catastrophy is.

>>15320770
you will infect us, retard. go away.

>>15320770
I had it as well, and am performing the same self-sufficient bollocks. I bought a load of dried beans.

>>15320568
Based, though I disagree slightly on the meat point. You should limit the amount of meat you eat as much as possible, and any meat you do eat should be killed and prepared by your hand or family.

>>15320384
I think emergency powers should grant the executive more power at the expense of the legislature but that the legislatures is the one to have to initiate a state of emergency. For the reason that if the legislature by such an act has to give up power they're less likely to want to activate emergency powers to take advantage of a crisis to get legislation passed or other nefarious purposes. Works especially well when the legislature and executive are filled in by different parties furthermore it should require a 3/4 majority in the legislature to activate emergency powers.

>>15320384
World governments have proven unsurprisingly inept. Hopefully, they will be more responsive and prepared when a real, actually deadly pandemic comes.
I have discovered just how dependent I really am on my consoomer habits like gym-going

People really do just love to roll over and surrender their freedom when they're scared. Especially those who preach about freedom and self sufficiency, lol.

We take so much for granted.

>>15320829
>Hopefully, they will be more responsive and prepared when a real, actually deadly pandemic comes.
Look at the conditions of the last deadly pandemic, Spanish Flu, and the conditions in the countries today with COVID. COVID is deadlier and all around worse, it's just slower.

>did the virus change your views on anything?
the virus has changed my views on how many people i think are brainwashed by random crap they read on social media
hint: it's a fucking shit ton

>>15320384
>did the virus change your views on anything?
No.

>>15320843
The kinds of pandemics that bioterrorists with access to CRISPR will unleash in the coming decades will make COVID look like a fucking joke.

>>15320953
Maybe, maybe not.

>>15320665
but I'm not talking about nazis

>>15320706
God I fucking wish

>>15320384
not a single thing

I'm waiting for the virus to be over and for the inevitable status quo

intellectuals that come out and say that it's an important period in "our" lives are doing it only for some kind publicity, if not monetary then for the ego boost

>>15320497
>Nobody was involved with their local farming community. The same people who go on and on about how much the left is pathetic and relies on others for everything showed themselves to be exactly the same.
You should come hang out with us ancoms doing mutual aid, and read some trotsky with us. We're doing grocery deliveries for people who aren't eligible for unemployment and have lost their jobs.

>>15321011
this *is* the status quo, anon

>>15320384
I'm a lot less concerned with keeping my fedora untipped now. I never really cared for the "blah blah blah love your country" shit, but I at least didn't rag on people for it, because I thought they at least told themselves this lie too. But evidently I was wrong. People want their "second amendment right" to wear an iron to the grocery store but can't even wear a mask. So much for self defense. Even now there are still people comparing flu and corona deaths, but god forbid the same be done with 9/11. How could all these people have cared about 9/11's tiny little 3k when they're willing to sacrifice orders of magnitude more just to reopen local burger joints? And the answer is they didn't, they never cared. They just cared about the world trade center, the building itself. The twin towers could have been struck while empty and we'd still have invaded Iraq, because at the end of the day it was really just an economic offense. I'm no longer willing to pretend these people are just dumb. They're horrible.

>>15320517
>>15320528
>>15320608
>>15320829
>>15321122
Welcome to the left, comrades

>>15321165
None of what I said makes me a leftist. All that's happened is that my subhuman-human dichotomy has been reinforced.

i think the positives of globalism (as of today, right this minute) still outweigh the negatives, but I recognize this isn't because my quality of life hasn't been completely obliterated by this whole thing YET.

I also think that globalism is more of a tendency than an actual ideology. Because we live on a fucking globe how could it not make sense to have a globalized economy and culture. The trend started with Magellan and lives with us to this day.

I think indeed many governments have either overstepped or under-stepped the mark. In the cases of over-stepping I wouldn't say this is ill-spirited authoritarianism as some poster alluded to above, but it will turn ugly very fast if it goes on for too long and peoples material conditions and mental state start to decay. Most people need the dignity of working, weather they know it or not.

Good or bad, we're witnessing history, which is on one level terrifying but on another level pretty rad.

>>15320384
Perhaps you should read a book on basic economics. I recommend Thomas Sowell.

