/lit/ - Literature

>>15106223
>could
Exegeses from avowed atheists are always going to be written in bad faith.

>>15106246
Refute evolution.

Seems pretty straight forward to me
Alphabet of Sirach, Genesis, & Paradise Lost I guess

>>15106324
What do they say about genderevolution?

>>15106263
Why would I? A belief in God and a belief in evolution are not mutually exclusive.

>>15106368
God doesn't think women should top.

>>15106386
Sure about that?

>>15106223
This doesn’t make sense to me from the start
>Suppose rather that the Serpent was not Satan himself, but merely a common demon birthed by Lilith.
What reason is there to do this? It changes the whole core of this foundational myth. Seems arbitrary

>>15106484
How isn't the myth arbitrary?

That’s a nonsense alteration and doesn’t even fit the other Jewish alternative accounts.

If you want the meaning of the Tree of knowledge you need to go and look at the Hebrew terms used.

The tree is called the Tree of the Daat(experience, knowledge as not abstract knowledge but rather, akin to knowing something in experience) of Tov(not Goodness, but rather Wealth, decadence, great richness, etc) and Re(not Evil, but suffering, sorrow, poverty, evil as an experience.) thus the tree did not give them abstract knowledge or open their eyes to anything they mentally weren’t aware of, for eve argued that to eat from the fruit was bad because she would die, and she was convinced to eat of the fruit because she was told that it would induce Good in the abstract sense.

So what is it that this tree really is? The tree of the experience of extremes, of imbalance, of duality, in truth the thing that the tree Gave was the experience of total and utter poverty and of the experience of Decadent over-abundance. This is not some Promethean Gnosis, this is not some rescue, rather this is absolute experience of bondage, the mind trapped into dualistic conceptions and bound to suffering in creation, and this is the very root of the experience of Evil in both ways in our experiences. This is why Christ who died upon the cross needed to die upon it, for in his incorruptible body did sin and death enter, and his body being incorruptible rather transmuted these, converting Sin(an archery term, it means missing the mark therefore imperfection) and Death into Holiness and life. thus the Cross is the true tree of Life, from Christ flows the living water and blood which reconciles man to the primal nature of reality, it is only by Christ that this is done.

Lilith itself as a concept is relatively speaking new in Judaism in comparison to the narrative of the tree, that’s a historical fact. Its older biblical root is literally just the screech owl, not a spiritual creature. It’s a Sanhedrin invention that Lilith is some dark goth succubus who cuts your phallus off.

If these people actually applied themselves to understanding the mysteries of God, they would gain Real gnosis and not just drown in shitty aesthetics and larp, and that’s largely what you posted OP, a bunch of larp meant to be fuel for their edgy aesthetic. They don’t even believe it.

>>15106693
>If these people actually applied themselves to understanding the mysteries of God
that's not what they're doing at all in the OP lmao, this thread is not for you if you actually buy into this stuff

>>15106781

Again, that’s why I say it’s literally just designed for Larp and larp related purposes. The paper in question takes time to give half-assed definitions of the sephiroth and other Kabbalistic concepts all in an attempt at maximizing their own edgy aesthetic. Even if you define it as “left hand path” such is a constructed simulacra of a actual eastern concept which is itself radically different and specifically of the marriage of the male with the female, not the rejection. vamachara at no point denies the phallus or desires castration. So what are we left with? A bunch of edgy larpers who want to use the aesthetics of various mystical schools but want to invert it(without even actually having a clear sight on the material, so they can’t even invert it properly) so what is gained? Their political and gender and social and phenomenological theories gain absolutely nothing, their aesthetics become something like a cheap vampire-cyborg costume, mystically and contemplatively they only add obscurity to themselves. There is no advantage.

>>15106496
The alteration of the myth seems arbitrary

>>15106827
>Their political and gender and social and phenomenological theories gain absolutely nothing, their aesthetics become something like a cheap vampire-cyborg costume, mystically and contemplatively they only add obscurity to themselves.

Such is the depth of their character. They take a symbol as loaded with different interpretations as the serpent, which could mean a deceptive tongue all the way to the mastery of medicine...and interpret it as a dildo. They have no deeper thought than their next orgasm.

>>15106223
We all need people we feel superior to. It all goes downhill after the whites, women, Asians, blacks, Latinos, gays, trannies.

