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>>15086096
>materialism materially disproven
???

>>15086118
Yeah this

>>15086096
>Now that it's proven that there is no such thing as objective material reality, where do we go from here? Science/empiricism will have to ground itself on a different set of postulates in order to advance from this point on. What should those postulates be?

>>15086096
>There are many more papers that can be linked to but these are sufficient

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>>15086125
Assumption of materialism leads to results that are not valid or witnessed by experiment. A similar problem to make it easy to understand is the assumption that the sqrt(2) is rational leads to contradiction. Thus we throw out the possibility that root2 is rational, and we throw out the ontology of materialism.

science is baseless. it won't change anything though . science is just doing the same thing more than once realising the effect is the same most of the time and writing it down

>>15086141
The experiment confirms materialism.

>>15086156
All the papers linked confirm existence of non-material effects

>>15086096
We've been through this, moron. These results only bolster MWI and nonlocal realist theories.

>>15086172
No, decoherence is disproven in the first paper, which eliminates MWI

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>>15086096
reminder that the CIA sponsors this type of study, no matter true or false, simply to spread intellectual chaos and sow confusion, from which they will be able to control us with ease. (I repeat, it has nothing to do with the validity of these types of studies - and everything to do with political recuperation)

Read Wolfgang Smith if you're interested in quantum reality, the metaphysical postulates of empiricism and newtonian physics etc... he's a physicist and traditionalist.

OP unintentionally confirmed materialism, Oops!

>>15086096
>Quantum theory proves my bullshit
Fuck off stoner

>>15086096
So what you are saying that material reality is not obejctive, but objective reality is still real, its just no to be found in the physical world?

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>>15086096
>Science/empiricism will have to ground itself on a different set of postulates in order to advance from this point on
He says, basing his argument on scientific/empiricist studies

>>15086196
>Look mom I posted a troll picture on the internet!
Go die in whatever hole you crawled out of pondscum

>>15086096
You already got your ass destroyed yesterday. Already back for more?

>Sean Carroll:
"This headline is very wrong; quantum mechanics is perfectly compatible with objective reality. Reality is modeled by a wave function, but we should have understood that for years now. No observer gets to see all of reality, but that’s a very different idea.... One observer has branched, so one version of them sees one result, the other sees the other. The other observer hasn’t branched, so they think the first observer is in a superposition. That’s all."

https://twitter.com/seanmcarroll/status/1105548702272258049

>>15086197
Wrong. This has been widely recognized as true for over a CENTURY (in the West, since this was widely known and understood by the early vedic period in India). Newtonian physics were dismantled in the early 1900s, it's just that for plebs like you it would take a few centuries to be 'understood' (ingrained).

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>>15086186
No, these studies show that pure ontological materialism can not hold.
>>15086189
You have no idea what you're talking about.
>>15086193
Yes, these experiments strongly indicate that pure ontological materialism (ALL that exists is material) can not be rectified with the results of experiment - there must exist non-material non-spatiotemporal causes for these effects.
It is NOT SAYING material things aren't real, it's saying that ONLY material things being real is a false ontology.
>>15086197
No
>>15086211
This does not do anything to disprove any of the papers linked, moron. I never got my "ass destroyed" anywhere. Read the papers linked and the papers they link to.

>>15086224

Another chance of an interesting thread derailed by zoomers, low iqs, glowies and meme-spamming illiterate bugmen.

>>15086232
The typical basedboy is a materialist atheist 115iq "i fucking love science" midwit who never studied STEM in college. i.e. the people disagreeing with these studies and their findings.

>>15086241
OP posted this exact thread yesterday, and it played out the same way. This is all fucking retarded.

>>15086211
objective reality =|= material reality

>>15086271
You wish, schizo.

>>15086256
No arguments against any of the papers and their findings, rather people freaking out and denying the results, while then claiming to have "won an argument" that wasn't even an argument in the first place?
The papers disprove decoherence and non-local realism. This is undeniable.

>>15086280
I dont have to wish for reality. It just is.

>>15086283
Yeah man how could I forgot 4chan is the leading website for academic studies of pop science reporting.

>>15086283
Through materialism

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>>15086283
The experiment is just an implementation of Wigner's Friend, which is only a problem for objective collapse interpretations. I.e., not a problem for MWI, Bohmian, or other realist interpretations. Try again, brainlet.

>>15086304
Non of of these papers are pop science, they are all peer revied studies published in major journals
>>15086306
See >>15086224 and understand it before posting or you will continue to make yourself look stupid.
>>15086313
There are multiple experiments linked in the OP, moron. The first one disproves decoherence. The last one disproves non local realism.

>>15086224
>You have no idea what you're talking about.
But you clearly do?
Quantum physics have been the New Age/Occult/Bullshit magic sauce since the sixties
Just die already

>>15086185
Physics student here, best post itt.

>>15086319
>MIT technology review
>Not pop sci

Oh thanks for letting me know early you have no idea what you're talking about

>>15086336
There are 3 publications in the OP, moron. All of them also link to dozens of other publications.

Fuck off to /sci/ with this bullshit
I swear jannies need to be taken out back and shot for the state of this board

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Is this the final straw for Marx? His entire philosophy just went up in flames

>>15086319
>The first one disproves decoherence.
Ah, you are literally retarded, then. That paper does no such thing.

>>15086326
Yes, I do. My major is a double major in pure math and theoretical comp sci. and I've taken multiple classes in QM. I built a double slit experiment in the lab for one of my classes. It was very cool.
I also have linked to multiple studies corroborating my claims. No one here has been able to deny them (because they can't).

>>15086354
OP confirmed Marxism

>>15086354
QM and economics aren't related at all

>>15086096
You're on the literature board. Learn what the word "suggests" means.

>>15086361
>>15086371
Marxism is a materialist based philosophy and as OP said "Materialism is disproven"

>>15086378
ONTOLOGICAL materialism is disproven. This doesn't do anything to Marxism or other economic theory. I am not a marxist

>>15086359
lol fuck off LARP'er

>>15086396
I am not lying, stay mad.

>>15086385
Shut the fuck up. Materialism is materialism. End of the fucking story. I don't care how you tankies try to spin this to say "b-but thats not real communism!" every time you get disproven

>>15086096
>ITT people suffering from the Dunning–Kruger effect ague pointlessly about who's poor understanding of Quantum Mechanics is better than the rest
As a midwit, I take great pleasure in seeing people not that much smarter than me vastly overestimating their abilities.

>>15086404
We can now add political theory and economics beside physics and philosophy on the list of subjects you know nothing about

>>15086404
I already said I'm not a marxist, I am not talking about marxism or economic theory at all in this thread. This is about ontological materialism, stop bringing up marxism it has nothing to do with my thread.

>>15086407
only valid take itt

>>15086414
You are a very stupid person

>basedjak posting
It's amazing how easy pseuds put themselves out there.

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