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>>15048130
Fucking batty boy

>>15048130
stop being gay

>>15048130
Bend over and I’ll rape you to death

>>15048130
Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation

Sex and character.

>>15048130
On a serious note, why do incels think that becoming gay will show women who was in the wrong? Like if you cannot get a girl, become a monk or something. It's many times better than wearing diapers and dying from gentile herpes, AIDS or some other LGBTQWERTY++ sickness.

But if you wish to become gay, you can read these:
> Das Kapital
> Lenins collected writings
> The Rust Programming Language (useful if you want to become trans).

>>15048130
Dude, that's gay

>>15048130
Augiéras, The Sorcerer's Apprentice

>>15048130
>the final push
yeah, the "final push" is when someone forces a dick into your butt

>>15048217
HAHA based Evola reader

>>15048130
who's the boy?

>>15048217
>why do incels think that becoming gay will show women who was in the wrong
It's a phase anon, socially autistic will hardly find a male partner if they can't even talk to girls.
>become a monk or something
This is the only answer to the incel question. Come to terms with the fact that God made you this way and lay aside the sexual desires you'll never be able to satisfy.

>It's many times better than wearing diapers and dying from gentile herpes, AIDS or some other LGBTQWERTY++ sickness.
Some gay people utterly despise the LGBT community and what it has become. But all in all, earthly love always entails physical attraction which incels do not possess alongside confidence and an outgoing personality which mostly stems from physical attractiveness. The wizard life is the only alternative to suicide for introverts, it's a sad reality that we must face.

>>15048546
*socially autistic incels

>>15048130
Literally the greeks

>>15048601
Explain.

>>15048217
I'm not actually a leftist. In fact I would describe myself as a traditionalist-nationalist, but I somehow feel vaguely gay if that makes sense.

>>15048546
I can actually talk to girls; I've had girlfriends before, and it didn't fulfil me at all, while being with dudes somehow does (at least more so).

>>15048842
then you don't belong here in the first place

>>15048640
How so? Which works?

>>15048539
>filename

>>15048857
I've been on here for way too long, to leave now though.

>>15048130
Homosexuality is the end result of a deep understanding of aesthetics. When one truly understands the divine nature of the human form, one realizes it is the body of the male which exhibits this in it's most pure. But if you need further grounds to be homosexual, read authors who accept antinatalism as the only moral choice.

>>15048826
work in progress pre-modern homosex lit chart. That WIP pic is out of date tho. New versions coming soon

>>15048217
BASED

>>15048832
Being gay isn't political you mong.

>>15049050
Yes it is. Fundamentally, heterosexual and homosexual are at desirable odds. Heterosexuals wish to have an environment which is most conducive towards family rearing, while faggots are vested in creating more faggots through molestation and manipulation. Faggots are not interested in heterosexual values in as much as that they have the possibility to abuse your kid. This is why you see faggots overwhelmingly support institutional control and separation of kids from parent and why faggots will always be far-left subhuman freaks.

>>15048832
>I would describe myself as a traditionalist-nationalist, but I somehow feel vaguely gay
You're in good company. homofash is very trendy rn

>>15049110
this is your mind on /pol/

>>15049110
Based

>>15049337
you will never pass

>>15049337
>/pol/ is wrong
COPE

>>15048130
ill never understand this, if youre gay, why would you be atracted to somebody who - ironically - has more feminine than masculine appearance? doesnt that make you straight?

>>15050403
Fags are coping for the lopsided gender complexes within their unconscious and primitive psyche. It’s not enough to consume their entire Being, considering their physical existence.

>>15048879
ah, boy_1, of course!

>>15049110
What you're arguing against is anti-social behavior, not homosexuality. What you describe as heterosexual values aren't exclusive to heterosexuals. Creating and maintaining the best conditions for raising kids is a value held by any well-adjusted human being, and even people who don't want to have children understand the importance of that kind of environment if they have any sense of obligation to future generations.

