/lit/ - Literature

>>15165174
LOTR is not sci fi

>>15165180
>Science Fiction & FANTASY General

>>15165180
You are right it is fantasy.

>>15165189
>>15165191
Oh i see it now. My phone cut off the fantasy part of the title

Sanderfag a hack
Hugoes a scam
Reddit bad
E William Brown a fuck
Trannies not welcome

>The Lord of the Rings edition.
Shit taste, slave, more Tolkien copycats is exactly what we need

>>15165174
how do i coherently worldbuild?

>>15165240
Islam in space is top-tier worldbuilding, no matter how many times its been done

>>15165246
>Islam in space
C Y B E R M E C C A

What should I read next? Lately I've read the 1st book of The Dying Earth, the 1st Dune book, and the 1st Vampire Hunter D novella (and various non SFF books in between). They were all good enough but I think I want something a bit different before going back to the Dying Earth. Not sure if I'll continue Dune, it was entertaining at first but the end everything felt super rushed and was pretty 'meh'.
Thinking about hitting up McKillip again as one of the few decent female writers, is Riddle Masters of Hed any good?
Or, alternatively, is there any good SciFi that's more like the old school shit all futuristic and not grimdark/doomsday/people bad/lgbtqpz or whatever? Actually hopeful and maybe even fun?

>>15165232
Extremely based

Will genre fiction ever recover?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3833655&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

Can someone who went through world apocalypse online tell me the optimal chapter to stop?

>>15165526
Incredibly based and redpilled, he even liked Gormenghast, unlike you, you stupid fucks. He found Jemisin disgusting as well.
Where can I find new content by this intellectual? Why was he banned?

>>15165923
>unlike you
Why would you imply that the kinosseurs at /sffg/ somehow dislike Gormenghast, rather than rightly recognise it as deserving of LoTR's spot as most biggerest and bestest?

>>15166075
Have you sen the top 20 chart?

>>15165174
Bump limit is 310 ya dunce

Could anyone post that webcomic about Rothfuss' genders in The Name of the Wind? I can't find it anywhere.

>>15165148
>Castle of Otranto
While I am thankful for the recommendation I was thinking about something more this (or the previous) century.
Maybe some Southern Gothic, which I always wanted to get into.
Here's a big tiddy goth as thanks.

>>15165526
What the fuck nigger?
How did something of that quality end up on SA?
I had no idea that SA was still up even after all the pedo charges brought up against the moderation team (which given the sharp decline and quality of moderation here might mean we got some of the same "talent").

You got any more content of similar type anon? It's hilarious.

>>15166975
No problem boyo.

There's always stuff like Poe(inb4 cliche), or someone more recent like Michael McDowell.

There's also a series I've seen being pushed literally called "Gothic Fantasy" by Flame Tree Studios - no idea who they are, had to look it up - that are really just a compilation of stories not really doing anything with Gothic Fiction themes; I'd suggest skipping those for the most part, although Japanese Folklore is my jam.

>>15165526
>(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
Wut

>>15166975
For old gothic, Otranto is not good but historically interesting. The Monk is hilarious.

For past century, read Shirley Jackson's "The Haunting of Hill House" and "We Have Always Lived in the Castle"

>>15165526
>semi-bourgeois prose
stopped reading

>>15165526
Imagine if 4chan kept records of your personal bans.
How many probations would you have, anons?

>>15167134
>>15167260
Will do.
Thanks.

>>15167467
>>15167134
>>15167052
>>15166975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv-ODnbbP7U

>>15167525
Oh it's the Hugo tranny again.

>>15167421
It does though.
https://www.4chan.org/bans

>>15167421
>first ban ever was for accidental lolicon on a blue board
>anything after that has just been 3 bans for replying to off topic garbage
Anyone else soften up in their old age?

>>15167525
>More relevant than buzzword poster
>Actual discussion
>Still get shit on

Nice.

>>15167532
It doesn't. That's everyone on the site and it only goes back an hour.

>>15167541
Very much, I would spam dumb stuff on /b/ and then we'd raid other boards with it. I don't think I've been banned in almost 5 years.

Why is there so much shitposting in /sffg/ lately?

I am still on the lookout for good, non-fag, non-glittery vampire novels.
Something more along the lines of Kim Newman's Anno Dracula series and less like John Steakley's Vampire$ (or Heaven forbid Anne Rice).

>>15167724
Every like 3 weeks or so we get some really shitty weekend threads and it carries over into the week.

Also there's like 10 posters here who actually talk about books outside of the core thread ones so if we're all between books or reading longer ones then that discussion dies and shit takes over. Personally if a thread get too shitty I just leave and come back 2-3 days later

>>15167764
Have you tried fevre dream?

>>15167724
The shit flows to the top as they say.
I think we got an influx of floaters from various other corners of Internet as well as from other boards.
Have you seen the just how bad /lit has gotten?
To quote Johnny Knoxville - We are awash in the sea of poo.

>>15167771
>fevre dream
I do have it in my backlog. I am currently looking something more modern, both regarding the setting of the novel and the publish date.
To be perfectly honest I am looking for something similar to old Word of Darkness, well written of course.

>1300 pages into Monarch of Evernight
>protagonist gets their first specific cultivation art
This is a much better read than some of the genre's other entries simply because the author is telling a story and using the cultivation power level stuff as a worldbuilding detail/magic system rather than making it and progression within it the entire focus of the story.

>>15167826
>Word of Darkness, well written of course.
Not happening. And i don't mean WoD going to shit, that was a foregone conclusion, but most fantasy nowadays that involves vampires is urban fantasy. And Its fucking terrible. Its all either Dresden Files copies and all that cliche shit that comes with it or reverse harem trash were a women is gang raped by vampires and werewolves until she likes it.

The only recent good vampire novel i can think of is "An Unattractive Vampire" and even then its more of a satirical comedy that plays with the tropes of vampires becoming useless and sparkly pretty boys.

