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Derrida was best at highlighting that previous philosophy since the Stoics always (unjustly) centered on the primacy of 'presence' but other than that no there has been no advance

>>15118989
Its already solved lamo

it's pretty much solved. i just have to write it up.

>>15118989
Nah, we're even more far away than they were. "Philosophy" now is mere autistic bugman logic.

>>15118989
20th and 21st century philosophy is a bunch of unecessary big words. Greeks and Buddhists are infinitely more worth reading.

>>15118989
Wittgenstein

>>15118989
No. We are much further away, as the question of philosophy is not one of technical solutions but of a relation to being and the form of life.
Modern philosophy destroys as it reveals, so every fact becomes a greater weight to be carried. The end of being with every answer.

Christianity solved the problems but now we're back at pagan nonsense for the most part

>>15118989
Pyrrho already solved (debunked) philosophy.

>>15118989
>solving philosophy
there is nothing to solve, only update though out time.

>>15118989
We must imagine Wojack happy

>>15118989
Of course we are. Science progresses over time.

>>15119029
>Wittgenstein
Didn't do shit.

>>15119176
There's nothing to solve and science isn't philosophy.

>>15119135
how does tripcode work now.

>>15119227
Science and philosophy"s divorce happened only in the 19th century thanks to the eternal Anglo. They are one and the same. Two sides of the same coin.

>>15119237
Otherway around, actually. They were always seperate but bugman Anglos saw them as the same shit.

>>15119227
Of course science is philosophy. Science is precisely one of the 'solutions' that philosophy has provided and that the OP is seeking.

>>15119228
same as it always did?
-hungry

>>15119241
So Aristotle and Descartes and Leibniz etc were all "bugman Anglos"? You have no idea what you're talking about, and it shows.

>>15118989
The Greeks did solve philosophy tho

>>15119244
Science is not a solution but a tool to make sense of the material world. Philosophy goes beyond that.

>>15119255
Based Heraclitus was right about literally everything, yes

>>15119241
>always separate
Nigger, what does it profit you to spew such retarded-ass bullshit? The first philosopher, Thales, was known for his work in astronomy and engineering. Pretty much every pre-Socratic (save for the Sophists) was a scientist-philosopher. Aristotle, one of the GOAT, was as much (if not more) a natural scientist as he was a philosopher. Descartes: optics and mathematics. Leibniz invented fucking calculus. Every German idealist made some contribution to logic. Jesus Christ almighty you are so fucking dumb.

>>15119263
>goes beyond that
By being a tool to understand things that don't exist and matter?

>>15118989
I thought philosophy is a way of thinking, there can be many philosophies and then there's also a minimalist set of truths which all of those traditions worth talking about agree upon - logic, reason primacy and so on.

But then think about how far we got, considering from where we started... we were like dogs and look at us.

According to Socrates dogs are true philosophers because they “distinguish the face of a friend and of an enemy only by the criterion of knowing and not knowing” and concluded that dogs want to learn things because by learning they determine what they like and what they do not based upon knowledge of the truth.

>>15119264
Heraclitus made an admirable effort, but his architectonic could not ultimately withstand the corrective force of Parmenides and the Eleatic doctrine.

>>15119272
Science is what you know, philosophy is what you don't know. Things in the material world are not the only things that matter. Otherwise the world would be very limited and you'd fall into faggy scientism.

This seems like a good place to ask. Has anyone read Plotinus? Is it worth the effort?

>>15119318
All the anti-Gnostics are cringe.

>>15119300
So philosophy's ultimate goal is to stop existing? Doesn't that make all philosophical activity inherently self destructive?

Philosophy is an act, not a problem to be solved.

>>15119271
Your mum can be a whore and a mother at the same time and never explicitly mix those things.

>>15119325
So cancer research's ultimate goal is to stop existing? Doesn't that make all cancer reesearching activity inherently self destructive?

>>15119158
based

>>15119300
The idea that there is anything beyond the material world is baseless speculation. Philosophy is just the more theoretical side of science.

>>15119323
I thought he had a large influence on them

>>15119339
They aren't equivalent at all

>>15119335
Scientific methodology is philosophical. Math is philosophical. You’ve been meme’d into believing that all philosophy entails is spouting unfalsifiable imsodeep shit

>>15119346sdfgasdg OF SELF DESTRUCTION RETARDF *tickle totrudes you*

>>15118989
I don't know, but I'm glad this picture portrays the reality of things. Sisyphus is NOT happy.

>>15119343
There were lots of "baseless speculations" throughout the history of science, too. Doesn't really mean people won't get there at some point. It's just a more distant goalpost and a more distant destination than say the Sun, but science had/had to rely on faith as well in some instances until the fact was proven.

>>15119029
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>>15119360
Nobody cares if Sisyphus is actually happy. One needs to imagine him happy.
But asking for actual happiness might be too much.

>>15119351
There is such a field of study as philosophy of mathematics, yes, but mathematics itself isn't philosophical. It's only an abstract language.

>>15119335
Are you asserting primacy over Pythagoras, the mathematician who defined his own work as philosophy? You're a know-nothing trying on contrarianism because you lack substantial thought as well as any information worth hearing. In his trial, Socrates was accused of natural philosophy: "ζητῶν τά τε ὑπὸ γῆς καὶ οὐράνια." In English, that's zeteticism, aka skepticism or the progenitor of scientific inquiry.

>>15119390
Stop gate keeping philosophy, I reject your system as it is incongruent with my own reality

>>15119402
Sorry I hurt your fee fees, plebbitor. You can continue living in your bubble of filth now. As you were.

