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Any authors who discuss the idea of a non dualistic Christianity? What are your thoughts? Personally I think there is a surprising amount of scriptural support of the idea.

>> No.15071784

>>15071768
I believe I reached the conclusion of non-duality and I have been heavily inspired by the Bible (purposely I am distinguishing this from Christianity). You should share some of the scriptures that you believe support non-dualism!

>> No.15071795

>>15071768
You can make it say whatever you want if you choose. It's not like actual Christians pay any attention to what's written in the Bible.

>> No.15071927

>>15071795
Good thing I am not an actual Christian in the eyes of most Christians. But, as Jesus is said to note, the Bible is book by men and thus it is fair to say that some parts are more theologically honest than others.

>>15071784
I ask the question in part because I want to explore the subject more but a lot of what Jesus and his apostles say hearkens the idea of pantheism over the pluralism which allows for evil. If one accepts the idea on pantheism, that God is all, one is rather forced into a position of nondualism since God is Good. I even argue that Evil did not exist until the fall of man as it is told in Genesis. But I am not a smart or wise man, so I wonder if there are others who have had similar interpretations. I also admit that the scriptures are undoubtedly full of dualism. But to me, the story of Jesus only makes sense if Evil came into the world as some sort of theological consequence of Adam and Eve becoming aware of the Good (God) and themselves, and thus assuming themselves as separate from God and inventing Evil. Then Jesus comes along and brings them back so that they become one with God again through Him. But again, I am not a smart man. A laymen really.

>> No.15072005

>>15071768
There is a whole book on this topic called "Christianity and the Doctrine of Non-Dualism" which was published under a pseudonym by a Trappist monk where he argues that classic non-dualism such as Advaita Vedanta is in alignment with Christianity and Thomism. I sadly have not been able to find a free electronic version on any sites but you can buy it on amazon

>> No.15072007

>>15071927
Both Good and Evil are labels, not objective truths. The eastern philosophies emphasize taking both Good and Evil with equanimity. You can also see similar themes in the apocryphal Gospels.

I would also add, that the Laws of Heaven are not written anywhere. Any law that is written is of the Devil.

Tao Te Ching:
Those with great Virtue are not bound by virtues,
Thus can be with Virtue;
Those without Virtue fail to liberate themselves of virtues,
Thus remain without Virtue.

>> No.15072014

Read Paul, if you know anything about Aristotle it’s clear he makes Aristotelian arguments and Paul makes basically material causation nonduality arguments throughout his letters.

>> No.15072098

this is the path to spiritual delusion. you have said you are not wise nor smart and "not an actual christian in the eyes of most christians". why do you feel capable of discerning between two views that drastically differ one from another?

i dont want to be harsh but every single non-dualist comes from heterodox and heretic backgrounds with no practcing faith, they are all spiritually dead people who start off right away by refusing the strict obedience to orthodoxy. makes me really preoccupied and more certain about the satanic delusion of non-dualism.

you if you want to cling to a non-dualistic belief you'll have to deny
the personhood of God
God's love
the trinity
God's sacrifice through christ
genesis
the resurrection of the body (please note how jesus' resurrection or his resurrection of lazarus is a refutation of both gnosticism and non-dualism)
condemnation
the gospels as whole

so to opt for non-dualism sounds like a big egoic cope. to be god is exactly what the serpent suggested in the garden and continues doing so

>> No.15072120

>>15072098
>so to opt for non-dualism sounds like a big egoic cope.
The way that you react with anger when you see people talking about non-dualism and the way you slander them (they are all spiritually dead etc) to me seems like the real egoistic cope

>> No.15072148

>>15072120
>ooo why are you angry at blasphemers
crypto satanists need to repent first. you are denying the core point of christ's redemption. all of my points still stand. you only continue to prove you are spiritually dead

>>15072005
>shady book by a shady anonymous author who claims to be a "trappist monk" (!!!) and goes against a 2000 year tradition
yeah, it's another "what books should i read to attain spiritual enlightenment". truly a sign of dead spirituality

>> No.15072209

>>15072098
How do dualists explain why knowledge of good and evil is a sin? How is one supposed to pursue the good and avoid the evil without knowledge of them?