>>15168038
>An Unattractive Vampire
I read that. It was a fun read.
As for the WoD, I guess I am trying to find some work that captures the feel of the old WoD before Wild Wolf imploded and got taken over. But as you say, the market is awash in leather clad half vampire/half werewolf chicks out to prove their bad assery. And no matter how much I find Kate Beckinsale hot in latex I draw the line at shitty writing.

>>15167764
Blindopraxia, how the fuck are you here and not know?

>>15168124
Nigga don't make me loose my calm up in this bitch and order some reading comprehension off Amazon. I was reading Rifters when your father still didn't think you were going to be such a disappointment.
Read before you post.

His small group of neurologically challenged humans (so small in fact they might not even be a distinct subspecies) are not proper undead.

>>15168181
>tfw all 3 die by the end of the series
>Bodie knew he was gonna get killed but stood his ground because he didn't have anything else

>>15165174
>tfw feel depressed every time I read/watch LOTR and remember there's nothing else as good as it + the First Age books

>>15168205
I would feel depressed if my taste was this limited and shitty too.

>>15168197
It's all in the game yo.

>>15168217
I don't have limited taste, I read very broadly outside of Fantasy, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Fantasy is basically the Metal of literature - the original stuff was influenced by a wide range of stuff from over a century before as well as contemporary stuff, and then everything since then has been more and more limited and unimaginative as it's only inspired by the founders of the genre.

>>15168262
Actually apt comparison. Metal is 99% shit since Ozzy left Sabbath.

Just read Wayne Barlowe.

Is The Drowned World the best place to start?

>>15168262
How nice that you compare two very neat things, but to say that current metal is "only inspired by the founders of the genre" is inaccurate. You're just not looking in the right places, or you haven't acquired the taste for some of the cutting edge and lesser-known thangs.

>>15168320
Either that or High Rise. Weird how he wrote those, Empire of the Sun and Crash but his most famous work didn't yet get adapted.

>>15168262
I, too, do not enjoy anything that has been done before in any shape or form.
Fuck tales, fuck archetypes and fuck tropes.
The last good book I read was Finnegans Wake, because I didn't understand it, which means it did something different and was therefore good.

God damn, Malazan is literally twice as good as any expectation i had of it. Is all of Book of the Fallen pretty consistent?

>>15168688
First book was fucking trash, does it get better?

>>15168755
I'd speak to the direct contrary, man. The first book was pretty excellent. just finished it. Well-written, if nothing else.

>>15168755
2nd book is the best in the series. If you don’t like that, you won’t like Malazan.
>>15168688
It’s got a few books that drag pretty hard, but it hits more than it misses by a good degree.

>>15168320
Drowned and Burning Worlds are both solid. Haven’t read anything else by him

This was a very fun read.
Are Eyes of the Overworld and Cugel's saga as good?

What are your fav high fantasy short story collections?

severian did nothing wrong

>>15169081
yes, some might say they're even better

>>15169081
They're much, much better. For me the first was a little exploratory, hit and miss, looking for its rhythm. But Vance hit a mainline with Cugel the Clever. One of my favorite characters ever. This guy's review >>15165526 hits the mark but don't read it yet. Since you liked the first just dive in and then discuss after you've read it for yourself.

>>15168871
Is the ending good, anon? I have to know, but pls dont spoil

>>15167764
Let the Right One In

>>15168262
apt comparison since it's a reductive and nonsense take when applied to any music genre or lit genre
>>15168320
Early scifi Ballard read either the World books (release order works they aren't related to each other beyond themes) or short story collections (Terminal Beach and Impossible Man both being very strong)
For "peak" of his career Ballard read The Atrocity Exhibition, Crash or High Rise. (Exhibition, Crash and Concrete Island is another thematic trilogy of sorts).
Late Ballard is also good though (actually my fav period of his) Cocaine Nights and Super-Cannes are a thematic set and then the last two books published are a strong end to his career.
Read the autobiographies whenever you want.

>>15165204
Fucking phoneposting faggot.

>>15168105
>>15168038
>>15167826
Read that Shane Silver's vampire book. Devil something.

>>15169247
It’s serviceable, but somewhat rushed. Gets the job done, and there are series with worse endings.

Who recommended this shit? It's the Handmaid's Tale with time travel. Written by a male feminist. Jesus it's dreadful.

>>15169925
>male feminist
That's a red flag for pretty much anything. But the author has to describe himself as such.

>>15169081
Yes.
Other great works include The Demon Princes, Planet of Adventure and short stories like Emphyrio. (some people love Lyonesse too)
Most of his work is stellar, although I could never get into his very late SF.

>>15169925
That’s why you only read chink fiction of the new stuff or the self-published no-award stuff like Wight.

>>15165526
Only of interest for the critiques of banal shit like Hobbes and Banks.
When he tries to take on something of interest like Mirlees he starts sperging out about her politics, of sex and class. Pathetic retreats away from any genuine analysis into cliched hot takes cribbed from activism.

>>15165526
Only of interest for the critiques of banal shit like Hobbes and Banks.
When he tries to take on something of interest like Mirlees he starts sperging out about her politics, of sex and class. Pathetic retreats away from any genuine analysis into cliched hot takes cribbed from activism. Tellingly for a goon the artistic value of a work is credited by how much it plays into his personal political convictions, no matter how hackneyed.

Is the new humble bundle D&D books worth buying?

God help me this may be Mandela effect, but in that one infographic "Older Women with Younger Men" there had been a legitimate /sffg/ related book which I cannot remember the name of.

It had a cover that looked like ye olde parchment, and had a relatively fantasy-esque name.

sanderson is a hack

>>15171162
The Trysmoon saga. Don't waste your time, it's just cuck fetish garbage.

>>15171162

>>15171598
In case you lack reading comprehension; "Had been" implies it's no longer on there.

