/lit/ - Literature

>>15200911
How?

>>15200911
Why?

>>15200911
when?

>>15200911
Weshalb?

>>15200911
The orthodox have a new schism, the protestants invent new heresies (or revive old ones) on a daily basis, and the catholic clergy is a dwindling collection of homos and octogenarians who have led the laypeople completely astray

Paul did have a good run but it’s not looking good atm

It's a shame this nigga never met jesus but hijacked the whole religion nontheless

>>15201120
you don't understand, his words and inspirations were that of the holy spirit.

>>15200911
He singlehandedly invented Christianity.

The true followers of Jesus are long gone

>>15201120
>>15201926
>hijacked the whole religion nontheless

He was bros with Saint Peter who was taught directly by Christ during his life on earth.

>>15201994
>I-I've seen it all in a vision t-trust me guys
Pathetic. This is why not even Muslims have any respect for you.

>>15202141
>Muslims
just a more judaic form of protestantism lol

>>15202141
Why would Christ allow Peter to get supposedly fooled by Paul if he wasn't an honest actor and chosen by Christ himself? It makes no sense that Christ would allow his teaching to get instantly corrupted.

>>15202141
>>I-I've seen it all in a vision t-trust me guys
Isnt this literally Muhammad's whole act?

>>15202492
This sums up all forms of abrahamism actually.
But the (((Saul of Tarsus))) one is strikingly obvious to the non-indoctrinated

>>15202141
>>15202808
imagine needing affirmation from muslims. they hate on st. paul because he proactively refuted them:

>But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

be respectful towards st. paul, he was a holy man

>>15202176
They weren't really in good terms as soon as Peter realized that Paul is consciously opposing the Mosaic law

Who would you trust? The one who totally saw Jesus in a vision or a guy who lived with Jesus and his brother James?

When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group.

The religion you follow is Paulinism, you don't follow Jesus himself.

>>15202859
>I totally saw it in a vision guyz trust me
>don't trust anyone else who sees it in a vision
Fucking pathetic

>>15202893
shouldn't you be shitposting on pol with your "pathetic / non-pathetic" dichotomy? is that how you judge reality? you are accusing paul of being a judaizer when he was against it

>Pathetic.
>This is why not even Muslims have any respect for you.
>Fucking pathetic

your age is showing, lad. go the fuck out to pol, lit is not for you

paul was the bad guy were were warned about

>Muslims
>atheists
>Bugmans
>Americans
>Onionsmans
Hm... I wonder why all of these degenerate groups seem to hate Paul with a passion...

>>15201994
>Bros with St Peter
Nag, he claimed he learnt everything about Jesus from a vision (lol) and then he publically argued with Peter (Galatians 2)

>>15203008
They are both in heaven right now, together and with Christ. Does it trigger you that people pray to them?

>>15200911
Yes, he is the "world" after Jesus.

Without him, Christianity wouldn't develop a method for living based on Jesus, he needed a translator to make sense.

>>15202968
>you are accusing paul of being a judaizer
Your low IQ is showing, I never claimed that.
I'm saying he's a crook. He usurped a messianic jewish movement and by distorting it he created what is today known as Christianity.

PATHETIC

>>15201145
This post was inspired by the holy spirit

>>15203000
I am a Scytho-Aryan Buddhist and I love him.
His works alone are enough to prove Christianity as false.

>>15203078
I can prove Christianity is true in one word
Love

>>15203087

>>15200911
A shit tier religion for retards? Sure I guess

>>15203040
His “method” is for brainlets, and it only serves the purpose of allowing Jesus’s teachings to survive long enough so that his true meanings could be decoded

>>15203087
I can prove you are retarded in one word

retard

>>15203087
Love is for the weak

>>15203078
why do you say so

>>15203078
>Buddhist
The Buddha was a misguided but virtuous Logoist pagan whose teaching got perverted by idolatrous degenerates. He converted to Christianity on his deathbead.

>>15203132
The "it was real in my mind" argument is extremely weak and he was rightly so criticised by those who have actually followed Jesus for distorting the message.
Jesus came for the Jews, he claimed to be their messiah. No amount of shapeshifting (Saul - Paul) and false claims of supposed revelations will change that.

