/lit/ - Literature

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>>15290373
I think that is way too broad a category for a chart

I like this thread for encouraging new charts. Unfortunately i have no ocs yet, so have a bump.

If anyone has recommendations for getting into romantic and modernist poetry, I could build a chart for it (trying to solicit my own to-read stack here)

>>15290424
yeh maybe, but I only really decided to make these because I like the idea of being able to go like oh I wonder what was going on in 1929 and choosing a couple books from there

>>15290373
Is there any website to build a book chart?
The ones I've sen are only for music albums and films

>>15290972
idk I've just been doing it on photoshop

also here's wot I've got so far from 25-49, so let me know of any big omissions I've made

>>15291852
difficult because most editions (ficciones, labyrinths) contain material from after this period but borges should be there.

>>15292104
I've got the aleph on the list I just haven't got round to 1949 yet. And I've got ficciones down as 1956 cause that's when the last stories were added

>>15291852
Not really big omissions, but seeing Dos Passos is there, maybe some burgerland can be added. I.e. Sister Carrie by Dreiser, Main Street by Lewis and The Jungle by Sinclair.

>>15292155
aleph was republished in '52 with new stories

maybe some ee cummings,
enormous room could go on the first chart

I don't know how 'notable' or 'essential' it is but there is a lot of good late mark twain in early 20th century

I never know how to count compilations, my bookshelf is sorted by date. I used to count a compilation as the last addition of material, which is fine for a "Faulkner vol. 2 1936-1939" but with borges and whitman for example, there are many decades between first publication and final editions, it's frustrating to see borges next to the bell jar and leaves of grass after mark twain

>>15290373
i appreciate you anon

>>15293119
I appreciate you too anon

>>15292434
>>15292507
thanks lads, and with Twain which ones in particular, I'm not too familiar with his work other than having Huck Finn battered into my head in school like a year ago.

>>15293434
>>15293119
I appreciate you appreciating each other.

>>15290373
i love chart threads
this looks good, thanks anon

>>15290413
opening this up made me coom in my pants.
holy shit lad, this is seriously impressive

>>15290373

>>15290373
I updated this based on feedback from the thread I made, unfortunately there was some autist ranting about Murakami and how much he hated Korea in it.

I miss you, picturebookfag anon.

>>15291852
Add An American Tragedy by Theodore Dreiser

loving these threads. Haven't read a lot of books but looking at these charts just makes me excited to dive more into the medium.
>>15293921
this is so fucking based. shouwa genroku is missing tho

>>15294338
i just saved it from here, but i can strongly recommend Bartender, Mononoke, Haibane Renmei, Hyouka, Wicked City and Serial Experiments Lain from the anime side so far.

>>15294203
>no Animalia or Eleventh Hour
baka

>>15290373

>>15291852
you're missing I, Claudius by Robert Graves

How do I make chart?

>>15294858
www.neverendingchartrendering.org

>>15294338
chart is several years old, probably needs an update

>>15293956
>mouchette
>lumped in with all that nihilistic blood sport
Mouchette is serene Catholic tragedy, does not belong

Made this not too long ago

>>15293961
bad chart, this is for the stemfag md

>>15295072
is that title meant to disparage the books or are these just honestly which books you think would be best for a teenage boy to read. if its the latter then why?

>>15290476
Romantic: Wordsworth, Coleridge, Shelley, Keats,

Modernists: Eliot, Pound, Yeats

>>15295149
They're mostly books I either read as a teenager and really enjoyed or books I've read since then I thought I would have appreciated more as a teenager.

>>15294858
i just realized that site doesnt do book covers.
you have to upload them on another image hosting site and drag them to that tab and put them in an empty spot

>>15290373

>>15295367
thanks anon i remember u post this in my thread, which works and writers are most required before taking on ur chart

>>15290476

What about Gothic fiction and Persian mythology?

Would anyone be interested in a webapp that makes these kinds of charts? (with a search function so you don't have to upload the book covers)

>>15295486
yes. i remember you asking this question on this board a few months ago. still working on it?