>>15171250
That's it.
Is it actual cuck or is it Guy falls in love with someone unavailable/uninterested?
Because I'm fine with the latter, former can fuck right off.

>>15170749
What I've read of the Drizzt books was very...readable. But Drizzt himself is a boring cunt and the drow shit comes off as super edgy.

>>15171730
>>15171162

>>15171730
>Is it actual cuck or is it Guy falls in love with someone unavailable
Bingo. But it's like you're a cuck because you like your friend's wife, and your friend fucks his wife every night.

Finally, a series where the plot, theme and moral of the story are the main character getting cucked.

>>15171730
>Is it actual cuck or is it Guy falls in love with someone unavailable/uninterested?

The chick and due love each other but literal destiny says she has to have a baby with a fat ugly bastard or the world ends, and the man has a magical enchantment that lets him feel all her pain and disgust while she loses her virginity to the fat ugly bastard, who is at one point even referred to as her Bull.

It's full blown 100% cuck fetish garbage.

I just started The Three Body Problem. I'm about 1/4 in, but it's pretty soft. I've hard praise about how it's hard scifi but it's soft as heck and the characters are not grounded nor realistic. Maybe I'm way too influenced by amerifat literature, and maybe it's a Chinese thing, but so far nobody seems that impressed by things that supposedly affect the whole damn universe. One guy said about the law of physics not following one another, and the main character just goes "nice, I guess that happened huh?", but when faced with the countdown numbers in his eyes, he suddenly acts like that Shen woman was the culprit and that she, or someone she knows, makes some "illusions". What the heck?

Anyway without spoiling things for me, what do you guys think? Is it a good book?

>>15171961
Woah, I just bitched about Senlin Ascends but this sounds like actual fap material for the author.

>>15171961

>>15171979
Oh, I forgot. There's also a side character who is a virginal maid to the chick who has to fuck the fat ugly bastard who has a romance with the main character's bro, but the fat ugly bastard can basically do whatever he wants while everyone sucks his dick for being the father of not!jesus, so he marries the maid to some other guy for the express purpose of more cuckoldry. It was absolutely a fapfic for the author.

>>15169925
Retard, it is the third book in the series.
And fuck off with your /pol/ bullshit.

>>15171956
Didn't that happen in WoT and anything Robin Hobb wrote?

>>15172013
The main chatacter in WoT does the cucking with his three wives. Rand is pretty based.

>>15172013
The only person in WoT who gets cucked in Demandred, who gets cucked literally to death.

>>15165204
disgusting

>>15172013
Man, I miss Hobb's writing. Having the main characters get brutalized over and over with no relief makes you get so much more attached to them than some plot armor power fantasy faggots who only get a bit fucked in the first bits.

>>15165923
He got banned for persistent low effort trolling elsewhere.

>>15169111
How do you guys construct short story plots?

>>15165232
Stop evolving.

>>15171999
Yes, it's the third book in the series. And exactly as I described. What's your point?

tfw the 10,000+ page chinese webnovel you're reading has pacing issues

>>15171970
Three Body isn't great. I wouldn't recommend it as a standalone novel (although it has some interesting parts).

However, I thoroughly recommend the other two books in that trilogy, which requires you to read Three Body first. Just slog through it then start The Dark Forest, which will blow your fucking socks off. Trust me on this senpai

>>15168181
>. I was reading Rifters when your father still didn't think you were going to be such a disappointment.
Lmao

>>15172177
>>15172198
God, I really want to talk about WoT. I finished it earlier this year and I'm still trying to fill the void that series left

>>15173077
It isn't what you described at all. You are triggered just because there is a woman in it.

>>15173548
>In a world where the United States has been taken over by patriarchal christians who only see women as breeding sows...
Nothing like handmaid's tale.

>>15173468
Talk, friend. If the trolls attack, ignore them. There are people here who love the series as well.
It's still my favorite fantasy series, but I grew up reading it as it came out, so it holds a special place in my heart.

>>15173625
Kill yourself brainwash /pol/tard.

It is a future timeline that was constructed by one guy who set out to make it that way so he can control the world. It isn't even about the religion, it is all about time travell and changing the timeline. And the women aren't used for breading, they are treated as second class citizens and they sell themselves for sex to get jobs and an easy life. Not exactlt sjw is it? A story about women who are treated like shit and used for sex to be accepted as anything more than a peice of shit.

I don't think you even read the book, you just read a bit about it and decide to shitpost.

>>15173678
They are used for breeding. The store clerk tells him they get mandatory retirement after six months of pregnancy.

>>15165174
It's nice how images you get from books can enter in your mind like real memories. When I look at this picture, I get the same nostalgic feeling that I get when looking at pictures of my childhood and adolescence.

Anyone read Vernor Vinge? I picked up A Fire Upon the Deep recently and am going to start reading it soon, would like to know what I can expect

>>15173664
The series is shit. You just have on nostalgia glasses. I bet you like eragon and star wars too.

Has anyone read the second and third books in the Vorrh trilogy? I recently finished the first book and enjoyed it. That said, I'm not entirely sure I need a second and third book.

>>15173110
Fuck you chinks and your shilling. We all know anyone who recommends three meme problem is a chink. Since chinks only support their own.

Anybody know what William D Arand's next book gonna be?
It's supposed to come out next Friday but he hasn't updated his website in a while.

Anyone else burnt out on his books(or books in general)? I reached three thousand books on goodreads last month and nothing is fun anymore. I read anything in hopes I will get feels from them. Webchinkshit, self published shit, publishing house shit, fanfiction shit. All are shit and don't give me that feeling of contented coziness I used to feel. I think being home and reading non stop fucked with my pleasure centres.
What are you faggots reading anyway?

>>15173468
>>15173664
But why here? Reddit and every other shitty trend-chasing forum out there would suit your needs just as well, and you wouldn't have to deal with trolls (anyone who is above 16 years of age).

