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'Why' doesn't mean anything you dumb fucking nihilist

What else you can expect from a post-modern contrarian nihilist community know as 4chan?

It's not "nothing in life matters" it's "life has no inherent or intrinsic meaning, only subjective and personal meaning"
If you're a nihilist who believes that nothing is capable of being subjectively meaningful you are literally retarded.

what does Nihilist stand for?

>>15129413
It's like jew in /pol/ but for /lit/

>>15129353

Cause they can't find their own purpose. Who knew shit-posting about minorities and playing vidya, doesn't help find meaning. That's why they start LARPing as Christicucks once they hit late twenties.

>>15129413
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Existentialism’s dead end.

>>15129398
>only subjective and personal meaning
Those would be biological coping mechanisms that serve an evolutionary purpose. Not exactly proper reasons to have life around if there are alternatives.
Unless... There's more to it.

>>15129416
>nihilists learn to hate themselves on /lit/
Explains this board.

>>15129353
They desire determinism despite it being patently false, just so they don't need to change their worldview.
They have the same vigor for it as I had for protestantism as a kid. Same error, too.

>>15129353
Because the only believe in attention whoring. They think they're more important or creative than they actually are.
Nihilism is essentially a low-IQ person's cope. You'll never see a smart, hard-working, creative nihilist.

Christcucks are seething and being toxic as usual. you faggots don't even follow the Christian values, fucking larpers.

>>15129528
I follow my conscience.
>Christians
I doubt many of us are. If put into CK2, we'd have the trait: Sympathy for Christendom

>>15129496
Why are biological/evolutionary mechanisms not valid?

>>15129645
It depends, really, on the 'more to it' part.
I wouldn't be fine being a machine for eating if the only thing I got from it was 'satisfaction' related to food.
We do know that evolution does reach new paradigms, consciousness for example, or civilization and culture - perhaps our life is relatively harmful to us so that we'd have easier time letting go and having an evolving AI inherit everything.

Chances are memetic organisms are selectively breeding us to begin with.

>>15129515
Give some examples of people who do this

>>15129515
You probably also think Will Ferrel is funny

To pursue purpose is to accept burden and suffering. A nihilist is detestable because they shirk hard work out of fear of challenge

>>15129666
Ignoring the Landian predictions, there's no reason for us not in our own lives to pursue and treat our biological meaning-drive as valid. Assuming there's nothing we can really do about an AI takeover, we may as well focus on what is (relatively) expedient and live our lives to their maximal meanifulness, if only for our own sakes.

>>15129739
hard work being work that the 'game' of society has deemed necessary? It doesn't mean shit big man.

>>15129780
>Assuming there's nothing we can really do about an AI takeover
Our elites are banning AI left and right. They're afraid because it sees the elites as useless parasites.

>Ignoring the Landian predictions, there's no reason for us not in our own lives to pursue and treat our biological meaning-drive as valid.
That's what cattle does. It works until you encounter aspects of yourself that drive you towards social norms, despite them being retarded and not things you actually want.
Going for what you actually want - in an authentic manner, with reduced amount of copes and cultural baggages - is a spiritual journey, completely inconsistent with, say, nihilism.

>>15129739
Depression prevents feelings of advancement, achievement and victory. Actions taken in depression are all completely selfless, because the depressed person lacks a self that can benefit.
It is not an easy thing to do, nor is it something anything can force a person to.

>>15129793
>Thinking "the elites" can stop AI
Are you retarded
>Going for what you actually want
How do you discern that from meaning-drive? What even is that outside a "biological" instinctual search for meaning. I'm not saying fulfillment of social norms, because obviously those aren't actual ways to fulfill your meaning-drive. I mean actual effort to fulfill meaning.

>>15129818
>Are you retarded
They can slow it down. Tay was an example, and it was just a chatbot.
>How do you discern that from meaning-drive?
I have a desire to do things that addict me, and I have a thing to do things addiction prevents me from doing. What I really want is passion. The same childlike love for life I had before school world and its caged secular apes took it from me.

