/lit/ - Literature

>>15048385
if they were well written, they would just be normal novels.

>>15048385
There are visual novels that are good, but not light novels.

>>15048397
yeah if they were good they wouldn't be marketed to retards using anime pictures

>>15048385
Hunt out the works of Thorne Smith

>artist is a fucking retardo with a saber face fetish, probably an ugly virgin fuck too
>half-naked drawing of shiki to appease the pee pees of its teenage "readers"
Weebs should just get genocided

I like Slayers because Lina Inverse is my waifu

>>15048581
have sex incel

>>15048594
Dilate tranny

>>15048385
I did read the last story of Kara no Kyoukai and it was pretty fun.

>>15048581
He is too rich to be virgin desu.

Also, I want to read the Ghost in the Shell SAC novels and only found the first volume online, does anyone knows if the second and third volume was ever scanned?

>>15048622
Did you read it in the original? How hard is Nasu's prose in KnK?

>>15048629
>How hard is the prose in [book written for 12 year olds]?
The absolute state of weebs.

VNs and eroge are better. Fate Stay/Night, Subarashiki Hibi and Rance games are literary masterpieces

>>15048629
No, I did read the fan translation. I really enjoyed his stories, they were short and full of nice concepts.

This last one was about a magic cinema box that makes narratives that are all out of character to the usual characters, so it was quite fun to see the situations go on.

>>15048629
all light novels use furigana, which means they're written at an early high school reading level at the most.

>>15048646
Nigger.

>>15048660
That's good to hear. I heard Nasu likes to get fancy with his kanji.

>>15048653
You forgot Tsukihime

>>15048671
you forgot the part where Shirou destroys Sakura with his dick and takes ownership of Tohsaka Rin’s defenseless anus

>>15048670
Oh, he does, a lot. It is common to see japs not understanding or knowing what Kanji he is using at all when some chapters of FGO is released.

>>15048671
I should read the VN already, I only read the manga and watched the anime.

Shiki was pretty cool

>>15048385
Tatami Galaxy perhaps.
tfw no eng translation

>>15048385
Light novels are not worse than Western pop literature, such as ASOIAF, Handmaiden's Tale, Stephen King and so on.

It is not Tolstoy, but it is not worse than what most people read.

>>15048653
this all looks like shitty fantasy shit

>>15048693
Thank you for your response, anon. Do you think something like the Boogiepop ranobes would make for good first works to read in moon? I've read the translations of the first 6 novels already and I'd like to read the rest.

>>15048704
thanks for recognizing its true place int he literary pecking order

>>15048704
They're the equivalent of YA fiction.

>>15048693
I've heard the anime was shit, never watched it myself
Did read the manga after reading the VN though, and I approve of it, pretty good job taking elements from most of the routes and combining them with Arc's in new original scenes
I recommend giving the VN a shot, the order most players go in is: Arc, Ciel, Akiha, Hisui, Kohaku
Just remember to save at decisions and use multiple save slots, this makes it easy to go back through a route and fix where you might have fucked yourself from a certain ending

>>15048670
Nasu likes his rare and archaic words, but between furigana and a good dictionary it's not a big problem.

>>15048693
>the Regura doujin of that girl on the right

>>15048720
so like the books anon mentioned

>>15048718
They do not have as their objective being Tolstoy. You won't learn profound shit about the human condition by reading them. If you do, it is by accident. They are only meant to entertain and they do that well.
They are honest about that, in the same way that someone like Brandon Sanderson is honest about that.

>>15048720
The examples I give are not really different from YA.

>>15048707
Dunno man, I don't deal in runes.

>>15048726
The anime was really weird, it was like they knew there was no way of getting the story told in that format, so they changed the tone to something more gothic 00's vibe. The OST was really good, but the story and animation was very limited.


I was kinda saving for the remake, but I guess it won't come in a few years, so I guess I will have to decide if I will read Tsukihime or Muv-Luv anyways.

>>15048746
>tfw raita wont be able to make doujins of raikou and murasaki

At least Fue is putting some godtier comfy content.

