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>>15233737
Stop trying to apply modern concepts and terminology to the Straight Path of Allah (swt)

>prohibition of interest
oy vey, its anudda shoah

A reminder that Islam is only accessible for the deluded

>>15233753
t. arrogant kaafir
The Qur’an is both a reminder and a warning, I suggest you read it.

>>15233769
The Quran is blasphemous. Disprove all of pic related (you cant).
Mahomet was a warlord, pedophile and stupid illiterate who thought Mary as a part of the Trinity. Tell me: how can a religion which preaches peace be a religion founded on bloodshed?
Gibbon spoke well when he said: 'in his private conduct, Mahomet indulged the appetites of a man, and abused the claims of a prophet. A special revelation dispensed him from the laws which he had imposed on his nation: the female sex, without reserve, was abandoned to his desires; and this singular prerogative excited the envy, rather than the scandal, the veneration, rather than the envy, of the devout Mussulmans.'

>>15233878
>Mahomet was a warlord, pedophile and stupid illiterate

>>15233737
Maybe in Adam Smith's conception of Capitalism since the Sharia bans usury.

>>15233894
Your reply bids aknowledgement of your own defeat.

>>15233878
>violence bad

>>15233944
Yet you believe Solomon was a pagan, allied with child murderers and worse.

Also theres no prohibition on the number of cohabiting with Women in one's care. The prohibition is only how many you can marry.

"But let them who find not marriage abstain until Allah enriches them from His bounty. And those who seek a contract from among whom your right hands possess - then make a contract with them if you know there is within them goodness and give them from the wealth of Allah which He has given you. And do not compel your slave girls to prostitution, if they desire chastity, to seek the temporary interests of worldly life. And if someone should compel them, then indeed, Allah is [to them], after their compulsion, Forgiving and Merciful."

>>15234106
What the fuck are you talking about? This argument has literally zero substance -what are you trying to say?
>Yet you believe Solomon was a pagan
What?

Economics that were developed during the eras when the main religions were created are incompatible with modern classifications such as capitalism and socialism because they literally fall outside of them and can not exist within them

>>15233878
better get rid of all the old testament prophets too then. especially solomon, he had like 700 wives, what a degenerate amirite?

>>15233737
It’s a mix of socialism and capitalism. It’s hard to explain in terms of secular terms because of how much God is woven into the system. Let me give you an example:

One of the main tenants is risk sharing. What this means is that loaning out to someone (without) or making a purchase without being completely sure you can be profitable off of it. There is not safety net in other words. The solution to this is divinely inspired: put your faith in God. You can’t explain this secularly....

It’s also justified like this: say you did 1-5 transactions and 3 of their were loss but 2 of them were profiting. You can never get a lot of profits or losses because other people don’t have safety nets either.

The conclusion is give God complete control to circulate the economic system. It’s hard to explain in secular terms other than substituting God for nature or luck.

>>15234465
You cant mix socialism and capitalism lel. What you mean is capitalism with protectionism and social security

>le socialism is when the government does stuff

>>15233737
You missed out on principle 11 - The right to BE property

>>15233737
Neither. Its mercantile. Fucking shit brained nigger

>>15234451
The difference being that he was punished. Indeed, didnt David take a wife in a more than immoral way? Yet he repented.
Difference being, they were humbled by their sins, and we acknowledge their sins as lessons to NOT do. Yet you look up to Mahomet as the greatest man to ever live. Solomon wasnt, David wasnt, Jonah wasnt, etc.
You follow the teachings of a barbarian

>>15234742
He should have let the women starve to death instead of marrying them, while his people were being famished and boycotted? (Women earned money through children so it was necessary) Especially when Jews have a mandate to kill anyone that converts from their religion

>Is Islamic Economics capitalist or socialist?
>Principle of Islamic Economic System
>1. money as potential capital

>>15234742
its fucking funny watching the mental gymnastics from christards justifying the old testament.
Moses was a warlord who slaughtered pagans. David was a warlord. Solomon had 700 wives. Jews cut off their penises. Its literally the same criticisms made against Islam.
Muhummad repented for many things he did in his life, but let me guess, iT dOsEnT cOuNt wHeN hE dOeS iT, amirite?

Muhammad raped a 9 year old child.

>>15233737
prohibition of interest stunts economic growth. IT is one of the reasons the west took the lead over the rest of the world. Ursury laws retarded the middle east

>>15236032
It is also why the jews are leading in finance, they wherent prohibited bu ursury laws and got a head start at banking

>>15233737
It's archaic rules created for desert merchants with no reference to modern society.