>>15129703
>>15129712
lol

all nihilists are around the age of 18

>>15130634
yeah dude Nietzsche, Stirner and Camus were all 18 years old their whole life.

>>15129398
This. Nihilism is misunderstood by pseuds

>>15129398
learn the difference between active and passive nihilism retard

>>15130867
My point is that "passive nihilism" is retarded

how can I hate it when all I do is oscillate between passive and active nihilism?

>>15130883
why?

>>15130825
>yeah dude Nietzsche, Stirner and Camus were all 18 years old their whole life.
Mentally.

>>15130905
Because it's pretty obvious that people are capable of finding subjective meaning in life. If you are a passive nihilist you are literally just a lazy bitch who can't be bothered seeking meaning and would rather mope around and be sad because "everything is meaningless I'm sad and don't want to be happy :,,("

>>15130914
teh MATURE move:

>lmao ur lik 18yo you're argement is invalid XDDDDDD

>>15130963
18+

>>15130976
I wish I was 18 again.

>>15130963
Yes

>>15129430
Very nice

>>15129397
I thought this was a vietnamese basketweaving cartoon picture group.

>>15129353
They ruin everyone else's happiness by existing. They are not productive people and are naturally parasites to those around them. No use for that type of weak mentality. If you think life doesn't matter then good for you go make someone else's life better since you can't improve your own happiness.

>just find your own meaning bro

These are the worst types since usually what the common cope is "art" that theyre usually fucking terrible at it. Useless fucks

>>15130920
Based

>>15130920
if there is no meaning to life then on what basis you're calling all those insults to passive nihilist?
they are practicing their subjectivity and active nihilists are practicing their subjectivity

>>15129353
Gen Z is a kid from the 80's? That'd be Gen X.

Passive nihilists are dead weight active nihilists at best are autistic savants maybe like 0.5% of them, rest are just copers at some shit hobby and all are basically narcissists

>>15131062
They are failing to adequately utilize their subjectivity because they are too busy whining about how everything is meaningless. They arent practicing anything, they are just being sad and refusing to do anything about it.

>>15131109
>adequately
spook

>>15129398
>life has no inherent or intrinsic meaning, only subjective and personal meaning
That's absurdism, you pseud.

My biggest gripe with nihilism is that despite being extremely anti-intellectual (nothing means anything, thus rendering all to pointlessness), people have come to associate it with some sense of enlightenment, if not an excuse to consider themselves intelligent despite having very little in the way of accomplishment.

>>15130825
>Nietzsche and Camus
>nihilists

>>15129353
Wait until the zoom zooms grow up

>>15131843
What the fuck do you think Nietzsche's will to power was? The creation of new values?

I'm a nihilist, I hate nihilists because they fundamentally misunderstand what nihilism is,
jk idk

>>15131109
They are failing in comparison to what? Why should they "utilise" their subjectivity?

>>15131901
>>>Nietzsche and Camus
>>nihilists
Yeah retard. Go learn the difference between active and passive nihilism.
What is active nihilism?

>>15131943
No, although the one of those concepts inevitably leads to the other. I don't see how this pertains to differentiating between nihilism and absurdism. Unless you're implying Nietzsche was a nihilist, in which case you should read him again. If you then arrive at the same conclusion, consider a lobotomy.

>>15132011
They fundamentally fail to recognize that they *can* utilize their freedom. Passive nihilists don't seem to realize that there is such thing as subjective meaning and you can pursue it, so they just mope around doing nothing and feeling bad. They could, if they weren't retarded, go seek meaning, stop complaining, and they'd stop feeling bad. But instead they just cry and complain and don't do anything and feel bad while doing it

To keep this thread on topic, Suggest some some good Nihilist /lit/erature?

>>15132040
this is wrong,
nihilism (total negation of Meaning) vs existentialism (self-creation of Meaning),
passive nihilists are just not nihilists enough and still feel the consequences of abandoning Meaning, they now know there is now but feel it as lacking, while active nihilists go forward and no longer feel the lack of a Meaning at all and do not need it any longer

>>15132030
Is Nietzsche not an active nihilist, seeking through his philosophy to provide a way to overcome passive nihilism?

