/lit/ - Literature

nice larp you don't read and you made this thread to get a jump from people or to get people to spoonfeed you.

>Dunning kruger

>>15182839
I mean you can just read the reviews of his books. Its just a bunch of wine moms saying how quirky and poetic he is without giving any details. The truth is that no one actually knows what he is saying because he is a pseud that writes nonsense to make uneducated people look at him as intelligent. Then he can just smear his political opposition with bullshit and people will listen to him just on the basis of his image of being an intellectual. The OP post is right.

>>15182869
>admits to not having read the author in question within 3 posts

Understanding Adorno has actually become easier and easier, because what he talked about is only becoming more relevant. The culture industry of the digital era is like a self-parody of the culture industry in his time. You fail to see his point because you're actually an anti-Semitic ideologue, not a "moderate" by any means.

>I consider myself a political moderate

>>15182800
Imagine wasting time reading frankfurt retards. To understand their works, just look at their offspring over at chapotraphouse and other modern leftist forums. Just unhinged stupidty

>>15182839
>live action roleplay
>online text

>>15182909
>Imagine wasting time understanding the things i claim are bad
>I'd rather cherrypick a contemporary example and extrapolate from there
>That way i don't have to actually read anything

>>15182887
That doesnt make any sense the culture industry today is owned by the same people of the culture industry in his day. Warner brothers, disney etc all Jewish. So why would being anti semitic even be a problem? Is adorno a bad faith actor that pretends Jewish influence in American culture industry isnt a thing? Also OP said nothing anti semitic

>>15182800
Isn't 20th century leftism just pedo shit anyways? Frankfurters and Foucault/Sartre/Fromageblue

>>15182964
>owned by the same people
Why are you trying to read Adorno when you clearly haven't even skimmed Marx?

>>15182964
Indeed he did not say anything explicitly anti-Semitic, but it's obvious that he and you are incapable of separating his writing from his Jewish identity. That is what makes you an ideologue. Anything he could say would be nothing more than an emanation of the metaphysical Jew.

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To understand the Frankfurt school you need to understand the purpose of why they exist in the first place. The Frankfurt school lived in a time when people were beginning to pin the tail of Commism and captalist slavery on the Jewkey. Jews couldnt tolerate that and thus formed the school to write on the issues of capitalism that people were angry about. Their goal was to misdirect the correct of Judeo Capitalism into vague faceless enemies like the "culture industry". The whole point was to deradicalize angry people into basically giving up and to just say "well its the culture, shit sucks and nothing I can do about it". When the reality is the peope of the (((culture industry))) had names and addresses.
The mission of the Frankfurt school was to deflect the anger of society away from Jews and onto a faceless enemy

>>15182800
Reading this guy made me love the left desu

>>15183067
this is blatantly wrong. many far right thinkers have started implement the writings of the frankfurt school into their thought because they both seem to share the same enemy. only low iq reactionary /pol/tards and liberals are against the frankfurt school
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQu660IokS4

>Adorno
>Ultra jew
His dad was a convert to protestantism and his mother was a fucking italian catholic.

Technification is making gestures in the meantime precise and rough – and thereby human beings. They drive all hesitation out of gestures, all consideration, all propriety [Gesittung]. They are subjected to the irreconcilable – ahistorical, as it were – requirements of things. Thus one no longer learns to close a door softly, discreetly and yet firmly. Those of autos and frigidaires have to be slammed, others have the tendency to snap back by themselves and thus imposing on those who enter the incivility of not looking behind them, of not protecting the interior of the house which receives them. One cannot account for the newest human types without an understanding of the things in the environs which they continually encounter, all the way into their most secret innervations. What does it mean for the subject, that there are no window shutters anymore, which can be opened, but only frames to be brusquely shoved, no gentle latches but only handles to be turned, no front lawn, no barrier against the street, no wall around the garden? And which auto-driver has not felt the temptation, in the power of the motor, to run over the vermin of the street – passersby, children, bicyclists? In the movements which machines demand from their operators, lies already that which is violent, crashing, propulsively unceasing in Fascist mistreatment. Not the least fault for the dying out of experience is due to the fact that things assume a form under the law of their purposiveness which restrict their interaction to mere application, without the surplus – were it that of freedom of behavior, were it that of the autonomy of the thing – which might survive as the kernel of experience, because it is not consumed by the moment of action.