Yes, there are gays who exhibit selfish, hedonistic behavior or abuse children, but the heterosexuals who do those things are just as much of a problem and should be dealt with just as severely. To suggest that kind of behavior is intrinsic to homosexuality is the same line of thinking as a feminist who concludes that straight men will rape a woman any chance they get because most rapists are straight men.

>This is why you see faggots overwhelmingly support institutional control and separation of kids from parent and why faggots will always be far-left subhuman freaks.
Source: memes and anecdotes backed up by cherrypicked article headlines and twitter posts
Don't pretend like the vast majority of them aren't average center-left Democrats.

>>15050787
>Yes, there are gays who exhibit selfish, hedonistic behavior
Literally the whole lot of /lgbt/. I'm not even kidding, look at the catalog. This shit is what makes me ashamed of my orientation.

>>15050787
>Creating and maintaining the best conditions for raising kids is a value held by any well-adjusted human being
Too bad faggots aren’t well adjusted human beings. A well adjusted human acknowledges and understands what is best for his kind. A well adjusted faggot would understand it’s best if he stays in the closet and would refrain from perturbing upon heterosexual society. Faggots destroy everything sacred and holy to heterosexuals because faggots are the equivalent of human spiritual diarrhea.

>>15050889
>A well adjusted faggot would understand it’s best if he stays in the closet and would refrain from perturbing upon heterosexual society.
Gays don't perturb heterosexuals simply by existing. I'm assuming you would agree that there are some ideas pushed by LGBT movements that can be harmful. However, blaming gays in general for that is like saying all White Americans are responsible for the actions of the KKK. You're still using the same cancerous generalizations that sjw's use against men or white people and you forgot to address that point of mine in your reply.

>Faggots destroy everything sacred and holy to heterosexuals
Could you give an example? Or are gay ballet dancers the great perturbation that the fags are using to destroy heterosexual society by pressuring straight men into abandoning everything sacred and holy in favor of cardio?

>>15050889
>tfw no ballet bf
they have the best asses tbqh

>>15051263

>>15051263
bath houses

>>15051263
Could you give an example?

>>15051263
>Could you give an example?

>>15050889
Would absolutely POUND that cutie in the middle
>>15048130
Pomogisebe on Instagram if you want to see more of him

>>15051263
>Could you give an example?

>>15051348
Why should gay marriage be considered harmful in a secular society? It certainly isn't as prevalent as divorce among straight couples.

>>15051360
I wasn't aware bath houses were hallowed ground before gays came along.
And how does this "perturb" heterosexuals? Isn't the whole point that they're away from straights?

>>15051386
You could have made a good post if you showed how LGBT subjects are handled in schools, but this is just some guy complaining about it on twitter with no reference to anything specific.

>>15051432
What's the reasoning behind this?
>A happened and then B happened, therefore A caused B.

>>15051463
That thing should be lynched. But this thread is about homosexuality, not drag queen/trans antics.
And just because it happens doesn't automatically mean that there's a significant amount of people actually defending something this fucked up.

>>15051266
And the best everything.

I would work on getting your dick hungry for it. Masturbate to only to most prime men you can find.

>>15051263
>Gays don't perturb heterosexuals simply by existing.

>>15051712
>Masturbate to only to most prime men you can find.
Too bad fags are overwhelmingly disgusting and disease ridden baboons

>>15051779
Spoken like someone with a lot of experience in the field. It's okay Anon, I'm sure we'll find a cure for your butt aids one day.

>>15051712
>Masturbate to only to most prime men you can find.
Not just masturbate to. Become.

>>15051796
We can cure gays. There are drugs which will shrink a mans prostate so as to eliminate stimulation.

>>15051846
Female circumcision doesn't stop a woman from being attracted to a man.

>>15051865
>Female circumcision doesn't stop a woman from being attracted to a man
Women aren’t attracted to men themselves. They are attracted to the Idea.

>>15051870
How do you know that?
And if that's true, how are men different?

