/lit/ - Literature

threadly reminder that this MC is a faggot and everyone should know how much i hate him
>>15147246

Sanderfag a hack
Hugoes a scam
Reddit bad
E William Brown a fuck.

>>15147472
And to think we could have had a cool image in the OP.

Oh come on tranny janny.
You'll never be a woman but there is no reason to be such a fag.

>>15147693
The faggot who jannies /sffg/ is the worst on /lit/. He once banned me for "trolling" just because he disagreed with my opinion. Pure power-tripping.
I used the n-word in that post, so I would understand a racism ban, but trolling? Seriously? I actually gave some constructive recommendations in that post...

the master....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6HOdHEeosc

>>15147531
>E William Brown a fuck
based

>>15147720
>>15147693
I know you newfags were used to getting your way and thinking 4chen is the wild west without rules. But it has rules (read them sometime).
Also, it's the users who report , the janny checks the report cue, and ignores or acts if it's warranted. Remember you can report low quality posts too.
You polfags always breaks the rules then cries about the bad jannies afterwards. Just because we didn't have an active janny and you had free reign doesn't mean you were in the right.

Is Michael Andre-Driussi's Lexithon Urthan going to increase my enjoyment of BotNS? Emphasis on enjoyment. Also did he write a similar interpretation of The Fifth Head of Cerberus?

>>15147693
You posted a nsfw image in a blue board, then behave shocked when it's deleted? He should have banned your ass. I bet you're the patreon simp thot poster, who posts all the nudes of skanks he bought on the internet. Please be ban evading so they can ban you permanently. You bring absolutely nothing to this general. You don't even read, you just post thots and talk about how the OP image should have naked thots in them.

ESL cucck using muh pol,here you go faggot im not one of those guys you're relying to but look what boards i visit

>>15148063
I have been on /lit/ since before the general, retard, only ever got banned for correct reasons, never this catch-all I-disagree-with-you power-tripping "troll". I would sometimes get deleted for mild racism and other things, but never banned for the incorrect reason.

If I don't troll I shouldn't get banned for trolling, and you are in the wrong if I am. Want to ban me for saying the n-word once? I am not even a racist, but sure. But don't you fucking dare to tag it as trolling.

>>15147693
stupid cuck

>>15148093
>calls someone esl when they can't even spell reply and capitalize their pronouns
Sure bud. If you're not one of the pollies I was "relying" to, why you so butthurt? Why you edited your frequently visited boards to take out /pol/ and screen shot it? What was the point of your post?

>>15147862
Cool. I watched a lecture series of his from a few years back.

>>15148107
Using the n word out of /b/ is a bannable offense, depending on how you used it, it could be considered as trolling. Which is also a bannable offense outside of /b/.
I've been on /lit/ since 2010, I don't know why waving our dick to see who has been here the longest matters, but okay.

>>15148203
Nigger, please.

>>15148203
I am not sure in what context saying that word could be considered troll, but I assure you, the context in debate is not one of those contexts.
Also whether or not using a fucking word automatically makes you a racist is debatable, but you have been culturally conditioned to be unable to hold an intelligent conversation about that, so I am not gonna engage the topic

TOR is doing downloads of the Martha Wells Murderbot series.

it sounds stupid, but is it any good?

>>15148203
Fuck off nigger

Alright, I'll read this. the title sounds relevant.

>>15148203
You have to go back nigger.

>>15148203
Go suck a Nigger, nigger

>>15148297
I read the first one and it was kind of meh. Not bad but nothing to rave about. If you have the time check the first title.

>>15148297
dont do it to yourself if you dont lkie sjw shit

So have you guys stumbled upon something interesting? Sci-fi preferably.
And pls no redditors.

>>15148244
>but you have been culturally conditioned to be unable to hold an intelligent conversation
Yea. Using the n word in a conversation /debate really shows you're intelligence, /pol/.

>>15148638
>Using the n word
Can't you just man up and say nigger.

>>15148652
Don't feel like being banned/deleted.

>>15148674
Banned/deleted? This is not fucking reddit.
Plus it seems that the only reason you won't play with the rest of us is the fear of punishment.
Stop being such a fucking coward nigger.

>>15148674
How new are you, I never got banned for using the word nigger or any other facial slur for that matter. Nobody cares, maybe one person in a thousand gets banned by a newfaggot mod that can't adjust to site culture.
inb4 I get a ban for "complaining about moderation"

>>15148565
Sub-Human by David SIMPson

>>15148674
ode to niggers
nigger nigger black as night
nigger nigger shooting crack
nigger nigger you should die
o nigger please die.

>>15148638
Being unable to communicate in anything but short, sarcastic messages doesn't really show YOU ARE intelligence either, reddit.
Saying nigger is like saying faggot; doesn't make me smart, but it doesn't make me arcist or homophobic either - I just like the sound of the word. It was the accepted term for centuries, before Americans started screeching, decided to make the word illegal, and popularized other words that mean the exact same thing.
Your inability to actually, for a second, engage in introspection, or at least a constructive argument is exactly what I am talking about. You did not reply with a well thought-out argument why using such terms is a bad thing, just a worthless piece or normie-tier sarcasm.

>>15148302
>>15148493
>>15148495
>>15148652
Based and revolutionary

>>15148707
Correct, fuck that new retard who got his powers like 6 or so months ago, never had a worse janitor.

>>15148712
>Sub-Human by David SIMPson
>suborbital paratrooper
>strong Artificial Intelligence
>post-human

That doesn't sound all that good but thank you for the recommendation. Here's a gamer girl for your trouble.

Stop getting baited guys hes not even trying to hide it,unless hes actually mentally deranged tumblrina who somehow ended up here.

>>15148707
I was new since snacks was around. The mods are fickle, they enforce the rules randomly. Things have changed from back in the day when you were banned and couldn't even see posts, it's probably easy to ban evade these days and use a proxy, but I'm not doing shit from my /b/ days outside of containment. That's how the ponyfags and new/polfags got quarantined in their own hell.

>>15148698
It's always funny watching rebbit users come here and think it's open season. They always exposed themselves by saying "it's not redbit".

>>15148740
I think he was saying that you are a subhuman simp, but maybe I'm reading that wrong.

>>15148812
Oh I think so too... I have no idea where this hostility towards me and these hard working girls I post come from. I just try to be polite.
Poor anon.

>>15148203
You nigger !

Guys, I don't know if you have this problem, but I reschedule reading books because I feel this part of my life will be associated with the memories of the book and tarnish them when I will look back.