>>15173885
Based, the only chinkposter that is allowed here is the Reverend Insanity poster

>>15173952
You're a very mature and knowledgeable person, eh? Recommend me a good book.

>>15173981
Here are two:
The King of Elfland's Daughter by Lord Dunsany
The Decameron by Boccaccio

>>15173947
I've grown tired of them. They seem lazier and smuttier.

>>15165526
>And most ridiculous of all must be the self-praise to be found in the text, where Kay points out that stories are, in fact, fiction (yet full of significance!), and commends the labours of the storyteller
>>15173110
The Chink takes this even further. An international committee of literature experts literally praises some autist's made up tales.

>>15174035
Very nice. How often do you discuss these books here?

>>15174077
There was a period where I mentioned Lord Dunsany once every two or so threads, now maybe monthly or so.
I spammed Boccaccio in /outerlit/ for a while as well.

>>15174100
So what do you come to this general for?

>>15174124
Because quite a few anons here are, unlike you, intelligent people who realize the stupidities of Sanderson and Jordan and instead discuss Peake, Vance, Wolfe, Hodgson, Ballard, etc. and sometimes even give recommendations of author I had never heard of until then, and which turn out to be great.
I DO NOT come here to make the same cursory remarks about the same books that /r/fantasy is reading.

>>15174158
Read Barlowe.

>>15174158

>>15174158
Ah, another 4channel user with refined taste just like me! OwO

>>15174158
I too only read old books from old authors.

>>15174413
Name one (1) SFF book from the last 10 years that's actually good and I'll read it.

>>15174425
No matter what I post you will call it shit. Maybe you should start reading modern books instead of being stuck in the retarded mindset that everything is shit.

>>15174437
I was bout finna buy Accelerando before the flu lockdown.

>>15174465
Accelerado is pretty great for the first 1/2 then it gets a bit weird. Have you read The Quantum Thief?

>>15174494
I got up to the part with the video game guild party, when it was /sffg/ monthly reading.

>>15173808
I read this. I don't really want to spoil it for you but I thought roughly 1/2 of the book was pretty good and the other 1/2 wad pretty poor (you might not agree but you'll see what I mean once you start reading). If you enjoyed Children of Time you'll enjoyed Fire Upon the Deep.

I just wanted to say to everyone that Stanislaw Lem is fucking overrated. He's good when it comes to more interesting parts, like characters talking with each other or something, but when he spends a few pages describing a fucking room on a fucking space station, it's fucking boring.

>>15173885
If you weren't such a troglodytic semen chugger and actually read 3BP you'd realise it's a unique insight into the Chinese mentality and the rather hilarious way it views itself on the world stage. I like 3BP trilogy for it's wacky sci-fi shit not the politic undertones.

>>15174508
Through this comment alone you have reminded that I actually didn't like The Quantum Thief that much so I kind of regret mentioning it.
Blindopraxia? Too Like the Lightning? Both fairly original and have some interesting subversion of existing tropes in contemporary sci-fi I'm assuming you're not a fan of.

>>15174425
Children of time
Blindsight

>>15174228
>>15174413
Hugo tranny NOT welcome. There's no reason I would fetishize the new and ignore a century of speculative fiction because marketing brainwashed you into chasing trends, instead of reading both: old and new, proportionally.

>>15174425
Embassytown, The Sorcerer's House, 16 ways to defend a walled city.

>>15174535
Based and redpilled, I wrote a very long post maybe a year ago about how he fucking spent 15 pages of Solaris babbling nonsense about a pseudo-science he created, something about waves.

>>15174597
Children of time is shit and I was actually surprised to discover Blindsight came out in 2006

>>15174635
>>15174599
>>15174425
I was going to say The City and The City but it's older than 10 years.

>>15174674
I actually read Blindsight in 2007 when I was 15 which might explain why I never mourned the death of my father and can't find true love

>>15174599
>tranny
Rent free

>>15174833
Hugo tranny NOT welcome
Asked to name 3 modern classics? Names 3 shits by cringy feminists. Embarrasing.
You can't stop me, nor others anons from using a word so deeply ingrained in 4chan culture, retard.

>>15174881
Imagine being this brainwashed by /pol/ and trying to fit in this hard on a Mongolian basket weaving forum.

LMAO @ ur life m8

I like the theme of AI ruling humans as a benevolent god. What do you recommend?

>>15174988
>/pol/
Containment's broken. You've lost control.

>>15175017
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream

>>15174988
>LMAO @ ur life m8
Imagine being this brainwashed by twitter

Anyway, for the last time: Hugo tranny NOT welcome.

>>15175053
Yeah it's very rare, because all you get are AI overlords that are evil. I want a subversion of this trope, on the premise that an impartial expert intelligence will do a much better job than human politicians. I don't think that's far fetched if you have the technology.

>>15174542
Sure Chink Chang. Go be bugman elsewhere where people don't see through your shit easily.

In this thread alone they've called at least 6 different posters "hugo tranny" at some point you have to just admit they're insincere and not worth replying to

>>15175087
The last story of I, Robot

>>15174048
Yeah, he also isn't as fun when everybody is doing the same shit.
I don't even know where Eric Vall, Logan Jacobs, Dante King and the rest of those fags came from, but they are doing the same shit he is. I also think those authors join his patreon and steal ideas of what he is doing before he publishes.

>>15175097
Just the one retard who found his way here and keeps shitposting. Probably best to ignore him and hopefully he will go away.

>>15175017
Agent Cormac series by Neal Asher.

>>15175097
Yeah. Kinda tiring.

I just want to make magnum cud laude posting.

>>15175145
>>15175087
>>15175017
Neal Asher has an entire series of AI overlords and it's pretty fun.

>>15175163

Which one of you faggots unironically recommended me Worth the candle. This piece of "sci-fi" uninspired shit is the most blatant reddit literature i can think of. Jesus i feel so ashamed for not seeing it 40 chapters earlier. 50% of this board is book-baiting.

