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15151545 No.15151545 [Reply] [Original]

Is this basically self help for people who feel they are above self help?

>> No.15151567

>>15151545
Ligotti on Buddhism:
>There is nothing more futile than to consciously look for something to save you. But consciousness makes this fact seem otherwise. Consciousness makes it seem as if (1) there is something to do; (2) there is somewhere to go; (3) there is something to be; (4) there is someone to know. This is what makes consciousness the parent of all horrors, the thing that makes us try to do something, go somewhere, be something, and know someone, such as ourselves, so that we can escape our MALIGNANTLY USELESS being and think that being alive is all right rather than that which should not be.

>> No.15151618

>>15151545
That's how buddhism has been sold to westerns, yes

>> No.15151656

>>15151567
I've never sought consciousness or any of that, though. The only reason I ever practiced meditation was because it made me more clear-minded and focused, so I'm not always caught up in emotion or battling past memories in my head.

>>15151545
Julius Evola, like the other occultists of his era, didn't understand "eastern" religions/philosophies like Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, etc. If you're going to read that, you shouldn't read it to learn about Buddhism, but rather to learn how European occultists interpreted it, because that's its only value.

>> No.15151663

>>15151545
Evola wrote about stupid outdated shit like Theosophy. It's nonsense.

>> No.15151673

>>15151545
Didn't Evola get paralyzed when he went out for a walk during an air raid?

>> No.15151679

>>15151618
i feel like the more i look into learning about buddhism the more it seems like a very pointless endeavor because of lack of accurate translations and anyone who actually understands what they're talking about that will write a book in english so it seems like westerners just project whatever they want onto buddhism to fit their view

>> No.15151685

>>15151663
Can you cite where and when he wrote about theosophy?

>> No.15151698

>>15151673
That’s pretty much a myth. Allegedly, he did refuse to go to the bomb shelters during air raids but he seems to have been paralyzed while working in an office during one.

>> No.15151720

>>15151679
The Buddha said to question the teachings. Maybe people forge their own Buddhist paths with the underlying principles.

>> No.15151727

>>15151685
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Julius_Evola

>> No.15151736

>>15151567
it's more clear now that the universe is kind of more like a thought or a brain, and we exist in it the same way a cell in a brain exists. and we are just the universe subjectively experiencing it's self through different vantage points.

>> No.15151752

>>15151656
>Julius Evola, like the other occultists of his era, didn't understand "eastern" religions/philosophies like Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, etc. If you're going to read that, you shouldn't read it to learn about Buddhism, but rather to learn how European occultists interpreted it, because that's its only value.
This book was prized by the Pali Society of London once publicized.
It's the best treatize on buddhism ever publicized in the west, and it's a more accurate representation of what Sakyamuni said than anything that came afterwards.

>> No.15151765
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>>15151727
>rational wiki

>> No.15151768

>>15151545
What is self help? Answer this question honestly

>> No.15151775

>>15151679
Just learn chink or jap, of you just want to read religious texts it's not impossibly hard

>> No.15151782

>>15151765
>a source that links to primary sources isn't true because it doesn't align with my bizarre neonazi politics

>> No.15151788

>>15151768
Self-help is the gender of books meant to colonize your spirit with modern capitalism, making it easier to live as a wageslave while throwing all values away in name of money

>> No.15151831

>>15151727
lol

>>15151685
>>15151752
Evola has three problems when it comes to Buddhism:

