/lit/ - Literature

why don't you read him and evaluate it yourself? honestly asking

>>15108684
The Traditionalist School created one of the most robust projects of comparative religion there is. They have the advantage of fanaticism as well, with individual members often joining the tradition they write on (this sets them apart from new agers and academics). They emphasize depth rather than breadth, which has obvious value.

This is all tied together under a common vernacular Guenon created, as well as a shared nondual metaphysics. So individual specialists writing on traditions they themselves follow with a unifying system provided by Guenon. The assumption being that all traditions have a shared underlying reality.

It has value if that's something you're interested in.

>>15108684
pbuh , could use a pizza

>>15108684
None. I will not read him literally just because the guy recommending him is fat.

>>15108684
Two peoples have same energy and same awesome work made maken by them - Rene Guenon and Gucci Man(e)

>>15108684
A fundamental one.

>>15108757
This.

even Huston Smith was deeply influenced by the Traditionalists

>>15108727
i meant to say is there value to his work that isn't necessarily religiously/ideologically controversial

>>15108807
controversial by what standards?

>>15108815
something that adheres to a certain extreme (e.g renouncing western philosophy)

>>15108807
What is controversial about the idea that separate groups of men created different systems that are fundamentally based upon a shared, inherent truth that all men fundamentally acknowledge?

>>15108862
but that isn't all there is to it no?

>>15108870
Virtually that's it, but effectively you would need to understand how the underlying reality relates to the multiplicity in all its modes and how that relates to you the individual man.

It's as complex as you want to go, because it's the manifest world itself and what the underlying reality is. It's one thing to conceptually understand the basics of how an engine works, its wholly other to be able to understand the physical laws that make it so, the engineering involved, etc.

he is a nonentity

>>15108684
Depends whether you adhere to the unproven, uncriticised dogma of the primordial tradition.
I don't and the only book I found interesting was Fundamental Symbols of the Sacred Science because I could use it for my own writings.

the value of peace, which is upon him (pbuh)

>>15108757
>The assumption being that all traditions have a shared underlying reality.
Is this gnosticism then?

>>15109478
Not really, they're counter gnosticism because its dualistic, they're non-dualist (but not monist).

>>15109131
You should be criticizing it yourself as you read it. Besides, Guenon isnt really trying to justify his position, he's outlining his teachings to people who share his presuppositions.

>>15108684
They made me turn from someone with a superficial interest in religion/mysticism into someone with a passionate interest in that subject who enjoys reading many of the primary texts from each religion and their philosophers etc, and doing so has been more enjoyable and profound than my entire past history of reading literature and non-fiction.

>>15109519
Gnostics are non-dualists?

>>15109602
Traditionalists think gnostics are wrong because trads are nondualist and gnostics are dualist.

Gnostics teach there is an ontological divide between spirit and matter while trads teach spirit and matter are polar opposites of an underlying beingness, however spirit is not reducible to matter and matter is not reducible to spirit.

>>15109636
Based helpful poster

>If a man walk in the woods for love of them half of each day, he is in danger of being regarded as a loafer; but if he spends his whole day as a speculator, shearing off those woods and making earth bald before her time, he is esteemed an industrious and enterprising citizen.

>America is said to be the arena on which the battle of freedom is to be fought; but surely it cannot be freedom in a merely political sense that is meant. Even if we grant that the American has freed himself from a political tyrant, he is still the slave of an economical and moral tyrant. Now that the republic — the res-publica — has been settled, it is time to look after the res-privata, — the private state, — to see, as the Roman senate charged its consuls, "ne quidres-PRIVATA detrimenti caperet," that the private state receive no detriment.

>If I should sell both my forenoons and afternoons to society, as most appear to do, I am sure that for me there would be nothing left worth living for. I trust that I shall never thus sell my birthright for a mess of pottage. I wish to suggest that a man may be very industrious, and yet not spend his time well. There is no more fatal blunderer than he who consumes the greater part of his life getting his living.

>>15109700
A transcendentalist anarchist posted in a Guenon thread, what is this blasphemy.

