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Ask some apes who have been resuscitated?

>>15207415
have ape-sex

>>15207415
All refuted by Marx and Engels.

Literally no one knows what happens

>>15207425
Did you know that small number of male apes got large number of of female apes? They were born stronger, bigger. They have power and access to resources. Most apes in history do not reproduce.

>>15207415
Some form of reincarnation is most likely, with the possibility of being reincarnated into a heaven or hell world for a long time, although not for eternity. its attested to in pretty much every religion in existence, even the Abrahamic religions have traces of it. The whole "burn for eternity meme" in the Gospel and Quran are probably just poetic truths, you could go to hell for hundreds of thousands of years until you have payed off your karmic debts, but not for eternity

>>15207438
Religions say a lot of shit, and just because they do it doesn't mean it's true. Do ants and rats go to heaven as well? How are you any different from an ant?

>>15207460
I think he is saying more a common theme could lead to some truth, in addition to some past life memory stuff.

>>15207460
Your soul is only inhabiting the body, its the soul that enters another body.

You might say its a load of shit, if it was just one or two religious traditions that talked about this. But when its all of them?

>>15207438
>most likely
show me your math real quick

>>15207490
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson

>>15207468
>But when its all of them?
When it's all of them they probably have the same ancestor religion or the narrative is derived from general human experience (for example the experience of the mid body duality).

>>15207464
>>15207468
Maybe it's got to do with some collective unconscious. Just because many people say something is true doesn't mean that it is. In fact you can look at religion as almost childish. I do. Look at Christianity. Good and evil, Satan, god, heaven hell. It's childish. The world itself doesn't even represent it. It's a fundamental human flaw to say that something is good or bad, humans are not good at seeing the morally grey shades of grey of the world. That's my perspective on it.

>>15207490
All religious/pagan traditions attest to either reincarnation, or heaven/hell or both, and its usually both.


>>15207499
(picrelated)
Almost like some primal tradition, possibly practiced in Atlantis before the great flood perhaps???
And was fragmented into the various religious traditions we see today at the beginning of the Kali Yuga?

>>15207494
I won't read all of that, how did he actually calculate the probability of reincarnation?

>>15207512
Which really says nothing about the likelihood of reincarnation.

>>15207415
>implying Closed Individualism is true

>>15207520
He doesn't crunch numbers but when you got a Christian kid in 1970s England having nightmares about concentration camps and refusing to eat non-kosher food, wtf you think is happening?

>>15207520
Do you have any other theory about how the flood story and beliefs about the afterlife managed to make their way into almost every religious tradition in existance?

Shit on Guenon all you want, I have yet to see a better theory than the Atlantean primal tradition hypothesis

>>15207505
In philosophy, professor asks me about the concept of evil, put on the spot, start panicking but remember a certain quote from Witcher
"Evil is Evil. Lesser, greater, middling… Makes no difference. The degreee is arbitary. The definition’s blurred. If I’m to choose between one evil and another… I’d rather not choose at all"
Professor looks stunned, class gives me a round of applause

>>15207460
It's all just energy man. Yes, ants go to ant heaven of they're good ants, and are then reborn as a better ant.

>>15207532
Lies and researcher effects.

>>15207534
Global warming.

I don't know bros I mean something is fishy about existence. When you calculate the probability of it, me existing is something like 1 in a few trillion. The sequence of events that had to lead to it, needed to be just right.

>>15207538
lmao

>>15207548
How do you know they lied?

>>15207558
Because if a kid who supposedly never heard of jews or the holocaust behaves like that, someone is lying, be it they, their parents, their grandparents, their friends, some other kind of caretaker, the researcher himself, probably all of them because they absolutely love the story. Most likely is that the kid had weird nightmares, parents got it into their head that he was a hologhost and started suggestively asking him if he really wanted to eat this or that. Children are puppets of their parents subtle influences.

>>15207545
>ants go to ant heaven of they're good ants, and are then reborn as a better ant.
What if I don't want to be an ant anymore? You know, being an ant isn't easy

>>15207572
I agree with you that it is anecdotal and not evidence, but when you say people just lie about something for gain, the floor can become slippery

>>15207595
You anty ant soul doesn't know better or you go up/down the soul pole.

>>15207505
>Just because many people say something is true doesn't mean that it is.
I agree, but thats one point of view help by one viewpoint, echoed through millions. Also am Christcuck so I can say that.

>>15207415
Can there be a materialist explanation for reincarnation? Or are they mutually exclusive?