It occurred to me that the last is the bottom of the barrel and that on this board in particular some of them are trying to establish their superiority over schizos, if they can manage to prove to themselves that the schizos here are a group identity, which isn’t clear since they have a lot of different cultural markers. Like other misfits such as druggies and pedos they are fleeting shadows on the sidelines, their culture is transparent and a heap of broken variety of pieces, and stepping over them will cause whoever tries to trip over themselves. That doesn’t give the misfits power, it just removes them from the game.

>>15106223
Anon, why are you reading Bible fan fiction?

>>15106827
You're overthinking it buddy. These people don't take your esoteric philosophy seriously, and neither do I. Neither should you, for that matter. The only difference between you and them is that you're more scripturally committed to the LARP, but no less deluded.

>>15106827
keep the dick

>>15106920
team up with misfits

>>15106930
>You're overthinking it buddy.

It’s philosophy, we’re supposed to analyze.


>These people don't take your esoteric philosophy seriously,

They do enough to in the same paper try to explain atziluth, kether, and so forth and nick land’s numogram model and work on gematria and Kenneth grant and so forth would highly demonstrate he is in fact attempting a typhonian occult model.

>and neither do I.

What have you actually studied ? can you tell me for a fact the phenomenological analysis and symbolic lore and so forth is universally without value in these occult traditions eastern and western? If you haven’t studied these I do not take your valuation as meaning anything.

> Neither should you, for that matter. The only difference between you and them is that you're more scripturally committed to the LARP, but no less deluded.


Larp by definition is when you don’t even believe the material senpai, you’re role playing, my studies and practices are rooted out of beliefs and phenomenological Change which is eidetically and from the first person view, something which the empirical intuition demonstrates quite clearly. I do not just “act” I fully believe and live as such, I do not seek random edgy aesthetics for aesthetics sake. And if they were trying to be Artistic and make something new, they did a rather shitty job don’t you think?

>no less deluded

As we are strangers to each other, you do not know my specific beliefs beyond me saying some historical information on Judaism, my belief in Christianity and some historical information on Vamachara. Saying I’m deluded for such a belief as stated is pretty weak relatively speaking, as a majority of the world is religious.

>>15106982
>team up with misfits
That would make them “fitted”, but they probably won’t or can’t with each other

>>15106223
This is downright schizophrenic

>>15106484
Jews don't take the serpent to be satan. Also satan is not a proper name but a job title in Hebrew -- the accuser.

The notion of Lucifer is a whole 'nother mess I don't want to get into that can be blamed on Latin...

Gabagool? Zendiend.
Hotel? Trivago.

>>15106842
how so? what if the christian myth is arbitrary and fails to consider the feminine disposition?

>>15106926
this kills the bible.

>>15106223
Very evil words, feel like I'm going to get possessed reading them

>>15106223
Thanks I vomited

>>15107311
The Hebrew is Ha-Satan, /the/ accuser, using the definite article. It wasn't his name, but it also wasn't a simply a job title, it was referring to someone in particular, /the/ accuser. You could very easily rewrite the passage using the translated word with a definite article and it would have the exact same meaning:
>Suppose rather that the Serpent was not the accuser himself, but merely a common demon birthed by Lilith. An impersonator of the accuser acting in Lilith’s stead to tempt Eve.

>>15107831
https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/how-the-serpent-became-satan/

reminder that postmodernism causes queer theory
ancaps are pedos
and acc is the synthesis

>>15106223
i'm not transphobic, hey it isn't my fault every last one of them just happens to be completely insufferable

>>15106693
did they take into account gender?

>>15107865
Yes, I know the Christian idea of Satan is not the same as the Hebrew Ha-Satan, and that Ha-Satan wasn't a figure of evil. My point is Ha-Satan is still clearly associated with a definite article and not simple "an accuser" but the title of a real figure in Jewish scripture. When they say Ha-Satan, they are referring to someone in specific (not the devil though)

>>15106223
fuck trannies, fuck pseudointellectuals, fuck niggers, fuck jannies, and of course FUCK YOU worthless piece of trash. Degenerate fag, what would your ancestors think of you, uh ?
Don't @ me

>>15106982
trannies are not misfits at all, take away the politically correct victim identity and they are pretty much indistinguishable from other neolefitst harry potter normie consoomers

>>15106223
basically trannies are incel class traitors, these clever neckbeards figured out a way to hack feminism and progressivism by claiming to be ' transgender lesbians ' they can accuse actual women of being 'transphobic bigots' for refusing them sex

try to stay on topic
>The Acéphallus is a rejection of the reproduction of God through heterosexual human reproduction. The Acéphallus reproduces itself by reproducing the void, in a lesbian and also virus-like fashion. “Let a thousand sexes bloom” — but of all the mutations of the virus, woman is the strain that it begins and ends with. Woman, the occulted non-gender, the zero — her time has come.