>>15203122
>>15203116
Love plays the long game. Also im talking about self-love. Its the same as saying enlightenment

>>15203171
stop pulling things from ur ass youre not jesus

>>15203171
Jesus is a jewish Buddha figure.
He got a few things wrong tho, especially when he claimed to be God himself. Made many people falsely worship him instead of achieving gnosis the way he did.

>>15202163
Actualy gotta agree. At lest prots with their anal scripure reading took away most of the judaic rituals.

>>15203209
>he claimed to be their messiah
Yeah that's the point, the Messiah even in corrupted modern Judaist scripture is a King who will make the goyim submit to the One True God... We have records of missionaries in India since the earliest days of Christianity, not many Jews living there...

>>15203210
>im talking about self-love.
Body-positive "love yourself" feminist fatties confirmed for enlightened

>>15203238
>Messiah even in corrupted modern Judaist scripture is a King who will make the goyim submit to the One True God...
>dies on a cross
Next!

>>15203209
>''I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago – whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows – such a one was caught up to the third heaven''.
What about John's Revelation?

>distorting the message.
how did he distort it? Claiming that in Christ there are neither Jews nor Greeks? If He came for the Jews, who reject Him, for whom did He come? His hypostatic union is comprised of two natures: divinity and JEWISH humanity?

>>15203266
>>dies on a cross
And rises on the third day, trampling death by death.

>>15203360
Cope

>>15203368
>Cope

So people accuse Paul of distorting Christianity because he claimed Christ died for all men and not only Jews (who reject Him)?

>>15203241
Body positive is a form of self denial. You cant love yourself unless youre honest with yourself and work hard. You know its like you cant say “i love painting” but not work at it every day

>>15203380
Yes.

>>15200911
>never met Christ
>never even knew about Christianity until the day he suddenly started larping about it
>completely perverted the teachings of Jesus
'no'

>>15203417
so these people should reject the whole NT and get rid of all messianic prophecies in OT. anti-christians in this board are crypto-jews color me shocked,

>>15203541
>anti-christians in this board are crypto-jews
>No WE are the chosen people
>YHVH = God
>Hallelujah hallelujah praise Yehoshua ben Yoseph
>Gosh can't wait to see the new JERUSALEM
>All church fathers and almost all saints are jews
>probably circumcized
Yet you dare to call me a crypto-jew?
My poor sides. Absolutely PATHETIC

>Aside from Jesus, Paul of Tarsus and Philo of Alexandria were the greatest teachers of this era.
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121:7.7.Paul's cult of Christianity exhibited its morality as a Jewish birthmark. The Jews viewed history as the providence of God—Yahweh at work. The Greeks brought to the new teaching clearer concepts of the eternal life. Paul's doctrines were influenced in theology and philosophy not only by Jesus' teachings but also by Plato and Philo. In ethics he was inspired not only by Christ but also by the Stoics.

121:7.8.The gospel of Jesus, as it was embodied in Paul's cult of Antioch Christianity, became blended with the following teachings:
121:7.9.1. The philosophic reasoning of the Greek proselytes to Judaism, including some of their concepts of the eternal life.
121:7.10.2. The appealing teachings of the prevailing mystery cults, especially the Mithraic doctrines of redemption, atonement, and salvation by the sacrifice made by some god.
121:7.11.3. The sturdy morality of the established Jewish religion.

how come there aren't any records of his martyrdom in Roman records? apparently he got beheaded and his head rebounded three times of the ground and a spring of water exploded from the ground, you would think the Romans would record something as spectacular as that?

>>15203646
>121:7.7.
Holy... Bugman reign of quantity

>>15203676
Holy buzzword...

>>15203646
What is this Urania thing? It sounds based

>>15201994
Based and brotherpilled

>>15203609
this is how the jewish mentality works, buddy. you and jews are intimately connected, ye deny Christ. basically all the church fathers knew this.

If you want to study political messaging, Book of Romans is an incredible document

>>15203891
>If you don't LARP as a jew like me - you're a jew
This is your mind on abrahamism everyone. I'm done here

>>15204104
but you are the one thinking and behaving like a literal rabbi

>>15203797
it is based

>>15201120
Paul (pbuh) was the greatest of the apostles and he hijacked the religion for the better. It is only when brainlets subdivide his elaborate big brained long sentences into bite sized passages that results in harm.