Firstly, and most glaringly, he is a hardcore Theravada partisan... despite caring about Buddhism in the first place out of a desire to find TRVE Aryan Mysticism for the purposes of becoming a greater sorcerer. This doesn't really track for a few reasons. One, if your goal is solely to learn how to zap people with your dick then Vajrayana is what you're after; two Theravada Buddhism is today and historically practiced almost entirely by Dravidians and SEAsians (which is not a black mark against it, but it does reduce it's ARYAN street cred); three there is absolutely nothing that makes Mahayana Buddhism "illegitimate" at a fundamental level, it just developed differently than Theravada Buddhism. Even the Boddhisatva Vow isn't recognized as a stain of heresy that completely denies you access to gnosis and makes you nothing but a KEKED HYLIC akin to how some Catholic/Orthodox Christians believe the other gets sent straight to hell, rather the Theravada just believe that you'll achieve enlightenment and... then won't become a Boddhisattva afterwards, you'll just eventually parinirvana out (you can't really "die" in Buddhism after you've achieved enlightenment, according to how Buddhism sees "death" although your body will of course turn off).

>> No.15151835

>>15151782
>Overtly biased sources are ok if they link to other sources nobody will actually checks.

>> No.15151838

>>15151788
Sounds like a gender that doesn't exist

>> No.15151844

>>15151727
Yeah, can you actually cite where specifically and not just re-direct me to biased and misleading website?

>> No.15151847

>>15151775
its kinda retarded since all the time u wasted you could have actually meditated and made progress.

>> No.15151854

>>15151788
shouldn't self help let you live the life you want?

like there are self help books that don't involve you living in capitalism. like books on minimalism or living outside of society, ect.

>> No.15151856

>>15151567
Ligotti's perspective is fatally flawed by the medical/financial horrors he's been through.

In this he is perhaps not unlike Bukowski's nightmarish experience of rampant boils/acne/sadistic doctors.

Their respective, bleak views of the world are the result of seeing the world through the prism of an unusually torturous life experience.

And yet, the fact that each, in their differing ways, was able to wrest art from that experience speaks to the value of the human person more accurately than any remarks either might have regarding the value or lack thereof of human existence.

>> No.15151865

>>15151844
He borrowed heavily from Helena Blavatsky's Theosophical notion of "root races", adopting a curious notion of evolution running in reverse, in which the ancient world was filled with enlightened beings such as are imagined to have dwelled in Atlantis:

>> No.15151869

>>15151545
That’s basically what all philosophy is

>> No.15151881

>>15151844
Right near the top of the article, shithead.

>Our starting point will be not the modern theory of evolution but the traditional doctrine of involution. We do not believe the man is derived from the ape by evolution. We believe that the ape is derived from man by involution. We agree with Joseph De Maistre that savage peoples are not primitive peoples, in the sense of original peoples, but rather the degenerating remains of more ancient races that have disappeared.
—The Metaphysics of Sex, 1983, pps. 9-10.)
According to Joscelyn Godwin, "the basic outlines of Evola's prehistory resemble those of Theosophy, with Lemurian, Atlantean, and Aryan root-races succeeding each other, and a pole-shift marking the transition from one epoch to another".[2] The most valuable race to belong to is the Nordic European race, because they were descended from the Arctic paradise of the Hyperboreans.

>> No.15151883

>>15151831
>Firstly, and most glaringly, he is a hardcore Theravada partisan... despite caring about Buddhism in the first place out of a desire to find TRVE Aryan Mysticism for the purposes of becoming a greater sorcerer. This doesn't really track for a few reasons. One, if your goal is solely to learn how to zap people with your dick then Vajrayana is what you're after
Wrong! Evola's book is about what the Buddha said. The pali canon comes centuries after the words of Buddha, so it already contained some distortions.
Evola was an admirer of Zen and Vajrayana. He was the first person to translate the Tibetan Book of the Dead in Italian.
Evola regards the theravada/mahayana/vajrayana schism as irrelevant and studied every denomination compared with his own personal intuition, exoteric and esoteric historical background and comparative research with Taoism and Hinduism to try to graps the true teachings of Buddha.

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>>15151865
Here's tour spiritual master bro

>> No.15151905

>>15151545
>Is this basically self help for people who feel they are above self help?

is it really such a terrible thing if it is?