>The following duties bind the wealthy owner and the employer: not to look upon their work people as their bondsmen, but to respect in every man his dignity as a person ennobled by Christian character. They are reminded that, according to natural reason and Christian philosophy, working for gain is creditable, not shameful, to a man, since it enables him to earn an honorable livelihood; but to misuse men as though they were things in the pursuit of gain, or to value them solely for their physical powers - that is truly shameful and inhuman. Again justice demands that, in dealing with the working man, religion and the good of his soul must be kept in mind. Hence, the employer is bound to see that the worker has time for his religious duties; that he be not exposed to corrupting influences and dangerous occasions; and that he be not led away to neglect his home and family, or to squander his earnings. Furthermore, the employer must never tax his work people beyond their strength, or employ them in work unsuited to their sex and age. His great and principal duty is to give every one what is just. Doubtless, before deciding whether wages axe fair, many things have to be considered; but wealthy owners and all masters of labor should be mindful of this - that to exercise pressure upon the indigent and the destitute for the sake of gain, and to gather one's profit out of the need of another, is condemned by all laws, human and divine. To defraud any one of wages that are his due is a great crime which cries to the avenging anger of Heaven. "Behold, the hire of the laborers... which by fraud has been kept back by you, crieth; and the cry of them hath entered into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth."
- Rerum Novarum

>>15109772
A post-14th century Catholic pope posted in a Guenon thread, what is this blasphemy.

>>15109772
My favorite is that the scholastics favored the free market.

>>15109772
>>15109700
This is pretty good, it's a shame that more people didn't listen to him and take his advice.

>>15109098
Cope, among his disciples are the ideologues and philosophers who form the guiding intelligentsia of Iran, Russia, India, Turkey and Hungary among other countries. Almost every major 20th century philosopher was influenced by him including all the leftist quirky ones like Deleuze, Lacan and Bataille who all took a bunch of ideas from him. The ruling monarchies of most MENA countries are familiar with him and a Guenonian (Bannon) was responsible for a political revolution in the United States in 2016. As we speak, Guenonians and people philosophically adjacent to them are working right now to lay the foundations for a post-globalism world. While you pathetic bugmen whine about citations and if classes are taught on someone at University of Pyramid Scheme and Jewish Indoctrination the adherents of Guenon are the real movers and shakers of this world, you're just an NPC in their game.

>>15110263
cringe...

>>15108684
none

>>15110263
>guenonfag reveals his 2016 election phase (also the date he discovered 4chan).

>>15108684
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP POSTING THIS FUCKING RETARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>15110263
how do u flirt with wimen

>>15110263
based

>>15111063
read his work then

>>15108684

>>15111805
gay....

>>15108862
It implies that not just one religion is correct, but many of them are correct and that original wisdom literally came from some supernatural source. That’s about as much of a modern heretic to the prevailing ideas of science and progress as you can get.

>>15111805
q?

>>15111805
>this is what guenonians are up to
no wonder they're unhinged, they're closeted homos....

>>15111355
I don't have to, when they see that I'm white, very tall and broud-shouldered they approach me constantly without me even having to make any effort, I can get their numbers without even trying, see >>15111805

>>15108684
His work is like an antidote to all the propaganda and indoctrination that you've been fed about "progress" "equality" "democracy" "science" etc your whole life, until you view these from outside the box you'll never understand how pernicious they are

>>15110263
Bannon, Dugin, and the hungarians are counter-traditional. They reject what does not coincide with their ideologies. They are dangerous, more so than the so called liberal elites which have created their own demise. It's matter of time until liberalism is destroyed and the fake spiritualists take their place, to prop up fake spirituality as true metaphysics and lead us into the final stage of dissolution.

But you are right that Guénon has had 'influence' (whatever modern perversion of this term means) over various 'philosophers' even though they do not accredit him (and rightfully so)

> the adherents of Guenon are the real movers and shakers of this world
Wrong. Like I said, they are fake adherents and subject to the demonic influences relevant to our times. They are doing nothing but distorting the essence of traditionalism for their own gain.

>>15111063
You're right, this spamming has taken horrendous proportions. If you are interested in Guénon, just read him and leave this board.

i would like this board if it had not even half as much guenon and accelerationist spam