>> No.15072237

>>15072209
the fruit does not represent knowledge/discernment itself, it represents the usurpation of God's authority to judge what is good and evil. this is well established exegesis. open a bible with commentary and you will hopefully see this note

>> No.15072330

>>15072237
So how do humans know they're doing God's will? Myriad contradictory actions have been justified on the basis of following God. Judge not lest ye be judged? The mote and the beam? Historically, Christians have done a terrible job of heeding Christ. It does not seem to me that they're doing God's will, but instead using their imperfect ability to distinguish good from evil, with catastrophic results.

By contrast, the non-dualists look at the world and see nothing to be done, for the world is already a perfect unity.

>> No.15072397

tell me what is easier, more egoistical, and you'll see where lies the cope:

1. detachment as ego sacrifice and spiritual ascension with self-divinization as the end goal so that you can become part of the perfect being

2. active sacrifice with true acts of love as sign of living faith and hope for salvation so that you can contemplate the perfect being for the eternity

it is as simple as that. it's way easier to wish for self divinization than personal salvation. one can never be sure he will be saved (!). 1 is nihilistic and nihilism will always be the easiest path. takes little to deny truth and value, especially if you claim you are also god.

>>15072330
>So how do humans know they're doing God's will?
follow the prescriptions by christ and live in his body that is the church

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>>15071768
>Any authors who discuss the idea of a non dualistic Christianity?

Saint John the Evangelist, Gospel of John.
Saint Paul the Apostle, various epistles in the New Testament canon.
The Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, Ephesus, Chalcedon.
Hippolytus of Rome, Refutation of All Heresies, Against Noetus and Philosophumena.
Pope Dionysius The Great of Alexandria, letters against Sabellius.
Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus, Adversus Praxeam.

>> No.15072446

Most people here seem very confused. In Indian traditions, non-dualism means there is no duality between the individual self and God, they are united. So Indian dualism means the self and God are separate. In western religious writings, dualism refers to moral dualism, i.e. there is a fundamental conflict between good and evil. So non-dualism in that context would mean you don't accept that there is a fundamental conflict between good and evil. Moral dualism is quite poorly defined, sometimes it's used restrictively to mean good and evil are equal forces, or sometimes its used loosely to simply mean that good and evil exist.

"Dualism" is a homonym and you guys seem to be confusing its different meanings.

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>>15072415
>Refutation of All Heresies
is there a more based title for a work?

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>>15071784
>purposely I am distinguishing this from Christianity
>BROO TRUST ME THE GUYS WRITING THE BIBLE AND THE FIRST PEOPLE TO RECEIVE IT KNEW FAR LESS THAN AN ENLIGTHENED UNASCETIC INTERNET SOUL ON 4CHANNEL

>> No.15072493

>>15072148
>shady anonymous author
The identity of the author eventually was revealed, his name is Elie Lemoine and he most certaintly was a monk

https://www.sophiaperennis.com/books/christianity/christianity-and-the-doctrine-of-non-dualism/

"Elie Lemoine is the pseudonym of a Cistercian Trappist monk, a lay brother (OCSO). As a young man, he worked in a French commercial house, and was caught up in Indo-China in the events of World War II, returning to France thereafter. He became greatly influenced by Eastern religions, particularly through the writings of René Guénon. He later became a monk and entered the Trappist order at La Grande Trappe Abbey. His book, Christianity and the Doctrine of Non-Dualism, published under the anonymous name of 'A Monk of the West', is a result of a life-long reflection on the subject, and is greatly influenced by the writings of Guénon. 'Elie Lemoine' also worked as an editor of the distinguished traditionalist journal, Études Traditionnelles."

I trust a monk more than I trust an anonymous 4chan poster with temper problems who so carelessly writes slanderous posts

>> No.15072515

>>15072098
>comes from heterodox and heretic backgrounds with no practcing faith
This. Literally every single non-hindu non-dualist is like this. Even those who weren't degenerate later in life like guenon. They all come from extremely heretical and decadent backgrounds and the "best" of them drop most of the obviously degenerate stuff but still retain the core of their pseudo-intellectual satanic delusion.