>>15295486
yes. give some customization options so they don't b become visually homogenous though

>>15295072
most teenagers are too incompetent to read the republic

>>15295830
I'm 19 and currently reading it. Pretty accessible and fun read.

>>15295847
congratulations on not rotting your brain with tiktoks and fortnite

>>15293995
Han Sorya isn't there

>>15291852
anyone read Musashi? any good?

>>15290373

>>15295830
>>15295865

in general, the older people get, the worse readers they become. Your post is a perfect example. Whereas a teenager can actually have a pure, sincere engagement with a book like the republic because they have not yet become hardheaded adults, the average 25-year old with a bachelor's degree will worry about questions like
>What should I read before this?
>What is the historical context of this book?
>What do I need to know in order to read this?
>What were the motivations of the author?
>What are the conventional interpretations of this book?
>Which translation should I read?
>What will reading this do for me?
>Am I ready to read this book?
>What should I read after this?

The Republic is a great example. One of the greatest books ever written, and it mostly falls on completely deaf ears because of the "context" that is assigned to the book by high school teachers, community college and government university professors, and the reading hobbyist public.

The garbage that is peddled about "Platonic Irony", and the account that is given of the city-soul metaphor absolutely cripple most readers. Along with all the other phrases you will read about Plato in a McGraw-Hill Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Pearson textbook.

This post clearly expresses the disposition of the stem-shit IEP reader:

>too incompetent to read the republic

These people believe that reading is a technical skill, 'competent' in the way that drain pipe technician is 'competent', and that this depends on that and so on.

>>15295963
Brainlet

>>15295847
an actual based zoomer?
i never thought id see the day

>>15295963
>Whereas a teenager can actually have a pure, sincere engagement with a book
those dummies are too busy fortnite dancing on twitch and wondering if they can use the pages of the book to roll up a doobie and fuck it

>>15295847

You should really read Plato's other dialogues like Euthyphro and The Symposium. The Republic is overrated, and representative of only a very specific period of Plato's thought on a very particular subject matter. I wish it was reccomended less, especially to new(er) readers of Plato.

>>15295992
and not even a pure doobie of some heady chiba but they sprinkle in some research chemicals and then join a tranny harem on discord

>>15296012
I'll get on that. while we're at it, what are the other foundational texts you think I should read (aside from the very well-known and oft-recommended ones)?

>>15295938
Yes, it's very good, pretty typical journey of a gifted young swordsman as he travels around getting into trouble, learning from various masters, taking on apprentices and dealing with love and family and his rival. Solid read

>>15296030

Well, it really depends on your personal goals.

If you want to learn more about philosophy, in addition to those two Platonic dialogues I mentioned, you might want to check out the Nicomachean Ethics by Aristotle. It's a really fascinating, good entry-level text to begin contending with Aristotle's thought. Though, I'd recommend having at least a few Platonic dialogues under your belt before you start diving into Aristotle.

In terms of literature, there are so, so many options. The hardest part is picking one text and truly focusing on reading the entire text carefully.

It is very well known, I know, but in my view one of the most essential foundational texts is the Old Testament (start with smaller, more digestible books like Judah, go on to Exodus, and you really must read Job.) I highly recommend the New Revised Standard Version. Many, many people will try to force the King James Version down your throat, but in my view, it's completely illogical to read such a poorly inaccurate, outdated, and often dreadfully longwinded, arcane translation. The New Revised Standard Version is the result of modern scholarship, is far more accurate in terms of getting across the intent of the original Hebrew, and I find the prose to be clear, beautiful, and well-constructed.

Some of my personal favorite, which I think rank among the essential works of literature include: the Theogony by Hesiod, Othello by Shakespeare, The Canterbury Tales by Chaucer, the Complete Stories of John Cheever, the Complete Stories of Flannery O'Connor, Don Quixote, A Confederacy of Dunces, and the Cosmicomics by Italo Calvino.