>>15321267
>reading negroes

>>15321165
It's >>15320517 speaking. I'm still on the Right. I'd consider myself a leftist about 15 years ago, but the Left has gone totally insane since then.

>>15321305
You mean the actual Left or the "progressives"? Because Americans have some bizarre concept of the Left.

>>15321018
>ancoms
>Trotsky
wtf?

>>15321165
Last of who you quoted. I was already there, just less willing to give people benefit of the doubt now.

>>15321321
I just use ancom as a catch all for non-auth leftists. I'm honestly more of a market socialist/analytical socialist. And reading all kinds of leftist theory that you might not agree with is good, just like you read books you might not like at first.

>>15321122
incoherent and midwit-pilled

>>15321488
i sense you might be yet some other kind of socialist

>>15320497
I dunno what kinda soft ass right wing posers you live around but in Arkansas most right wings homestead/ stockpile for shit like this. My neighbors literally haven't left their property for like 2 months

>>15320497
>Nobody had a three month supply of food and water.
Nobody needed a three month supply of food and water
>a political side is hypocritical
Well I'll be anon, it must be your 13th birthday.

>>15320843
It's no worse. Quit buying into the media bullshit

>>15320384

Hmmm.

>Society is actually a very fragile structure. If a small thing stops, it might as well collapse.
>We actually don't know everything when it comes to health, nor do we actually know how the world functions in general.
>The lockdown happened not because for safety reasons, but because we didn't have enough data.
>Science is not to be fully entirely trusted. Often times people make bad judgements based on incomplete data.
>Society suffers from one big fucking dunning-kruger when it comes to impending disasters.

>>15321488
Solid dude.
I have to go find me some socialist peeps to hang with. This place is stifling now.

The only real changes for me consist of having to use a mask and goggles more while at work, as well as losing a fair chunk of my portfolio.

>>15320384
I learned that western leaders aren't even good at being authoritarian. Viktor Orban has gone full Palpatine and declared himself the senate, while our guys are debating which manner of half measures to take.
Spengler was right. Western civilization will either collapse and be conquered or ossify into an imperium within the 21st century.

>>15321803
Near everything stopped and society is still here muh dude

>>15320627
Interesting anon.

>>15321795
Drink your bleach hun

>>15321840
Lick harder, retard

>>15321844

Yes the objects might be here, but what about life day-to-day? It is changing rather rapidly.

>>15320384
The same. I am also convinced anyone arguing against wealth redistribution is a bad faith actor who, in reality, is saying "wealth distribution is okay for me, just not for anyone else"

>>15320568
I agree except for keeping a family/neighbourhood/ cow or chickens or something like what >>15320806 said. What do you think about large scale grain and vegetable farming though? Would that also be localized?

>>15320384
The economy is laughably fragile. Everyone was talking about how great everything was, then a virus happens and now everything goes to shit.

>>15320384
Reinforced my opinion that the world is an insane theme park ride and I can't trust pretty much anything anyone says without really doing vigorous research. The best way is to just do the opposite of what most people are doing, and you will pretty much be fine.

I learned more about the different political views which I was in the dark about aside from watching the culture wars of the last 10 years. I thought before that politics was about logistical theories on how to best run a society, but it seems to me now that if you reduce all the views to their origin it's just someone's base, inherent moral stance versus someone else's, which surely means the whole thing is a dead end. I can't convince a sociopath that helping people is the right thing to do and vice versa.

>>15321856
You wish you could bootlick. It's that or dark ages.

>>15321165
>replies to posts that have nothing to do with leftism
based intellectually dishonest lefty retard

>>15320384
Kinda. Before the virus I was all about commute living. Using public spaces, prioritizing social behavior and travel the world etc. Now I just want to chill out in my private place and trying to be as self sufficient and get self satisfaction as possible. Before, I was after social interaction, now I just want to be left alone. Kinda sad tbqh.

this
https://www.bitchute.com/video/sHrpUplJPTUE/

>>15321856
You will retard, when the iron boot of authoritarian chinkydom comes crashing down on your de-militarized atmoized undefended throat after the cold war generation is finally dead and dusted.

