/lit/ - Literature

>>15313561
the pervert's guide to cinema

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>>15313563
Good movie.

>>15313561
Not all of these are directly related to film, but at least they are about visual art, which can be placed in a film context

- What is cinema? by André Bazin
- The Mind's eye by Henri Cartier Bresson
- On Photography by Susan Sontag
- Film form by Sergei Eisenstein
- The Work of art in the age of mechanical reproduction by Walter Benjamin
- Language of vision by Gyrogy Kepes
- Film as art by Rudolf Arnheim
- Ways of seeing by John Berger
- This: >>15313575
- Camera Lucida by Roland Barthes
- The Virtual life of film by D. N. Rodowick
- Kino-eye by Dziga Vertov

>>15313561
I don't know much about film and philosophy, but these are the books that I found most practically useful.
I'll also add that I once read a book of interviews with Michaelangelo Antonioni which changed everything for me. So many books about Antonioni focus on absurd symbolism of the mise en scene, that an innocuous moment of moving garbage done by an actor while speaking is seen as a greater statement of the state of aesthetics or some bullshit. However what I got from Antonioni's interviews was that it all starts with actors. He didn't like "intellectual actors" I think because he didn't want them to think in terms of 'meaning' or symbols, but he wanted them to act like their character would. To behave honestly. I believe Tarkovksy had a similar idea when he said "images not symbols". When you sort of let life unfold in front of the camera that's where the real poignant meaning can come from.
>Grierson on Documentary - John Grierson
I always found Eistenstein's theories hard to understand until I read Gierson. It made me rethink the artform of editing.
>Judith Weston - Directing Actors
I can't remember much of this, other than it's been immensely helpful and to use 'action verbs'
>Some book by Alexander Dovzhenko
I can't remember the name of it. But I only read it because Stanley Kubrick said it was the most useful book he had ever read on filmmaking. I remember in particular the way he emphasized the 'plastic' nature of the medium, and dissected the possibility of showing a crowd, such as a demonstration from several different angles and perspectives. He also seemed to be a keen student of American films at the time, admiring their story structure.

>>15313561

Roger Scruton - Photography and Representation
Andre Bazin - Ontology and the Photographic Image

Don't bother with Deleuze's work on Cinema, I'm always suspicious that when Deleuze is discussing like film, art or literature, he is not writing about these subjects but using them to reinforce his own philosophical system (for example, you wont learn anything about Francis Bacon's work by reading Deleuze).

>>15315735
>Roger Scruton
peak boomer bullshite

>>15315747

>boomer

is this really the only thing you can say about Scruton?

>>15315761
Yes.

Robert Bresson - Notes on Cinematography

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>>15315428

kino posts. do you guys regularly write about this type of stuff?

>>15315747
Deleuze is a prototypical hippie boomer, nice try

>>15315735
>Don't bother with Deleuze's work on Cinema, I'm always suspicious that when Deleuze is discussing like film, art or literature, he is not writing about these subjects but using them to reinforce his own philosophical system
Yeah Cinema 1+2 are Deleuze engaging with Bergson by way of cinema, not him engaging with cinema

>>15316560
I (>>15315428) study philosophy at university, and have taken some film studies classes for fun, so yeah I've written quite a bit about philosophy and film.

>>15316932
where do you study anon?

>>15317213
University of Iceland

>>15313561

Robert B. Pippin's Hollywood Westerns and American Myth: The Importance of Howard Hawks and John Ford for Political Philosophy

A very fine book. The subject matter doesn't seem particularly promising: Hawks and Ford have something meaningful to tell us about political philosophy? Really?

Pippin makes a most persuasive and thought-provoking case that they, in fact, do.

To the extent philosophy is interested in the subject of marriage, Pursuits of Happiness: The Hollywood Comedy of Remarriage by philosopher Stanley Cavell offers a very penetrating treatment of the subject.

>>15315887
This.

>>15316560
I'm the other guy>>15315485
, no. I have personal essays which I use to guide my own filmmaking and I've done some film reviews, but that's it for theory

Who are the most /lit/ filmmakers/films?

>>15318858
It's a threeway tie between Tarkovsky, Bergman and Bresson.

>>15318900
>>15318858
Truffaut and Kurosawa

>>15318858
Shinjuku

Fine recs but missing very essential works by Noel Caroll, Peter Wollen, Paul Schrader, and Raymond Bellour.

>>15318858
Mizoguchi, Schrader, Benning, King Vidor, Tarkovsky, Michael Mann

>>15318858

Chris Marker

>>15315887
What are some Robert Bresson films I should definately watch?

>>15315428
>Susan Sontag
giga pseud

>>15315771
faggot

>>15317304
Magnússon?

>>15318858
>>15318900
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>>15319230
>No Resnais
MY first watching of Last Year at Marienbad is a high I've been chasing for years. Such a good film

>>15319249
A man escaped is probably a good place to start.
>>15319256
>2020
>Still hating women just because they are women
>>15319343
No, and you do realize that no one in Iceland would call someone by their patronymic last name.

>>15319516
>the only reason to hate Sontag is because she's a woman
le cancer of the human race face

>>15319516
k, thx.
It's really funny that another youtuber I watch talked about "A man escaped" a week ago.

>>15319532
At least try to look informed when posting here.
Give that quote the full context in deserves:

"If America is the culmination of Western white civilization, as everyone from the Left to the Right declares, then there must be something terribly wrong with Western white civilization. This is a painful truth; few of us want to go that far.... The truth is that Mozart, Pascal, Boolean algebra, Shakespeare, parliamentary government, baroque churches, Newton, the emancipation of women, Kant, Marx, Balanchine ballets, et al, don't redeem what this particular civilization has wrought upon the world. The white race is the cancer of human history; it is the white race and it alone—its ideologies and inventions—which eradicates autonomous civilizations wherever it spreads, which has upset the ecological balance of the planet, which now threatens the very existence of life itself."

Because although she mentions the white race in your quote lacking context, it is obvious that when the quote is read in context that she is mostly talking about America as the culmination of western ideals, and how that is a bad thing.

If that is not good enough for you, then she later retracted that line because she regretted it:

"She said and did her own share of foolish things during the 1960s, later retracting her notorious remark about the white “race” being a “cancer” by saying that it slandered cancer patients."

at least try anon, plz

>>15319589
No problem. Have fun watching.

>>15318858
Pasolini

bumpilinni for fellini

>>15320265
fuck man 8 1/2 is so good
>the water scene
pure /lit/-kino