/lit/ - Literature

>>15103809
redpill me on the whitepill

>>15103818
Everything turns out better than expected

>>15103809
Absolutely correct

>>15103809
metacope

>>15103818
Optimism is practical because it gives you energy needed to push yourself to overcome obstacles. This doesn't mean being deluded, it means accepting the difficulty of something and knowing you are capable of overcoming it.

The thought alone will be a self-fulfilling prophecy if you don't falter on the belief

>>15103836
what does that even mean?

>>15103845
Choose your level of passion

>>15103809
>optimistic
you will be on your knees bawling like fucking bitch when reality will hit you

>>15103860
Optimism doesnt mean being deluded from reality retard, it means accepting the difficulty of something instead of bitching about it

>>15103888
Based

>>15103809
Correct

>>15103888
isn't that like Nietzsche's heroic pessimism?

>>15103992
>Nietzsche's heroic pessimism

I never read Nietzsche, what is heroic pessimism?

>>15103809
Because reality doesn't ruthlessly debunk and break the blackpill every single day then scatter its little pill ashes over your head

>>15104009
Matter of perspective sadboi

why would i want to be happy?

>>15104009
If you see both the blackpill and whitepill from a perspective of pure reason, whitepill has practical value and the blackpill doesn't.

>>15104019
why not?

>>15103836
>metacope
cope

>>15104055
Based

a whitepilled chart will just end up being bad self-help/stoicism

>>15104083
What is good self help?

>>15103809
why pick the whitepill over the blackpill

>>15104204
Why pick sorrow over joy?

>>15103809
actually, why even limit yourself by establishing the black/whitepill binary, why not go the way of the nomad and travel between pills, walk the intermezzo

>>15104212
this

>>15104212
Why pick either when you can have both?

>>15104230
what is good about sorrow?

>>15104212
Any fool knows that happiness is contigent on sadness, it's a prerequistite to ""joy"", or at least a contentment. I'm fully convinced this annoying saccharine desire for happiness and love and joy is an americanism that has infected our collective consciousness like a novel coronavirus. What's the need for these bullshit words all trying to point at something reduced to nothing more than a side effect of advertising?

Why do you need to be happy? Or experience joy? Why not hope for the complexity of struggle and contentment instead of playing around with words you learned to describe moods when you were in preschool?

>>15104230
Fair point but I think you still have to set an ideal in which you ultimately choose one over the other
>>15104262
It's an emotion, and as such it can serve as potent fuel

>>15104263
>experience joy
Well there's the joy of 'I just found a fiver on the ground'. And then there's the much grander "joy" of 'holy shit I'm alive, existence is completely fucking bonkers and I get to witness it, from the grandest scheme to the minutest detail I get to cry or laugh or ignore all and none of it' if that makes sense

>>15104270
See >>15104263
You're not choosing anything per se, the road you're walking cares very little about it's destination

>>15104289
The novelty of basking in the wonder of being alive starts to wear thin when you have bills to pay anon

>>15104300
Sure does wagie

>>15104306
Then go be "joyful"

>>15104324
I am :)

>>15104341
Happy for you bro :)

>>15103809

>>15104353
I hope you can be as happy as me, unironically

Take the nopill

>>15104365
We might be feeling the same as each other right now, our only disagreement is how we talk about it

>>15104355
This is beyond retarded and over-simplistic

pic related

>>15104355
The worst cope ever. Nobody actually believes that this is possible.

>>15104355
am i really on facebook?

>>15104355
Getting high off of your own asceticism

>>15104263
>Any fool knows that happiness is contigent on sadness

This is true, but I still think it is better to be susceptible to both these emotions than "hope for the complexity of struggle and contentment"

Nothing against your logic, just a matter of disagreement

>>15104384
as a newfag, what does nopill mean?

>>15104408
Joy and sorrow are diffuse in complexity and struggle, I'm not saying you can't experience them or rightfully point something out as being one or the other, just that they resist capture and are not worth seeking, better to stumble upon

>>15104399
Based

>>15104380
So it seems. I find that people often agree much more on essence than semantics

>>15104083
a whitepill like OP says would be reading Baudrillard and other blackpilled authors and then concluding that it doesn't really matter to you, and that their philosophy might as well be their own cope

>>15104384
whats the reason for including the case fair oster intro to macroeconomics instead of mankiw's?

>>15105156
I think OP is just skeptical of skepticism, which in turn makes him see the worth in being whitepilled

>>15105277
Yes

>>15103809
You reached enlightenment

>>15103809
(:

>>15103809
based and positivitypilled

how do i whitepill myself?