>>15321889
I think permaculture + a mutual aid system would be the most resilient system. Some degree of animal ownership would be necessary here, so I think people would still own cows, goats, chickens, etc. Chickens are especially useful because they eat your pests. And if we're already keeping birds to control pests, then I don't see why people shouldn't eat their unfertilized eggs beyond "ew, yucky chicken periods".

>>15320384
I think that coronavirus has exposed most governments as being incredibly incompetent. We like to think of the American government as this well oiled machine, but after seeing how they’ve handled the situation it’s obvious they’re just making it up as they go and they’re terrible at improvising.

>>15321727
Probably, what's your intuition?

>>15322299
>We like to think of the American government as this well oiled machine
When did anyone ever think that?

>>15320384
The only thing I learned is that a whole lot of 'introverts' are liars.

>>15320497
Do you think the media covers preppers who have had no issues? That would both make for shitty TV and would reinforce anti-liberal behavior. Maybe don't trust every pile of rancid shit that gets pushed your way.

it has convinced me of what i already suspected, that we have no fucking idea what we are doing and are, collectively, dumb as a rock

>>15322322
you'd be surprised at how many normies think that especially regarding the military and global orgs like WHO

>>15320627
>but when the people aren't working in their jobs, the world didn't end
This is a huge.

I’ve been more convinced that Reaganite American conservatism and aRepublican party need to go away, but it hasn’t really changed anything. Would still rather see the end of humanity than the total victory of the political left in this country.

>>15320384
It completely convinced me we need to end the federal reserve.

China should be nuked off the face of the earth

>>15321722
OK midwit

>>15320384
No matter what country no live in, it's bureaucrats and elected officials are highly corrupt. No need to be a rich and powerful person to live in this world.

>>15321122
This. It's impossible for the american right to pretend 9/11 wasn't virtue signaling at this point, which takes out their main critique of moral arguments. Hopefully this opening is used well.

>>15321165
>One shockingly effective phrase that makes 80% of people automatically break of any intent of identifying as left, and other strategies to besmirch your whole creed.

I don't think it was Incompetence, it was Indifference. We didn't have all the necessary information, but I still believe the World Governments could've done a much better job, they simply didn't want to, not that they couldn't.

>>15322913
>we

>>15321795
Only the US is saying this bollocks at this point, you are getting and will get yours eventually.

>>15320568
Meat is extraordinarily safe these days.

>>15320627
Only thoughtful post on this thread sadly.

>>15320568
None of the animals who carried the disease were legal to sell at market anyways iirc. I generally agree with you but you can't seriously be going for the war-on-drugs type response as if that won't just make matters worse.

>>15322976
Safe by what metric? You need to have more formed ideas, like it's very well established that not only could industrialised farming practices be the source of more pandemics in the future, it's also known to be a driver of antibiotic resistant bacteria. Plus it's just plain shit.

>>15322976
Yeah, for the consooomer.

>>15323029
>None of the animals who carried the disease were legal to sell at market anyways iirc.
The Chinese wet markets weren't illegal, although the problem's always been that they might go underground.

>>15323033
Safe as you can eat it and not die. Industrialized farms are not wet markets.

>antibiotic resistance
Ok, I agree on that

>>15323044
I know the markets weren't illegal, I thought the animals were.

>>15323049
Yeah you can eat it and not die, but produce it and you do. Close enough.

>>15322712
Based

>>15322695
Thats not going to happen with your average working man, especially in the South

>>15320627
1. you are a fucking retard if you didnt take china's word with a pound of salt from get-go. look at taiwan and korea. they knew that who is pozzed, and that chica was lying.

2. same shit with 1. taiwan saw what happened with UN during detente, etc etc. another generic firstie blindness

>>15320568
problem is globalization. all the boomer media are saying >wet market bad >chinaman bad, when in reality, its the globalization that led to this. africa and india have wetmarket too, but wasnt really that connected.

it just showed that firsties are the real snowflakes, and the nations that lives under siege mentality like taiwan, finland, korea are doing well. sweden, for an example, havent had war in longest time - and you see how cucked it gets. etc,etc.

>>15323180
>africa and india have wetmarket too
Ebola, MERS...

>>15323125
We've seen time and time again that it just isn't capable of responding to disasters of any kind. I can understand belief in social conservatism, but the economic component is a clear failure.