>>15148796
So what you are saying is that I broke free from all the social conditioning over yonder on "rebbit" and came here, to this land of plenty, where people call each other nigger all the time without being punished harshly and that like all new converts, I am trying too hard to blend in?
Is that what you are saying you double nigger?

>>15148066
no you should go into the book blind and figure it yourself. It's not that hard honestly.

>>15148723
Are you that faggot from the last thread that is looking for deeply thought out responses on 4chan? No one got time for that. When you respond lengthily, the low iq don't read fags spam your post with misinterpretations. It's better to condense your points as much as possible with enough kick to end them in one post. Don't go on writing a dissertation to cover some minor shit. I know the quarantine has got your forever alone ass yearning for some company or interaction, but you should have made friends irl before this pandemic you could have turned to, instead of looking for it in an anonymous forum.

>>15148906
I would like to read long, well-thought out posts that clearly show passion. It has nothing to with lack of social contact (which seems to have made you unreasonably bitter btw) and all with the fact that is /lit.
/lit not /pol or /v or whatever.
That kind of attitude of yours (which is shared by many here) is why we can't have nice things.

>>15148862
Yes.

>>15148941
Oh well you are wrong.
The only thing I use reddit for is wallstreetbets and more obscure varieties of porn.

>waahh this board which was undermodded for years finally got a mod because of all the pol christ and philosocucks shitting it up (more than usual) for the past year +
>wahh they are actually enforcing the rules fuck the jannies
>waahhh I wanna do shit that belongs in other boards on /lit/ because people will actually see them and I will get noticed unlike in real life
That's what I read in this thread so far.

>>15148985
But trolling is supposed to be subtle.

Out of curiosity, is there any publisher or store that releases DRM free books?

>>15149029
*ebooks

>>15148985
>Malaysian Cow Petting Forum is populated by petulant children that endlessly bitch and complain about everything from behind a thinly veiled façade of detached irony

Holy shit why did I not know this?

>>15148906
Oh, the irony

>>15148936
Based

There are like 3 or so faggots who keep writing lengthy posts, mostly reviews, and it is their effort which I appreciate the most on /sffg/. I can assure them that as long as they continue making intelligent, and in-depth posts, they will at least have one reader who takes the time to understand their point.

>>15148985
>wahh they are actually enforcing the rules fuck the jannies
No, they're misinterpreting the rules, or sometimes outright ignoring them.

>>15149029
Library genesis is pretty DRM-free, ngl

How does 'I have no mouth and I must scream' compare to the game? Is it Ellison's only worthwhile book/collection/short story?

>>15149029
Just pirate them like all of us.

>>15149152
It's a short story, you can make your own judgement pretty quickly. All of his short stories are based.

>>15149029
Every book I got from libgen or b-ok was DRM-free. Honestly though just look it up, some publishers sell DRM-free e-books, on Amazon the books that have something "multiple devices" in description are DRM-free. Another way is to look up some tools to get rid of DRM.

Is the Uplift series any good? I've been reading about the setting and it sounds really interesting.
Alternatively, what are some other novels with good world building? I can read in English or French.

>>15148894
Oh I've already read it twice, I just wanted to really understand everything that happened and really appreciate the piece

>read BotNS, Peace, Wizard Knight
>decide that Wolfe is one of the greatest of all time
>give some of his short stories a look
>they are fucking awful
How does this happen? How can someone be so good at writing novels but so bad at writing short stories? Even the ones people say are good are mediocre at best.

>>15148959
SuRe You dO

>>15149649
I'm surprised the monkey didn't have eyes like the ayyy or the armoured dolphins.

>>15150042
Same reason Poe, Howard, Lovecraft and Ellison were great at short fiction but their novels are bad.

Are there any fantasy books with minimalist prose?

>>15150430
yes

>read this
>think of the Hounds from Malazan
awoo~

>>15147472
Why is the floating head from the astro boy gba game trying to eat the sun?

>>15150667
Fuck off weeb.

>>15150793
Art.

>>15150042
I loved Tracking Song and Seven American Nights, but yeah the much, much shorter ones left me a little dissatisfied.

>>15150804
Imagine the day when weird science becomes a reality, and I'm able to scan that figurine and make an obedient sex fiend that can have conversations.

>>15148565
Sci-fi? Gotchu anon. Look up Daniel Suarez.

>>15150892
Would it not be easier to just, you know, get a girlfriend? Preferably of the opposite gender.

>>15149029

If you can't buy them right now, download TOR and go to libgen. That website changed my life.

>>15150804
Any pics of an upskirt?

>>15150978
Real women sex drives are unpredictable. Sometimes they are hot and don't care if you bugger them in front of their parents, sometimes they are cold and don't want to be touched, and you have to jump through hoops to put them in the mood. I want an always on sex fiend that can think and talk. Can't wait till Japan makes AI sexdolls. I wouldn't have to put up with the bs girls spew out just to get to stick my dick in their wet walls.

>>15150995
How do you browse book categories at libgen? I don't want to search each title.

>>15151040
Search one of the books, and then look near the right hand side of the screen for the Publisher column, and click on it, it will show a list of books on the site from that publisher.

There may be multiple spellings of the name of the author/publisher so check for that

>>15150973
>Daniel Suarez
I just looked him up. Sci-fi thrillers about AI are not my cup of tea (maybe cuz I work in software development) but I'll check it out.
Thanks.

>>15150978
That's a trap, and "her" "vulva" is it's ballsack. Convincing though, almost had me.

>look at goodread's most read fantasy list
>look at goodread's most read sci-fi list
Both lists are full of find-a-gf or find-a-bf novels placed in a fantasy or sci-fi setting. WTF...

>>15151040

I don't think you can. You're better off searching by titles or authors. You'll get the hang of it. Sometimes there are different filetypes: you can read .pdf anywhere, while .epub (apple ibooks) and .mobi (amazon kindle) might require a specific software.

>>15151036
>Any pics of an upskirt?
I have no idea.

>>15151036
>Can't wait till Japan makes AI sexdolls.
Smh senpai, baka.

>>15151082
That just a photo of a real girl. No need to be scared.
Now this is a dude.

>>15151077
His books are definitely worth reading if you like that sort of stories. Start with Daemon and you'll know what i mean.

>>15151091
it's synced to kindle so the most popular stuff is inevitably free/kindle unlimited stuff that people just press a star rating on when they've finished it

>>15151129
>RECS https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
>CHAT https://discord.gg/KWPCM7m
OP is truly a faggot.