>> No.15151910

>>15151679
There's a lot that's in English, and most of what isn't is deep esoteric mysticism that is largely secondary everything else. The major Sutras are in English, as is the Pali Canon, and the Pali Canon will be just as autistic to read in Pali as it will be in English.

>>15151831
Secondly, Evola's goal of finding TRVE ARYAN OCCVLTISM TO DIVINE THE SPIRIT CHILD FROM THE CELESTIAL LIGHTNING WOMB colors his entire experience with Buddhism, as he's ultimately looking for a system to recreate his ideal world with rather than trying to engage with Buddhism as a thing. The entire Traditionalist School does this in that it picks and chooses stuff from other existing traditions and makes up mental gymnastics to discard the rest (which is, of course, the entire point of the Traditionalist School). This means he's a rather crummy source on Buddhism itself, as he views the Buddha's low view of the caste system as a black mark and seeks to retrieve that inbuilt hierarchy by constructing this idea that there just simply are souls that cannot be saved. It's accepted in every branch of Buddhism that there are people who cannot achieve enlightenment in this life, either because of material circumstances in their biology (the mentally retarded 20 IQ troglodyte just won't), their living environment (illiterate tribesmen in the heart of Africa won't), their stubborn prejudices (Joel Osteen won't), etc etc etc, the people they reincarnate as (eventually) can. The Buddha goes through a very long number of reincarnations before he becomes the Buddha (these stories are the "Jataka tales"). It might take millions of lifetimes, but Buddha Nature is intrinsic to EVERYONE. Evola holds the view that there are just certain people who cannot EVER achieve enlightenment, EVER. This is not held by any Buddhist school, as both Theravada and Mahayana agree that eventually everyone will get out of samsara, even if it takes a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY long time.

>> No.15151921

>>15151881
>According to Joscelyn Godwin, "the basic outlines of Evola's prehistory resemble those of Theosophy, with Lemurian, Atlantean, and Aryan root-races succeeding each other, and a pole-shift marking the transition from one epoch to another".[2] The most valuable race to belong to is the Nordic European race, because they were descended from the Arctic paradise of the Hyperboreans.
This is not an original source.
Read what Evola actually said.
Regarding "involution" (I don't agree with Evola on that term) we know nowadays there were aborigenal tribes in Tasmania who forgot how to use fire, or how many African populations are a result of erectus mixing with european sapiens.

>> No.15151939

>>15151910
>Evola holds the view that there are just certain people who cannot EVER achieve enlightenment, EVER. This is not held by any Buddhist school, as both Theravada and Mahayana agree that eventually everyone will get out of samsara, even if it takes a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEALLY long time.
He never said this.
Evola does not believe in "individual souls" and doesn't identify the aggregates with the Self.

>> No.15151947

>>15151663
pretty sure it's a myth and he was actually in a library when it happened

>> No.15151962

>>15151910
You've sort of touched on the issue I have with Evola and other Perennialists, it seems like they just pick through source material to find ideas that support their already established worldview. Rather than a serious study of metaphysics and mythology, I think it's just an attempt to synthesize a grand unified theory of reactionary politics.

>> No.15151980

>>15151962
What if you were wrong?

>> No.15151984

>>15151883
The Pali Canon IS the earliest sources we have for what the Buddha said. All earlier texts are part of the Theravada tradition, and do not detail what the Buddha actually said (otherwise they'd be in the Pali Canon, as it was made as a repository of what the Buddha had said).

>>15151910
Thirdly, Evola didn't really try very hard at the meditation aspect (he eventually just sort of dismisses it as not being nearly as good as its cracked up to be). For a layman, and for a Traditionalist, this is entirely excusable as the Buddha didn't expect anyone but monks or might-as-well-be-monks to actually GIT GUD at meditation (this is why everyone will achieve enlightenment, but not anytime soon). It's also excusable for him to pick and choose because... That's what he set out to do, pick through existing traditions, crib was he liked, and discard the rest. The problem is when this is taken as an understanding of Buddhism, which is entirely misleading because there's simply no way Evola did the meditation work that a Monk would do unless he was a literal actual "Shooting fireballs out of his asshole" sorcerer.

