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>The average high-school graduate has done a great deal of reading, and if he goes on to college he will do a great deal more; but he is likely to be a poor and incompetent reader. (Note that this holds true of the average student, not the person who is a subject for special remedial treatment.) He can follow a simple piece of fiction and enjoy it. But put him up against a closely written exposition, a carefully and economically stated argument, or a passage requiring critical consideration, and he is at a loss. It has been shown, for instance, that the average high-school student is amazingly inept at indicating the central thought of a passage, or the levels of emphasis and subordination in an argument or exposition. To all intents and purposes he remains a sixth-grade reader till well along in college.
What did he mean by this?

>> No.15057009

>>15057005
>>The average high-school graduate has done a great deal of reading
Doubt

>> No.15057023

>>15057005
>le critical thinking man

>> No.15057034
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>>15057005
>The average high-school graduate has done a great deal of reading

>> No.15057042

>>15057005
I read this, but couldn't really follow or understand what the post is saying. Can someone summarize it in a meme?

>> No.15057081

>>15057005
I didn't start reading till after I dropped out, checkmate atheists

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>>15057042
here you go bro

>> No.15057162

You can read words on a page but you can't understand them, notice flaws, or refute them.

>> No.15057213

Who said this? The average high school graduate and even the average college graduate has done almost no reading. This is the case at least in 2020 America.

>> No.15057214

>>15057142
Is this loss?

>> No.15057221

Going to college means ZERO in 2020.

>> No.15057232

>>15057162
It's doesnt matter. Everything has already been retroactively refuted.

>> No.15057233

>>15057162
But what if I know a man who can retroactively refute your favorite philosopher?

>> No.15057535

>>15057213
It's an excerpt from How To Read A Book by M. Adler (1972 version)

>> No.15057905

Can confirm. Retard here

>> No.15058280

>>15057005
>a-a toast!

>> No.15058717

>>15058280
the toast picture of this guy used to make me laugh. after I found out he was a tranny it just makes me disgusted.

>> No.15058748

>>15057142
Cute

>> No.15058820

>>15058717
He's actually not a tranny lol, however, a tranny was toastposting him on discord.

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>>15057005
>The average high-school graduate has done a great deal of reading

>and if he goes on to college he will do a great deal more

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>>15057042

>> No.15059376

>>15057535
That’s pretty ironic.

>> No.15059428

>>15057142
Horribly true. For many of my university classes I had to read YA fiction.

>> No.15059430

>>15057042
Tldr it's a beta attempting to deepthroat a jd bottle desu

>> No.15060646

>>15057005
thank you Mortimer, very cool!

>> No.15060662

>>15057213
>The average high school graduate and even the average college graduate has done almost no reading. This is the case at least in 2020 America.
Seriously? Do you live in a ghetto or trailer park?

>> No.15061537

>>15060662
this generation is underrated in how dumb they are. im in college and i would say in a class of 100, about 5-10 of them have read a book in the past year or two. One book. One of my good friends is a smart guy, goes to a decent school, smart parents that are well off, all that. Dude didn't read a single book in high school, let alone pay attention to what was being taught in class. It's just that easy to get by now a days but everything is so streamlined and easy anyways it's hard to see how empty these people really are. I wonder what the older generation thinks of us.

>> No.15061698

>>15060662
sparknotes lol
sad but true

>> No.15061732

Wrong
https://youtu.be/rFgdDS-WmwU

>> No.15061733

>>15061698
Damn. So kids these days don't read the classic novels in high school anymore -- Orwell, Dostoevsky, Dickens, etc.? It has always been one of the more pleasurable parts of the high school curriculum.

>> No.15061793

It's getting worse
I work with a lot of kids
You have 8-14 year olds of all races coming from well off families struggling to read Harry Potter
In play they still have some child creativity but they very rarely have the attention span to apply it to an interest that requires more than 10 min of concentration
There is zero wonder about the larger world, that grandpa or relative with extensive knowledge and ability to explain things to a child is not attractive to them anymore
I do not ever encounter that endless "why" questioning cliche like before
It's over and it's because of electronics, and this isnt surprising when you extend your observational age into the twenties
Boomers were right, it's over

>> No.15061817

>>15061732
It should be illegal to encourage autism like this.

>> No.15062116

>>15061732
Wtf. Their breathing is absolutely autistic. These nerds have never exercised a day in their lives.

>> No.15062168

>>15057005
The people who had sex in high school didn't read anything just used spark notes

>> No.15062196

At the end of my senior year we had to make a presentation of our favorite books for an English class. When I had Hamlet on mine after we just finished reading it I got an audible gasp and some laughing from everybody because they couldn't believe somebody would actually enjoy it. Most of these 17-18 year old kids literally had their lists full of books you would expect a 10 year old to be reading.
There was actual tantrums and outbursting frustration of trying to understand when we read Shakespeare. I went to a public school in a wealthy part of the bay area

>> No.15062207

>>15057142
Fucking KEK

>> No.15062240

>>15062196
lmao I had to give a final presentation on Portrait of the Artist (a book I chose on my own), but I didn't feel like doing it, so I waved the teacher off when she called my name. Still passed with like a B+ it was that easy.

>> No.15062256

>>15062168
I didn't have sex, was the top of my class and still used sparknotes. Literally everyone used sparknotes it's an open secret.

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>>15057005
bump

>> No.15062910

>>15062116
Everything about that is autistic. Who the fuck is interviewing?

Debate outside of the US is nothing like this, like we don't autistically push the rules away from the spirit of debate.

>> No.15062919

>>15057005
I recommend people in this thread read Ivan Illich and John Taylor Gatto to get a more critical analysis of the modern school system and its consequences to society

>> No.15062927

>>15061733
>Dostoevsky
only good things can come from leaving this hack out

>> No.15062940

>>15062927
Why?

>> No.15063008

>>15057142
based lmao

>> No.15063063

>>15062927
Dostoevsky is great when you're 14 or 15 years old. That's why it's taught in high school. I agree he is not for adults, though.