>>15151091
Everyone is lonely and want a significant other.
Also sex sells. It's why hold-your-wood and the music industry is surviving. Put a "hot"(subjective) female in front of a camera and they rake in money from sad fucks who feel that if they buy their goods the girl will fall in love with them. The same shit is happening with camgirls, beta simps feel they would get a chance if they donated more money to them.
Books have just been doing it to your imagination instead of your visual cortex. They write all the things you love, you fall in love with the "waifu", then continually spend money to "have her one more time".
Ever wondered how Emma Watson blew up when she couldn't really act and wasn't that attractive? The Hairy Potter simps had a face to attach their obsession to after reading the books, and just latched onto her. Same shit with Radcliff, my friend actually resembles Daniel and he gets mad pussy because the girls can imagine they are fucking Daniel himself.

tl;dr muh dick

>>15151082
You're right. Look at the shoulders and man feet. Also the tranny angle to hide Adam's apple.

If your eyesight is not good, ebooks are a godsend. I adjusted the font size, background color and screen brightness so that reading doesn't stress my eyes anymore. I was finally able to read three books last week alone.

>>15151181
>tl;dr muh dick
Totally agree. Also fun movie with Daniel.

On another note, did anyone read anything interesting?

Based.

>>15150973
>>15151077
>Daniel Suarez
Is a Mexican racecar driver.

>>15151128
I'll check it out.

>>15151205
Ai caramba!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Suarez_(author)

>>15151199
I think someone from 4chan wrote the script for that movie.

I'm trying chinkshit atm. Someone shilled beginning after the end and it's enjoyable so far. Kinda whacky but entertaining and i need the distraction from life right now.

>>15151203
Is that a conan knock off?

I finally bit the cyberpunk pill and finished Neuromancer and, man, what a ride. If only hardboiled fiction was just as hypnotic and not riddled with shitty intrigues and cliches from a thousand movies I'd never run out of shit to read.
I hadn't felt this hooked by the rhythm of American prose since discovering DeLillo.

>>15148480
It was a fun read. Will read more.

>>15151270
Always

>>15151359
I had no idea Juan Gimenez passed away.

In an intensive novel class right now, and I'm at the end of a 70,000 word scifi novel. I think I have something pretty good (relatively) but I have two long chapters that are slow and tedious,, while the rest is fairly fast paced and action orientated. Is there any reason why i should keep the world building chapters that may put the reader off, in favor of throwing them into a novel that is purely action orientated?

>>15151732
Break up the world building throughout the novel. People like being confused as long as it comes together eventually, makes them feel smart when they finally get it.

See: Wolfe

>>15151810
thanks

check out my post /sff/riends >>15151942

>>15151955
Stormlight archives.

>>15151992
no

>>15151270
No. It's an anthology of short stories.

>>15152000
The tower by Stephen King
Ready Player One
Blood meridian

>>15152116
>The tower by Stephen King
yup

>>15151732
>keep the chapters
>throwing them in
What exactly is the difference between these 2 options? Both sound exactly the same.

Imo the worst thing a fast paced book can have is digressions in the middle of the action. I've read battles interrupted by 2 or 3 paragraphs about the lore of some battle banner or the backstory of some bullshit stuff, or how a particular battle formation reminded the character of the waves of the sea near his childhood home (the writer being a hack trying to be poetic).

Another issue is how a chapter with frantic action is followed by a PoV switch, usually with long world building expositions by some asshole omni narrator who's basically the writer waving his dick around and screaming look how IMAGINATIVE I AM. I find these boring because the world itself is boring or it's described in a boring manner. Some manage to do it right and some don't. I find most lore in SF books to be too alien and pretentious (in scale or importance) which makes these abrupt changes in pace a chore to read through.

>>15149152

Ellison wrote 1,700 or so short stories and 1,685 of them are total crap. He was the human equivalent of the million monkeys banging on typewriters. He has enough to fill a collection and a half of really good ones. Be careful buying, a lot of the collections for sale are one good story, plus a bunch of garbage.

>>15149649
The first book is mediocre and can be skipped without causing confusion for the later books. I really enjoyed Startide Rising and the Uplift War.
There's a second trilogy, too, which is an actual trilogy, but I have mixed feelings about it

>>15151359
His prose is good, but the plot does leave something to be desired.

What fantasy book should I read as a 29 year old virgin?

>>15153157
If you want squirrel girls check out the godking legacy.

Just read Rage of Dragons, partly because i've unironically never read a book by a black person that isnt either blatant or thinly veiled muh racism shit and it was pretty based. Some cheesy moments but the world is pretty interesting, the characters and based and the plot is good. Overall a very solid genre fiction book, I recc it.

>>15153660
>what if I steal Dragon Ball's time chamber but you die all the time like in All you need is Kill / Edge of tomorrow
The book is fun but it's a pastiche of cool things.
I think the guy will run out of ideas and the second book will be utter shit or even more cliched.

>>15153689
i could definitely see that happening, although I'll read it on the off chance that its good. Its just nice to find a new book that I actually enjoy reading. Pretty based that he included a sex scene too.

Thoughts on Hiraeth Publishing?

>>15148565
>>15147693
Terrible trad gf cosplay. The makeup is too heavy. A trad wife would use minimal makeup. Also, something is off with her face, like perhaps plastic surgery or something. But then again, that might the effects of the uncanny makeup.

Slightly mad, being honest here, but I have an awfully unoriginal and quite possibly seen as shit take;

The idea of Magic systems being pushed to high heaven is a fucking joke.
I don't know how often I hear people pitch a story or attempt to get me to read a book by always using 'The Magic system...', 'It's magic system has...', 'It's similar to X because in this one's magic system...'
But it's amazing how they will skip over how long winded (or well written) the prose is, or how bland (or fleshed out) characters are. I'm not sure if it's a lack of comprehension/retention of story telling / character writing from the readers, but I swear 9/10 times I hear more about how the magic works and why it's "so fucking cool", and not a whole lot else.
I mostly rely on GoodReads to see what my friends are reading and what they recommend, and from a control + f with 'Magic System' of the 6 friends that read fantasy; I had 57 results total from their 400+ total book reviews. Note, these are not all shared readings, and some are in a series, so it might not be as bad or possibly, and most likely, worse, as the numbers make it out to be.

I genuinely don't mind their being Magic in books, but it's like, holy fuck, are you genuinely reading for the sake of reading, or do you want to play RPGs and have no one interested in your campaign?

>>15153855
I get your point. But also, I like being assured that the magic system isn't bad. While magic isn't really what draws me in, magic can be a huge detractor if it's poorly handled.
So a mention of magic in a review is nice.