I like Evola, but he has the same problem everyone in the Traditionalist School does: He picks and chooses and this misleads people who don't get that about the Traditionalists to think that he somehow knows a 2,500+ year old tradition across dozens of languages better than anyone else when that's not the goal Evola even set out to accomplish in the first place.

>> No.15151994

>>15151984
>The Pali Canon IS the earliest sources we have for what the Buddha said. All earlier texts are part of the Theravada tradition, and do not detail what the Buddha actually said (otherwise they'd be in the Pali Canon, as it was made as a repository of what the Buddha had said).
I know that, and Evola did too, that's why he examines only the Pali Canon and not earlier theravada source.
His books is an attempt to understand the fragments of esoteric knowledge in the Pali Canon that didn't disappear due to oral tradition

>> No.15151998

>>15151980
Ok, if you have something you think will convince me that Evola's actual interest was scholarship and not politics, I'd be happy to look it over.

>> No.15152016

>>15151994
Right, that's a point that I've stated in all three posts: He's picking and choosing according to his own standards rather than that of the tradition, which is fine if you're reading Evola for Evola (and the Traditionalists as a whole) but doesn't work out if you're trying to actually understand Buddhism as it is because Evola wasn't. He was trying to find traces of The Tradition in Buddhism, and freely discarded anything that didn't line up with that. If you want to just go ahead and discard Mahayana and Vajrayana because they've been tainted and lack True Spiritual Connection To The Tradition, go ahead, but that's not attempting to understand Buddhism, it's attempting to understand The Tradition, which are two different things.

Again, I like Evola, but assuming him as an authority when he wasn't setting out to be one is wrong, because it's not what he was trying to do, he never tried to do it, and shouldn't be taken as having done it.

>> No.15152019

>>15151998
Phenomenology of the absolute individual

>> No.15152047

>>15152016
He admired Vajrayana a lot more than Theravada and Mahayana (although he admired the latter a lot in the form of Zen).
He focused on the Pali Canon because he thought that it was as closest as he could get to make an analysis of what Buddha said.
He talks about Vajrayana in the Yoga of power and many other texts, and it's almost always in praise.

>> No.15152058

would buddhists say that you can escape samsara even not being a buddhist? that if you dedicate your life to the apophatic divinity you can get out of it?

>> No.15152069

>>15152058
*apophatic knowledge of the divinity

>> No.15152084

>>15151618
no, that's how buddhism and other eastern shit actually is.

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>>15151736

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>>15151736
This too

>> No.15152110

>>15151765
SJWs dismiss stuff in this way too, to avoid badthink

>> No.15152117

>>15151788
You've just described Catholicism and Psychotherapy.

>> No.15152125

>>15151835
You're avoiding it so you are the person not checking the sources.
Pathetic and lazy.

>> No.15152126

>>15152110
Everyone does in some way or another

>> No.15152161

>>15151831
There's no way you read this book. You're just spewing nonsense.

>> No.15152172

>>15152058
>>15152069
Giga-brain answer is that actual Buddhist say yes because Buddhism isn't a thing, only Dharma, and you don't need the Buddha for Dharma. A less smug answer is that in theory, yes, but you'd essentially be re-discovering Buddhism. Buddhism is a toolkit for escaping samsara, and nothing more (not really, it does a lot more, but that's the simplistic answer). You're not going to get there via deities (if that's what you mean by "divinity") however, as gods and spirits are subjected to karma in the same ways as humans (and are, as far as Buddhism's goal is concerned, actually worse off).

>>15152084
Not really. Self help is, as >>15151788 said, just a way to make you more comfortable while you live in the pod, eat the bugs, and consoom porn. Buddhism is against all three.