>>15320517
What exactly would you have had done? The United States is a global commerce hub that runs on free trade and movement and New York City is the most globalized world-city on the planet. The president is a retard who says dumb things but considering it’s mostly concentrated in New York and given the circumstances there it’s almost surprising that it hasn’t been much worse. I don’t see how the response could have been any different as the problem was the conditions which made it susceptible in the first place.

It red-pilled me on how self serving and shallow my fellow Americans are. I already knew that but watching people hoard masks and toilet paper to make a buck or preserve themselves a million times over at the expense of others was the nail in the coffin on that. It red pilled me on how my job is pretty stupid and I could’ve been doing it from home this whole time but again, I already knew that. It also red pilled me on how absolutely fucking gay Westerners are with their healthcare hero worship and clap for me now bullshit but again, I already knew that. Otherwise, none of this, including the economic fallout, has surprised me at all.

>>15323302
I was also red pilled on how retarded nationalists are when they started saying stuff like “this will kill globalism” or “this is how nationalism wins”.

>>15320384
>did the virus change your views on anything?
I always thought there was the potential for another pandemic like the 1918 flu to occur in the present day. But I now believe that this is impossible because too many places have modern health standards not Miami though .

>>15321165
kek

I am dissapointed in just about everyone and every institution for dropping the ball so bad when anons were discussing how serious this shit was months before anything was done to contain it in the US. I am much more open to socialism, but it would have to be without the identity politics that has infected the modern left and liberals.

>>15320706
no we have corporatocracy

>>15321310
When people say leftists in the U.S. they usually mean bourgeois liberals.

>>15320384
I lived in quarantine for two years fighting for my life due to malpractice and I survived. I realize now how spoiled and weak most of the people around me are, and I have a greater appreciation for my own endurance and fortitude.

>>15323555
wtf got you quarantined for 2 years????

>>15321935
For real

I'm really sad at seeing so many people who work their ass off, yet barely make it by, going out of their way to defend millionaires and bash people who have it even harder than themselves.

Is this the despair Heidegger and Kierkegaard talked about? It makes me feel afraid. I don't know what to do. Are they lost? Can I do anything? Should I even care?

Gonna dedicate myself to being more /out/. Not planning on the whole get a house thing anymore, probably van life for a bit and then buy some land out west.

1. America is retarded. Its reign as the global hegemon is over despite what Amerifats say about it.

2. The nation-states of Asia are far more robust than I thought.

3. The economies of our society are genuinely fucked. The amount of fictitious capital out there is bizarre and insane; watching the stock markets go back up as unemployment mounted each day genuinely made me feel sick. We seriously need to torpedo the NYSE.

4. The technological control of our society is now so pervasive that people take it completely for granted. There was no discussion about most of the electronic monitoring measures and the stay-at-home, it just happened and no one cared.

It showed me how socialism couldn't be more wrong and how most of the populace should be culled.

every twitterbrained political crank is a pussy and full of shit

>>15320627
>Not only are maybe up to half of all jobs in "advanced economies" completely unnecessary, or even useless, but when the people aren't working in their jobs, the world didn't end. There was no "social unrest" with high unemployment.
How fucking naive do you have to be to believe this? Governments around the world are shelling out billions every week just to keep people from going hungry, and the global economy is set to have its worst depression in centuries. We have seen nothing yet.

>>15323766

haha stupid doomer. You do realize all those unemployed people can go right back to work once this corona thing is dealt with, right?

>>15323617
They’re the ones who feel true despair anon

>>15323924
To which jobs you moron? Businesses are going to the wall everyday, do you think people can just walk straight back into employment when this is over?

>>15323910
Agreed. It takes months for changes in the economy to truly realise themselves. We've seen absolutely nothing yet. The shit won't hit the fan until some months from now. This idea that the jobs that have been lost are "useless" because you haven't felt an immediate and tangible effect is stupidity.

>>15323924
Bitch I'm one of those people unemployed by coronavirus and I can tell you that I ain't going back to work any time soon, go eat a bag of penises.

>>15323924
I wish I could get my job back that easily

>>15323935

New businesses will pop up wherever there is a demand for them. Lots of business that are going under at the moment weren't viable to begin with.

It showed me how retarded everyone is.

>>15323940

What was your job?