>>15153855
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_fantasy

I think it's probably the same reason why xianxia got bastardized into "cultivation" shit in China: the fantasy readership's brains have been thoroughly broken by videogames, and so they buy fantasy that resembles videogames for casual reading. Cultivation can at least be directly traced to MMOs, but in the West it's a bit more complex. Writers like Sanderson don't set out to make their books videogamey, but their dry ass hard SF-influenced style just happens to resemble videogames enough to tap into that audience.

One of the biggest shocks I had last year (I have a very boring life yes) was learning that Sanderson actually has an English degree. I'd understand if he was some blogger with a STEM education who leveraged online presence to write fiction, but I don't understand how you can hold a humanities degree, write for a living for years, and have such a pedestrian understanding of literature.

>>15153798
well their cover art sure is amateur

Is Mercedes Lackey the place to start for romantic fantasy stuff?

What are some great "deep future" sci-fi stories besides Jack Vance and Gene Wolfe? Stuff that takes place thousands of years in the future, and treats our current present and immediate past as legendary?

>>15154439
i made this just for you anon

>>15150995
Why do i need to use tor to access libgen?

>>15153855 here.

>>15153936
I'm not saying it's not worthy to mention in review, but having it be like THE key point and not a "as a side note, this is cool".
I have seen people elaborate on why (Nix) Sabriel's necromancy is 'amazing' and mention literally nothing else about the book.

>>15153958
I've always hated that personally about Xianxia. I guess I never really associated the two having not a whole lot of interest in that level of fantasy.
I like the idea of Wuxia A LOT though, but given how a lot of the time it's written with a one pass proof read then publish to whatever site it's hosted on bugs me a lot.

Sanderson as a dude I'm fine with, his podcast I liked and I haven't watched his classes but I'm sure they in general, are fine and non-harmful. I assume he's regurgitating what he's been taught, and that's not that much different from the lecturers that I have had.
But when it comes to the topic of Sandersons-3-self-stroking-Laws of magic that a lot of people reference as hard and fast law, I just switch off; like there is no reason for those 'laws' to be used by anyone else but him.

>>15154473
For you? Possible lawsuit waiting to happen if someone finds out and informs the relevant individuals.
For everyone else? So that there isn't some massive crackdown on it.

>>15154439
I'm curious too. Only two I can think of is Lord of Light and Canticle for Leibowitz.

>>15154486
Thanks for aswering

>>15147693
>muh trannies
OBSESSED and rent free 24/7

>>15147531
Based

>>15154520
Oh just dilate.

>>15154704
OBSESSED

>>15154862

>>15154862
>I am so brainwashed by twitter and 4chan cultures that I am only able to communicate in memes or sarcastic sentences below 3 words in length.

You too >>15154990
though I forgive you for actually being in the right

>>15147693
based

Why do so many chink authors put CCP propaganda in their books? It gets real annoying.

>>15155503
Why do people who like their system of government praise it?

>>15155503
they don't wanna get Falun Gong'd and Uighur'd

>>15155503
Imagine complaining about something that happens once in a blue moon when every fucking book published these days uses xir pronoun or whatever tumblr garbage is the flavour of the month

>>15155230
>though I forgive you for actually being in the right
It is a cold comfort, to be forced to post these abominations in response to discord trannies here.

>>15155503
Same reason western authors put diversity propaganda in their books.

>>15156170
Fear of punishment?

>>15156205
It pleases the gatekeepers

>>15156205
>>15156244
or they just actually believe in it/want to explore that stuff in their writing you weirdos

>>15156205
Americans are the most brainwashed people on earth, save for North Korea. Disgusting how so many writers keep shoving these stupid, inconsistent moral and cultural values into their books out of genuine belief in them. You can flip open a random fantasy book from a /r/fantasy set in the middle ages (these retards are unaware of any other time periods) and the (clearly defined) good guys will be operating under the completely arbitrary cultural norms that have been prevalent in America for the past 20 or so years: democracy becomes unquestionable good, there's always a country or an empire which feels like they center of the world even if it makes no sense, there's a lot of monarch fetishism, somehow paradoxically merging their love for the "little people" with their presidential republic inspired admiration for kings. And then, worst of all, pure imperialism radiates from every chapter.
I sometimes feel like if those trannies wrote a race specifically designed to be happy as slaves and unhappy as free men, they would still somehow justify forcefully liberating being a good decision.
At least the chinks don't pretend to be good people or just do what the government requires in a utilitarian way.

Is there such a thing as "Fantasy Thriller"?

>>15156244
Oh wait, self-pub anon, hi

>>15155503
Why do burger authors masturbate over "muh guns" and "muh freedom" in their books? It gets real annoying.

Discuss.

>>15153992
They've kinda replied to my submission but im not sure if they're actually a vanity pub.

>>15156436
I hope my pieces make this list some day.
Not quite /ss/, but it is a noticeable difference.

I thought this was the science fiction and fantasy general and not the tranny general.

>>15156692
It transitioned

>>15156892
for the worse

I've had ideas and worlds for YEARS, and it meant nothing. Story I actually progressed with and thrived has neither and I'm focusing on the characters as I slowly reveal their world.

>>15147472
I listen to audiobooks at work for 7 hours a day. Does anyone have recommendations for me? I just got Roadside Picnic. Here is what I have listened/read this far:

world war z, the road, Hyperion cantos, the terror, LOTR, all of J.L. Bourne, all of dune, and the dark tower extended series

I burn through books quickly and at this rate I will be forced to read the Harry potter series

>>15156436
women over 35 look like trannies anwyay

There seem to be droves of people who think they are smart by saying sam was the real hero of the ring triology

>>15157861
weak bait

>>15157861
We all know it was Tom.

>>15157835
Sure is gay in here.

>>15157873
>>15157861
it's not bait, it just pews me when people who obviously haven't read the books use the portrayal of frodo in the films to write him off as heroic

Looks like some shitposter got banned from his usual board and is looking for somewhere else to shitpost.

Some people have sad lives.

>>15154439
You might Like S. M. Stirling's Dies the Fire. Basically, in 1998 all electricity and technology stops working, so as good Americans they begin LARPing as ancient civilisations. Seeing the various characters grow, form communities and adapt to their new situation is quite interesting. The juxtaposition of old and new works surprisingly well.
The series continues with the children of the various characters. The children have never known anything else than the new middle ages they now live in, and they cannot understand how such things as skyscrapers and the impossibly large cities were possible. Too bad the pacing is shit.
The first three books are good. I do recommend them.