>>15296130

I meant the book of Jonah, not Judah.

>>15295703
I'm not that anon, this is the first time I've asked this question here. I've been playing around with the gbooks api and figured this might an interesting application.

>>15295705
Well the MVP will probably just be a bunch of thumbnails on a white background with a title at the top. I can add more customization and features with feedback though. I'll start working on it and post here when I have the MVP

>>15296012
exactly as I described here
>>15295963

The midwit is obsessed with establishing the conventional narrative of 'context' and 'prerequisites' of a book for would-be readers. The disease, which is hatred of the human mind, desires to spread itself to all who are youthful in mind and independent in thought.

Here is one of the most typical faulty messages of that narrative:

>The Republic is overrated, and representative of only a very specific period of Plato's thought on a very particular subject matter.

We have inherited from medieval scholarship a chronology of Plato's works that is total nonsense. At best, the typical chronology provided (early, middle, late) represent the conventional view at any given time of the difficulty of dialogues. At worst, it is random.

It is radically self-evident that the Republic is not a discussion of a very particular subject matter but of something universal.

Olympiodorus:
>When he [Plato] was about to die, he saw in a dream that he had become a swan and was going from tree to tree, and in this manner he caused the greatest trouble for the bird-catchers [τοῖς ἰξευταῖς]. Simmias the Socratic judged that Plato would elude those after him who wished to interpret him. For the interpreters who attempt to hunt out what the ancients had in mind are similar to bird-catchers, but Plato is elusive because it is possible to hear and understand his words in many ways, both physically, and ethically, and theologically, and literally, just like those of Homer as well.

Read the dialogues in whatever order you like. None are more difficult than others, none are easier. None are earlier and none are later. None require information provided in other dialogues. None of them are overrated and none of them are underrated. They are all poorly understood by most. Each dialogue, like every great work of literature and philosophy, is an endeavor equally accessible to all men. It's questions and discussions are universal and timeless; they are not proposition 612a.ii of Mathematically Crafted Scheme of the World 400 BC edition. At the same time, the endeavor presented in each dialogue is one of an endless difficulty (and reward, if pursued) and the dialogues are all deeply connected. All that read the Euthyphro seriously will be thinking about it and the questions it poses for the rest of their lives. Only the simple-of-mind and black-at-heart think it is a simple introductory dialogue of any less depth and seriousness than The Republic or Laws. The same with all the others.

>>15295099
good chart.

>>15294944
that's only for albums and movies

>>15296303

Someone drank his big brain juice this morning.

All I was trying to do was give a young reader other suggestions besides The Republic, and basically to remind him that it is not the only, or “most important” Platonic dialogue.

But damn, I get it, you’re enlightened man. I hope there’s room for the rest of us in this thread with your colossal brain taking up all that space.

>>15296303
>”It’s questions and discussions...”

Yikes

>>15296803
Tanks for catching that!

>>15295933
it wasn't supposed to be a "redpill me on fascist literature" chart because there's literally millions of those

>>15290972
>The ones I've sen are only for music albums and films
Mind dropping links for these? I'm a web developer working on some tools related to sharing book recommendations and I'd like to be able to support making charts. It would help to see these album/film chart maker tools.

>>15295830
I read it when I was 16. When I re-read it at 20 in university I realized I had 100% comprehension the first time around. It's not a difficult book.

>>15297499
aristotle had maybe 5% comprehension

you are a retard

>>15297398
Here you go: www.neverendingchartrendering.org

>>15293921
Good list but none of the sites work anymore

>>15290373
>no kristin lavransdattar

>>15296303
>None are more difficult than others, none are easier.
Extremely shit take
Crato, Ion, Menexenus etc. are easier tjan Parmenidew, Sophist and a few others
You cannot dispute this

>>15290373
>1915 The 39 Steps by John Buchan
>1915 Of Human Bondage by W Somerset Maugham