>>15204265
>(pbuh)
Haram!

the following quote from Muḥammad al-Bāqir can be found:

“[In the pit of hell] there are seven chests, five containing persons from the previous nations, and two containing persons from this nation. As for the five, they are (1) Cain, who killed Abel, (2) Nimrod, who challenged Abraham regarding his Lord, saying ‘I give life and I give death,’ (3) Pharaoh, who said ‘I am your Highest Lord,’ (4) a Jew who Judaized the Jews, (5) Paul, who Christianized the Christians, (6-7) and from this nation, two Bedouins.”[20]

>>15204324
makes sense since muzzies claim the abrahamics were all the same but the human element (region, culture, language) made them different.

>Makes EVERYONE seethe

He based

>>15204324
This is heretical nonsense. St. Paul (pbuh) was a philosopher king in the truest sense. The man you quoted was a flesh slave who had several wives and Paul (pbub) proved the illegitimacy of anyone who isn't celibate-continent in speaking of spiritual matters. That man minded his wives. Paul minded God.

>>15204361
so we are supposed to remain celibate and not have children? based Paul was the first antinatalist

>>15204371
Yes.

>>15203891
>>15204104

>>15205012
The Christian God is not a being. It is being.

>>15202893
>>15203050
faggot nigger KILL YOURSELF NOW

>>15202968
based

>>15205074
can you elaborate on what you mean? genuinely interested

>>15205450
Not him, but it's what's now called classical theism. Basically the first talking point of scholastics, who used Aristotle's argument for motion and metaphysics to argue for biblical God as the prime mover. By this it is meant that it is through Him that all things are given an existence - a "being" (ens) is a thing that "possesses" existence; God, therefore, doesn't possess existence (in the manner of a caused, extrinsically given property), He "is" existence. It's also an argument for the biblical revelation by saying God gave a name to Moses that exactly matches this description (I am that I am, a.k.a. I am what is being, I am what is in itself, "ipsum Esse per se subsistens").

>>15202141
who the fuck is looking for the approval of middle eastern shit savages, of all people?

>>15205787
> middle eastern shit savages
now now christcuck, don't make fun of Jesus's cultural background

>>15205768
Sounds a lot like the Hindu God.

>>15205818
you're not allowed to make that observation, heretic

>>15205818
Yeah, the prime mover is no particular argument for the christian God besides the very mysterious name He gives Himself in Exodus. I was for a long time persuaded by this very point, precisely because it feels so out of place and different from other religious revelations. Now, I'm not so sure, specially because the highly personal God of Christianity doesn't seem to match some of the corollaries of the prime mover, such as absolute simplicity. By being pure act, all of the prime mover's acts must be the same act, and that actualization is an actualization of itself absolutely. How that matches with the personal God which possesses free will and "decides" things, changes His mind, etc. is still a mystery to me, but I haven't read Aquinas directly yet, so I don't know if he argues for it convincingly. In Aristotle's view, this prime mover should be pure intelligence/spirit and basically only think of itself, precisely because he is absolute perfection and his "thoughts" are his own essence so it'd be (apparently) incoherent for him to think of contingent things (such as ourselves), let alone to act providentially in this world through personal preferences. But maybe the other anon has a better knowledge of the scholastic response to this, idk.

>>15200911
Based Paul.

>>15205892
>Yeah, the prime mover is no particular argument for the christian God besides the very mysterious name He gives Himself in Exodus
Well, that and things like claiming to be the creator of the universe.

As for reconciling this with the personal nature of God, the Trinity is meant to explain this (which is why it's such a weird, one might even say incoherent concept, which is not the same thing as saying it's incorrect). Though I don't mean to say that the scholastic response to all of the concerns you raised is "it's the Trinity bro".