>>15175186
It's your fault for reading webnovels, especially Chinese webnovels. Do what I do, only read them if they are published on Amazon.
This pic was made for a reason.

>>15175115
At least arand writes better than vall and Jacobs. That’s some of the most disappointing smut I have ever read. I wish I could stop their fucking shitty books from showing up.

>>15174599
>instead of reading both: old and new, proportionally.
Then name me a few good books released in the past few years. You can't because you don't read anything new because you generalize everything new as bad by default.

>>15174988
>Mongolian basket weaving forum.
gais I know ur sikrit werd Xd

>>15175097
>>15175121
>>15175163
Samefagging hard

>>15175290
>you don't read anything new
I am literally the webnovel anon and in the last week on /sffg/ alone I have recommended over 10 novels published during the past 10 years.

>>15175177
its actually kinda crazy that her books warrant their own massive shelf at a bookstore

>>15174425
God's Demon
Heart of Hell
Sorcerer's House
A Borrowed Man
Expanse Series
Ancillary Justice
Children of Time
Traitor Baru Cormorant
Souther Reach Trilogy
Borne
Blindopraxia


Get fucked

>>15175602
>get fucked
Why would I take the recommendations of someone so needlessly rude?

>>15175616
You were too smug. I don't care if you read them or not.

>>15168688
i like them all
>>15168755
the first book is generally considered as the weakest, and 2nd and 3rd are often among the top, but if you really hated the first then im not sure about continuing. maybe try the 2nd though

>>15175145
Based taste tebehe.

I can't seem to find it by googling, which Gene Wolfe book was it where you need a ton of horticultural knowledge to understand the foreshadowing?

Are any of you currently writing, or do you have any experience with web serials?

I'm ~300 pages into a pre-write of a series I'm planning on publishing sometimes soon, and I'd like to hear about anyone's experiences with this type of publishing.

It's not something I've done before. I have plenty of experience writing, and I've written many books, but this would be my first real stab at publishing anything, at all.

Right now, I'm planning a Mon & Friday release of main chapters, which will be 15-20 pages a piece, and a Wednesday release of a side chapter, ~5 pages on average. I'll be publishing on Royal Road, because it's the best avenue for the genre.

My plan is to fund the serial through Patreon, 10 bucks would get you four weeks ahead of the free release.

Have any of you gone down this road before?

>pic unrelated, but Strange in a Strange Land is still a fucking wild ride, and I recommend the audio book.

>>15175602
That Barlowe dude looks based, sorta like evil Alfred Kubin and you are intelligent enough to appreciate Vandermeer, and Wolfe, I may check him out.
On the other hand, "Expanse Series" and "Ancillary Justice" does not inspire confidence.
Traitor Baru Cormorant was fun but hailing it as among the best of modern fantasy is questionable, especially given how bad the second book is.

>>15175710
Didn't read Monster BC. Modern fantasy is generally atrocious. Name something better that I haven't listed.

So, I just finished reading the third short story in the first book.
I thought, since it's called DYING EARTH, it would be more like a Mad Max with magic, but it has this dreamy, old-school-romance style fantasy.
Is it going to be like this for the rest of the book(s) as well?

>>15175758
See >>15174599
Also a lot of good horror with Cisco and such. Ted Chiang is occasionally good, though highly inconsistent. KSR and Delany are still alive as well.
And of course "Ka: Dar Oakley in the Ruin of Ymr", not sure how I forgot about that one.

>>15165255
Starship Troopers is pretty good, and surprisingly based. Very fashy

>>15175803
It's a comedy.

>>15175680
Peace

It's mentioned in his wikipedia page which I found by googling "gene wolfe horticulture"

>>15175868
>>15175680
It's actually Free Live Free, misread the page lol

>>15175876
>>15175680
as a warning anon free live free is utter shite and the "foreshadowing" doesn't work at all

>>15175868
I don't remember horticulture in Peace but I did read it long ago.

>>15173468
>I really want to talk about WoT
Go ahead. I could use a good laugh.

>>15175690

>>15175803
>Is it going to be like this for the rest of the book(s) as well?
Yes. It's picaresque far futurism, not post apocalyptic.

>>15175501
The girl sells, unlike some authors being worshiped here.

Anyone read this series?
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12157710-the-bohr-maker

Thinking of reading through it after i'm finished the book i'm currently reading.

>>15176121
bland capeshit movies sell too, doesnt mean its good

>>15176131
what's it about

>>15176164
Nanotech and life evolving beyond humans.

>>15176131
>nanotech
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

>>15176146
Apparently the vast masses think otherwise.

>>15176177
The masses made Coelho, Rowling and Dan Brown big. Fuck you.

>>15176298
I know it hurts always being the lonely outsider.
It's okay anon.

>>15176298
What is wrong with Coelho? Never read him, just keep hearing people saying he is bad without really elaborating further.

Why do people like like the Honor Harrington books? Honor feels like a OC donut steel and the setting is so clearly based on the strawman political opinions of the author that it's almost laughable, retarded revisionist history hot takes on British imperialism included.

>>15176177
how about some trigger discipline

>>15176490
People say that the earlier books are ok pulp stuff, and they like spaceships.
Pretty much everyone hate the later ones, though, since the become a mix of political caricatures and the author being lazy and copy and pasting whole chapters from earlier books.

>>15173947
Link goodreads account

>>15176490
It's alright to read Aubrey–Maturin fanfic in space for about two books before weber's shittiness as a writer starts to show through
I read the very mediocre Winds of Marque last year which also did the spaceships with sails gimmick and despite being not very good it still left me more inclined to carry on with its series did than 2 books Harrington did

>>15176528
I see no problem with trigger discipline.

>>15176490
I have no idea. The whole Navy in Spaceeeee shtick get's old fast.