Also, many of the /dyingearth/ books >>15154470 are more about the earth dying than about the remnants of our world. Hell, a climactic moment in City at World's End is the main character going to intergalactic space court to plead his case.

>>15157909
Dykes need not apply

>>15158054
wasnt there a horribly boring tv show about this
they larped as confederates and so on

>>15154470
House on the Borderland is on par if not better than Night Land and has a similar subject. How good is City at the End of Time?

>>15158111
Jericho? That was about the US getting nuked, all I remember

>>15158125
>Jericho
nah i think it was called simpy Revolution or so

>>15156313
Urban fantasy is mostly that and mostly shit. A lot of Gene's novels have thriller elements, Sorcerer's House comes to mind.

>>15158117
Without spoilers, it can be divided into roughly three sections (of very different length). The first describes the setting and provides some idea of the perception of nuclear weapons in the early 50s. The second is about the dying earth, and why you would read it. The third part takes a wild left turn, but ends up being pretty uninteresting and unoriginal. It's pretty much indistinguishable from other forgotten pulp from the period. The writing and characters are pretty bad, but the book is also pretty short, so if you're interested in a portrayal of the Earth at her end it could be worth it. Just don't expect too much.

I'm >>15158054 by the way, but don't read my comment if you care about the twist.

>>15158143
Nah Revolution turned out to be some weired scf-fi story.

>>15158179
Never likes his Foundation shit to be honest, gonna give it a pass.

>bad guy turning into a good guy
>lol no once a bad guy always a bad guy

What did Brain Jacques meant by this?

>>15157861
Bad books, irrelevant opinions.

>>15158054
Sounds maybe based, also holy shit those goodreads reviews, I must read this.

>the main character going to intergalactic space court to plead his case
Actually reminds me of Count to Eschaton, same shit

>>15158146
>Sorcerer's House
BASED

>>15158227
Disregard what I said, I was actually describing Hamilton's City at World's End (1951). I think Bear was inspired by it, but I haven't read City at the End of Time.

>>15157835
Shieeeet nigga how would you know?

I FUCKING HATE THIS GOD DAMNED 'SUBVERSIVE' AND 'ORIGINAL' SHIT
JUST WRITE A FUCKING STORY YOU HACKS

>>15158609
Which work has gotten your panties so bunched up anon?
And even more importantly why would you submit yourself to such torture?

>>15158619
The Demolished Man. I'm supposed to be writing a paper on proto-cyberpunk works. But it's any and all "art" created with words in books that gets on my nerves.

Alright, I'm looking for pic, that has a in-depth history and analysis of mutants across fantasy and sci-fi.
To make things easier, it's in french.

Usual venues have returned nothing. Willing to translate the essays into english and suck cock if someone points me where I can find for free.

magazine: Critique #709-710
title: Mutants
publisher: Minuit (Les Editions de)
ISBN: 2-7073-1961-9
EAN: 9782707319616
Publication date: 2006-05-01

Please help.

>>15156300
>good guys will be operating under the completely arbitrary cultural norms that have been prevalent in America for the past 20 or so years:
More than what you wrote about democracy I notice every relatively modern work is full of retarded leftist SJW tier faggotry and "morals" which make absolutely no sense whatsoever in a pseudo-Medieval feudalistic world.
Also almost universally having the strongest/smartest/most capable characters all be women. It's just blatantly unrealistic.
It's as though they are incapable of conceiving anything outside of their incredibly narrow and warped worldview, so their worldbuilding and character interactions and everything simply makes no sense at all.

>>15158631
>The Demolished Man
Alas never gotten to reading that one.
Even if the gimmick is annoying you must persevere. Don't be like the most of the riff-raff that frequents /lit.

>>15153846
>something is off with her face, like perhaps plastic surgery or something.
Everything on her looks like one of those traditional baby dolls (the ones whose eyes you could manually open and close), everything from the clothes to the bright blue eyes and blushing cheeks. That's why she looks 'fake'.

>>15158804
I don't think that's it. Her face just doesn't fit the look she's going for. She looks like a bad girl's twisted idea of a good girl. I bet she has an onlyfans.

>>15153846
>>15158804
>>15158821
Guys it was a joke. Don't make it weird.

>>15158847
What are you, her boyfriend? It's rather normal to discuss the looks of attentionwhores. She put herself out there for judgement.
I'm just saying, she doesn't look like the trad girl type, Both due to her face shape and the fact that her makeup is bad. If some fatty tried to cosplay as a fit character, then I'd probably say "she's too fat to make this character work" or somesuch.

Also, she has the alpha-girl look. Narrow face, that's noticeably taller than it is wide, with a pronounced nose. Those girls are always alpha bitches for some reason. Must be a phenotype of some kind. That look really doesn't mesh well with the trad look. Unless she's going for an authoritative look.

>>15157796
Aubrey-Maturin series read by Patrick Tull

>>15158927
>Unless she's going for an authoritative look.
this business look like pic related would suit her much more. maybe business casual with more business emphasis.

>>15158927
Alrighty then.

>>15158927
I feel like everyone is slightly more autistic thanks to your massive spergout.

>>15158960
Certainly. Or if she wanted to do another wacky trad cosplay, she could pull off a strict looking nun. A mother superior kind of thing. Your Principal or something, idk.

>>15158950
Sounds kino and I loved the terror so thank ye sai

>>15158696
I don't think you know that there's a difference between fantasy and historical fiction.

Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this, but im trying to decide what "book" im gonna read next.
Ive got a large backlog of shit from novelupdates, checked it the other day and saw a few of the series i wanted to read a few years ago had been fully translated.
So now i need to decide between reading Sevens(Japshit) or Warlock of the Magus World(Chinkshit).
I understand compared to what most of what is read on this thread, my selection is subpar, but I am a smoothbrain and just want something dumb to read while i afk fish in minecraft.

>>15156300
That's everyone though. You just can't see it with your tunnel vision.

>>15159116
>That's everyone though.
How American.

>>15159123
Not the specifics, but in general.

>>15159136
With regards to specifics and general.
You guys just can't wrap your heads around it.

>>15157796
Search audiobookbay by the narrator John Lee.I recommend Alastair Reynolds stuff.

>>15159115
Mistborn

>>15147693
Based x 2

>>15147472
This man is an absolute gem. Feels like everything he touches turns to gold. Never suspected a visual artist could put his paintings into words, but he did so and it's 10/10.

Just finished what is available for The Elder Empire series. Now there is nothing more to do than wait for the final two to come out. So I'm back for more recommendations. Please help. I only asked a few things:
1. You have personally read the book.
2. You personally believe the book is good.(It doesn't necessarily have to be great, just good will suffice. Though, if you think it's great, then that's all the better)
3. The characters are good. If I can't be bothered to care about the characters, then I won't be impressed when they start shooting fireballs or whatever.