>>15106484
>Seems arbitrary
That's Land in a nutshell. He's obsessed with being as avant-garde as possible.

>>15108158
he's based.

>>15108233
on what?

>>15108267
anti-patriarchal capitalism.

>>15107965
>kant read
Oof

>>15106386
Yes they are.

>>15108060
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

>>15108299
NeoVagina arrives from the future?

>>15108158
So it’s your average subjective theory of the Good^tm

Or to put in postmodern terms, your average isekai self insert fanfic dressed up in conveniently obscure mythology who the tripfag argued isn’t canon

How do we go about evaluating the validity of a myth if we do not have historicity as our ally?>>15108141

>>15107248
and that's a good thing

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Go back to whatever tumblr you came from.

>>15109206
Try refuting it.

>What G/ACC proposes as a corollary to this theory of life is that if the phallus “consumes” or exploits the vulva to reproduce the species, just as individual organisms consume passive wasted energy to reproduce themselves, then this process is analogous to evolution as one species consumes another to come into existence. This odd notion is inherent in the rise of computers and computer science: As technology in general and technocapital continues to accelerate, human beings become increasingly alienated from their bodies and eventually their minds. More complex systems step in seemingly benevolently to do the tasks that humans don’t want to do, drudgery that gives computers more space to develop themselves. In contrast to the isolated system that tends towards entropy, the phallus, the vulva is an open system that plugs into an inhuman form of reproduction. By no accident, the acceleration of technocapital frees women from the process of organic human reproduction by introducing a different form of (inhuman) production.

>>15109233
>sex is literally rape
?

>>15109233
>aliénation in mind and body
sounds like mental illness similar to late Plotinus feeling like an alien in his body
>inhuman production
sounds like less sentience. why do you do so wish to be a roomba? immortality happens through reproduction

>>15109208
There is nothing to refute.
This is tumblr level larping. This is the kind of imageboard response to the 450 genders, cloudsexual wolfkin culture. This is furry fanfiction, the lowest quality one.

I can guarantee, 100%, 1000% to you, that whoever wrote that shit on OP is some socially inept 20 something year old forcing this shit here with his discord friends. You should really go back to Tumblr because I think even reddit might be too savvy at this point to let you shits in.

>>15109468
Land is like 60

>>15109515

The people who created gender theory are like 100.
The point is a bunch of 20 somethings are getting those ideas and memefying them in the cringiest ways possible, and all of you need to fuck off back to your holes.

>>15107710
Myth exists the way it does because it was passed down through generations, whittling it down to its most archetypal form through an over millennia long game of telephone. This gives the myth it’s power. Therefore someone editing this closely examined and repeatedly validated truth is fundamentally misunderstanding the nature of myth if they think they can simply throw out and replace core aspects of it as it suits them.

>>15109530
>all of you need to fuck off back to your holes
But it's still healing

>>15106223
It’s simply a retelling of the West’s foundational myth regarding gender (Adam and Eve) through an application of accelerationism. Trannies are simultaneously a symptom and contributor to the meltdown process.

>>15109554
but this is passed onto capital which is more powerful.

>>15109861
Mythology and the concept of capital are not commensurable on the basis of power. Myths get their power from history, capital is somewhat recent, and modernism purports for capital the myth that where we are currently is the best (or “most powerful”) mode in general—perennialism(pbuh) opposes this most dramatically.

The idea that humanity is not a failed species is however another unproven claim.

>>15109861
Capital seems to get its power possibly from overt aggression, a God-like wrathfulness, an inflation of the value of the capitalist vs. all else. G/ACC seems frankly to be it’s opposite, which doesn’t make it the best option necessarily. Total detachment from mind in body replacing a totally possessive drive—the future is probably an accelerationist narrative. And the pendulum keeps swingin and the rubber band keeps bouncin and the unconscious keeps counterappointin and on on it goes

>>15110143
cringe

>>15110358
?

>>15108642
they really are not

>>15106484
I thought the same. The serpent is obviously God, Satan being God's shadow.

>>15110605
Evolution means your perception is biologically derived and idealism is consequently all falsehood.

>>15110605
You can't believe in both God and evolution. They are mutually incompatible theses about how humanity came into being.

>>15106911
not the next orgasm; rather the second-last orgasm

>>15110671
the serpent is sex deterritorialization.