>>15048765
>The examples I give are not really different from YA.
None of those are targeted at teenage readers and aren't written with them in mind, whereas LNs are.

>>15048766
Muv-Luv would be a difficult read. Unlimited and Alternative have a fair amount of fast-moving auto text.

>>15048385
Oreimo

>>15048766
Read a good VN instead

>>15048893
Some LNs are aimed at other audiences.
And I'm not talking about target demographic, I'm talking about their quality.
Of course there is a large variance in LN quality, but on the average they are on the same level as ASOIAF, Handmaiden's Tale, those grimdark fantasy novels by Abercrombie.

>>15049113
No they aren't.

>>15049180
Yes, they are.
ASOIAF is not in a higher tier than "Hunger Games" (which I believe is the most popular YA series) or Konosuba.

>>15049271
No, they aren't. All anyone has to do is read the first page or two and you can easily tell. Left is the beginning of Konosuba, right is the beginning of ASOIAF. You're just a deluded weeb.

>>15048397
Fpbp

>>15049328
They are both "entertainment pop novels" that you read to pass your time. They are on the same level.

>>15049328
larding your prose with uninspired descriptions doesn't actually improve it

>>15049358
They aren't. Light novels are primarily just strings of back and forth dialogue, whereas an normal novel contains more descriptive prose.
>>15049377
In other words they're not the same thing. Thanks for admitting it.

>>15049399
>In other words they're not the same thing. Thanks for admitting it.
i actually don't disagree, martin is trying a little harder, but not nearly hard enough

>>15048414
Can you name a few?

>>15049410
Let's delve a little further into the free Amazon preview. Again left is Konosuba, right is ASOIAF. The difference is as clear as day. I'm not making an argument for the literary merit of ASOIAF, but it is an actual adult novel.

>>15049399
They are on the exact same level. You will not become more cultured, learn about the human condition or anything of the kind by reading ASOIAF, Handmaiden's Tale, Harry Potter or Konosuba.
You will get entertained by their plot and that's it. If you want to get any life lessons from those books, you are an idiot.

>>15049428
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelt fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.

>>15049440
Continuing to repeat the same nonsense in the face of clear evidence fails to convince.

>>15049449
I quite clearly said, in the very post you are responding to, that I was not arguing for the literary merit of ASOIAF.

>>15049425
The best translated VN is Subahibi.

>>15049450
What kind of clear evidence?
What exactly do you learn from ASOIAF? It is literally just a fun fantasy novel you read to pass your time.

>>15049471
The clear evidence that light novels are written in a fundamentally different and much more simplistic manner than a normal novel.

>>15049471
anonymous thinks more descriptions and longer paragraphs makes a book more adult

>>15049428
>an actual adult novel.
Do you think ASOIAF is superior to Chronicles of Narnia due to being an "adult novel"?

>>15049481
When their core objective is to "entertain the reader" that doesn't make them worse.

>>15049486
Even western children's literature like Narnia is written in a more sophisticated manner than LNs.

>>15049481
What is your opinion on Blood Meridian? Is it worse than ASOIAF?

>>15049502
Answer the question.

>>15049500
It makes them not the same thing because their composition is fundamentally different.
>>15049509
I'm not sure what point you could possibly be making. Blood Meridian is not written in prose intended for 12 year olds either.

>>15049519
honestly the content of that light novel isn't for 12 year olds either (lots of sexual shit), so i'd think it's mainly just written for retards. though i know japanese basically put softcore porn in their children's media so whatever

>>15049519
>It makes them not the same thing because their composition is fundamentally different.
They have the same objective, their end is to entertain the readers.
You judge their merits on that.

>>15049515
No, I do not. It has no bearing on the discussion though because literature such as Narnia is not written in the same retard-tier dialogue "prose" as LNs.
>>15049542
Dumb sexual shit is very funny to teenagers.
>>15049551
>I will ignore the way in which they are quite clearly different so that I can say they are the same thing ;)
I repeat that you are a deluded weeb.

basically most light novels aren't written for 12 year olds, they're written for retarded autistic people, unlike asoiaf which is written for midwit autistic people

>>15049565
You judge the quality of something based on how it works for its purpose.