Here's my history so far:
Finished:
Dune**, Licanius Trilogy*, The First Law, The Broken Earth*, Memory Sorrow and Thorn*, The Wheel of Time**, Nightflyers*, Book of the Ancestor*, A Memory Called Empire*, The Curse of Chalion 1-3**, Penric's Demon*, Penric and the Shaman*, Penric's Mission*

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, The Elder Empire series

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands, Borne(chapter 33)

*liked
**liked a lot

>>15159505
Also, I'm kind of in a memory called empire(Teixcalaan) mood. Something vaguely similar to that would be nice. Someone here mentioned that the book heavily cribs Lois Mcmaster Bujold. So I'm curious which one of Bujold's works similar. She's wrote a lot, and I don't know where to begin.

>>15159534
>Lois McMaster Bujold

Vorkosigan is possibly the greatest space opera ever written, if you don't consider Dune to be one(I don't).

>>15159598
>>15159534
Should have mentioned: start with Falling Free and continue with Cordelia's Honor. These are the entrées for the main course. Easy reads and very fun.

>>15159598
>Dune
>space opera
>also Vorkosoggyian
Old Man's War is the best space opera.

>>15159642
No, John, it really isn't. It isn't even close.

>>15159642
>feminist author
lol no

>>15159686
No one asked you snowflake.

>>15159686
>>15159720
Scalzi, just like Charles Stross, somewhere along the line turned into a soccer mom.
Many such cases.
Sad!

Still the first few books were pretty rad. Same with the Laundry series.

>>15159801
Not very rad at all I don't think. He's not nearly as good as those 2 guys writing the Expanse or Reynolds to match him with recent authors.

>>15159820
Old Man's War and the few books after it was a really nice military space opera - not something you see every day. Not to mention he managed to skip over the more annoying tropes.
Expanse, at least for me, was just retreading of the older works from the 70's about the colonized Solar system. So the advanced Mars, the belters, the social and societal dynamics, the technology used - that was nothing new. In fact the only thing new in Expanse was the the alien killer goo. The books were well written, the show seems to be good based on comments of others but it wasn't all that fresh to me.
As for Reynolds I never got into his works, so I can't comment.

>>15147862
Didn't know this existed thanks

>>15159424
Thank you for proposing an author that hasn't been already beaten to death by /sffg/. I will try God's Demon and report back.

>>15159943
You're in for a treat my man. You should check his art first, and then notice that all the corrupted grandeur and twisted body horror somehow finds its way in writing. This more than character and plot makes the book shine.

I have read the DUNE Books, I even did read the shitty Herbert son prequels books, and I found it shitty or mediocre, even if late.
Now, I havent read the sequels books, and maybe for the best....but now I want to know what happens in said books. So please, tell me how the hack of Herbert son concluded the DUNE saga.

>>15147521
I read this garbage based off of some faggot's recommendation here and it's one of the few books I genuinely regret reading.

>>15160088
>prequels books
There are no prequel books.

>>15148203
Niggers mad

>>15160094
Prince of Thorns is even worse

>>15158995
Welcum to 4chins.

>>15160094
Oh I think you are going to love Throne of Glass.

>>15160088
Wait, what do you mean? You've read everything by Herbert and Brian's prequels, or you've read the original and Brian's prequels but not Frank's sequels?

I read the six original books, and even read the bootleg books writen by Herbert son, but only the prequels and Butlerian Jihad ones. But havent read the sequels to the 6 originals. And I want to know how did Brian Herbert ended DUNE hisyory in its sequel books.

>>15160291
There are no sequel books.

>>15159624
I'm looking into it, and what a clusterfuck of a reading order. I think I'm going to stick to publication order. Falling Free appears to be the fourth book in that case. Fuck chronological order. That's just asking for spoilers.
Bujold herself wrote about reading order too, but I'm disregarding her, and just going publication order.
I'll do this though: If the first three books suck, then I'll still give Falling Free a chance, since you think it's worth a go.
But I'm hoping the first three will at least be decent.

>>15160204
Apart from the overly edgy oc donut steele it honestly wasn't, purely for that one scene ripped out of indiana jones where he just shoots the guy in the face. Battlemage had not even a single enjoyable moment. Just endless saccharine "chosen one" bullshit.
>>15160265
>reading books written by women
I've learned that lesson the hard way

>>15158609
Could have at least made the text a swastika, fucking retards man.

>>15159505
>Skipping:
>The Book of the New Sun

Fuck you.

>>15160541
There are a number of reasons why I skipped books that aren't necessarily due to the quality of the book itself. I can't say I remember why I skipped that one.
Why does my skipped list always get replies like this? I figured everyone here has seen my list already. Are you the same anon as before?

>>15160471
I don't like it any better, to be honest. Authors are supposed to tell stories through words. If you want to tell a story with pictures, tell a story with pictures - but at least tell me upfront, rather than masquerading as a novel.

Just bought this.

What am I in for?

>>15160564
>Why does my skipped list always get replies like this?

Because you're skipping BotNS. It doesn't matter why, just fucking read it.

>>15160716
>What am I in for?
Fun.

I know it's not technically /sffg/ but how do the Fleming 007 books hold up? I've started getting into the Bond films lately and wanted to know if the books are worth a read

>>15160718
No.
Seethe more. But keep it to yourself.

>>15160761
Oh come on man.
We already had one nigger shitposting spree. And anything more is just not fun.

>>15160770
She an actress in The Witcher TV adaptation. So she's relevant in representing The Witcher.
Again, seethe more. But keep it to yourself

>>15160747
They arent

>>15160797
>She an actress in The Witcher TV adaptation. So she's relevant in representing The Witcher.
Unfortunately I am well aware of that abomination, both regarding the horrible miscast and that horrible filmed fanfiction (as though up by a tranny like yourself).
It's all so tiresome you double nigger.

>>15160946
If you don't want to see things you don't like, then close your eyes and stop engaging with it. You can stop replying to me anytime you want. In fact, I would prefer if you never replied at all. I literally don't give a shit how much you love BotNS, and how much you hate trannies. Your opinion is less than meaningless, other than bothering me with (You)s, only to switch tabs and see it's some retard who's fee-fees are hurt.

>>15153855
Any time anyone mentions the magic system as one of the first positives about a story, it's a major warning sign without fail. I don't care in the slightest what kind of system magic is being used or how detailed its is in its description, so long as it's not used to conveniently resolve conflicts. But when someone praises a magic system early in their recommendation, it's a sure sign there's nothing of actual depth or interest going on in terms of plot, characterization or prose.