>>15176612
When I think about it every single one of my fav series with a military protag take at most 3 books before they have that character either kicked out, off on their own or undercover. #

Even the ones that spend a whole book 1 training have the sense to end book 2 with the formal military phase over

>>15176683
Yeah most of military sci-fi is pretty shitty, with regards both to the quality of writing and the themes used.
The plucky underdog in the 18th century Space Navy not being allowed to show just how brilliant he is by his incompetent and/or corrupt superiors is a pretty annoying one (the space marines being the close second).
Fuck we have a bona fide Space Force created by no other than God-Emperor Trump and it already has no (and does not want to have) any kind of connection to the Navy whether it's organizational or cultural.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJEBgjQIekE&feature=youtu.be

>>15176414
Don't get me fucking started

>>15175803
yes and you should be drooling and thanking your god that you live in a society where you can read cool shit like Dying Earth fiction

>>15177296
Is it banned somewhere?

>>15169669
I just checked that out.
Are you trying to be cheeky?

>>15176350
Can you stop posting breasts on the fucking blue boards? You have a bunch of boards to post your boobslips to, why the fuck do you come to /lit/? Wasn't those couple weeks ban you had enough? Do you enjoy being banned?

>>15167764
Anita Blake

>>15177509
Wat?
I was never banned. I can't be here triggering you 24/7.
Running herd on a bunch of developers, during pandemic and from home I might add, is hard work and takes up a lot of my time.
Besides why does the sight of bosoms vex you so?

>>15177550
Now that's just mean.

>>15176543
>implying I would put anything on 4chins
Those fags in the OP goodreads group are from rebbit. No true oldfag would attach anything of theirs on 4chin.

>>15177416
You wanted non sparkling vamps, i gave you what you wanted. Whats the problem now? Use it or fuck off I don't care which.

>>15177629
>The greatest trick the First Vampire ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist.
Not to mention the author is being compared to Jim Butcher.
It just doesn't look good.

>>15177579
You post thots that have ZERO to do with whatever topic is being discussed, and you post nsfw shit on the blue board.
It's almost like you're avatarfagging... which is a bannable offense...

>>15177666
Then don't read it. And ask the same question until some anons report you for spamming.

>>15177668
>>15177695
I don't think your problem is going to be solved by running to the janny mommy every time your exceedingly fragile feelings are hurt.

>>15177768
>I can do whatever the fuck I want and no jannie trannie can stop me
>4chan is my playground and no one tells me what to do
>d-don't report me to the jannies, you some fag or something, real 4channers don't report
>please I can't be banned again I would hurt myself if I can't post

Just finished Mort, first Discworld novel I read. I think I overall enjoyed it, missed jokes and all.

What did you guys think of it?

>>15177937
A classic.

>>15177827
>>15177668
you "sound" (or can be read, who cares anyways) like the rare ones who are easily triggered, the ones who want to be something different they're right now, but they will never accomplished, because even passing it, they will never be like those FEMALE babes our dear /lit/izen post.

but anyways, there's something similar to the Instrumentality of Mankind saga of Cordwainer Smith?

>>15177937
Mort was great, but Discworld overall is a very mixed bag for me.

Why do you keep feeding the troll?

>>15177601
>putting any info about yourself anywhere
So that's why you won't link. Shouldn't have put your info on there in general. Mostly wanted proof of your 3k books read claim.

Gollancz published a paperback collection of R.A. Lafferty stories that I have been reading.

I was put off from reading him sooner because of his association with Gene Wolfe and Jack Vance; I thought Lafferty would be similarly hard work, and I'm a lazy reader. But I've been pleasantly surprised by the five or so stories I've read. They are meandering and unpredictable tall tales, but they are charming in a folksy way. Not the indulgent new wave twaddle I was expecting.

>>15178032
Which ones did you think were weaker?

>>15177981
Btw a while ago I asked if Mort was a good intro to Pratchett and I got told yes with that same image
If that was you anon thank you again

>>15178338
Probably. It is a series dear to my heart that I like to recommend.

>>15178366
Dope.
What do you think I should follow it up with? I bought Good Omens along with Mort because I had read some Sandman recently, but that's more of a joint work at best

>>15178293
I've been meaning to read him but I wouldn't know where to start because there's so many novellas?, short stories and a novel (Past Master).
>Jack Vance
>hard work
huh?

>>15178424
Guards! Guards! or start on and get through the books up to and including Thief of Time. Or whatever.
Good Omens is ok as well, though it is somewhat dated with the references.

Pls answer >>15169111 any high fantasy short stories worth reading?

Why Hyperion is so good and the sequels are shit /lit/?

>>15178830
Use the archive and search for the hundreds of answers to this popular question.

>>15178769
>high fantasy
>short stories
High fantasy is shit, and this isn't the 70s, where the fuck you going with short stories?

>>15177134
>Don't get me fucking started
I know I am late, but why? What is wrong with him?

>>15167764
Necroscope

Perhaps the one thing I hate in every fantasy book ever are the "guards"
Nameless, useless, incompetent, fodder. Why are guards always so shitty? Why are they portrayed in a bad light every time?

>>15179416
The original low intelligence labor.
You wouldn't have a guard that's well read as they'd be put to better use.

>>15179416
Because you aren't reading Discworld.

>>15171922
>>15171922
>Alissa Nutting

>>15178769
Yes, but they are going to be in collections, anthologies, and magazines.

>>15178769
George RR Martin has some short story collections from his early days.

I've been reading Warhammer 40k lately. I've read the Ciaphas Cain Trilogy and I've started Horus Heresy. I'm already in the mood to work out to be like a Primarch and kill heretics and mutants down the street.

>>15179416
Have you seen guards irl? They sit at their desk and try to get up as little as possible. We have a guard anon in the general who says that he uses his time at work to listen to audiobooks.
You want fantasy guards to be some black special ops persons? Guards in fantasy is the same as irl, regular persons who wants to make a living. You think they gonna train and be fit to protect your goods?