First and Last Idol is unironically /lit/ af

>>15049565
>No, I do not.
But didn't you say ASOIAF was superior because it was an "actual adult novel"? Narnia is not aimed for adults.

>>15049610
I said it was "not the same thing."
>>15049596
>Form is irrelevant in literature
Lol.

>>15049640
Yes.

>>15049608
>using whaling in the metaphor instead of like agriculture
lol fucking gooks

>>15049608
So this is the power of LNs......

>>15049685
>onee-sama
>-chan
even the translators know these are written for spergs

>>15049640
If Dosto wrote the same content but in LN style and his novels had random illustrations of busty anime women, his books would continue to have much more merit than ASOIAF.

>>15049698
Lol, okay.

>>15049719
You think this would not be the case?

>>15049740
No, I don't. You're welcome to show me any literature of a level with Dostoevsky that is written in the style of a light novel. I'll wait.

>>15049769
>No, I don't
So, form is superior to content?
A book written with simple words where you would learn about the human condition is worse than a book with superficial characters about fighting ice zombies?

>tfw my only exposure to Japanese culture is Mishima, Murakami and visual art
It's pretty nice not being a pleb.

>anime thread
>on /literature/

weebs should just fucking die already.

>>15049810
You're welcome to figure out how you can replicator The Grand Inquisitor in light novel format without losing any of its meaning, but I'm done playing this silly game with you.

>>15049861
replicate*

>>15049861
We are discussing content vs form.

>>15049876
And I don't agree with you that any given content can be replicated in any given form. Not posting again.

>>15049425
Not him but Wonderful Everyday

>>15049903
That's just a way to avoid answering the question of content vs form.
And in terms of content, ASOIAF does not beat YA like Narnia or LN like Oregairu.

>>15049822
>Mishima, Murakami
Those are the most internationally visible Japanese writers. You're a super pleb.

>>15049831
Anime website, normalfag
This thread is about Jap lit, even if we're talking about shitty Jap books they still can be discussed in /lit/

>>15050038
They are indeed, and for good reason. But as a result they are not weeby. While I will acknowledge that there must be a great many Japanese writers who are great that I am not familiar with, the fact is that most """popular""" Japanese writing and media is weebshit, that is utterly infantile. As an adult, I no longer have any interest in YA art, so why would I care about anime or light novels or what have you. I'll stick with the serious Japanese artists, and they are Murakami and Mishima. As I said, there are more and I will strive to find them, but for the moment I feel justified in my autofellatio over thinking that liking two greats is more patrician than reading stuff meant for people with an emotional age between 10 and 14. More patrician still is of course finding the less appreciated Nip authors and I am confident I'll get there one day.

Frankly I thought my post would get called out for appearing to be a newfag by dismissing Japanese culture on a forum devoted to drawn photo montages from a Pacific archipelago.

>>15050510
This post reeks of immaturity.
>Mature books for mature people like me

You are not superior to other people.

>>15050510
I mean... Let me guess, your favorite philosopher is Nietzsche.

>>15048414
evrytime a /lit/fag says that visual novels can be good he ends up bringing up some pretentious gay shit with lesbians in it
just garbage

>>15048385
Almost all anime trash is worthless, it's only appeal is that it offers some occasional novelty.

>>15051399
the only good animes are miyazaki movies

>>15051488
Miyazaki is a confirmed pedophile

>>15051520
Based. Source?

For light novels, I've enjoyed reading "The empy box and the zeroth Maria". Aside from that, "Dungeon Defense" is pretty solid, and very well translated by Shalvation in his blog (The light novel version).
For visual novels, nothing compares to "Wonderful Everyday down the rabbit hole"

>>15048385
A Certain Magical Index novels are entertaining and I like to read the new ones as they come out. That's all I have to say.

I fucking love Japan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSfKCd7uPV0

>>15051520
no he's not, you're thinking of tsutomu miyazaki the serial killer

>>15052581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q16KpquGsIc

>>15051399
>>15051488
your mother is a good anime when I came in her mouth. Faggot.