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>>15071927
>to me, the story of Jesus only makes sense if Evil came into the world as some sort of theological consequence of Adam and Eve becoming aware of the Good (God) and themselves, and thus assuming themselves as separate from God and inventing Evil. Then Jesus comes along and brings them back so that they become one with God again through Him.

>> No.15072530

>>15072493
>I trust a monk more than I trust an anonymous 4chan poster
Ok, then consult literally any sainted orthodox monk who wrote about theology from the past 2000 years for a refutation of your silly beliefs.

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>>15072446
yes. dualism in a nondualistic discussion means creator-creature dichotomy each with a separate and personal self

>>15072493
>he most certaintly was a monk
>lay brother
YOU HAVE NOT EVEN READ HIS BOOK, anon, and you are already saying you trust him more. isn't there truth in what i said here >>15072098 ?
again you are just picking in what to believe. "i trust more this heterodox 'monk' i never read than orthodox anon"

embarassing desu

>> No.15072587

>>15072397
>takes little to deny truth and value, especially if you claim you are also god.
the irony is killing me, God help

>> No.15072617

>>15072397
Which church? Surely not the Catholic one, I can't countenance the Crusades and burning heretics/witches as actions of the body of Christ.

Unless Christ is accepting of all there is and can be, and His body is not His own, which is non-dual thinking.

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>>15072617
>I can't countenance the Crusades and burning heretics/witches as actions of the body of Christ.
>non-dual thinking.

>> No.15072639

>>15072617
get informed on the crusades and inquisition

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>>15072617
>Unless Christ is accepting of all there is and can be,
OMG THIS! THE PARTS WHERE CHRIST DESTROYS SODOM AND GOMORRAH WERE SO FRICKIN MEAN I COULD NOT GET PAST THEM... WHY DO PEOPLE NEED TO HURT HECKIN SAME-SEX LOVERS? THEY AREN'T DOING ANYTHING WRONG! THE STATE HAS NO BUSINESS INSIDE THE BEDROOM OF TWO CONSENTING ADULTS! WHATS WRONG IF THEY AREN'T FRICKIN HURTING ANYONE ELSE!? IT'S THEIR OWN CHOICE!!!!

>> No.15072694

>>15071795
This, except unironically

>> No.15072706

>"Christian" non-dualism
Yeah, I'm gonna cringe at this one.

>> No.15072721

>>15072415
Thanks. I'm glad to see a lot of works which are accepted by the Church. It was John which first sent me on this particular train of thought in the first place (well besides Genesis).

>>15072098
>spiritual delusion
>spiritually dead
If I can say anything about my inspiration, is that it is not spiritually dead but spiritually enlivened. The personhood of God, His Love, the trinity (especially the trinity), genesis, and the Gospels are all I think easily accounted for with or without dualism. Strict obedience to orthodoxy however is what I see as spiritually dead and it appears to me that Jesus made similar arguments.

>>15072522
Not fluent in Hegel, is this agreement or condemnation?

>> No.15072736

>>15072415
Also add in literally the entirety of the Old Testament prophets through whom the Holy Spirit spoke. It's no coincidence that Jews started mass-dabbling in neoplatonism, transmigration of souls and other crypto-non-dualism only after Christ died at their hands, leading them to complete spiritual delusion and the inability to properly interpret scripture.

>> No.15072749

@15072721
>Strict obedience to orthodoxy however is what I see as spiritually dead

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

>> No.15072765

>>15072721
>orthodoxy
>literally "correct teaching" or "correct glorification"
>spiritually dead
lol

>> No.15072776

>>15072721
Agreement or alignment

>> No.15072778

guenonfag proves yet again how low he has become. he blasphemes against God and acts all offended when he's called out. when you bring up orthodox positions he'll just blindly say "i trust more this heterodox 'monk' i never read" because muh advaita
then he'll proceed to act as a victim of a mindless dual brute. when his feelings get hurt he'll go as far as call christianity "jewish fairy tales" but if you call him out on his bullshit he'll play the victim again

0 integrity

>"NOOO DONT SAY I'M SPIRITUALLY DEAD
but you are, anon. and the more you post the more you prove
>you were btfoed in every thread
no. you just appeal to your advaita doctrine because you want to believe in it. you pick your beliefs

>>15072721
you couldn't be more wrong

>> No.15072796

>>15071768
Check out this book OP, it talks about various Christian mystics and how they can be reconciled with non-dualism

https://www2.uned.es/dpto-hdi/History%20of%20Non-dual%20Meditation%20Methods.pdf

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>>15071927
>to me

>> No.15072840

>>15072639
Oh, please tell me how Christ was totally down for that.