>>15051886
Fags aren’t different. They’re attracted to the Idea of being a faggot.

>>15051685
BASED. Notice how poltards only know how to communicate through image macros. No need for rational thought, just posting.

>>15051896
Again, how do you know that?
And if that were the case then it doesn't matter whether or not their prostate responds to stimulation.

>>15051900
Faggot

>>15051917
Woah. You just proved me wrong. Wait. no you didn't.

>>15051936
>hurr how do faggots intrude on heterosexuals???
>durrr those aren’t good enough for me!!!

>>15048130
you have that picture saved so you are probably already gay

>>15051711
CUTE
>>15051947
>image macros are arguments
Try harder

>>15051954
Homosexuality and masturbation are coping mechanisms that mammals use to deal with extreme stress and trauma
>Masturbation and homosexuality absent in primitive hunter gatherer tribes
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/

>>15051947
>The fact that I get assblasted on twitter by lgbt means that I'm justified in hating all non-heterosexual people.

>>15051983
The rainbow flag is a metaphor for how faggots are perceived as opposed to how they actually are. They portray themselves as diverse and beautiful--in reality, their souls are a mixture of all colors. Brown. The color of shit.

Neither do they produce good nor beautiful things. Only ugly things, degenerate and vulgar things. Crass, disgusting, scatological things. Anything beautiful they created was by accident, and a product of their oppression, not of their true spirit.

>>15051977
That's not even what the article says brainlet

>>15051995
Ok anon. Thank you for giving me some propositions. (Not quite an argument yet! But you'll get there one day!)
I'll try to not nitpick this death and actually try to respond to what substance there is.
>The rainbow flag is a metaphor for how faggots are perceived as opposed to how they actually are.

I'm not LGBT so I don't really have much stock invested in the imagery of the pride flag. I think its a positive thing if queer people can use it in a way to validate their identity. What makes someone gay is quite literally all they are doing is having sexual/romantic feelings for someone of their sex. Which I don't think is a bad thing. I'm of the opinion that you actually have to be courageous to be public about the differences that define who you are. I think that American culture, especially in rural populations, are very bigoted toward any sort of abnormal trait.

>They portray themselves as diverse and beautiful--in reality, their souls are a mixture of all colors. Brown. The color of shit.

Well, I'm pretty sure that the LGBT community is one of the most heterogeneous and diverse groups by its nature. Which ironically causes a lot of problems due to human's natural in-group biases. The stuff about colors of souls really not relevant to an actual discussion. You're just saying out right that their existence is immoral. Without reasons of course.

>Neither do they produce good nor beautiful things. Only ugly things, degenerate and vulgar things. Crass, disgusting, scatological things.

You're saying that queer people are incapable of making beautiful things? I think there is good evidence that you can be immoral and heterosexual. And its possible to be heterosexual and scatological, but that's whatever.

>Anything beautiful they created was by accident, and a product of their oppression, not of their true spirit.

I don't think that making art is an exact science. Everything involving humans, especially that is which is beautiful, has an inherent part of irrationality to it. A piece of art may require technical skill, but the inspiration of the work must come from the unconscious imagination. I don't know how an end-product of beauty is invalidated by the creator coming from oppressed circumstances. Could you elaborate?

>>15048217
It's a deep rooted incel cope

>>15048217
most of the people who identify as queer are just ugly

>>15048862
All of them. Look at Achilles and Patroclus

>>15051900
I've never interacted with a smart poltard. Their very mental disposition is to parrot some sort of "party line" and deviation is punished among their kind with cultic shaming techniques. They all act out with these self-parodic responses, name-calling, slurs, fabricated infographics or cherry-picked examples of confirmation bias. You never hear anything new, penetrating, or innovative from them, because their very belief system prohibits it. Lost in the the web of their own misdirections, fueled by fear and hatred, barricaded within a comfortable shell of willful ignorance, they bring nothing but embarrassment and uselessness to any discussion. The same canned responses, the same party line, the same memes.