>>15171922
>the stand
I think Stephen King has a cuck fetish. He always writes about some older woman with a younger guy. I wonder if he is writing about what he wished to see his wife do.

>>15180156

Not everything comes down to a fetish jfc

>>15168320
Sure, Crash is a good place to start too

>>15168205
>He didn't read The Night Land

>>15176146
>doesnt mean its good
It does mean it's good enough to be paid for though.

>>15180317
>Not everything comes down to a fetish
Shows what you know. Life is a fetish. Anything you like or get satisfaction from is a fetish.

What a douche.

>>15180362
Pic needs a watcher, or house of silence or something

>>15165232
How is Sanderson a hack?

>>15173468
I just finished a re-read yesterday. I love how it ends but I really dislike Perrin and Faile throughout the Malden arc. Neither really develops in a meaningful way.

>>15180709
>Pic needs a watcher, or house of silence or something
Watcher of the North and a pile of barbecued Hounds

>>15180362
Is this any good?

Any recs on technological singularity or something in spirit of Serial Experiments Lain

>>15179382
>Necroscope
Brian Lumley's work?
I truid it, along with few other books of his but the writing just didn't hold my attention.

>>15179416
Where's the boob plate?
What a missed opportunity.

>>15181009
>technological singularity
I found that every book dealing with the nerd rapture, that I tried reading was pretty bad.

>>15180377
It means the masses are absolutely retarded and those books are good at abusing that fact.

>>15180782
You mean besides the 100 points that are made in this general monthly? Check the archives, buddy.

What do you guys think about Dune? Worth reading or overrated?

>>15181241
>It means the masses are absolutely retarded
The issue is always with others, isn't it?
It's never you.

>>15181248
Nigga trolling is supposed to be subtle.

>>15180920
Jesus mother fuck, no wonder Simmons called the monster that.

>>15181250
Ah yes, it is not the Twilight-reading, Dan Brown-loving masses not having the intellectual capacity to tackle complex works or understand how delayed gratification works. A person reading Sanderson is surely just as intelligent as one reading Goethe...
Cope more.

>>15181248
>Worth reading or overrated?

both is the only correct answer

>>15167467
stupid coomer

>>15178323
I didn't like Small Gods, way overhyped. I'm going to drop books sooner if I keep reading Discworld.

>>15180317
It does in Fantasy lol

>>15181698

>>15180678
What's the problem Christcuck? Don't like people speaking bad of your head boy molester(the pope) and his goons?

>>15181425
You're pretentious as fuck.

>>15182181
Hey, at least I am not a brainlet hugo tranny like you. Just get a trip already, because now you clutter the thread with your coping, misdirecting any attempt at constructivity towards namecalling. Fucking disgusting; how can someone be so insecure about what they read that they feel the need to belittle anyone who reads challenging books, someone who puts effort intro appreciating non-surface elements of a story, someone who realized that a writer who put their soul, their life into a book deserves more respect than someone who pumps out a 800 page book every year, designed to appeal to as many people as possible, so they can maximize their earnings...
Popular = good? Seriously, just kill yourself. I have probably already told you this, but you have no idea just how intensely I despise you - in fact your escapist garbage has numbed your empathy enough that you can in all likelihood barely feel anything beyond small dopamine fluctuations.
Filtered.

>>15180678
No lies detected

>>15182289
>hugo tranny
Jesus fuck. You are calling everyone a hugo tranny that doesn't drink the kool aid with you. I don't read hugo books, I read for my enjoyment. I'm not listening to a bunch of dusty fossils telling me which book is worth reading.
Go fuck yourself.

>>15182289
>Fucking disgusting; how can someone be so insecure about what they read that they feel the need to belittle anyone who reads... books,
Oh, the irony. I love 4chan for the keks.

>>15182416
Don't worry. He's a /pol/ Christcuck who puts a man above him as infallible. He probably got fucked as an altar boy and wants that closer feeling to god again.

>>15182733
It's kinda funny because the only actual discussion here about the hugo noms has been the gideon botm, one guy mentioning light brigade and like 3 of us vaguely mentioning having read Arkady Martine

>>15182289
>hugo tranny
Can people stop replying to this retard? He is obviously a retarded /pol/faggot.

>>15182784
t. hugo tranny

>avoid these threads for months
>come back and they are worse then they've ever been
What the fuck happened?

>>15183101
every single time we have a bad saturday/sunday thread it rolls over into the whole week
also kids aren't in school

I loved BotNS - any other fantasy books with a "insanely far future" premise? Ideally no magic (as least not beyond the "magic" of BotNS).

>>15183101
I'm wondering the same thing man, quality really seems to have dropped. Lots more trolling or just really bizarre off-topic conversation.

>>15181248
It's overrated but worth a read. I think it's a good intro to scifi because throughout the course of the book it adopts a lot of different directions and themes to direct future scifi recommendations

>>15183124
>kids
>browsing a board for books
Pick one.

>>15183139
Outer/lit/ is the most 16 year old board on all of 4chan lol

>>15176490
i read about 100 pages of this and i have no idea how anyone could like these books, especially when they tell me first few are the good ones

Is Guy Gavriel Kay any good? He's recommended incessantly on reddit so I'm a bit dubious as to the claims.

>>15183134
Vance's Dying Earth, Moorcock's Dancers at the End of Time, probably lots of others... Even Saberhagen's Book of Swords IIRC is in the post apocalyptic very far future though it doesn't really have anything to do with the plot.