>> No.15072859

>>15072493
>He became greatly influenced by Eastern religions
Surely this has nothing to do with his heretical views. Non-dualism was already there in Christiaity, you just needed a French guy in 2020 to study this obscure crypto-buddhist teaching which isn't even followed by most Hindus to realize that!

>> No.15072891

>>15072098
this. dualism is a feature of christianity, not a bug. replace it with non-dualism, and you have a fundamentally different religion/belief system.

>> No.15072896

>>15072840
you have common misconceptions about historical events. first get rid of them. i dont have a very good rec for the crusades but "God's Batallions" will help. for the inquisition i recommend "The Spanish Inquisition: A Historical Revision".

>> No.15072904

>>15072415
it takes a very tortured, cherry-picking reading indeed to place any of those you name in the non-dualism camp.

>> No.15072956

>>15072904
he meant that as texts which refute non-dualism, but non-dualism in the Vedantic sense was actually completely unknown to Christianity until the 1700's and so none of those texts actually talk about it

>> No.15072996

>>15072956
>was actually completely unknown to Christianity until the 1700's
A novel heresy I could make up right now would also be unknown to Christianity. That doesn't mean that it wasn't preemptively refuted by the ecumenical councils.

>> No.15073082

>>15072475
I mainly said that to distance myself from Protties lol, and also fake Catholic larpers which I assume you are.

>> No.15073121

Since this thread is shitshow of dogmatic claims lets at least be clear: nondualism in this sense would mean pantheism which is transcendent above good and evil. Many Christians are of the pantheistic variety. If one is pantheistic, one struggles with how God is both all good and still has evil as a part of him. If one is non-pantheistic, one struggles with how God is all powerful and yet allows evil to exist apart from him. It seems to me that there must be another option, one in which God transcends both Good and Evil.

>> No.15073146

>>15073082
>distance myself from Protties
You are nothing but just an even more arrogant form of protestant though, they at least believe that their innovation is actually traditional. Thinking that you have the right to blatantly and openly interpret scripture contrary to literally every notable saint and theologian in Christian history shows a deeply held spiritual delusion.

>>15073121
>nondualism in this sense would mean pantheism
Cringe and wrong.
>one struggles
Only if one is a cringe modernized bugman. There is absolutely no "struggle" between God allowing evil to """exist""" and him being good from all eternity.
>as a """part""" of him
>>>/b/. This is a serious board.

>> No.15073166

>>15071768
There is nothing in the bible which suggests dualism. God is the creator of everything (Genesis). Everything flows from him (Philippians 4:13). Everything is made in the image of him (Colossians 1:15 et all).
Satan cannot create himself. You can run from God but you can't run outside of God. The nature of God's being is well described in all physical and metaphysical structures, such as darkness is simply the absence of light. It has no physical or metaphysical structure itself. Same with coldness and heat along with your favorite interpretation of any philosophical idea, such as Existentialism.

>> No.15073192

>>15072475
Is there any bigger sign of a triggered Christfag?
Everytine threads on the topic of christianity pops up, including this one, there's multiple retards making posts like this that boil down to nothing more that "you can't question and scrutinize FACTS what the fuck idiot you really think you're smarter than a guy you are accusing of deceit? I don't think so."

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>>15073192
>Is there any bigger sign of a triggered Christfag?
>Everytine threads on the topic of christianity pops up, including this one, there's multiple retards making posts like this that boil down to nothing more that "you can't question and scrutinize FACTS what the fuck idiot you really think you're smarter than a guy you are accusing of deceit? I don't think so."
>NOOOOOO THESE GUYS LIED BECAUSE A MODERN BUG ANGLO SCHOLAR TOLD ME SO!!!!!!!!!

>> No.15073278

>>15073146
Bait. Bad bait.

