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Bloom's Western Canon Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:09:13 2020 No.15151848 [Reply] [Original]

I know he didn't approve of the final list, but just for fun, what should be added and what should be removed?

http://sonic.net/~rteeter/grtbloom.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:16:42 2020 No.15151924 >>15151848 it's a pretty great list

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:27:52 2020 No.15152003 Bump

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:00:56 2020 No.15152692 The medieval section is missing so much. No Piers Ploughman, no Gawain and the Green Knight, no Parzival, no Heloise and Abelard, no Nibelungenlied?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:04:18 2020 No.15152716 >>15152692 medieval section is missing a lot because the medieval times were garbage. niebelungen is there. gawain is tripe compared to de troyes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:04:59 2020 No.15152719 >>15152692 The Nibelungenlied is on there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:07:12 2020 No.15152729 >>15152692 Parzival is there, too. Learn to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:08:22 2020 No.15152737 >>15151848 Why is India on the western canon?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:09:31 2020 No.15152743 >>15151848 Troubadours. A lot is missing when it comes to literatures he wasn't very familiar with. For instance, in the Portuguese language.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:09:42 2020 No.15152745 >>15152737 Indo-European languages. English is distantly related to Hindi, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:10:37 2020 No.15152751 >>15152737 English.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:10:46 2020 No.15152752

>>15152737
>The Western canon is the body of high culture literature, music, philosophy, and works of art that is highly valued in the West: works that have achieved the status of classics. However, not all these works originate in the Western world, and such works are also valued throughout the world.

Harmodius !HeLLasW2K. Mon Apr 20 20:11:10 2020 No.15152753

>No ancient greek romances
>No Nonnus' Dyonisiaca
>No Post-Homerica
>No Epictetus
>No Plotinus
If you unironically base your self-education exclusively on this shitty list you should consider offing yourself along with all the chartfags who ask to be spoonfed on this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:11:59 2020 No.15152761 >>15152737 Non-Western works that influenced Western works are included in the canon. Like The Bible or 1001 Nights, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:13:26 2020 No.15152770 >>15152753 The list is a condensed representation, it doesn't include everything, you autist. It's pretty solid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:14:05 2020 No.15152774 >>15152761 Bible or Arabian nights make sense but I usually see India and stuff like Shankara described as Eastern on this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:16:59 2020 No.15152793 File: 61 KB, 253x400, 26252.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15152770 >misses the philosophers who influenced the most christian theology Come on man

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:18:42 2020 No.15152803 >>15152793 Bloom himself didn't like the list. He thought he had left out many things. The list was his editor's idea.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:25:08 2020 No.15152847 >>15151848 No Potocki or Prus for Poland? No Pontoppidan for Denmark? No Szabo, Szerb, Kosztolanyi for Hungary? No Laxness for Iceland? No Rulfo and Sabato for Latin America? Pathetic.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:28:08 2020 No.15152867

>>15151848
Well, there are a few glaring omissions. No Potocki or Prus for Poland? No Pontoppidan for Denmark? No Szabo, Szerb, Kosztolanyi for Hungary? No Laxness for Iceland? No Rulfo, Sabato, or Onetti for Latin America? If one were to make a more complete list these would probably be included.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:10:24 2020 No.15153125 >>15152719 >>15152729 My bad, i didn’t realize they were categorized by location at first

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:21:33 2020 No.15153206 >>15152716 But the canon isn’t about what's good or not, it’s about what influences our culture and what influences the literature that comes after it

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:23:22 2020 No.15153220 >>15151848 >ctrl+f >"dostoevsky" >matches found opinion discarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:25:15 2020 No.15153228 >>15153220 >>15153206

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 22:48:39 2020 No.15153663 >>15152867 Definitely more latin american writers should be added, since most of important stuff was being written by latin americans during mid/late 20th century, they were the ones carrying the torch of great literature and probably still are.

>>	Q Mon Apr 20 23:13:09 2020 No.15153772 >>15153220 Don’t you have a Nabokov circle jerk thread to start?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 23:37:25 2020 No.15153872 >>15153206 some of it is about what's good how much culture influence did Jay Wright ever have?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 23:58:52 2020 No.15153954 >>15152716 > Gawain is tripe Get ye gone

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 03:56:52 2020 No.15154827 >>15152753 Fuck tripfags but based

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:27:26 2020 No.15154941

>>15151848

Hmm. The 20th Century is the worst I think but that's to be expected (Bloom admits as much).

From England, he has only Pincher Martin from William Golding. You need Lord of the Flies, The Spire, Free Fall, The Inheritors for sure.

From the USA there are some astonishing omissions:
No Raymond Chandler
No Dashiell Hammett
No Carl Dennis
Only "Where I'm Calling From" by Raymond Carver (you need all his short stories)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:27:42 2020 No.15154942 I cant fathom the existence of people who actually enjoy reading Dreiser or indeed any naturalist. Second rate hacks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:38:31 2020 No.15154996 >>15153220 Dostoplebsky is overrated, Bloom was totally right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:41:41 2020 No.15155012 >>15154996 He's part of the list.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:51:33 2020 No.15155058

>>15151848
WTF is this garbage ass list??
Never seen such a massive circle-jerk over anglo-literature.
This guy obviously hates Germans.
The worst thing is that it's not even filled with good (British) anglos, but with Am*rican trash literature.

How can you have only 5 works of Friedrich Schiller in there, but 6 works of John Ashbery (I even had to look up who this literal who is.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 04:55:27 2020 No.15155079 >>15155058 He states outright that the conremporary list is less selective.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:02:53 2020 No.15155125 >>15155079 I'll give you that, but still. Just look at the amount of German philosophy this list contains and compare it to the amount of literal who anglos who i've never heard about (i'm not talking about the contemporary ones)

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:13:03 2020 No.15155171 >>15155125 >philosophy Not Bloom's line of work.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 08:02:35 2020 No.15156083 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 08:05:13 2020 No.15156102 >>15155058 >This guy obviously hates Germans. (((what did you expect?)))

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 08:12:56 2020 No.15156142 File: 186 KB, 800x936, 1_aDXYTqm10aIdhLCKy6M3XQ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>15155058 This, how could he do my man like this?!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 09:13:24 2020 No.15156442 >>15153220 except he is there. >Fyodor Dostoevsky Notes from the Underground Crime and Punishment The Idiot The Possessed (The Devils) The Brothers Karamazov Short Novels

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 09:23:34 2020 No.15156487 >>15156442 lrn 2 read

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 09:43:40 2020 No.15156622 >>15151848 Trying to navigate that website is a trip. Hundreds of hyperlinks sending you in seemingly random places.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 10:18:42 2020 No.15156846 >>15151848 Saramago

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 11:38:36 2020 No.15157374 Bump

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 11:47:22 2020 No.15157451 >>15152737 they wuz aryan n sheet

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 12:35:36 2020 No.15157768 Needs more ancient greeks and romans etc/ that sort of stuff in my opinion plus medieval stuff

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