>> No.15152181

>>15152161
You caught me, I'm literally making everything up, have never heard of Evola, and don't even know what Buddhism is. I'm just slapping the keyboard randomly, and through sheer coincidence happened to type all of that out. I'm not even a person, just a mass of dicks and hands wiggling over a keyboard.

>> No.15152196

>>15151679
Read the translations. Ignore the modern commentary. That's what I do. Mind you, if you're just starting check out one or two commentaries. Also, finding a Monastery connected with a lineage is a must. Lots of Buddhist sects host free 'classes' to the public which will get you 'in' if you attend long enough. Monastics still rely on Charity so there is quite a few opportunities to engage with them. (Finding non-Western monks is a must)

>> No.15152212

>>15152181
Yes.

>> No.15152217

>>15151656
You are conscious, dipshit, you don’t have to ‘sought’ that.

>> No.15152289

>>15152172
so much like gnosticism, why is the escape from samsara conditioned by the very limitations or expressions of samsara itself, i mean the escape of the individual is dependent on the very actions of the individual, and not by a true transcendent divinity?

>> No.15152314

>>15151663
>outdated
You need to believe in progress in order to utter such nonsense. Remove yourself

>> No.15152320

>>15151727
>rationalwiki
OH NO OH NONONONONONONO

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>>15152289
You should read Hymns Of Zoroaster and or Inner Fire, also Gospel of Mani.
So many gnosticbros ignore or never knew about what inspired Gnostic thought.

>> No.15152341

>>15152320
>A BIASED INTERMEDIARY SOURCE FROM WHICH I CAN CLICK THE REAL SOURCES AND READ THEM WITH TWO SECONDS OF EFFORT!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE REEEEEEEERRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE

>> No.15152350

>>15151962
> Rather than a serious study of metaphysics and mythology, I think it's just an attempt to synthesize a grand unified theory of reactionary politics.

Evola specifically goes into gatekeeping people doing just that. This seems more like a case of all being jaundiced to the yellow eye. The whole point is looking as what is universal, the aspects of a tradition that are particular to it or invert the norm are of less worth. Which is why things like a Buddhist sect looking down on a caste system is not good for its credibility.

>> No.15152351

>>15152341
It only links to secondary sources

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>>15151727
>rationalwiki

>> No.15152366

>>15152320
we've gone fully leftypol now. You can tell by the prose of the sissyfags in most threads. They seem to come and go like the tide. /lit/ was actually decent the last couple years, now it's back to being one of the worst boards on the site.

>> No.15152367

>>15152331
could you please answer the question i posited?

>> No.15152371
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>>15151545
Buddha was a CRACKPOT. All of you are wasting your time.

>> No.15152388

>>15152371
wasting what? what time? what is the difference between anything?

>> No.15152402

>>15151865
>adopting a curious notion of evolution running in reverse
He got this from De Maistre.

>> No.15152410

>>15152366
It's mostly reddit tourists
70% of the posters on 4chan nowadays come from reddit

>> No.15152439

>>15152289
>>15152367
Rephrase it, this time in English. I can't understand what you mean to ask.
Do you mean "Why does it work without a deity to intercede?"

>> No.15152442

>>15152410
The influx is tied directly to 8ch shutting down. They migrated and the duller ones never migrated back. You can tell by some of the vernacular used alone. Stuff like "wignat" was totally foreign here not long ago. Reddit prose and 8ch prose are distinct brands of sissyfaggotry. You can notice differences in vernacular and sentence structure even if the values shared are essentially the same.

Of course, leftypol posters are largely an ethnicity of redditor in the first place if you go back enough.

>> No.15152458

>>15152388
One can recognize the relevant differences between appearances of the One without losing awareness of the fundamental ultimate reality.

I can recognize shit and a sandwich are both made of atoms, yet choose the one that tastes better.

>> No.15152493

>>15152442
16chan, julay world are two good homes for 8trash 8fugees

>> No.15152518

>>15152366
/lit/'s past two years were absolute dogshit, you fucking electionshit tourist.