>>15234507
>What you mean is capitalism with protectionism and social security
Islam doesn't deal with macroshit but believes in private charity. Muslim brotherhood dismantles state services and tells the poor religious institutions will help them. Same as American fundies.

>>15236055
Jews didn't invent shit, it was the Italians (pseudo-Jews) who invented double-entry and perfected modern banking. Stop reading Sombart.

What do Muslims think about the Austrian school?

>>15236138
What do Christians? That's an odd question since there's no "consensus".

>>15236150
I'm interested in opinions. Are there any Muslim authors who wrote about this?

>>15236157
Probably? Like I said what about Christians? You have protestant fundies like Gary North who mix Austrianism with biblical justifications (while ignoring inconvenient parts) but than you have stuff like liberation theology and such on the left.
Just like with Rothbards revisionist take on economic history where he tries to present Catholic corporatists as liberals surely some Muslim could write a crazy revisionist history of the development of Muslim economic thought.
The Muslim brotherhood types try pushing the same shit as Christian fundies do e.g. borrowing the same anti-Darwinist arguments and such, so they've probably been doing similar things in the "social sciences" generally.

>>15236032
>not muh economic growtherinos!

>>15236055
Jews don't lend to lend each with interest. They only do it against non-Jews. If anything, Jews agree with Islam that usury is financial slavery otherwise they would have lent to themselves with interest.

>>15236110
Christianity forbid usury. Interest was also forbidden in Judaism, but Jews twisted that and said it only means no interest against other Jews.

http://ejournal.ukm.my/ebangi/article/view/11079


Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, in reality, all agree that usury is terrible against the person who borrows money(Otherwise, Jews would have lent to each other with interest). Unfortunate, the whole world is built on the system of interest and nonsensical time-based profit.

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>>15236235
Also now that I remember a little ISIS was explicating including Ron Paul in their propaganda and the first thing they did was tried to reimpose a gold standard over their subjects

https://www.businessinsider.com/isis-is-going-to-the-gold-standard-2014-11?pundits_only=0&get_all_comments=1&no_reply_filter=1

>>15236261
Appropriate Talmudic scholarship makes it kosher for Jews to Jew Jews

>>15236282
No, Jews never lend to each other with interest

>>15236289
>Jews never lend to each other with interest
Except that's easily proven empirically false

>>15236299
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Jews are forbidden from usury in dealing with fellow Jews, thus lending is to be considered tzedakah, or charity. However, there are permissions to charge interest on loans to non-Jews.

This is from a rabbi

>>15236306
Like I said, you can find counterarguments. The entire history of Jewish history has been an overintellectualized argument on the most mundane shit to more serious Jewry.

>>15236323
It's practiced through own religious laws.

https://torah.org/torah-portion/olas-shabbos-5764-behar/

>>15236332
Maybe you should look at the actual law books of the state of Israel instead of what one Rabbi says.

>>15236341
Show me a rabbi who says its fine to lends to Jews with interest or says you shouldn't charge interest against non-jews

can't you all just fuck off?

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>>15236351
And this, anons, is what pilpul does to the goyim’s minds

>>15236393
Are you actually going to answer>>15236351
me and continue our discussion. or what?

>>15236351
Find me a successful Jewish financier who didn't provide loans at interest to other Jews. Like I said Jewish law has been totally self-serving and finding ways to rationalize and get around itself throughout history. Any serious study comes to that.

>>15236438
You didn't answer my question. Show me ONE rabbi who says its fine to lends to Jews with interest or says you shouldn't charge interest against non-jews, Just ONE.

If its so flexible and based on evolving as you say, it has to be one rabbi among them.

I don't know why third position hasn't been mentioned yet. Most Islamic countries, especially Ba'ath states are closer to fascism than either socialism or capitalism.

>>15236261
>Jews don't lend to lend each with interest.
you've never been to israel have you anon?
there are banks there, ya know. who issue credit cards and loans and stuff. with interest

>>15236465
Against non-Jews

>>15233878
>people do bad things but serve their god
>said god must be wrong

I’m no Muslim but even you can’t think these are actually good arguments

>>15236473
who do you think an israeli bank's customers are, anon?

>>15236458
I'm not an expert on Jewish law, like I said Jews DO it empirically and that's all that matters. You can try to search more

https://www.jlaw.com/Articles/ribis1.html

>>15236548
Except that is like modern day Islamic Banking.