>>15052323
>I've never interacted with a smart faggot. Their very mental disposition is to parrot some sort of "party line" and deviation is punished among their kind with cultic shaming techniques. They all act out with these self-parodic responses, name-calling, slurs, fabricated infographics or cherry-picked examples of confirmation bias. You never hear anything new, penetrating, or innovative from them, because their very belief system prohibits it. Lost in the the web of their own misdirections, fueled by fear and hatred, barricaded within a comfortable shell of willful ignorance, they bring nothing but embarrassment and uselessness to any discussion. The same canned responses, the same party line, the same memes.

>>15051947
You're right. A bunch of images and memes you got from /pol/ isn't good enough. I'm looking for an argument with REASONS why you believe what you believe, and why you think my position is wrong. This should not be a difficult task.

>>15051995
>gays bad because der souls are poo-poo color and dey make bad things
I've dealt with a lot of /pol/tards but you're something else. You don't even have the courtesy to pretend that your views are based on evidence or make some sense. I thought you were eventually going to take a break from shitposting to actually articulate your thoughts. Instead you continue to post smug, baseless nonsense that doesn't challenge anyone's views because you are completely unwilling or incapable of engaging honestly with this topic.

Fuck the moralcucks in this thread. Nietzsche once said that if something's falling you should give it a shove.

>>15048217
>The Rust Programming Language
Lost

>>15052555
>I'm looking for an argument with REASONS why you believe what you believe
No you’re not. You’re a faggot trying to justify your backwards, unnatural, and subhuman sexual orientation. You will never accept anything other than a faggots aids-stick up your ass.

>>15050826
I think most people are this way. Some more than others. The deal with heterosexuals is that the prospect of children forces one to think outside the framework of sex purely for sexes sake

>>15051936
Those goalposts just keep on flying away.

>>15052983
>ur gay lol
Still not an argument.
I don't need to justify homosexuality because it is not immoral. You seem to disagree, and I'd like to know why, besides the fact it's gross and hurts your feelings.

>>15053092
>I don't need to justify homosexuality because it is not immoral.
>my justification is that being a faggot is moral

>>15053106
It's neither moral nor immoral. It doesn't have any moral weight by itself, unless you can prove otherwise.

>>15053142
>It's neither moral nor immoral
>source: my ass

>>15053160
That standard applies to everything. Every action is neither moral nor immoral until you can demonstrate otherwise.
Does murder have moral weight? Yes, and it is immoral, because it causes measurable harm to others.
Does homosexuality have moral weight? No, as it is intrinsically neither beneficial nor harmful to others.
This is generally how people determine things as right or wrong. What's the alternative? Considering every act immoral by default?

>>15053259
>Does homosexuality have moral weight? No, as it is intrinsically neither beneficial nor harmful to others.
>source: dude, trust me. I’m a faggot.

>>15053259
>Does homosexuality have moral weight? No, as it is intrinsically neither beneficial nor harmful to others.

>>15053287
Reply to me again when you have a real argument.

>>15053300
How about you post the actual paper and not just a screencap of the abstract.

>>15053376
>How about you post the actual paper and not just a screencap of the abstract.
Nah. You’re a faggot. Fuck you.

>>15053388
I askd because in other threads like these some /pol/tards cited a study that was suppose to prove that same-sex couples abuse children at much higher rates than straight ones. If you actually read the study though, you'll find that it was funded by the Catholic University of America and the journal that originally published it retracted it when they found out it didn't undergo any peer review whatsoever. I thought that the paper you posted could be different.
But you don't have the paper, you've never read it or even know how credible it is. You don't care. You just saved that image because it confirms the opinions you already have.

>>15053510

/pol/tards should be banned off every board.

>>15053603
Good luck fag

>>15053549
Imagine posting sourceless stats and thinking they mean anything.
You're just proving my point, retard.