>> No.15152539

>>15152518
I agree, /lit/ was a traditionalist board from 2014 (since the day Spengler anon btfo liberalism forever) to 2018

>> No.15152546

>>15152539
>can only see /lit/ in terms of how much political shitposting there is
You're utter fucking cancer. Commit sudoku.

>> No.15152551

>>15152539
Guenonposting is based tho

>> No.15152554

>>15152518
I don't know, the years sort of bleed together, but I certainly know /lit/ got better for a time than it ever used to be and now we are back to unironic rate my gay poetry i'll never be an author threads. I might be thinking all the way back to gamergate era and thinking that was just over two years ago.

This recent influx is absolutely coinciding with 8ch shutting down and maybe that zizek peterson debate.

>> No.15152556

>>15152289
In a sense that Buddhism is "natural" and just a fact of the universe, yeah. You can't pray your way to Nirvana, because even gods are subject to samsara, they just don't go through dukkha as much as we do. The best higher entities can do you put you, or a later reincarnation, in a realm more suitable for Buddhism. This is the point of Pure Land Buddhism, where the laity aim to accrue merit to reincarnate in Amitabha Buddha's Pure Land. There's big brain real autism hours (SEE: Nagarjuna's entire literary corpus, among others) explaining why this is the case and you cannot get outside help (because no one can be outside to help you, we're all inside, gods, men, insects, and demons). The idea of an outside agent just doesn't work at a metaphysical level because everything in Buddhism must be conditioned (the result of some prior event), going backwards infinitely (but not necessarily forwards infinitely). You can never have a prime mover. This makes something like Yahweh being outside of time and only ever being able to cause things and never being affected by them impossible. This is sort of axiomatic as both religions (Abrahmism vs Buddhism) hold their respective ends as, well, axiomatic, and have huge systems keeping them in place.

Mahayana makes that... ~FUN~... with the Boddhisattva, but there is wiggle room there that's not really worth getting into because a Boddhisattva can't enlighten you, they can just make you enlightening yourself a little easier.

>>15152442
Wignat is a common twitter far right term, and a useful one at that. Does it originate at cripchan? I have to imagine it comes from the frogosphere, or just plain old /pol/, cripchan couldn't make OC to save its life.

And in the end, it cost it its life.

>> No.15152572

>>15152551
Guenon posting clearly freaked out some Fed who promptly turned it into a caricature in order to shut it down.

>> No.15152590

>>15152556
/pol/ is really very different than places like frogtwitter or stormfront or nrx blogs or wherever. I get the impression most people who talk about /pol/ either don't or barely go there.

>> No.15152604

>>15152572
yes the Feds are shaking in their boots that /lit/ posters might start larping as traditional Muslims or Hindus. They have bumped it to the top of the list

>> No.15152617

>>15152572
>>15152604
Big if true. Back up your claims!

>> No.15152766

>>15152539
I was here in 2013 and can tell you it was all DFW posting all the time.
Dumb assholes "pretending" to be sassy gays,
>Um sweetie

Fuck that.

>> No.15152967

>>15152091
I'm L6, how do I get to L7?

>> No.15153011

>>15152556
But God's essence (a superessential essence so to speak) is inescrutable and utterly unknowable, He is not even a mover in Himself, but by His Will and Energies He acts to communicate Himself without communicating the incommunicable, that is, what He is in Himself (His nature). So there is a deifying synnergy and as Tauler wrote: The greater the void the greater the divine influx. Theosis is attained through a reversive kenosis. In the Incarnation the Son emptied Himself to receive us, and in deification we empty ourselves to become God. It is difficult to convey the idea without appealing to the symbolic significance of Christian metaphysics/theology.
Nothing will fulfill if not what is beyond fulfillment, beyond, divinity, beyond goodness, beyond essence.
So our dependence is not in any way in something conditioned, and that is the paradox of gnostic charisma, attaining gnosis through agnosis, not in the sense of ignorance but in the sense of being neither knowledge nor ignorance.