>> No.15073287

>>15071768
Non-dualism is trash. You're plummeting to the House of Lies. You're destroying the only good thing of your religion passed on from Zoroastrianism.

>> No.15073289

Why do bugmen hate the Old Testament so much? Why does the fact that Christ saw it fit to punish homosexuals make them seethe?

>> No.15073330

>>15073166
I appreciate the post. This is exactly the point I am driving at with this thread (except there seems to be a lot of Dualism in the OT, especially in parts retconned from the polytheistic days but that's beside the point). I see it as the only option left when confronted with the problem of evil.

>> No.15073346

This is one of the few verses of the Bible I consider enlightened:

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter."

All nondualists and monists deserve the rope.

>> No.15073371

>>15073330
See I go a bit farther and regard evil as an existential variable that we use to help us understand reality, again akin dark, actual space, coldness et all. I don't think evil exists per se but it's an approximation of the further reaches from God's light.

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>>15071768
Clement of Alexandria
Pseudo-Dionysus Areopagite
Marguerite Porete
Meister Eckhart

>> No.15073382

>>15073371
In other words my personal spiritual goal is to find God not demean 'evil'. I don't become an extremist and I always feel myself in God's light and working towards his truth.

>> No.15073438

>Pseudo-Dionysus
>"""Pseudo"""
OH NO NO NO NO

>> No.15073449

>>15073438
Shut it orthofag. Trins will be shot along w any idolaters

>> No.15073494

>>15073375
This, also Nicholas of Cusa and Eirugena

>> No.15073556

>>15073166
>There is nothing in the bible which suggests dualism.
ok let's hear anon's ideas
>God is the creator of everything (Genesis).
yes, that's dualism. world record for self retroactive refutation

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>>15073330
>retconned from the polytheistic days
>>15073449
>Shut it orthofag. Trins will be shot along w any idolaters

>> No.15073650

>>15073588
What are you, a creationist or something? Never heard of the Deuteronomists?

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>>15073650
>What are you, a creationist or something? Never heard of the Deuteronomists?

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>>15073650
>What are you, a creationist or something?

Why yes, I do recognize both a literal and a spiritual meaning to all of the books written by Moses, how could you tell?

>> No.15073691

Nuking thread. No further discussion possible.

>> No.15073692

>>15072896
Both those sources seem to boil down to 'it wasn't that bad'. And I don't think they were unusually bad either: it's that it was a total deviation from Christ's teachings that is the problem. It's one thing for government to do those things (who cares for governments? They're a wholly satanic, that is, worldly formation), but the supposed body of Christ acting like that, that is the problem.

>> No.15073716

>>15073121
What humans call evil is merely God humbling their will or tempering their faith. The soul is immortal, indestructible: it's nonsense to take events on this universe to be important, beyond the reaction of one's soul to them.

>> No.15073726

>>15073692
>government
>They're a wholly satanic, that is, worldly formation
Marcionite cringe.

>> No.15073750

>>15073346
Darkness is attempting to banish the evil, for it means one has the hubris to usurp God's judgement, taking it upon oneself to discern good from evil, the original sin.

Ecclesiastes is pretty much non-dual, because it deems all acts in the world to be mere vanity, and it's also some of the most concentrated wisdom in the Bible.

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>>15073692
>Both those sources seem to boil down to 'it wasn't that bad'. And I don't think they were unusually bad either: it's that it was a total deviation from Christ's teachings that is the problem. It's one thing for government to do those things (who cares for governments? They're a wholly satanic, that is, worldly formation), but the supposed body of Christ acting like that, that is the problem.

>> No.15073765

>>15073726
Yes, Jesus totally wanted you to forcefully resist evil.

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>>15073750
>Ecclesiastes is pretty much non-dual

>> No.15073776

>>15073767
redditors much prefer buddhism over non-dualism like Vedanta

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>>15073765
>NOOOOOO WHY CANT MY MODERN ATHEIST BUGMAN REASONING LET ME UNDERSTAND HOW JESUS COULD KILL THOSE POOR EGYPTIAN FIRSTBORN AND THOSE POOR CANAANITES LIKE HOW COULD HE DO THAT? THOSE MUST BE FAKE BOOKS EVEN THOUGH JESUS CHRIST QUOTES THEM ALL OVER THE GOSPELS NOOOOOO!!!