>>15291852
>1930 Proust by Beckett (this is an essay so not sure if it counts)
>1930 The Good Soldier Svejk (this could count as 1923 also but it wasn't published in english until 1930)
>1934 Despair by Nabokov
>1937 The Hobbit by Tolkien
>1939 The Big Sleep by Raymond Chandler
>1940 The Power and the Glory by Graham Greene
>1942 l'etranger by Camus
>1944 The Razor's Edge by Maugham
>1948 No Longer Human by Dazai
>1948 Snow Country by Kawabata

I am not sure if you're trying to keep it at one work per author but if not then Tender is the Night (1934) is essential

>>15290476
I feel like, with poetry we are pretty much limited to our native languages.
I can read in english, some things in russian, and in Serbian.
There is a poet that I would like to promote. Momcilo Nastasijevic, 100 poems or so - imo the finest in the serbian language but cant really ve translated. Simmilar to Malarme perhaps

>>15298666
What is a take?
Why can't I dispute that?

>>15298697
Thanks a lot mate, I've got most of these on the list but just haven't got around to putting them on the chart yet, but thank you very much for giving me a few that I'd overlooked. And I was going to put Becketts Proust on until I found out how hard it is to get a physical copy and since I mainly making these for myself I decided against it

>>15297075
people need to stop using the word schizophrenia where it isn't warranted

>>15290373
Beginner's Ecotheology- the chart

>>15300081
what in the world is /liberty/

>>15300135
try going to a chan other than 4 retard

>>15300207
But qizard and 8ch are fucking slow

What can I read to boost my urge to be more competitive?

>>15300672
Malcolm X is spinning in his grave. For shame, anon.

>>15296755
technically true, but you can drag images into the window and place them in blank spots.
in the post you responded to, none of those albums are real. and pic related i made using the drag and drop method.
you just need to find pictures of the covers and add them manually.
its not as easy as music/movies, but still possible.

is there a site that /lit/ uses for their charts? im more of a casual browser of this board

>>15297075
IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOWN
TUMBLING DOOOOOOWWNNN

>>15298635
kissanime.ru has been treating me nicely lately

>>15290413
is this your mega folder?

>>15294191

>>15300141

>Pentti Linkola on the economic right

lmao

>>15301442
Thank you

>>15300712
>start with his 3 worst
but those 3 at the end, ones that you should read if you know you like mccarthy

>>15295072
Got anymore books you would recommend for young men/boys

>>15300723
excellent chart, way more extensive than the version i had saved

>>15301945
i recently finished Child of God and ive gotta say, it wasnt very good. it just felt like nothing much happened. the way he writes in dialect is cool, but i was expecting so much more from the praise id seen it get here and elsewhere.

>>15302193
yeah Child of God isn't very representative of what people like McCarthy for
Suttree then Blood Meridian is the best order
If you like them THEN start to read the rest, I really like The Sunset Limited but wouldn't rec it to most

>>15302222
ive read No Country and The Road before so i figured i knew what i was getting into, but i was mildly disappointed. i didnt hate it but it was just kind of uneventful.

and ive started Blood Meridian twice but got hung up on the spanish and just kind of lost focus and gave up.
im gonna try it again because i just found a pdf with translations of all the spanish bits.
and i plan to read Suttree eventually, its been on my list for a long time.

>>15300774
I can hardly read some of these titles. do you havea a bigger version?

>>15301467
Yes

>>15303081
The Stranger is an argument against nihilism

>>15302841
first off, wow, damn impressive collection you've got going on. ill be going through it for years to come.

but also you should add pic related for found footage.
the one that's in TV & Movies> Movie> Themed was a chart i made called "haha i liked all these movies haha" and they were examples of movies that most people didnt like except for me, more of a mockery of my own personal taste than an actual chart.
the big september chart is a good representative of the genre though.

>>15300712
Stop posting this shit chart, chronological reading order makes no sense

>>15303302
Thanks

>>15303538
you rock

>>15290413
i coomed, people like you deserve a statue.