>>15053510
>t originally published it retracted it when they found out it didn't undergo any peer review whatsoever.
because most "peers" are pro-homosexual. Don't accept objectivity from them.

>>15053620
Imagine claiming being a fag is neither moral nor immoral.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4903140/

>>15048862
plato's symposium.

>>15048842
men are more interesting usually. women can be interesting too... but they are interesting in a different way. there is nothing like a driven man really. they are full of passion and strength and righteousness. they can take on the fucking world and win. there is a beauty in their strength.
women are soft and delicate, gentle and nurturing. there is beauty in their fragility.

but most of our sexual attraction is due to conditioning anyways, only some can see that beauty exists each

>>15053649
Yeah this guy definitely doesnt have any ulterior motive and this study is to be trusted

>>15053643
You understand that's the same excuse flat-earthers use to justify why their claims don't have any evidence behind them, right?
There's a difference between healthy skepticism and conspiracy theory.

>>15053649
Yep, no conflict of interest here.

>>15053671

>>15053671
>Christians can’t have ulterior motives
>But I, a faggot, am neither moral nor immoral. I have no ulterior motives. I don’t exist politically.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4771005/

>>15053376

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

>>15053680
>There's a difference between healthy skepticism and conspiracy theory.
You just compared flat earth theory to whether or not faggots are good/bad

>>15053666
OP here. Alright, I see how this would make sense, but what exactly do you mean with "conditioning"? I've done a lot of soul searching, and I feel like my childhood was probably as normal as a childhood could ever be, except a few minor things, but who's childhood is perfect anyway. And my adult life so far has been nothing out of the ordinary too. I have relationships with all kinds of people with all kinds of different beliefs and opinions - so it's not like I only hang out with gay people/ LGBT people/ PC-obsessed people, you name it...

You have any recommendations on the different beauty of women, or the beauty of the two sexes in general?

>>15053686
Fuck off papist
>>15053688
Catholic "science", embarrassing

>>15053704
Nice same fag.

>>15053707
You know it’s wrong you’re a faggot. Otherwise you’d be living your life instead of grasping at straws trying to prove faggots aren’t a detriment heterosexual values.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=same-sex+parents+abuse+statistics&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart#d=gs_qabs&u=%23p%3DpX6pO8G_yccJ

>>15053707
>Catholic "science", embarrassing
Catholic science like the "big bang" or "mendelian heredity" amirite?

>>15053710
What did he mean by this

>>15053704
My point actually was that most people are straight in 2020 because that is how our culture conditions us. How else would you explain why so many of the Greeks appreciated male beauty? Their culture valued it more, our culture sees it as weakness. Our culture’s men are pretty lost too, so they develop childish macho personalities to compensate (look at the red pill community if you want a good laugh)

I don’t have any recommendations for you. If you find men more interesting then pursue that. Find your own way. It just may be difficult to be sexually attracted to men if your whole life you’re have been conditioned to only sexualize women. I haven’t read much, I was just sharing my thoughts.

>>15053694
Thanks. I'm having trouble getting access to the full article for free but I'll take a look when I get the chance.
Regardless, it just seems to confirm that early childhood experiences shapes ones' sexuality later in life, and points out how there's a lot of child molestation among gays.
If I can find similar studies that confirm the same thing then I can't deny it. But that doesn't have anything do with the majority of homosexuals who weren't molested and don't molest children.
Again, most rapists are straight males but you can't use that statistic to say being a straight man is in itself immoral.

>>15053699
No, I compared a canceling hypothesis to another canceling hypothesis.
>A is true
>B is the reason there is no evidence for A

>>15053774
>My point actually was that most people are straight in 2020 because that is how our culture conditions us
Because being straight is good for making healthy families which produce and create healthy, happy babies. Being a faggot is good for spreading disease.

>>15053774
you can appreciate male aesthetics without being sexually aroused.