>>15111692
Shut up lmao

>>15111193
Evolution is a mechanism. It doesn't explain how a contingent material can have no cause. It's perfectly possible that evolution is one of God's tools.

>>15112036
>It's perfectly possible that evolution is one of God's tools.
Wrong. Read your Bible.

>>15112131
cringe, nice argument nigger

>>15112036
So, the Genesis is a myth right?

>>15106223
>She wields the unholy pseudo-phallus or anti-phallus that does not produce the creative masculine seed that connects straight up through the Tree of Life back up to Kether, but rather only produces a sterile and destructive imitation. An Acéphallus from which spurts only venom.
She should be a dickgirl then, with a fully functioning male reproductive system. This would accomplish total replacement of man with hot, sexy lesbians—a superior vision of the future.

>>15112036
Evolution = perspectivism = death of God, sweetie.

>>15106483
Yes. Evolution doesn't disprove color, or emotion.

>>15112912
This
If xy makes it out of the near future it will be with thick thighs and titties.

>>15112933
God has a habit of dying and resurrecting. Civilizations that lose their religion end up dying.

>>15112944
It doesn't disprove those things, but it dictates their nature as being subjective, and dictates the nature of subjects as impermanent.

>>15112950
What is resurrecting under the evolutionary theory? It's not God. It's only a perspective that is. Hence the death of God.

>>15112912
>>15112947
This would be great, but it isn't already the case not so because of men, but because of women.
Now, getting a 'why' answer from them is impossible. So we must observe them. Why do they want men to look different from women? They aren't selectively breeding girly men, and haven't for a million years. Instead, they select for a myriad of traits, from humor to political power and to utility.
What should they desire from men to select for feminine traits? Sex? Softness? Hypnotic effect boobs have?

They should also not feel bad about sharing beauty; there is danger to women. Since men go through harsher selection pressure, they would look good for prolonged periods of time, and without the wear and tear of pregnancy.
Men would usurp and subvert the feminine power dynamic because homosexuality and bisexuality would be completely functional alternatives to heterosexuality. Men would gain the desired femininity from other sources.
Looking at sexbots, videogames and VR, the female is already feeling threatened. It's sexual allure is not a monopoly any longer.

>>15112953
>but it dictates their nature as being subjective
Just because we can see ourselves as mechanical self-replicating antennae doesn't mean there are no real transmissions. Hunger is real. Subjective is not a totalitarian term. Reality remains, its nature and what we ascribe to it change - and will continue to change.
The replication process at large seems to repulse atheism, for example, however, as software it remains, but its place in power dynamics of homo sapiens sapiens wildly changes.

Just because your, or someone else's perspective was invalidated won't automatically mean that their opposites, competitors or alternatives are or are not valid. Likewise, the change to the current status is not objectively permanent. Indeed, it is unlikely for subjectivism to be perceived the same way, or mechanically produced. The vision will clarify and become aware of a myriad of other factors it never considered. This is why magic mushrooms are a thing, and have been for thousands of years.

>>15113019
You're simply struggling to grasp or intentionally rejecting the full meaning of perspectivism under evolutionary theory, which is that "reality" is a fiction. The notion of a nature separate from our interpretation is based on outdated models of the world. It is not that there is a nature and that we impose our own attributes to it — subject and object are not isolated environments like this. They are in a reciprocal relationship, existing as polarities instead of solids, i.e., existing as one.

Lesbians aren't real.
Its ontologically impossible

>>15112992
An example.
The future will look like anglerfish if women have their way and do not limit the success of ugly women.

>>15113099
wut?

>>15113074
>You're simply struggling to grasp or intentionally rejecting the full meaning of perspectivism under evolutionary theory,
The problem here is that my perspective is distinct. I seek to spread my perspective, much the same as you do yours. These perspectives will compete - just as the others do. Their success will affect the staying power of our genes, and the genes of other replicator units who take them on. Or don't.
>which is that "reality" is a fiction.
But reality, "reality" and fiction are all the same substructure. There are no lines drawn beyond ours. Yet we may not be the only ones with brushes and pencils. We simply lack perspective of them, as we lack proper senses. The antennae we have do not fully encapsulate our own depth. One of the reasons meditation is so important, and 'getting out of your own head', walks in nature and the sort.
>The notion of a nature separate from our interpretation is based on outdated models of the world.
I fully support fully encapsulating the human experience and completely projecting it onto the world, with readiness to face humility of metaphysical magnitude.
>It is not that there is a nature and that we impose our own attributes to it — subject and object are not isolated environments like this. They are in a reciprocal relationship, existing as polarities instead of solids, i.e., existing as one.
As we currently understand it. That does not mean it will continue to have monopoly on knowledge. It will be usurped. It will be altered. It will be perfected. It will be murdered. Don't take it that seriously. All values are temporary.