>>15207626
Because, again, the need for a higher power might be some sort of universal human trait to cope with mortality. I mean, who's to say that Odin and Zeus are any less real than the Christian god? Somebody should do an experiment where a child is raised in some sort of isolation with no exposure to religion, then see if that child makes up their own religion over time as they age.

>>15207638
To me atleast Odin Zeus are higher beings to us like we are to monkeys or other chimp like things. I view God outside of some personal spirtual experiances as a non personal foce of nature, more natural theology. I do get what you are saying though anon. Its also that Zeus and Odin are physical beings while the God I think of is more of an essence. I believe they have studied babies and they have an innate belief in the higher. Also I really do want to thank you for not calling me a faggot or nigger.

>>15207635
Materialism doesn't concern what happens outside the material world, if something happens outside of the material world.

>>15207415
Cow and chicken heaven.
God will allow their vengeance

you go to the ground

>>15207659
One would certainly hope that there's a chicken heaven, considering what we do to them

>>15207659
why are you always on 4chan /lit/? dont you have a life tr*nny?

>>15207658
I mean if my conscious perspective is only due to the mass making up my body, could i still experience that perspective from multiple conscious organisms? Or does that imply an “I” which is separate from the material world?

>>15207460
>How are you any different from an ant?
the absolute state of philosophical ignorance in this board

>>15207942
I'm not a regular on this board. How are you any different from an ant?

>>15207948
Ants don't have souls.

>>15208096
why ?

You will all go to hell for not believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

>>15208096
What's a soul? Is it quantifiable? Can it be tested experimentally? How do you know that ants don't have it?

>>15208218
Not just ants, but every insect and animal on this planet. It's impossible for them to have souls because they aren't even half as smart as us, they can't talk or imagine things, they are all the same and their brain is nothing special unlike ours.

>>15208324
Wrong, and cringe, on so many levels. Does intelligence = having a soul now? Because human brains are good at human things. Humans are good at being human, but you would be a terrible cat or alligator. If having a soul is measured by intelligence, do the mentally disabled not have souls? What's the cut off point? Nice philosophy there, chump.

Well, the most likely explanation is oblivion. Your consciousness dies along with the signals in your brain.

There could be souls/an afterlife, but there is no proof for that sort of thing, so it's just idle speculation anyway.

>>15208339
Kek, nice bait. Ok I'll play. Having a soul doesn't require being intelligent, just being a human. And humans are usually intelligent. Do the mentally disabled not have souls? Depends on how mentally disabled they are. I don't belive abortion is wrong and I don't belive fetuses have souls either, because they are yet to be human, so if someone is basically born without a brain (mentally retarded) yes he does not have a soul, having a soul requires being able to make choices, just as some people are born without a hand or a kidney, handicapped people are born without a brain. The cutoff point is knowing the difference beetween what's good and what's evil. And what's the bullshit about being a terrible cat? Where's the mystery in shitting in a sandbox and eating cat food and drinking milk?

>>15207415
>What is consciousness? Can I be destroyed?
No you're in hell

>>15207635
just wait for some scientist to cook up a theory of brain energy transference, no stranger than darwin's nonsense

>>15208516
which nonsense?

>>15207552
Well the only argument and reason for belief in God by everyone is existence itself, being here in the first place and to experience this is the biggest evidence that we were created by God.

>>15207415
>Hmmm. I wonder what will happen when I die. Will I go to heaven? Will I be reborn into a new ape?
There was never a continuous "I" in the first place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WKqO16mkGE

>What is consciousness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBbFuudKAic

>Can I be destroyed?
No

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uz6anwm47g
https://vitrifyher.com/2018/05/28/consciousness-is-forever/

>>15208503
>gets his stupid philosophy BTFO
>nice bait
Good and evil don't exist. I can voluntarily kill 5 people to save 100. Am I evil for doing so? There is no such thing. A cat will catch a bird better than you will. Therefore, you are stupid to the cat. Humans are good at human things. Cats are good at cat things. If you were dumped, naked, in the north pole. Your ass would die. A polar bear wouldn't. You also just said that the mentally disabled don't have souls. By your simplified, pretensions worldview, according to your philosophy you do not have a soul.

>>15208516
>I'm too stupid to understand a well accepted theory so it's nonsense

>>15208532
>existence proves god
Nah, that's not how the world works

>>15208560
i'm not watching your videos

>>15208560
>consensual fascism

My fucking sides omg

>>15208560
this guy is dead

>>15208631
Humans only advantage are the tools because of their intelligence, we can do anything infinite times better than any animals you dumbass, a cat is nothing. "you would make a retarded cat if you were one" ok autism

>>15207671
It would probably be even more crowded and disgusting up there