/lit/ - Literature

>>15167454
Socrates btfo all pagans and Athenians seethed so hard at Socrates (rightly) calling out polytheism/retarded religion and their sophist politicians that they killed him for heresy.

In apology, it was the first time Socrates was to court or convicted of a crime. They couldn’t even decide if Socrates was an atheist or bringing a new pantheon. Showing that they were insecure of their persecution. But they still wanted to get rid of him.

>Socrates dindu nuffin he wuz a good boi he went every Sunday to the temple and smoked weed
>das tyranny man

>>15167482
How the fuck did he btfo pagans if he proved his belief in the same silly shit they did only so he could fuck with Meletus one last time before he goes?

>>15167454
>But now the time has come to go away. I go to die, and you to live; but which of us goes to the better lot, is known to none but God
Which is this quote from again? I looked for it the other day but couldn't find it.

>>15167700
Ever googled you geek?

>>15167713
You gave yourself the trouble of replying but not answering my question... Is it really so difficult?

>>15167735
Its from the Apology dude

>>15167749
Ok thx

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>>15167685
The soul that Socrates believed in is much different from the mythology of the time.

I like the end of Euthyphro where the dude starts to panic because Socrates is about to steer the conversation into dangerously heretical territory.

>>15167482
Not to mention he followed in pythagoras s foot steps and hated beans (fags).

>>15167685
This was just like when Ted Bundy told that reporter porn made him do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfwJeHtrWNI
Psychopaths like Socrates get a rise out of toying with others when they're caught red-handed. He was making all of that up to get some laughs before he was (rightfully) executed.

>>15167482
This. Not saying it was necessarily a good thing, but Socrates ushered in the slow death of paganism as a worldview.

I personally think he was justifiably sentenced. A change from seeing people as parts of a community to individual moral entities.

Does it count as suicide if he willingly drank his death sentence?

>>15168898
Socrates is the ultimate chad. He didn't go out crying like a bitch.

>The extant sources agree that Socrates was profoundly ugly, resembling a satyr more than a man—and resembling not at all the statues that turned up later in ancient times and now grace Internet sites and the covers of books. He had wide-set, bulging eyes that darted sideways and enabled him, like a crab, to see not only what was straight ahead, but what was beside him as well; a flat, upturned nose with flaring nostrils; and large fleshy lips like an ass. Socrates let his hair grow long, Spartan-style (even while Athens and Sparta were at war), and went about barefoot and unwashed, carrying a stick and looking arrogant. He didn’t change his clothes but efficiently wore in the daytime what he covered himself with at night. Something was peculiar about his gait as well, sometimes described as a swagger so intimidating that enemy soldiers kept their distance. He was impervious to the effects of alcohol and cold weather, but this made him an object of suspicion to his fellow soldiers on campaign.

>>15168909
Except when he cried all about his wrongful judgement.

>>15168916
Fucking hell, he even had the Chad Stride

>>15168685
How so? It seems more like a restatement of a fairly conservative notion that you can find elsewhere.

>>15168916
The ending makes him sound like an actual satyr.

>>15168825
Porn did make him do it. It rots the souls. You hate Platon and the truth which is why you want to kill them. You are the sociopath and you might kill the messenger but truth will never die no matter how you hate it.

>>15169143
>truth will never die no matter how you hate it.
Yeah, the truth that the greeks were pretty gay will never die indeed.

>>15169162
The ancient greek masses were sodomites and Platon and Socrātes rebuked them. That's why they were reviled and hated. Platon says in numerous dialogues the insanity of lust and explicitly condemns sodomy in Laws.

>>15168916
>Alcibiades wanted to get banged by this

>>15168924
Kek

>>15169265
Turns out "just b ur self bro" works when you are Socrates

>>15169234
Imagine believing this shit hahahaha

>>15169297
t. malaka

Stop humiliating yourself, loser. We've got plenty of instances of male lovers even in Plato's works.
>b-but the original text doesn't say homosexuality
it doesn't, but Plato is precisely referencing the Tyrannicides and the fact that despotic governments hated male lovers because of these two lovers who attempted to thwart the athenian tiranny
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmodius_and_Aristogeiton

Also here's a full list of fag relationships, try to disprove them, revisionist moron.
https://www.boywiki.org/en/Historical_boylove_relationships_in_ancient_Greece

>>15169405
I'm convinced that the greeks were actually homos and my life was a lie. I'm going to leave this board forever and off myself because I'm a total fucking faggot who doesn't belong with /lit/ intellectuals. Goodbye.

>>15169405
That is a fake quote in your image. The one in the former image is from Laws and is clearly real. The rest of your argument is cope by sickos with interpretive lisence (DUDE YOU SEE HISTORIANS THINK THIS DUDE WAS A MASSIVE HOMOPHOBE SO THATS WHY PLATO MUST HAVE SAID THIS LET ME PUBLISH THIS PSEUD THEORY IN MY QUEER STUDIES JOURNAL) and deliberate mistranslation of the word love to imply romantic and sexual connections which clearly isn't what Platon meant.

Also
>boywiki

Platon would have had sodomites executed in his Republic.

>>15169349
Read symposium vlakadi

>>15169440
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1600/1600-h/1600-h.htm
you're a fucking moron

>>15169460
>reading translations
never was gonna make it in the first place. sodomite cope.

>>15169405
Plato didn't say this. This quote was a part of Phaedrus's speech, recorded by Plato in the Symposium. Plato wasn't even there.

>>15169482
>doesn't know Plato used his characters as mouthpieces
i can't even

>>15169477
The quote was out of context and deliberately misconstrued so as to give an endorsement of the vile practice of men having 'sex' with men. You're the moron.

>>15169488
TIL that Plato agreed with Thrasymachus

>>15169496
this is what grasping at straws look like

>>15169488
>all characters are his mouthpiece
Wrong. The fact that he contradicts this in Laws is proof that Phaedreus was not Plato or representative of his thought.

>>15169506
>TIL
go back to r/christianity

>>15169511
>this is what projecting looks like

>>15169522
Yeah i'm pretty sure that all his dialogues about his friends nodding a hundreds times at him were totally realistic dialogues.
>>15169527
You can cope all you want but it won't change the fact that bisexuality was the norm in the ancient world.

>>15169530
It was the norm which is why Plato rebuked it.

>>15169539
>rebukes it in 2 dialogues out of dozens of dialogues
>all that lusting after Allcibiades was just a prank lol
cope

>>15169550
>a sick mind seeing sick things
cope. you better get some spiroacotone or kill yourself, sodomite.

>>15169589
>incel
>not a sick mind
you're so fucking sad

>>15169615
>nooooo you must be an incel if you hate sodomy

>>15169628
I said that in another thread, only a fucking sperglord would seethe so hard at other people's sexual preferences.

>>15169506
Thrasymachus and Callices were spot on. Socrates just threw a bunch of spooks and then ranted about an afterlife divine punishment (doesn't exist).

>>15169460
Socrates' speech in Symposium is anti-homosexuality. The pro- one is from a different guy, Euryximachus or something.

>>15169641
>its just a preference bro not a gross insult against nature impelled by my slavery to pleasure

>>15169440
It's real but not from Socrates' speech. Plato generally used Socrates to portray his own ideas.

>>15169550
It is Alcibiades that lusts after Socrates, who in turn rebukes him.

>>15169234
>Platon and Socrātes

>>15169830
Heh heh funny meme image

>>15169830
seething bugman homo