>>15160978
No I want to drive home the fact that you are a sad, pathetic excuse of a man to even bring up Nigilla Vigo in polite society. If only you were told that earlier (by your father probably) things might have been better for you.

>>15161015
Posting her appears to have had the intended effect though. Seethe more.

>>15161022
Your answer to every well earned criticism seems to be a buzzword.
Stop being such an literate loser and for once in your shitty life put some effort in your posts here. This is /lit.
There ain't no upboats here for regurgitating the same tired politically correct shit nigger.

>>15161065
Even politeness can be a weapon. You'll learn one day, when you grow out of your edgy phase. Well, actually it might be too late for you.

>>15160716
Okay read but highly overrated by mouth breathing neckbeard fanboys. Abnett is like a barely edgier Sanderson. Easily digestible schlock for simple entertainment. If that's what you're looking for, it's not bad, as the 40k setting is relatively fun, although it's lost most of the fun ironic tongue in cheek charm it had way back when.

>>15161088
Not super into 40k, but I LOVE Abnett's comic book stuff

>>15159505
Read the powder mage

I always heard the Tommyknockers was a chaotic, jumbled read but I actually found it to be quite nice. Most of the rambly sections were near the beginning and the whole middle and end section were nice examples of classic King weirdness. He's a good sci-fi writer as anyone who's read Night Shift can attest to.

>>15154439
Dune. It's been so long that Hitler and Genghis Khan are somewhat mythical and no details are known. It goes something along the lines of "emperor hitler commanded his legions to kill those 6m people" i find it poignant that the deathtoll of ww2 is somewhat forgotten, but the number of 6m has been engraved in culture that the civilian and military deaths have been overshadowed.
"I am hitler 10k times over"

Is there any fantasy series similar to Legacy of Kain?

>>15161724
What about LoK specifically do you want? Lore? World building? Non-sparkly vampires? Backstabbing and betrayal? Eldritch abominations and ancient evils? Prophecies that go haywire?
There's a lot of good subject matter in the LoK series but what made it work was probably Amy Henning and how dedicated the Voice actors were.

>>15159115
Warlock of the Magus World is bretty good for chinkshit.

>>15160797
This isn't /tv/.

>>15161754
Yes, all of it

>>15159115
warlock is based especially the first few arcs which are god tier and a later one which i wont spoil

>>15160747
i read a few of them a while ago and remember enjoying them.

>>15159505
rage of dragons

Euron or Wyman Manderly, who is your Master of Ships?

Any fantasy with female tyrant waifus?

>>15162330
The Black Company. The Lady was hot but Soulcatcher in tight leathers makes my pp hard.

>>15162339
Wasn’t soulcatcher her twin?

>>15161699
>the 6 million is engraved in history
I wonder how that ended up being goyim

>>15162356
Younger sister iirc

>>15162055
>>15161365
Both of these sound dumb by their descriptions. What's so good about them?

>>15162569
Not him but Rage of Dragons is fantasy with an African setting which was kinda original. Lots of shit about a caste system and class struggle, battle formations, military academy, revenge, magic. It's fun and short but it feels a little too Young adult fiction tbqh. The worst part are the anime moments.

>>15158733
read it years ago, with a title like that I expected the story to go in more dark, horrific directions with its dystopian world but nope, demolition is just a memory wipe

What's your thoughts (not recommendations, already have a shit ton of regular Gofic on standby) on Gothic Fantasy Fiction?
I just done a search on GR looking for recs and it's all YA shit, or magic system fun with no plot fest, or not even close to the classic nor modern Gothic pieces I've read.


>>15158609
When I did a poetry class in Uni, we had an entire lecture based on shit like that and I swear the lecturer was the only one that found disjointed word messes as artistic. It looked more like ascii art than anything.

>>15154470
i'm glad you included the original night land and not that trashy rewrite that plebs recommend all the time. love zothique, too.

>>15147472
Can I get book recs like the picture in OP

>>15162339
Anyone else think Croaker was an unreliable narrator and wrote his Lady waifu fantasies into the annals?

>>15162569
Powder mage is fun and similar to the books you liked.

>>15158609
>>15160601
I was looking through the /lit/ archive and saw this monstrosity.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FkK0NRe59EK2Chnw-lid6UToX3jweiKD/view

>>15160564
I personally think you’re missing out by skipping BotNS. I tried reading it twice but it was only the third attempt where I really got into it and I barely put it down after. I think the reward is well worth the effort.

>>15162739
>already have a shit ton of regular Gofic on standby) on Gothic Fantasy Fiction
Can you recommend something good? Preferably with a non-gay variant of vampires?

>>15163031
Of course he did. The annalist being an unreliable narrator is a big part of the black company books, it's mentioned multiple times in the story by each annalist that the others embellish/outright make shit up. I think Croaker even makes mention of the captain bitching at him for focusing the writing too much on himself and his emotional bias.

>>15162356
>>15162374
We'll never know for sure because the annalists are unreliable and sorcerers are far too secretive about their pasts and shit.

>>15159505
Collapsing Empire

>>15160088
Why would you read the 'prequels' but not the original six?

>>15160291
You dun fucked up by not finishing the original six and instead reading Brian's diarrhea.

>>15163031
I doubt Glenn Cook was being so crafty with that shit. According to him, his books are read by servicemen and he's used a ton of retarded narrative devices. Sure, the annalist is not 100% reliable but there's a limit.
And like, didn't they have a different annalist for book 5 or 6? Croaker is the big boss and he's fucking Lady in those, both giving orders. I doubt Croaker would just edit that shit to make himself look better.

Speaking of the Black Company, is the 8th book out? I might check it out even though the books turned to shit after the first trilogy.

>>15163685
>You dun fucked up by not finishing the original six
Are you here on /lit/, and you cant into reading conprehension?
I read the original six, retard. And I DONT want to read more Brian shit books. Did he really fucked up the other last books too? Please, tell me.

>>15163859
Yes. In short, and I'm not even bothering to not spoil this, Duncan is the ultimate Kwisatz Haderach for both humankind and robots and then he does all the endings to Mass Effect 3. Paul fights an evil clone of himself created by robots somewhere in there.

It's beyond awful

>>15162921
Maybe 'Library at Mount Char'.

>>15164115
Given the ending, you are absolutely devilish anon.

Is pic related along with Dune actually any good?

