/lit/ - Literature

>>15086631
The bible

>>15086631
with the greeks

>>15086632
I ain't fucking reading philosophy in cronological order

>>15086635
>muh cronological order

Imagine falling for the faggotry of this board that thinks you wont udnerstand a philosopher If you dont go by order

>>15086654
you will miss plenty of things

>>15086669
like what?

>>15086685
try reading first

I just read for pleasure, is Also sprach Zarathustra a good start for that? I have a Reclam edition lying around and skipped into it, the book almost felt like a novel or a bit like a mythical text which I found very enjoyable.

I did this:
>Birth of Tragedy
>Beyond Good and Evil
>Genealogy of Morals
>Ecce Homo
>Thus Spoke Zarathustra
>The Greek State
>The Joyous Knowledge
>Twilight of the Idols
>Will to Power

Honestly you should start with either Genealogy of Morality or Twilight of the idols, they're his most systematic and approachable works

>>15086771
and fun too

>>15086685
Well, he was a philologist in the classics. It would help to have context to understand some of his writings, Apollonian v. Dionysian for example.

>>15086631
The Birth of Tragedy if you want to understand him and better yourself.
Genealogy of Morals if you want to shitpost on /lit/ like a pseud.

>>15086642
YES (you) are! If you do not you will only be the lame edgy boi pubescent and wont understand anything he Nietzsche says, only proclaiming, and further will you likely -knowing nothing- be indoctrinated into a silly quack of a worldview.

>>15087418
Would it be bad to read a 600 page summary of the history of philosophy and then proceed to Nietzsche?

>>15086631
I feel like you can read Nietzsche in any order you’d like so long as you read the Birth of Tragedy and Genealogy of Morals first. These two books focus primarily on his conception of societal and moral values (Nietzsche was the first to use this word in reference to culture and society) and his view of western history - both of which are things underpinning the bulk of his work.

>>15086631
cut the shit and just read thus spoke zarathustra

>>15086654
Imagine not knowing wtf Nietzche is talking about when he discusses the Greeks extensively.

>>15087483
Read SEP if you want summaries: https://plato.stanford.edu

Human All Too Human is a good place to start if you want to go right into his philosophy. Surprised no one has mentioned that one.

>>15087513
This, both provide important context to his thought. The Genealogy is especially important for when he later discusses nihilism and purports the idea of the Ubermensch in evolutionary terms.

>>15087616
Didnt know this existed, thank you anon :)

>>15086642
So we'll have another retard on this board coming back here to tell us that philosophy is a cope and everyone is pseudo.

>>15086654
You’re an idiot

>>15086754
I’d recommend saving Zarthustra for later, the novel is very allegorical, so I would recommend at least reading one other work. (Twilight of the Idols was written to give an overview of Nietzsche’s thought, Genealogy of Morals is Nietzsche writing in a clearer, more traditional format, and Beyond Good and Evil was “intended to say the same thing as Zarathustra, but in a very different way.” )

>>15086631
1. Start with "Beyond Good and Evil" + "On the Genealogy of Morality"
2. Then "Twilight of the Idols" and "The Antichrist"
3. Then proceed with "Thus Spoke Zarathustra"

The rest is optional.

Skip, don't touch:
1. "The Birth of Tragedy", it's unreadable metaphysical shit, that Nietzsche later kept apologizing for.
2. "Untimely Meditations", it's just boring shit.
3. "Ecce Homo". It was supposed to be a self-satire with (very) subtle references to Petronius' "Satyricon", etc., - but unless you're a classical philologist you won't get it, and even if you do, it's still not funny, like, at all.
4. Everything that contains the word "Wagner" in it. Unless you're an expert on classical music, or whatever.

>>15088238
>Everything that contains the word "Wagner" in it
In it's title, I mean

>>15086631
Read Nietzsche chronologically but make sure you’ve read every other book ever written first so your understanding is contextualized.

>>15087396
You do realize that Birth of Tragedy was written in his twenties and that he evolved his views considerably in the later works?

>>15088238
Can you expand on The Birth of Tragedy thing? Im currently on step 1 so idk

>>15088381
All that apriori Apollonian/Dionysian aesthetical thing. That you're either super rational or super beastly. It never reappears in Nietzsche's later works.

>>15088444
It’s a notable precursor to his views on morality and idealistic shifts in western civilization. You’ve also misconstrued it a bit, you’re not one or the other - the interaction between the two forces exists in everyone.

>>15086759
Unbelievably based order

>>15086642
I was you five years ago wanting to understand philosophy because True Detective was a cool show. I dove straight in and read Nietzsche, then I went backwards from Germans to [skipping entire middle ages] to Romans then Greeks then Indians and then finally Chinks. Let me tell you, I should have done it chronologically. You constantly run into shit that makes you realize stuff from the later guys was a reference, or a bad argument or just wrong. Entire sections of Nietzsche are either meaningless or extremely misleading without context of what he's referencing.

>>15088696
brainlet

>>15088696
Reading Nietzsche first, makes reading Greeks unbearable.
It's fucking pain to read all that Plato's ranting on defining courage/friendship/whatever through Good and Evil, when you have been already exposed to the fact that those terms are entirely meaningless.

>>15089061
Plato was aware of how difficult to define Good and Evil are. If you start with the classical order, the first dialogue is Euthyphro, which is exactly about that. Very few people are willing to go from that, to "Good and Evil don't exist", even post-Nietzsche.

>>15089061
reading most philosophy after reading philosophical investigations becomes unbearable

>>15088444
Do not listen to this idiot.
Birth fo Tragedy is very important is seeing Nietzsche's discussion of the importance of myth, as well as his criticism of rationalism/empiricism/scientism as you can see when he attacks Socrates.
His pages on discussing the Aryan-Semite dichotomy as masculine-feminine is also important in understanding his later criticisms of Christianity.