One can find in Black [i.e. African] students of national economy, in Siamese [Thai] students at Oxford, and in devoted art-historians and musicologists of petty bourgeois background generally the inclination and readiness to combine the appropriation of what is new and to be learned with a boundless respect for what is established, validated or recognized. An unreconciled inner sensibility [Gesinnung] is the opposite of wildness, neophyte status or “non-capitalist zones.” It presupposes experience, historical memory, the lability of the intellect and above all a thorough share of the social surplus. It is observed time and again that those recruited young and innocent into radical groups defect the moment they become aware of the force of tradition. One has to have this latter in oneself in order to hate it properly. That it is the snobs rather than the proletarians who have a taste for avant-garde aesthetic movements sheds light on politics, too. Latecomers and newcomers alike have a worrisome affinity for positivism, from the devotees of Carnap in India to the bold defenders of the German masters Matthias Grünewald and Heinrich Schütz. It would be poor psychology to presume that what one is excluded from arouses only hate and resentment; it also awakens a possessive, impatient sort of love, and those who repressive culture keeps at a distance can turn, easily enough, into the latter’s most narrow-minded partisans. This resonates even in the overcompensating High German of the worker who as a socialist wants “to learn a bit,” to take part in the so-called cultural heritage, and the banality of the Bebels consists not so much in their foreignness to culture than in the enthusiasm with which they presume it as a fact, identifying with it and indeed thereby inverting its meaning. Socialism is in general as little immune from this transformation as the theoretical slippage into positivism. It can happen easily enough that in the Far East Marx takes the place vacated by Driesch and Rickert. At times it is to be feared that the interrelationship of the non-Occidental peoples in the antagonisms of industrial society, in itself long overdue, will primarily benefit the rational increase of production and transport and the modest raising of living standards, rather than those to be emancipated. Instead of expecting miracles from pre-capitalist peoples, the mature capitalist ones ought to be on their guard against their own sobriety, their slipshod affirmation of what is traditional, and the successes of the West.

>>15183126
There's no point engaging with these people, because they have internalized the Nuremberg Laws

>>15182800
I don't understand the hype around the Frankfurt school. They're pretty much bizarro-/pol/ with a serious (but understandable) hard-on for fascism just like /pol/ has a hard-on for jews. What does /pol/ see behind every tree? Die Juden. What do Adorno and his buddies see behind every tree? Fascists. Hearing a supposedly marxist sociologist tell you that you're a crypto-fascist for not trusting your government is a bit puzzling, to say the least. Would they be taken just as seriously if they weren't on the winning side and put into state-backed positions of authority? Admittedly /pol/ rarely discusses Hegel, and their critiques of modernity are quite prescient, but I still can't help but feel that they're overrated as hell because they're the non-faggot alternative to the post-WW2 French guys if you're a leftist.

>>15182978
The ones that weren't pedos were even bigger psychos

>>15183193
But you're a fascist if you love your parents

>>15183193
>because they're the non-faggot alternative to the post-WW2 French guys if you're a leftist.
>not being a Guenonian Traditionalist leftist who wants fully automated islamic space communism

>>15182800
All you need to know about Adorno is his Good Republican vs. Bad Democrat dichotomy, which apparently is real social science except the sample size for both groups is 1 and we don't even know if either of these people existed.

He's an extremely politicised propagandist who's only purpose is to make "his side" be effective while being nice and compassionate and telling his opposition that they're evil unless they're the kind of opposition he wishes to have(that is, ineffective one). There's about as much value in his works as there is in De Monarchia or political speeches of 1932 US presidential elections.