>>15164263
Dune is great, but Messiah is even better (once you've read Dune.)

baste and redpilled

>>15164263
Dune's worth it, wouldn't bother with starship troopers at this point

>new books bad
>old books good
When will this meme end?

>>15164476
People moaned about dinoposters but they honestly stopped a lot of the most cringeworthy posting in here

>>15164476
STFU, hugo tranny, no one likes you. The distribution of time-periods which /sffg/ isn't even skewed towards old fiction, it's pretty linear, though it does favor some decades. Just find the fucking monthly reading by decade posts.

>>15164509
Moaning is risky; I moaned about Sarah J. fatass poster a lot, and now that he is not nearly as active, I miss the faggot a lot. I skip some threads, so maybe I just skip him as well.

>>15164476
When new books get good again?

>>15163503
You sound like a fucking broken record repeating this exact post over and over.

>>15164625
When GGK and Mieville were born

>>15164685
He's right though, you are a complete retard judging by the things you read/liked/skipped.

>>15164476
The tone and ideas of literature change over time. Individuals who enjoyed books written in the 1980s are going to be hard-pressed to find comparable books written today, simply because times have changed. That's not to say modern books can't recapture some of the moods established by older books, but it's infrequent.

(optional further section) This can be further confounded by contemporary books which are clearly inspired by older works but fail to capture the same as the original. A great example here is Too Like the Lightning by Ada Palmer. On the cover somewhere it explicitly says "Wolfean" and it's quite obvious Palmer is a fan of Wolfe, but while it's not a bad book, it really fails to capture the mystery Wolfe captures in his novels. If a fan of Wolfe was recommended TLtL and expected it to resemble Wolfe's work, I could understand their disappoint and disfranchisement with the more modern piece.

>>15164704
>He's right though, you are a complete retard judging by the things you read/liked/skipped.
I'm not the anon, faggot. I'm a different person that is fed up seeing him post that exact post every time that anon says he skipped botns.

Literally every single book skipanon says they like outside of book of the ancestor and licanius (both fun pop fantasy) is at the very least a contemporary genre classic
hilarious to see someone pretend they have bad taste to try and own them

>>15164570
>tranny
Rent free 24/7 365. can you remember a time when trannies didn't invade your thoughts every 10 seconds?

>>15164754
Honestly kill yourself. Trying to prove that The Wheel of Time or The Broken Earth are bad to edgy teenagers is like arguing with Jehovah's witnesses. Not even gonna bother. "Classics" in the same way twilight and 50 shades of gray are classics. Start thinking for yourself, you dumb fuck, instead of hailing book popularity as a metric for their quality.
God how I miss the old days, before you tumblr faggots started calling people out for having a taste of their own... You can follow trends on reddit, why come to a forum structured without a karma system, specifically so that people can disregard this stupidity.

>>15163503
It’s amazing the first time, if you have a good memory you are already being rewarded about half way into book one. I’d say the corpse lake is where even less attentive readers should have their first “aha” moment.

What do I read next?

The Dispossessed - Le Guin. I'm guessing this is comfy with some philosophical themes, it won the Hugo in the 70s.

The Diamond Age - Stephenson. I'm guessing it's going to take me 100 pages minimum to understand the world and memorize Stephenson's vocabulary. I'm guessing the ending will be utter shite, but the first half will be 9.5/10

Revelation Space - Reynolds (I read years ago but forgot most of it. Something about a dead frozen captain? I'm guessing I'll like it, I'm guess it's grimdark with characters I don't care about)

>>15164931
The Dispossessed is great. It feels like you're reading sci-fi for the first time again, it really captures that pure human allegory emotion you get from speculative fiction but retains enough sci-fi elements to staying interesting. Also quite a touching love story.

>>15164711
You never get the same thing as the original. That's the difference between fanfiction and the real thing and even 99.99999% of fanfic won't ape the original well enough. Oh yes, they can mimic the prose but you can't fake brilliance. Once the author dies, it's over.

And when people compare stories, what people think is similar about two stories can be different. People say things are similar based on what they like. So if I like husbandoes, tragedy and worldbuilding I'm not looking for lolis and character orientated introspective slice of life and I'm not going to identify that thing as similar even if I might be aware that the similarity is there.

Also, most people haven't read a lot either because they're lazy or because they don't know how to pirate and so most recommendations suck. Or they have ulterior motives like ARC readers or people who want more books from an author.

>>15148066
You don’t need any help with 5th Head, you have all the details you need by the end to go back and read again. The complexity is mostly in analysing fine details about the aboriginals which are sprinkled in before you are told their behaviours. It’s not as complicated as New Sun.

>>15163508
Assuming that you're going in blind and from what I've been told, start with Castle of Otranto.
Because starting with the start makes sense I guess. But also, and mainly, because it focuses on the three elements of Horror(really just spooky Fantasy in general), Romance and Darker Atmosphere, but is written by a dude that probably saw someone kill themselves so it has that kind of umph.
If you find it boring, go to The Prestige, and then if you like that, you should be able to say "Books like the prestige but fantasy and not steampunk" unless you want Steampunk which has some Gothic-ish stuff but dips heavily into YA.
If you find Otranto cheesy fun, move onto stuff like Vathek to see if you like Gothic style writing, then The Monk for Gothic theme, before going to the above and having a wider scope of what you want. Good thing is, Vathek + Otranto shouldn't take more than a day to read both.

>>15164931
Now that I've seen that image, I need to listen to that album again.

NEW THREAD NEW THREAD NEW THREAD
>>15165174

>>15164323
I've thought about giving those books a shot, just because of the butthurt around them. What to expect?

I read Piers Anthony's "A Spell for Chameleon" due to feminist or whatever whining on reddit, and it was okay, just a bunch of schoolboy humor, probably would have enjoyed it if I were a kid.

>>15164476
When it stops being correct.

>>15165178
The thread isn't dead yet.

>>15164931
you are on the money about all of those descriptions yet they are all great. dispossessed is my favorite

>>15160747
I liked Casino Royale because it's a good story and Live and Let Die because it has the nigger word in it a lot. My dad really loves them unironically, he won't read anything else.

>>15160747
No, he has some of the worst prose I've ever seen.

>>15164931
Dispossessed can be arguably called the best SF novel of all time. I don't think it is, but you'll hear no argument from me against it.

I hate Stephenson.

Reynolds is very good.

Go with LeGuin

>>15164263
Yes Starship Troopers is worth reading. If you like it read the Forever War and Armor

>>15160747
Ive only read 2, Casino Royale and Goldfinger. Both were good, yeah give the books a shot. CR book was better than the movie by quite a bit