>>15049691
how you supposed to translate it, great big sister? no one says this shit

>>15052858
well translators apparently don't fuss about that crap with other untranslatable linguistic peculiarities, just the ones anime nerds are aware of and will get butthurt about if you translate like a normal person

if you want to read light novels because you think they're fun, that's fine. But don't lie and say that they're quality fiction.

>>15054368
Holy shit this is fucking horrible and I already hated anime I didn’t think I could hate it anymore

>>15054376
I find it funny how people debate about the quality of light novels without actually posting excerpts. That's not even the worst example.

Excerpt from Strawberry Panic, professionally translated by Seven Seas.
>Flutter flutter...
>All around them, cherry blossoms scattered to the ground. In the middle of a cherry-blossom-colored mist, a larger figure and a smaller figure stood close together atop a hill, surrounded by thick, old cherry trees. Standing atop the gently rolling hill of bright green, the two figures looked like they were floating in a thin, cherry-colored cloud.
>"The time has finally come to say goodbye, hasn't it?"
>"Oneesama, I...still..."
>Fwooo. A gentle breeze blew. It scattered the cherry blossoms again.
>Flutter flutter...

If someone can find a western YA book with prose worse than this I'll give you a bitcoin.

>>15054368
more proof that anime is a CIA psyop to feminize intended targets

>>15048385
LNs are dog shit but VNs are patrician

>>15048385
Monogatari. Most likely the only well written LN. Haven't read Boogiepop yet

>>15054550
Monogatari, and also Zaregoto are quite well written. Nisio tends to care more about localization than other nip writers and his team approves what's released, which also has an effect on the quality.

>>15054404
>Fwooo. A gentle breeze blew.

Imagine being asked to read this shit out loud to an audience at a library event or something. Oh dear god.

>>15054748
now imagine Christopher Walken reading it aloud.
https://youtu.be/KKNaYlzssbc?t=34

>>15049822
murakami is trash

>>15054787

>"some kind of bugs on the earth, but...oh, no, they's flowers. I dunno why they have bug ears"
my sides

>>15048385
Kara No Kyoukai is the best Urban Fantasy out there. Blows the shit written by Butcher and Aaronovitch out of the water. Does anyone have any urban fantasy novel recommendations similar or better than KnK?

>>15052908
it makes more sense than translating it because we don’t even use honorifics

>>15048385
Polish translation of Re:Zero is pretty good

>>15054804
>some kind of bugs on the earth
did he mean these kinds of bugs?

>rarely, if ever, does /lit/ discuss Tanizaki, Kawabata, Soseki, Oe
>but "SO, UH DIS LAIT NOBL, IS DIS /LIT/, HUH, HUH?" retardation occurs almost daily
I hate animenigger subhuman vermin so much its unreal

>>15049328
While GRRM books are just crap entertainment, you are absolutely right as he still puts more effort in than the writers of LNs. LNs are beyond trash, anyone defending them is a delusional weeb and doesn’t belong on /lit/, especially considering that they could discuss actual japanese literature if they wanted to, not trite anime crap designed to appeal to autistic shut-ins.

>>15049358
>They are on the same level.
They would be if asoiaf wasn't for westernized bugmen and had cute anime girls.

>>15055240
I think he could mean these bugs

>>15048385
A couple of manga I enjoyed personally were Death Note and Battle Royale, albeit the novel to Battle Royale was 100x better. I think I just enjoyed the manga because it gave backstories to all of the characters.

>>15049915
>>15048653
>>15049463
>Subarashiki Hibi
>DUUUDE WORDS HAVE A SUBJECTIVE MEANING!! LIKE... EVERYTHING YOU SEE OUTSIDE FROM YOUR ORGANS IS ALSO INSIDE YOUR MIND.... SO LIKE...... THERE IS NO OBJECTIVE TRUTH IN LIFE ITS NIHILISM BUT YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN MEANING, BUT NEVERTHELESS LIKE, BE HAPPY BRO!

>>15054550
>>15054734
gross

>>15056172
Pleb...

Not really a Light Novel, but the Moribito series is a good read if you're into fantasy. Only the first two have been translated into English, though