>>15073776
>NOOO ADVAITA ISNT THE SAME AS BUDDHISM THEY ARE CLEARLY SUBSTANTIALLY DIFFERENT TEACHINGS!!

>> No.15073821

>>15072014
Can you expand on this, I'm quite interested in Paul's hellenic influences but I've never thought of him as a non dualist. Any recommended texts to learn more beyond the Pauline letters?

>> No.15073837

Litteraly all church fathers and theologians?

>> No.15073842

>>15073765
Totally this... Like, so much this omg...
I think widespread same sex love should be allowed if it's not causing any harm to the person. Like why would forcefully resist that?

>> No.15073866

>>15073121
I feel that a lot of the difficulties here lie in a misunderstanding of non dualism as a form of pantheism (as you mentioned) which mischaracterizes the central principle as a plane of immanence. There is still room for a transcendent Godhead outside of said plane of immanence.

>> No.15073943

How does theosis fit in with dualist Christianity?

>> No.15073983

>>15073842
Sex in general is meaningless hedonism. Doesn't mean the parable of the mote and the beam is magically superseded.

You want to know what a perfect Christian is like? Alyosha from TBK. Notice he doesn't judge even his disgusting father, or indeed, anyone.

>> No.15073992

>>15073798
Jesus never ordered to kill anyone. Even merely being judgemental was frowned upon, even if it was only in one's heart.

>> No.15074008

>>15071768
>Dualism
The concept of dualism assumes that there are two separate entities—good and evil—which are equally powerful. In “Christian” dualism, God represents the good entity and Satan represents the evil entity.

However, the truth is that even though Satan has some power, he is no equal to God Almighty, for he was created by God as an angel before he rebelled (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezekiel 28:13-17). As the Scripture says, “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world” (1 John 4:4). According to Scripture, there is no dualism, no two opposing forces of equal power called good and evil. Good, represented by God Almighty, is the most powerful force in the universe without exception. Evil, represented by Satan, is a lesser force that is no match for good. Evil will be defeated every time in any head-to-head match with good, for God Almighty, the essence of good, is all-powerful, whereas evil, represented by Satan, is not.

Whenever any doctrine portrays good and evil as two equal opposing forces, that doctrine contradicts the scriptural position that good, represented by God Almighty, is the dominant power in the universe. Since Satan was not, and never will be, equal to God, any doctrine that says he is can be marked as a false doctrine. The fact that Satan was thrown out of heaven for trying to rise above God does not mean Satan has given up trying to be equal or superior to God, as evidenced by the basic tenets of “dualism” that have come down largely through the philosophical stem of human wisdom.

There can be no dualism existing in any corner of our universe. There is only one power that is overriding, and that power is God Almighty as revealed to us in the Bible. According to the scriptural evidence, there is only one power that is omnipotent, not two. Thus, any doctrine of dualism which contends that there are two equal powers opposing each other (good and evil) is a false doctrine.

>> No.15074098

I always thought dualism in the context of Abrahamic religions is that the creation and God are distinctly separate things.

>> No.15075126

>>15073272
t. 12year retarded christcucks

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>>15073798
>MOM IM POSTING IT AGAIN IM A GOOD GOY CHRISTKEK

>> No.15075493

>>15071768
You can support almost anything with all the books collectively called "The Bible". Thats why its so flexible. Just find a couple verses for whatever you need.

>> No.15075723

>>15075493
But for it to be religion it needs an experiential component and thus a degree of of the same truth which originally inspired it (even if it be something as material as psychological or cultural truth).

>> No.15075801

No need to worry about dualism and non dualism, it's a false dichotomy steeped in confusion.

Read scripture, ask who Christ is and how you relate to your creator. Much more fruitful inquiry.

>> No.15075861

>>15071768
Low iq brainlet here I thought dualism = deism and christianity is already non-dualist? What do you mean by that?

>> No.15075970

I personally am a Buddhist Christian.