>>15165174
Science fiction is a garbage genre but fantasy is one of the best ones

>>15183202
yes

>>15182908
based

>>15183101
Like one or two dedicated anons came from reddit, discord or wherever they lived till now, and started posting nonsense like (and I shit you not, this is actually what he says):
- The more popular a book is, the better it is.
- Readers are tired of an old male perspective and hence they want to read women
- Hugoes are a great award

Anyway, this time I done interacting with the brainlet(s) (who pretends to be more than 2 guys despite the fact that I have been posting similar opinions about Hugoes, contemporary literature, diversity, etc., ever since the general was created and always got almost exclusively positive responses, meaning he's just one or two newfags), and I will probably only post a thready warning from now on. He has continuously refused to engage in any sort of a constructive discussion, or give any kind of argumentation at all for his stances, instead opting to call me and others "pretentious" or outright ignore us.
Fucking faggot thinking he can come to this general and insult pretty much every writer that has been enjoyed here for years by calling them "dad tier" and "fossils" and force me to read Dan Brown and The Geek Feminist Revolution (an actual book by a writer he called "will be a classic for sure" and gave as an example of what makes contemporary speculative fiction better than it has ever been).
Congratulations hugo tranny, you win - I won't humour you anymore.

Why the fuck does this dino keep talking about dan brown in a sff thread

Xianxia readers should I read I Shall Seal the Heavens or Renegade Immortal first?
Decided to take a pause on A Will Eternal at the end of part 1 and go back to the author's older works.

I've now read every Iain M Banks and want a recommendation for similar. Really enjoyed the dystopian utopia of Bank's world building and the dark humour in the characters. The Minds were a great addition too.
(I've read Peter F Hamilton, Niel Asher, Great Bear, Alastair Reynolds). Joe Abercrombie in space would be great.

>>15183349
You could try Luna: New Moon, it hits bits of most of the authors mentioned but it is more of a distinct dystopia.

>>15183369
Author's quote from the wiki page:
"Enid, my partner, was watching TV, the new version of Dallas ... My book is Dallas on the moon"
Well now ...

>>15183411
He said that to try and distance himself from the "game of thrones on the moon" comparions it immediately got lol

Are the books after "second foundation" in the foundation series worth reading? I thought the end of second foundation was extremely solid and I'm wondering if there's actually anywhere they can take the story after.

>>15183426
GoT is just Dallas without 80s fake tits anyway. Although I really enjoyed the books. Looks to be a good combo.
Thanks friendo, will give it a try.

>>15183498
You might or might not like them. I don't think they're anywhere near as good. They came after a long time off and have a message that sort of creeped me out. But not so bad that I'd tell you not to read them. I'd definitely read the Galactic Empire books and the robot detective books before going any farther into the foundation series itself.

I also loved the ending to Second Foundation.

>>15183411
Holy shit, GoT being the new Dallas is 100% accurate

>>15183258
Get a grip son, you keep writing up these thousand character long replies no one reads because you have a paranoid one sided war with some imaginary foe on an anonymous forum

>>15181248
It can be both. Only overly sensitive idiots think overrated is the same as bad.

>>15183139
>kids
>not the biggest group of delusional pseuds

>>15183258
You sound Mad Online

I have looked far and wide and I was not able to find any vampire novel worth reading. It's hiding somewhere out there and I will find it.
But in the mean time I fired up VtM: Coteries of New York and I do hope it has the Cathedral of Flesh in it.
What can I say - I am not pleased with myself but desperate times require desperate measures (like playing a glorified VN).
Also I just started playing XCOM: Chimera Squad, with my multicultural, multispecies, multi everything squad killing the shit out those nasty human supremacists who are out to get those poor ADVENT aliens who were turning humans into goo.
It's all so tiresome.
So what are you guys reading?

>>15185669
> So what are you guys reading?
Vampires for Brainlets by Anne Rice

>>15185717
>Anne Rice
Oh you're gay.
I am so sorry.

>>15185734
Inability to detect humor/sarcasm is either a sign of low intelligence or autism, Vampanon

>>15185669
Coldfire Trilogy has the best vampire of all time.

Also can anyone recommend some other "medieval fantasy has emerged after the fall of a futuristic civilization" books? I really like that trope.

Anyone else like the trashy series that is Gor?

>>15186070
Quick run down on Black Sun Rising? It's on my backlog.

>>15186193
Earth became overpopulated so they sent out space colonists who were eventually forced to land on a planet where magic responds to emotions, which created monsters and even an entirely new race

the magic caused them to lose all their technology, and over a thousand years or so, they eventually developed a religion that is trying to kill the world's magic with monotheism, a concept that will either overload and kill the magic or consume all of the magic to create a monotheistic god

the main character is a priest of this religion and he is forced to team up with the founder of the religion who betrayed the movement by using magic to become a vampire

>>15186267
Thanks. It sounds fairly interesting. I was planning on starting The Aspect Emperor but maybe I'll try a new series first.

>>15185669
Fevre Dream is a great vampire book.
But it is set in the antebellum south and probably has some commentary on slavery and racism, so if you are a snowflake you might get triggered by it.

>>15186070
>"medieval fantasy has emerged after the fall of a futuristic civilization" books?
The Empire of the East and the Book of Swords by Fred Saberhagen
The History of the Runestaff
Darksword
The Horseclans
they aren't as good as Coldfire tho

>>15183498
Foundation gets worse with every book after Second Foundation. It doesn't get outright terrible, but I would have preferred Second Foundation as the finale

>>15183609
What? Don't you want to be forced into a hive mind? It's for your own good!

>>15186643
Yeah, after embracing a lifetime of optimistic American can-do spirit the inner Russian Jew wins out and you will eat the bugs and be absorbed.

>>15186070
>>15186434
>The Empire of the East
Elephant! I read this ages ago and couldn't say if it was actually good but it really stuck with me.

>>15183258
I've been calling boring dated books by dinos, fossils for years, and your crude oil loving ass isn't going to make me stop.
You're probably the dusty tomme fag that people ignore. Just because people aren't calling you a faggot doesn't mean they agreed with you.

>>15187123
Post good new books

>>15187142
Not that anon, but for me it's The Poppy War.

>>15187265
I will try it, thanks.

any good post-capitalist scifi?

>>15186757
>and couldn't say if it was actually good
It wasn't lol but it had that giant beast dog fighting against a giant demon lord so it had some cool moments

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