Peter and the Jerusalem church established by the living church all kept kosher (source: book of acts)
Where does Paul get the balls to say that he can override the living memory of christs own preaching? Thats a lot of chutzpah
It also means that jesus wanted you to keep kosher since obviously Peter himself remembered what jesus taught him in the flesh. Sneaky sneaky paul

>>15200911
try MahaPrajnaParamita-Sastra by Nagarjuna

>>15206450
>Peter and the Jerusalem church established by the living church all kept kosher (source: book of acts)
You mean this Book of Acts?
>So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him, saying, “Why did you go to uncircumcised men and eat with them?” Then Peter began to explain it to them, step by step, saying, “I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. There was something like a large sheet coming down from heaven, being lowered by its four corners; and it came close to me. As I looked at it closely I saw four-footed animals, beasts of prey, reptiles, and birds of the air. I also heard a voice saying to me, ‘Get up, Peter; kill and eat.’ But I replied, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing profane or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’ But a second time the voice answered from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, you must not call profane.’ This happened three times; then everything was pulled up again to heaven. At that very moment three men, sent to me from Caesarea, arrived at the house where we were. The Spirit told me to go with them and not to make a distinction between them and us.
Maybe this is also where Paul "overrides the living memory of Christ's own teaching".

>jesus wanted you to keep kosher
>He said to them, “Then do you also fail to understand? Do you not see that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile, since it enters, not the heart but the stomach, and goes out into the sewer?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
Mark 7, same story is in Matthew 15 minus the parenthetical.

It's certainly permissible to observe the Mosaic dietary laws, but it's by no means required or even praiseworthy.

>>15202176
Jesus was already dead by that time

>>15203226
>he got a few things wrong though
>like when he thought he was the literal creator of the universe and all should bow to his might
Quite a thing to get wrong though for you to continue thinking he got some things right and others wrong.

>>15203380
Paul is Christianity

>>15206626
Curious how the book of Acts presumedly written by Paul's follower, Luke, would insert Peter having a vision about it. Really makes you think...

>>15206626
So Peter and James are amnesiac retards who forgot what jesus taught them?
Im not talking about what some guy wrote in a book and said jesus taught, im talking about what jesus actually taught irl

>>15206626
...so Peter just forgot??
The rock of the entire christian faith forgot what jesus told him?????

>>15206450
More like based Paul. Paul was better than Jesus.

This guy thought jesus was coming back in his own lifetime

>>15203171
>Converted to Christianity
>Lived half a millennium before Jebus.
Confused_black_person.jpeg

>>15202176
Chirst was omniscient and thus knew the music of The Beatles and was a big fan of the Lennon/McCartney writing duo, so it's a reference to that.

He was writing under divine inspiration of the Holy Spirit. It seems almost unfair to compare him to almost all but an astonishingly small minority of other writers.

>>15209902
Wrong.

>>15211922
Wrong.
Read Pauls letters

>>15204265
>It is only when brainlets subdivide his elaborate big brained long sentences into bite sized passages that results in harm.
Immensely based and hermeneuticspilled. FUCK people who take Scripture out of context in small chunks to fit their narrative

>>15212155
Pseudo Paul has even longer sentences

>>15205892
It is not a "him" in any regular sence - it is much more "king" or any ruler-like metaphor.

>>15212155
Problem is when the entire thing is vague enough that people can use Scripture to withhold and argue for directly opposed views. Petrus Abelardus already pointed this out with his Sic et Non, albeit with this he didn't try to undermine the Church and Tradition, but rather to point out the flawed method of using quotes by Church Fathers/Scriture to end any discussion easily.
It's clear that anyone with a good grasp of Scripture can easily use the same "hermeneutics" an orthodox theologian uses to undermine this same orthodoxy. It's not as straightforward as you are implying.
I'm convinced any particular orthodoxy can only truly be argued for using a centralized and legitimized authority who defines things dogmatically - that's why the RCC was such an effective institution, constantly gatekeeping biblical interpretation as to maintain their particular views. And when I say "was" it's because it has been slowly losing its power (and consequently, their faithful) to do so ever since the absolute shitfest Vatican II was.

>>15213145
I don't understand what you're saying with this.

>>15203368
And on those in the tombs bestowing life

>>15213228
I mean it's significantly more straightforward if read in the original language (currently studying) and in the context of the original writing.

>>15213911
You mean Aristotle or Aquinas? Is the prime move referred to as an arkho? I thought that also meant "principle" in general.