>>15119421
Hurt my feelings? Pfft. I have a doctorate from an accredited university. Were we to inhabit more civilized times you would think twice before condescending to your superiors kid

>>15119432
Quite ironic you don't have a legitimate answer, Mr Fancy University. Imagine sucking so bad that you have to resort to reality-denying isolation (essentially putting your fingers in your ears and shouting "lalalala") and rancid salty elitism. Your worthless pathetic kind is deservedly going into extinction, boy.

>>15119478
A legitimate answer? As if one as destitute as yourself has any grounds to met out what is legitimate and what is not. If only you did not possess the reading comprehension of a mongoloid and the absent-mindedness of an insect, then you would see I have laid out the legitimate answer for you between the lines. If you’ll excuse me, I have some investments in American plastics to make. A good night to you, child,

>>15119402
>Uses gatekeeping unironically
Lmao, philosophy is just white men intellectual masturbation. If you don't gatekeep then what's the point

>>15119507
*puts index fingers in his ears*
LALALALALALALALALALA (>>15119402
) <---- this counts as a legitimate argument in top notch universities

>>15119524
You’re fucking donzo kid, I’m going to remember your fucking face. Better think twice before you TALK SHIT

Kant held the key

Parmenides solved philosophy when he said that everything is the same thing, btfoing whitehead and guenonfags

When Hegel, Feuerbach, and Marx invented materialism, philosophy ended and became science.

>>15119521
im probably the best philosopher itt and im not white or man

that said philosophy is largely solved, but everyone should be taught good philosophy.

>>15118989
philosophy is solved after you die
the allegory of the cave is much bigger than we anticipated - the living are all inside the cave

>>15120615
What are some good philosophy? Who should I read?

>>15120626
i was glib. but basically there are genuine problems and then there are troll problems philosophers have managed to get themselves trapped into. the latter is largely resolved. it's possible to categorize these problems according to what they show about the structures of reasoning. basically i'm talking about a category theoretic approach to philosophy, studying how philosophical disagreements fall into familiar camps due to these structures. the current climate is really treating positions as opposing trading cards with advantages/disadvantages rather than focusing on their relation to each other and how these faculties of reason hang together. i don't know if non-philosophers will find most of this stuff edifying, but metaethics and maybe the cognitive stuff are helpful. the basic epistemic virtues etc stuff i assume you already understand, unless you are some kind of religion tard.

for the genuine problems just learn to be understanding, be sensitive and act from love, reason and information. etc etc.

>>15118989
The bolder is actually rolling down hill. Philosophy is the art of running, balanced on the bolder, back up towards the top of the hill so we dont fall under the bolder and get crushed.

>>15120713
>The bolder is actually rolling down hill. Philosophy is the art of running, balanced on the bolder, back up towards the top of the hill so we dont fall under the bolder and get crushed.

>>15118989
Everything except advaita vedanta is brainlet cope

>>15120816
are you a pajeet or just an american with exotic interests?

>>15120837
Neither , awakened euro

>>15120848
basado

>>15120848
what do you recommend reading?

>>15120816
why be a crypto-buddhist when can be an actual buddhist?

>>15120853

Drg drshya viveka. Aparoksha anubhuti. Mandukya karika. Then ashtavakra and avadhut Gita add bhagavd gita as well

>>15120854
dont care for dogmafagging just sweet enlightenment bliss and enjoying material life as well

>>15120902
are you enlightened?

>>15120911
''Witness is still there, we are just no longer identified with it. It hasn't really collapsed permanently. Then there would be no experience possible. So, the sage knows that the world and the Soul are in essence consciousness, but also is the Witness to the manifestations of that consciousness which maintains itself as a principle that is non-separate yet distinct from that consciousness. The sage retains a sense of self, a personality (body, tendencies and traits), and also the Soul's 'shadow' of that personality, the ego, in order to have a world and function in it. Egoism may be more or less gone, but the ego as a function is still there.

In Tibetan Buddhism, the apparent manifestation is seen as quite natural, with nothing much needed to be done about other than a change of view - of heart, attitude, or perspective. It is not meant to disappear. So, in another way, Gampopa simply said:

"Since appearances are the natural display of the mind, it is unnecessary to abandon them. Tilopa indicated this when he said, 'It is not by appearances that you are fettered, but by fixation on them. So abandon that fixation.' It is not what you experience that causes confusion, it is your fixation on the experience as being inherently what it appears to be. Therefore only this fixation need be relinquished, not experience itself."''

This would describe my current experience . As the zen saying goes ''Rivers are rivers again and mountains are mountains'' im deepening this awareness

>>15120911
The initial direct experience could be described as
Gta soundtrack mission completed starts playing ,the cutscene begins ,you are transported beyond duality in complete bliss beyond conditional reality, credits:brahman
You are reborn a new and back to the game. Beat hookers or collect achievements , enjoy.

>>15120854
buddhism is copypasta interpretation of upanishads

>>15118989
What the are you implying there is to solve? Philosophy is a study. One will never solve math, physics, psychology, and so on. What do you exactly mean?

>>15122107
he means he thinks philosophy transcends humanity and has an absolute goal

>>15119285
Lol hey guenonfag

>>15119023
what it means to mean , me do big brain thinks

>>15120701
Are you an Asian woman?

>>15122446
i am onionring

>>15118989
no its only getting worse

>>15121227
Have you experienced it?

Schoppy is literally the end game of philosophy