>> No.15076417

>>15074008
>only real answer in the thread is ignored
Kek

>> No.15076480

>>15075801
That's what we're doing moron

>> No.15077042

>>15074098
God is distinct from His creation. God is above and beyond all the finite things He has made, and while God may choose to interact with and even fellowship with His creation, the things God brought into existence do not share in His divine essence or Being.

God exists wholly apart from His creation. He does not need the universe, and the universe is not part of His being or nature. God created all things outside Himself rather than merely emanating them out from His own essence. God is not the universe, and the universe is not part of God.

The Bible everywhere distinguishes God from His creation and nowhere implies any union or blurring of the two. The view that God and the universe are in any sense the same being is an idolatry from which God calls men to repent. This is not a small difference between Christianity and Hinduism or other pantheistic faiths. It is an absolutely foundational matter. It is a Gospel issue.

>> No.15078468

>>15074008
Dualism isn’t about the forces themselves, which as you said, are not equally matched. It’s about what happens inside the hearts of men, and what their choice is. It’s always been this way

>> No.15078477

>>15071768
>non dualistic Christianity
Is not Christianity
I know you shits don't have a brain, but come on, if you want to LARP some bullshit at least read the fucking lore

>> No.15078503

>>15073821

Ephesians 4:6

1 Corinthians 8:6 And just his manner of conception in general. Example here’s a video examining Paul’s Aristotelian argument in Acts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wztEiK7rg0k

^ He’s a big brained professor check him out.

>> No.15078722

>>15072098
>the resurrection of the body (please note how jesus' resurrection or his resurrection of lazarus is a refutation of both gnosticism and non-dualism)

This whole reply is lame but I am curious about this one in particular.

>> No.15078784

>>15073346

Non-Dualism does not claim two things are interchangeable, quite the contrary.

>> No.15079643

>>15077042
Everything you wrote in your post is unironically completely in accordance with Advaita non-dualism, which is not monism or pantheism.

>God is distinct from His creation.
Nirguna Brahman is never manifested and so He is distinct from the manifested world, which is only an appearence of Brahman but not Brahman Himself
>God is above and beyond all the finite things He has made
Also true in Advaita
>the things God brought into existence do not share in His divine essence or Being.
Also true in Advaita, Brahman only projects the conditionally real world with bodies etc but the Self of every being is not made by Brahman but is Brahman Himself. The unreal individual beings and their bodies don't share any of Brahman's divine essence or being whatsoever. The Self inside them is Brahman itself and is hence uncreated and it does not share anything or any of it's essence/being with the created bodies that It is mistakenly identified with because of ignorance. In Advaita the human person shares none of Brahman's/God's being or essence because the Self inside them which is God is not human and It shares nothing with the human body and its ego, mind, individuality etc. Space doesn't share anything like qualities or attributes with the objects that appear in it like trees or rocks.
>God exists wholly apart from His creation.
Also true in Advaita, the conditionally real world doesn't actually have any real connection to Brahman, just as a mirage has no real connection to the desert it appears in other than that the desert provides the basis for it to appear in, but the desert is completely untouched by and without a material connection to that mirage, it only existing in the mind of the beholder
>He does not need the universe, and the universe is not part of His being or nature.
Also true in Advaita, Brahman does not need the universe and it's not a part of His spotless and undivided nature as Nirguna Brahman
>God created all things outside Himself rather than merely emanating them out from His own essence. God is not the universe, and the universe is not part of God
All true in Advaita, the unreal world is caused by Brahman's mysterious power of maya, but is not a direct emanation/transformation of Brahman, and it's not a part of Him or identical with Him since in His true nature as Nirguna Brahman He is partless and transcendental to the universe
>The Bible everywhere distinguishes God from His creation and nowhere implies any union or blurring of the two.
Also true in Advaita, the Upanishads instruct that Brahman in the cause of the universe but they then negate the world, leaving Brahman alone as the only reality, the universe is not blurred with Brahman or made into a union with Brahman; just as when the rope-snake illusion is realized there is just the rope left remaining alone without any union with the snake that you wrongly thought it was
>God and the universe are in any sense the same being is an idolatry
Advaita doesn't teach this

>> No.15079760

>>15071768
Nigga, dualism was gay anyway. Hylemorphism is correct.