>> No.15153039

>>15152458
>relevant differences
hmm, so there is an inherent value of gradual differentiation in what is an appearance?
you don't choose a sandwich because it simply tastes better, but because there is a relevant character of quality in what constitutes it; whence comes this inherent range of quality?

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>>15152967
Read Wilson's books and he tells you.
The Occult
Beyond The Occult
Mysteries
(These are his Occult Trilogy)
And Super Consciousness which deals entirely with Faculty X aka L7.

(These Texts are all on libgen.is & b-ok.xyz)

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>>15153095
thanks brother

>> No.15153148

any moron asking the difference between self help and metaphysics (real buddhism is pure metaphysics, not a religion) needs to read plato over and over again until they stop asking such a pointless question

>> No.15153178

>>15153011
That's all bullshit, but I enjoy it and use it anyway.
I take it you are a fan of The Cloud Of Unknowing and Apophthegmata Patrum

>> No.15153204

>>15153039
The inherent quality of it tasting good due to it's relative atomic structures and my body assemblage's atomic structures.
Duh doy

>> No.15153210

>>15153129
I am but the servant of the servant

>> No.15153268

>>15153204
and how does this perfect unlock of quality is presupposed in both set of atoms? Atoms are bodies and they have inherent qualifying form.

>> No.15153329

>>15152125
>W...why won't you look at my biased source? You're lazy.
I don't care. If you won't post the primary sources yourself, and just expect everyone to visit your propaganda site, my assumption is that the propaganda itself is important to you. I'm not reading that trash any more than I'm reading conservapedia or snopes or some shit.

>> No.15153355

>>15152217
You're not using it in the colloquial sense, fuckhead. You made a non-point.

>> No.15153417

>>15153268
Please rephrase in English, that's unintelligible.

>> No.15153464

>>15153417
sorry, typed as fast as I could on phone but that's still normally intelligible, anon.
Two arrangements are already organized each in a specific form that their meeting unlocks a very distinct quality (here quale and universal form meet). Anyway all this is merely consequential when you know that all things are conditioned by One as one and not-one and henads as unities; don't you say all things are appearances of the One? Aren't you a platonist or you are just appropriating terms to fit whatever aberration you believe in?

>> No.15153479

>>15152967
Are you being serious? I seriously had a phase where I was at what sounds a lot like L6 for a months and it faded. I’m desperate to get it back.

>> No.15153697

>>15153464
>Aren't you a platonist or you are just appropriating terms to fit whatever aberration you believe in?
The One is too generic to be appropriated. And I am not Platonist, I'm anti-Platonism.
I'm a Process Monist, like the Nahua people aka Aztecs.
Constitutional Monism, Process Metaphysics.
I also uses Appearances, not Emanations.

>> No.15153700

>>15153479
Then definitely read my suggestions of Colin Wilson, he's an expert on the peak experience

>> No.15154293

>>15151656
>Julius Evola, like the other occultists of his era, didn't understand "eastern" religions/philosophies like Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, etc. If you're going to read that, you shouldn't read it to learn about Buddhism, but rather to learn how European occultists interpreted it, because that's its only value.

Correct. Evola was a dilettante.

>>15151831
>he is a hardcore Theravada partisan
lmao

I found your post by word searching "heresy" to see if anyone in 100 posts would state the obvious about Evola's book.

Evola was a HERETIC regarding classical Therevadan buddhadharma. He says that Buddha's followers perverted his teachings, specifically and especially the teaching of anatta, which according to Evola was originally something closer to the atman = brahman of Hinduism. To attempt to revise one of the Buddha's three characteristics of existence through wrong-headed philology is outrageously arrogant and does not AT ALL represent loyalty to the original Therevada. The philosophy Evola tries to promote in his book has nothing to do with traditional Buddhism.

>> No.15154804

>>15151895
Almost accurate, swap out the loli for John Dee.