>>15182800
>Adorno
>left
Wew lad

>>15182800
He was a spiteful mutant, cultural Marxism is, like all things created by spiteful mutants, an intrinsically destructive ideology.

>>15183251
I will assume that this 4channel post is absolute truth.

>>15182800
>>Thinks Fascism is the worst thing to ever exist even though his ideas lead to neo-liberalism
Dafuq? How did Adorno spawn Nixon and Thatcher?

>ughh have you seen the people these days
t.Adorno

critical theorists are the karens of philosophy

if adorno could speak right now to the manager of fascism or jazz, he would demand it

>>15182800
>his ideas lead to neo-liberalism
He's pretty inconsequential to the whole history of neoliberalism, stop overplaying the importance of critical thinkers.

>>15182869
This is the most unspecific and lazy criticism youof an author you can do, it doesn't even reach the level of ad hominem.
It's so unsubstantial it's almost archetypal, you basically wrote pasta that can be used against anyone.

>>15182978
You're lumping different things together as people here always do.

>>15183067
>faceless enemy
>no names and adress
>publicly traded megacorporations whose names are in every household and whose founders are publicly registered
You need to rethink your argument anon.

>>15183293
Actually I'm gonna describe this example, because it's a good study of his character. So he wrote once a book which was meant to show the pathology within society by using like a model characters. Yes, he wrote a bunch of strawmen and that's his work on sociology.

The Good Republican vs. Bad Democrat example is a very good way of showing how the entirety of this piece of shit looked like:

Good Republican:
>understands New Deal is important and government intervention helps
>is fine with basketball americans
>deeply individualistic
>is very pious Christian

That's a very great moral character right here even though he votes for party Adorno doesn't like! Like come on, he disagrees only on the fact that he wants some morals to be around, which from the perspective of Adorno doesn't mean squat because materialism dictates these anyway. That's ineffective opposition, something Adorno loves.

Bad Democrat
>is sceptical whether the New Deal is what he signed up for
>doesn't like basketball americans and immigrants
>thinks his hometown and ties in the local community are important
>is suspicious of jews being overrepresented among the elites

That man, right there, he will design masturbation machines for new holocaust. Having people like that around and accepting them is almost like holocaust, almost because these people haven't done it yet but they will. Think of the jewish children

Now the most important part of it is that neither of these exists. These are archetypes that may have some basis in reality or be just strawmen but the conclusions as for what are they intentions going to lead the USA is something completely made up on the spot by Adorno(and frankly speaking his holocaust is totally going to repeat in America hysteria seems to be exactly that), depending on political expediency at the moment. People tend to say he was marxist but he changed his mind, given his methods I think he just changed the name, but the mind remained the same. That being said he got his way. The older(bad) democrats aren't around anymore and most republicans that actually got elected have mostly fitted themselves to the "Good Republican" archetype, eventually managing to overturn the New Deal partially, in the process(but there were more and newer and much better entrenched policies that they didn't dare to touch).

I find it funny that Adorno was a man who admitted to finding value in right-leaning critiques of liberal democracy while /pol/tards just use left-leaning critiques without admission while also seething and blaming all the modern issues on them
>>15183126
This, also remember he is predominately a Hegelian which is indented and arguably inseparable from Protestantism

>>15183067
>The Frankfurt school lived in a time when people were beginning to pin the tail of Commism and captalist slavery on the Jewkey >Jews couldnt tolerate that and thus formed the school to write on the issues of capitalism that people were angry about
any evidence of this at all?

>>15182800
>his ideas lead to neo-liberalism
Took you ~15 words before I stopped reading, as I realized you had nothing, absolutely nothing to offer, and had either never read Adorno or has misunderstood him so fundamentally that whatever you think you can contribute with is actually worthless.

>>15183344

lol checked

dissing this hack whilst engaging with the culture he would hate. Respect.

>>15183418
Read Culture of Critique, plenty of sources.

>>15183371
So?