>>15103809
The best cope is optimism of the will and pessimism of the intellect (Gramsci).

>>15106264
1) realize that justice doesnt exist and life is hard

2) you need to accept this fact and that to be whitepilled you need to build confidence

3) confidence is built by overcoming obstacles

4) you need to put experimentation as your number 1 belief

5) be skeptical of skepticism

>>15106282
Based, thats the golden formula

>>15103809
The only thing pessimists hate more than life is people. So they stick around to try and make everyone around them feel just as miserable

>>15106332
true my ngga

>>15103836
You made this the funniest thread in a while.

>>15106332
I don't think you know what pessimism is. It's what keeps me so cheerful. Those life-haters are the biggest optimists of all. Like all optimists they demand too much of life, which is why they're always so disappointed. They can't accept life for what it is.

>>15106558
But true optimism accepts life for what it is, its grounded in reality not delusion

>why not be happy bro lol
are you 5 years old?

>>15105277
yeah thats kind of what i tried to say

>>15106651
Try presenting an argument in a full sentence if you're even capable of that

>>15106332
you never procreated so technically you are an antinatalist(a branch of philosophical pessimism).

>>15106849
there is no argument to begin with

Can someone fill me in on blackpill whitepill bluepill redpill, thx

>>15103809
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_David_Coughlin
the only path to true whitepill is through the blackpill
you're lost in the desert and you realize you are fucked.
you look around, can't get your bearings
water is depressingly low in your shitty REI nalgene you bought for this specific trip and forgot to fill up before the hike
no phone service
you are dressed poorly for this environment (but great for the instagram pics you were gonna pose for once you got to your destination)
You sob and sob, the despair is all consuming.
Eventually you stop sobbing and the sun sets and the stars come out and you just feel empty
you're laying on the ground looking up at the stars, contemplating your own death, feeling nothing but pessimism
the hours continue to tick by
you're thirsty and your whole body hurts, your skin is scorched
but, you don't feel like sobbing anymore.
your death will come soon, it's nearly certain
the only possible way you will avoid death is to find the trail and hope there's someone on it with water and a phone
you don't remember what direction the trail is so you pick one that feels relatively good and you start walking

>>15104007
that

>>15106928
You clearly didnt read the rest of the thread brainlet

>>15104424
you're aware of redpill, blackpill and all that other shit right? i assume the no-pill is just a collection of works that improve critical thinking so you can formulate your own opinions rather than succumbing to some 'pill' ideology

>>15107122
I guess

>>15103809
Cope

>>15103818
>whitepill
Whitepill is just a neutral reserve for the state of the world. It's simple acknowledging "it is what it is" and moving on.

>>15107079
Everything is temporary. Everything is locked in perpetual discord of hatred that in the end, doesn't even matter. You live 100 years if you are lucky, a drop in the bucket. Social analysis has shown even our deepest values to be nothing but products of our time. The people who you love and who love you love for specific self-benefiting reasons. At the core, one cannot escape this.

No one can overcome this simple reality of life. I don't care what sort of philosophical system you create to cope with it. You are thrown into a world and doomed to die. All the coping strategies for such a thing are absurd. The amount of time you spend happy in life will be at the very least, less than the time you are spent feeling decent, if not much worse.

Every new pleasure you experience is another pleasure you will be spent wanting when you do not have it. Therefor, it is better to experience as little as possible and to give up even life itself. This is the harsh truth to which all noble men have arrived. There is nothing worth fighting for in the world. Nothing worth attaching oneself to.

>>15107371
Based nigga

>>15107371
This is just a cope so you don't have to try hard in life lmao. Your view only leads to either nihilism or hedonism, do you see why its better to be whitepilled? Plus, the worth of fighting for something comes from the individual, and that itself is reason to be whitepilled

But I do agree that people only love you for self benefiting reasons, and yet, I accept the status-quo and have no problem with it

>>15107371
>The amount of time you spend happy in life is less than the time you spend decent if not worse

Speak for yourself my guy

>>15107371
I'd take you more seriously if you killed yourself

>>15107703
Based

>>15107371
Why don't you practice what you preach, fag?

>>15107703
>>15107703
Go on, take your life!

Sunny days wouldn't be special if it wasn't for rain

^^Ahahaha normies went mad
>>15107371

>>15107371
Yes reality is grim. So what do you do? Wither and die? I'd much rather fight for things I care about

>>15103809
>implying you can choose how you pleasure system works

>>15107973
You missed the point

>>15106919
How does that follow?