/lit/ - Literature

>>15283730
Heraclitus solved philosophy, so you can skip all other philosophers

Nigger you have to read all of the canon philosophers or otherwise be a pseud for life.

>>15283730
Yeah.
Aristotle is the example of "boring but important author".

Sometimes he steps out of character, like once every 10,000 phrases, and can be pretty fun too.

>>15283742
>CLITus
lol

>It's boring!
Shut the fuck up millennial. If you're actually serious about philosophy or learning about the Greeks then he is required reading. Otherwise you might as well stop while you're ahead.

>>15284215
>CLETus

lol american white trash nigger retard :DD

>>15283730
this guy is useless
I can't think of one great idea this man ever had
mostly outdated shit

>>15283929
Those were probably edits from manuscript copiers a thousand years later. Shitposting is an ancient tradition.

>>15285247
He has great ideas BECAUSE said ideas are as you put it "outdated shit" thus hinting at a utilitarian purpose for the relevant period of time they were formed.

>>15285265
>utilitarianism
yikes

>>15285275
I used utilitarian for the literal definition of being useful and practical for the frames of reference it created, not the ideology of utilitarianism you fucking pseud.

>>15285265
its a shame that his works survived and Heraclitus, Democritus, Chryssipus didn't

>>15285290
>philosophy is supposed to be useful and practical
yikes

>>15285318
It's almost as if Diogenes decried Plato as wishing to destroy the writings of philosophers that came before him

>>15285319
I never even implied that was the case. If you refer to something as "outdated", that explicitly implies uselessness and/or redundancy.

>>15285150
Not an excuse for being boring. Plato is more important than Aristotle, and yet he was a wonderful storyteller.

>>15285247
he invented formal logic

>>15285358
Aristotle was a different kind of brilliant to Plato.

>>15285344
you implied that his ideas are valuable insofar that they were once useful and practical without contesting the claim that they are now outdated and contain no universal, timeless truth

>>15285247
>Father of formal logic
>Codified rhetoric
>Father of empiricism
>One of the first physicists (even if most of his work was wrong)
>The first linguist
>Father of biology
>Made significant contributions to astronomy
He was one of the most practical philosophers in all of history

>>15285408

>>15285371
Readability should always be your primary concern when writing something. Aristotle writes like a technical writer and he only seems brilliant because he refuted all of the crazy shit Plato wrote.

>>15285408
that sounds really cringe

Alright niggers what do you say are Aristotle's required readings? Right now Im reading Plato's Republic and after that I'm going to read the Nicomachean Ethics. Any other work I should look up into?

>>15286795
metaphysics

>>15285247
>>15283730
fucking brainlets
you're the reason philosophy went to shit

>>15286843
lmao Aristotle is like muh science guy from antiquity, he ruined philosophy himself

>>15283730
>>15283908
>>15285247

>t. consoomer brain

He did not write his Meditations for you to consoom, idiot. Go read 12 Rules for Life

>>15283730
No
skip to Kant like me

>>15285397
Its the journey not the destinatipn

>>15285408
also father of aesthetics

>>15285460
Why has nobody in this thread mentioned that these are not Aristotle's finished manuscripts? Most of his works are unfinished lecture notes, ambiguously credited to him or a bunch of fragmented works slapped together (see Metaphysics). We don't actually have a single work from Aristotle that he prepared for the public and put together.

>>15288530
His lecture notes are written systematically enough that they are perfectly intelligible so who cares

>>15288546
I care. Aristotle's writing was praised for being more enjoyable than Plato's.

>>15288553
So where are they, why weren't they preserved?

>>15288602
IT ALL WENT TO SHIT

>>15288546
I'm just bringing it up because OP keeps complaining that Aristotle is boring. My point is that OP isn't reading Aristotle, and if he is somehow reading non-lecture notes taken by a student he is reading something that Aristotle never intended for the broader public to have access to.

Nicomachean ethics, metaphysics, organon
Is this a good approach for beginners? I don't want to go through literally everything he wrote

>>15285275
>>15285319
>>15285429
>>15285687
I am a zoomer too but I will slaughter your shit Colin, go play fortnite

>>15288530
this is true, but there is a strangely prophetic fragment of one of his early dialogues where he speaks about trying to reconstruct the philosophical system of a early Greek philosopher who left no complete works.
How did he know bros?
>>15288917
OP is clearly trolling though, he could have found some kind of commentary of summation of Aristotle's work if he wanted to at least understand the system behind Aristotle's thinking.
The idea of criticizing a philosopher for being 'boring' seems to like complaining that tin can press is too loud... it still makes the fucking cans doesn't it?
>>15288602
Copying manuscripts takes time and expertise, and that's expensive.
Short answer: cheapskates

>>15289023
Definitely start with nichomachean, metaphysics might be a bit much but if you like his ethics his politics is more of that.

>>15289482
Isn't his "Metaphysics" a pretty important work?

>>15283742

>errthins becurmin, y'all

>>15286958
>aristotle
>meditations

>>15290044
Yes but it is quite difficult. You should look at tackling the Physics and De Anima first, which will open up the Metaphysics for you. Categories, On Interpretation are essential groundwork for Aristotelian philosophy. The two Analytics are great for further study of his logic but you can easily just read a shorter commentary (such as Al-Farabi's) or secondary work. I'd approach it like this:
>Categories
>Porphyry's Commentary on Categories
>De Interpretatione
>Prior Analytic
>Al-Farabi's Commentary on Prior Analytics
>Physics
>De Anima
>De Sensu
>Metaphysica
>Commentaries on Metaphysics and De Anima can be useful (Simplicius, Aquinas, Averroes etc...)
>Nichomachean Ethics
>Politics
>Poetics

>>15290207
>Physics
Isn't Aristotle's "Physics" outdated as hell? How can it help me grasp "Metaphysics" anyways?

>>15290271
The Physics does indeed have some outdated physical science. But it also has key insights into pre-socratic physical philosophy as well Aristotle's own setup for the Metaphysics. Also there are a lot of important bits in the Physics about space/time, Being, chance/necessity, the infinite, unity and movement. Studying Aristotle's physics will help you a lot, not only with his Metaphysics but also with reading early modern philosophy like Kant or Spinoza.

>>15290297
Huh, I never looked at it that way. I thought of reading some commentary of Metaphysics alongside the work itself. I'll think about your suggestions, I want to go through only the essential stuff, then I can work out the details after I'm finished (I have a long way to go, I'm still at Plato)

>>15290297
Aristotle physics can unironically be used even today

>>15283730
You just got filtered.

bumo

>>15283730
>required
For you? Probably not.