>Light art … is the social bad conscience of serious art. The truth which the latter could not apprehend because of its social premises gives the former an appearance of objective justification. The split between them is itself the truth: it expresses at least the negativity of the culture which is the sum of both spheres.

>>15182839
fpbp

>>15182909
imagine going on a literature forum and telling people not to read. useless retard

>>15182800
>whines
critical consciousness
>jewish messiah
literally what/where/who are you talking about
>positive small talk
metaphysical imperatives have no consequence for material realities
>writes paragraphs
are paragraphs too long for you to read? you're used to /pol/ greentexts?
>dunning kruger
lol

>nonsensical kabbalah speak
there's nothing further from adorno's historical materialism than religious mysticism, try again

>>15182800

Daily reminder to /lit/ that neoliberalism is good and god doesn't exist.

Can we stop equating liberalism with leftism, it's either ignorant or dishonest

>>15183067
*AHEM*

>>15183723
So you're retarded.

>>15182800
discord . gg/d9mTzQY

>>15184872
God does exist but it's not the Christian God.

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*AHEM*

>>15185170
The left can't meme

>>15182800
Dude. I concur.
But don't renounce on based Walter Benjamin
Just remember that Adorno seethes about the existence of poetry post Auzwich.

>>15182909
So you suggest us to read the cringy rip-off over the based OGs?

>>15185205
>seethes
anachronism

>>15182800
>reddit spacing
>"bourgeoise complacency" [sic]
>his ideas lead to neo-liberalism [sic]
>I consider myself a political moderate
>Adorno on the left
>>Dunning Kruger
you need to go back

>>15183126
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israeli-high-court-allows-dna-testing-to-prove-judaism-1.8439615

>>15185170
this is so fucking based

>>15185170
upvoted my good sir

>>15185194
it's objectively good for a frog meme

>>15185205
If you'd actually read the essay where the quote's from, you'd realize he was speaking very figuratively (and in any case he felt it necessary to qualify the statement later in his career). And I think he's absolutely correct that writing poetry of a certain kind--e.g., in praise of a ruler, or anything else whose purpose is to celebrate the existing order--is inadmissable post-WWII (if it wasn't already post-WWI). Much as i love Tennyson, for instance, he would absolutely be a grotesque self-parody if he wrote today.

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>>15185205
Either learn how to read or give me my board back

>>15185953
Bruthur, One's be talking just that Walter Benjamin is Based and Theodor Adorno is pleb tier.

One had cocaine thesis on the practice of orgies and gender or whatever.
The other seethed on Jazz Music.

>>15182800
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls5xq2EqjeI

He hates the left too. His hippie students organised a protest at his university and he immediately called the police.

>>15186191
lmao. where's the original?

>>15182800
filtered by /pol/ brainrot. Sorry, your psychic immune system was not vital enough to stop you from falling into the abyss.

>>15185748
Demoralizing kike nonsense

>>15186232
Nobody's going to stop you from writing a paean to Trump. It's just going to suck--and will be truly "barbaric."

>>15186271
Lol those are some big feelings faggot

>>15186232
>Demoralizing kike nonsense
Nazis literally think that truth has anything to do with being "demoralizing" or not.

>>15186285
>talks about poetry
>complains about other people's big feelings
Certainly bigger feelings than you'll ever feel you soulless bugman.

>>15186290
Lmao what truth? Calling something barbaric is just sentimental faggotry
>>15186304
Enjoy your feelings babe

Foucault and Butler made me hate the left

>>15186285
Indeed. Feelings are one of the things that make up the human animal. Indeed, one might almost say that Adorno's principle thesis is that "true" rationality can be reached only through the innermost feeling, in opposition to the niceties of the essentially administrative way of thinking that ordinarily goes under the name of "reason." If you don't get it, that's fine. It just makes you like most people

>>15186326
Haven't read Butler but that's a strange thing to say about Foucault imo. If anything, I find him frustrating because he's too anti-ideological (insofar as he refuses to place a value upin anything).

>>15186005
Learn how to read and how to write you stupid pajeet

>>15182800
>le based jazzman