>>15053777
>No, I compared a canceling hypothesis to another canceling hypothesis.
You’re the semantic ESL fag who keeps shitting up the board

>>15053774
Fair enough. Sexual attraction and emotional attraction are two different things though. So even if it was true that "our society" (given that there isn't just one monolithic society/ culture anyway) idealised the female form in a sexual way, that would still not explain why the majority feels emotional attraction to women as well; your way of thinking strikes me as inherently constructionist. Im not saying that thats a bad thing, but its ability to explain things is really limited.

>>15053819
>that would still not explain why the majority feels emotional attraction to women as well
t. doesn’t understand how desire works

>>15053826
Explain it to me then, faggot

>>15053849
>t. helpless baby who needs to be spoonfed real knowledge
Die fag

>>15053864
Pretty lazy response

>>15048130
The Quran

>>15048130
I'd eat your boipussy don't worry OP.

>>15048130

Do you need a book to tell you what is inherent to your nature and how you correspond to another human being in love? If you are attracted to the form of a male, then no matter the function, from the dominance of muscle to the softer features of male youth, as long as it is consensual, you need no permission. Carnal desire between two people is its own form, regardless of how others wish it to be shaped.

Do not fall into the trap of another allowing your mind to be their place, just as pernicious as allowing your mind to be its own place, either would be a solipsism of its own or their own, where good is evil and evil good. You need only ask yourself, what are you attracted to and is it consensual, such that if those conditions are met, it is not only acceptable to pursue it, but righteous, as it gives you both pleasure so long as you both consider the immediate consequences which pertain to the affects upon yourselves and cannot reasonably by of harm to others. Noone was ever harmed by watching two men having a go at each other in the sheets and if so, then its their problem not yours.

It is never incumbent on you to take on responsibility for the indirect consequences of your actions as a regular person. Do not allow them to insist upon such. Milton writes a very good screed on the nature of freedom and justice and know, that having sex with another man could never amount to anything condemnable. Reading Paradise Lost and the subsequent works will give you a very good understanding of what morality is all about, if you can separate out his intentions from the necessity of not appealing to the governed's religious sensibilities.


He was a poet so, he'd have no problem with you along with the rest of the aristocracy of the time. What we know about Judeo-Christian values today, is heavily influenced by literal interpretations of the Bible, which to Milton was really a framework for organizing society. In fact the Orthodox Jewishness of Christianity should have been dismissed long ago and its important to read Milton for just that, because he was instrumental in having people interpreting the bible in terms of metaphors.

>>15054080
>that having sex with another man could never amount to anything condemnable
Until you get literal human shit on your dick

>>15054080
>having sex with another man could never amount to anything condemnable
It’s rather condemnable to submit to carnal desire when there is no purpose except for an outlet of excess jouissancee, which in any case should be directed towards something more healthy for society like charity work or what not. Only sex between heterosexuals is productive and creative and can be determined of good intentions outside of degenerate desire.

>>15054080
>t. Alistair Crowley

>>15048130
>if you fuck boi pussies because you feel like it
based and redpilled

>if you fuck boy pussies because that's "your sexual orientation"
cringe and bluepilled

>>15053779
You can't have sexual liberation without homosexuality, pedophilia, and slavery also being acceptable. It was the norm for most of history. You can either have a Christian society or a pagan one. Both have their merits, but you don't get to pick from both. Our culture is insane in a way.

>>15053780
I want to destroy left's bussy

>>15054378
>you can't have sexual liberation without homosexuality, pedophilia, and slavery also being acceptable
sexual liberation is a meme in itself. Liberated from what? The natural role of your sex? Good luck.

>>15053774
>Greeks appreciated male beauty?
doesn't not equal modern western homosexuality

>>15054654
You're an ideologue. There was a very strong reason why promiscuity was at least socially frowned upon, and why marriage lasted until death. A promiscuous person should be viewed, in a Christian society and not a classical one, in the same way as a homosexual, pedophile or slave-owner should. They are all equally detrimental to a functioning, non-classical society.