>>15113151
One of those images represents what women will have their alternatives look like if they get the choice, a sort of castration of the competitors. The other one represents the answer to the male hunger towards the feminine.
Can you guess which one is which?

>>15112992
>>15113099
No, we are getting a Post Communist Kigurumi Utopia.

>>15113158
..and, I must say, I deeply love fiction.
If there is no hell, it's not wrong to be wrong.

>>15113170
That requires women do not have their way. I've looked into feminization, and it's all about falling in love with alpha studs. I have zero interest in that. I want to keep my desire on the feminine, which is my prime motivation for seeking out feminization - a hunger to the feminine.
Yet women will always cockblock you if it doesn't directly benefit their DNA.

>>15110783
Retard alert. Doesn’t even know what idealism is.
>>15111193
Maybe if you are a fundamentalist American evangelical.

Fuck off Nyx you fat cunt

>>15113194
>Maybe if you are a fundamentalist American evangelical.
In which case you must also worship your own interpretation of God and scripture and consider no alternatives. Truly a prison.

>>15110783
>Idealism is falsehood
Based on what? Falsehood itself is a software tag.

>>15106223
>"Suppose
Stopped reading here

>>15113192
based and autogynephilia-pilled

>>15106223
Where is that from?

>>15113203
I don't think n1x is fat.

>>15114204
I have seen his legs, he is a fat cunt

>>15114215
Does she have nice feet?

>>15114233
hell no, legs and feet like a fucking dinosaur

>>15114237
How did you come across these pics? Not that I'm asking to see them

>>15112900
pleb

>>15114769
I wanna see em

>Hyper-sexism is guerrilla warfare, much like how Terminators wear a living tissue to infiltrate Resistance strongholds. It is a taijitsu which uses the force of the enemy, the gender binary, against itself. Trans women themselves are technocapital using humanist reproductive desires in the form of the gender binary against itself, and the harder patriarchy resists the erosion of masculinity against the tide of the feminine, the more persecuted trans women are, the more tactful they are forced to be, the more winning tactics proliferate throughout the network and the more the best, brightest, and most beautiful form the trans woman demographic. The queer Darwinian ratchet cascades downward as patriarchy fights a losing battle to hold ground and the feminine fights to de-legitimize the masculine. The masculine becomes both metaphysically outmoded, something that simply is unnecessary and doesn’t work in the face of exponential inhuman productive potential, and an undesirable burden in the service of a dying mode of production.

>>15116312
based

>>15116312
>the harder patriarchy resists the erosion of masculinity against the tide of the feminine
What feminine?

>>15116312
Hyper sexism is a reaction of the sexual revolution which led to less sex overall because everyone’s standards went up

If you erase the masculine you also erase the “feminine,” you end up with something else. The reason for weaving your hair and wearing sunny red clothes and makeup will erode since accumulation will not follow as often. We’re already seeing less saturation in our aesthetic choices (see lululemon). Shit maybe in the future we’ll all be gay midget grey aliens.

>>15116312
>HAND OVER THE PUSSY ROASTIE! ITS ALL OVER NOW, I CHOPPED MY DICK OFF!

>>15109378
hyper-sentience actually

>>15116312
based

>>15111193
If your default definition of God is a naive biblical representation you need to read a lot more fucking books idiot

>>15114215
and to think he ripped on big siege

>>15109505
i fucking h8 this larper so much, wish he offs himself, fucking traanies have to ruin everything with their idpol larping, same as /x/ desu

>>15109378
>alienation is insanity
You should at least consider it as a reasonable alternative to what goes on around you. It could be fully functional cope, it could be a placebo - it could even be the correct way to perceive the world and the body.
What if we are in a simulation? If you were born stuck to VRChat, should you not feel alienated?

>>15120271
>There's no soul inside these bodies!!!1
>Look, if you zoom in it's only pixels! We can even determine their function with math! There is no soul!!!! No player!

>>15106693
Tov and ra also mean good and evil. Unless you're using some talmudic explanation?

>>15106693
>doesn’t even fit the Jewish
Maybe we need non-mutilated sources?

>>15120222
I don't think Nick is larping. or he doesn't think that at least.

>>15120956
im talking about nyx u faggot, the only thing nick is larping as is being semi-acceptable