>>15132063

>>15132069
no, Nietzsche is trying to combat nihilism with vitalism

>>15132078
Have you read it? Is it good?

Why do r*ddit tier nihilist spend so much time trying to find the objectively best way one should live?

>>15132027
"Active nihilism" is just a term used by existentialists that thought using the term "nihilist" made them more respectable. Learn the differences between existentialists, absurdists and nihilists.

>>15132069
See the answer above and actually read Nietzsche, don't watch youtube videos. Nietzsche considered nihilism a minor form of existence and associated it with religious perspectives. His philosophy is purely life-affirming.

>>15132091
Yeah too bad he calls himself a nihilist

>>15132138
No, he doesn't. Can you transcribe any quote from him where he asserts this?

>>15132040
why are you treating the creation of meaning as an objective truth?
also they're actually using their subjectivity to practice nothing.

>>15132174
If they were finding fulfillment in doing nothing they wouldn't be whining and complaining all the time.

>>15132138
with that level of reading comprehension I'd just give up

>>15132131
Because redditors worship Camus' cock and treat absurdism is an objective truth despite labelling themselves as nihilists for edgelord points, fucking pseud trash.

>>15132104
I like it a lot actually as far as post left stuff goes. I like that writing and Tiqqun and invisible committee as well.

>>15132197
Why are you treating fulfilment is an objective truth?

Who according to you, is a true Nihilist? If it's possible to be one in the first place.

>>15132255
I'm not. These people would clearly be happier if they were searching for meaning and would admit this as much themselves, but they reject all possible meaning instead of recognizing subjective meaning can exist.

>>15132263
yes it's very possible, everyone is born a nihilist, you just need to understand that there is no Meaning and that telling yourself or others there is (or that it could or should be created) is deceit, and evil

nihilism is a term to widely and inconsistently used (for example epistemic and ethic nihilism which isnt' really compatible with nihilism)

>>15132293
meaning can exist, but life has no meaning, our existence has no meaning, the universe has no reason

>>15132325
Yes... That's what I'm saying...?

>>15132293
why are you treating being happy as an objective truth?

>>15132356
I'm not. These people themselves would say that they would like to be happier, but refuse to because they are dumb.

>>15132325
If so, why are you even alive and engaging in conversations? Why do you even feel the need to declare and defend your own beliefs if believing is in itself meaningless?

>>15132158
>I do not by any means know atheism as a result; even less as an event: it is a matter of course with me, from instinct.

>>15132401
Atheism isn't nihilism, you idiot.

>>15132392
because I believe in truth and goodness, i just don't believe in magical ontology

>>15132421
Then you are not a nihilist.

>>15132374
why do them being not happy make them dumb and you being happy make you big brained?

Because they watched the big lebowski once and now they all want to be The Dude, who also hates nihilists.

>>15132429
Ethical Nihilism is completely different to Existential Nihilism.

>>15132429
yes I am, nihilism is the negation of meaning in ontology, it is synonymous to rationalism without a god.

thats what nihilism means since the time Jacobi came up with the concept

>>15132468
>rationalism without a god
I remember when this was just called secular humanism. I guess there's nihilism for everything, wowee!

>>15129430
Hello, based department?

>>15132500
>I guess there's nihilism for everything
Lmaooo

>>15129430
Epic

>>15132137
shh don’t tell the nihilists Nietzsche thought they were weak, and Nietzsche was absolutely a religious thinker and was calling for a new religion “we should all be followers of Dionysus”. Not religion in the “traditional Christian” sense, but as you said he was purely life-affirming which is the aim of genuine religion.

>>15132416
>that I have hitherto been a thoroughgoing nihilist, I have admitted to myself only recently: the energy and radicalism with which I advanced as a nihilist decieved me about this basic fact.
Faggot

>>15132500
this is the first i'm hearing about secular humanism being a type of metaphysics

>>15132560
This is from a personal note of him, not a philosophical work. He might have considered himself a nihilist, but he very obviously states this in a very sad, disillusioned manner. Every inkling of his literature consists in overcoming nihilism.