/lit/ - Literature

Nothing. We have already seen that the Philistine Personality is far worse.

>>15043709
But do they can carry genocides?

>>15043683
>remove everyone that is X
>Y becomes the new X
>What should we do about all these horrible Y’ers?

This is like the 3rd post I’ve seen asking a question like this. Stop spamming.

>>15043726
Which were the other two?

>>15043683
That's pretty funny anon. I get it. I normally would just go along with the joke but it seems like nobody's picking up on it and I want to let you know you're clever.

>bad faith: the book

>>15043812
goofball
it's an essay

>>15043709
They're more or less the same thing. Read the book and you'll see that "authoritarian" personalities are more or less just those dominated by ideas that remain immune to the reasoning faculties of the person to whom they belong. Interestingly, I see many traits that I think are shared today by lots of people who in America are called white liberals. I'm interested to know if any actual social researchers have made the same observation.

If only the incels and anti-Semites on this website had enough insight to know that they are cut from the same cloth of resentment as those who, superficially, are their opponents.

>>15043812
There are certainly problems with the psychoanalytic framework they invoke and perhaps also with some aspects of the questionnaire itself, but unless you want to say that the whole study was a hoax, the results seem pretty clear.

>>15043816
it's a book
>>15044085
the study wasn't a "hoax," but methodologically it was extremely flawed, even for sociology

Exterminate them in a camp, presumably

And to answer OP's question, I think the only answer is always education. Unfortunately, this would require people with a head on their shoulders and a heart in their breasts to already be in charge of national education. It presents the same problem as the vanguard in Leninism.

>>15044100
From what I've read, people still consider at least the F and the A-S scales to be pretty predictive.

>>15044103
No, that's not the right answer.

>>15044138
>From what I've read, people still consider at least the F and the A-S scales to be pretty predictive.
delusional retards, maybe

>>15044156
What article(s) are you basing your evaluation on? Or did you just look at the questionnaires and decide they were too mean?

Hm yes normal family behavior is authoritarian thanks jew

>>15044085
>you want to say that the whole study was a hoax
Correct.

>>15044138
predictive of what?

This book has been widely debunked

>>15044170
And that, my friend, is what we call "cope" (which is really the subject of the whole study).

>>15044184
Generally anti-Semitic and authoritarian ways of looking at the world and the neuroses that frequently occur along with them.

>>15044209
By whom? The retrospective articles I've read about it are Smith 1997 and Brown 2004, and they both think the study was basically successful.

>>15044310
>cope
nope. seethe harder.

>>15044310
>Generally anti-Semitic and authoritarian ways of looking at the world and the neuroses that frequently occur along with them.
but isn't this begging the question? they designed the questionnaire, of course it is going to find fascist tendencies, because they are the ones positing that they are there

>>15044103
I'm afraid that this might be the solution after all

>>15043683
>that’s right goy, if you don’t hate your parents you’re a nazi-in-waiting
read culture of critique and stop being a retard

>>15043683
Why should anything be done about them?

>>15043683
If your gf has authoritarian personality you can have her spank your ass before going to bed

>>15044389
To prevent a plausible future holocaust or the rise of a new nazi germany?

>>15044376
I really don't have a counterargument for that, loving someone just because blood is absurd yet we do it.

>>15045055
As if it's just blood...
Go lustfully worship your mysterious and dark primitives on reddit.

>>15044557
So you want a genocide to prevent a genocide?
Kinda based

Draft them into the military where their personality is a good organizational fit so that they can defend the freedoms of those without such a personality.

>>15045202
While keeping mass surveillance on them and having explosives ready for the moment they show any signs of revolt.
...Amazing idea.

>>15044138
You don't change fundamental character traits with "education" . You need conditioning from birth to achieve that.

>>15045055
It's called kin selection. It's not absurd but a well established and understood phenomenon.

>>15045287
I will create a system between "Fowarders" and "Gamons", the gamons would be the workers kept away from civilized society and used for the physical works like building or being part of the army that would be sacrified in case of armed conflict

>The book was part of a "Studies in Prejudice" series sponsored by the American Jewish Committee's Department of Scientific Research.

That sounds like SJWism decades before its time. By the way i had been told Adorno didn't fit the "cultural Marxist" stereotype ascribed by right wingers to the Frankfurt school. Looks like it's not really the case.

>>15045355
you could read him and find out for yourself

>>15045318
>kin selection

Yeah if you're a Jew

>>15045322
But who would be the persons with the adequately authoritarian personality to run such an authoritarian system?

>>15044085
calling criticism of people nothing but resentment is such a lame rhetorical tactic. Why not just address what is being said

>>15045381
I will create them. Raise them since birth to trick them into believing they are free thinking

>>15044138
>And to answer OP's question, I think the only answer is always education. Unfortunately, this would require people with a head on their shoulders and a heart in their breasts to already be in charge of national education
And supposedly I'm the one with the authoritarian personality here.

>>15045055
>loving someone just because blood is absurd yet we do it.
Naive rationalist discovers he's being made of flesh: episode 1.

>>15044162
kek

>>15043683
>a supposedly marxist thinker tells you that being suspicious of your government is unhealthy

Uhh...

>>15043683

Always took this to be the most embarrassing and out of character thing Adorno did, since I normally respect Adorno. Psychopathologizing fascism is such a bitch move, and it plays right into the hands of the Fordist apparatus and the era of "management." I always wonder whether Adorno just needed money or a position in the US or what the hell was going on there.

This kind of thing can be fine in small doses but the last 70 years of fascism research has been recapitulating the same thesis. Basically, liberal democracies on the British and French models are good, deal with it, and if you don't deal with it, there must be something wrong with you, so if I'm a liberal democratic intellectual living in a liberal democratic society that rewards and promotes me for being liberal democratic, I'm going to write psychopathologizing treatises about how if you're not liberal democratic you are probably a lame loser who never got laid, which analysis then perpetuates the managerial apparatus that employs me and thus our shared ideology, so that a few years later someone can write the same book and perpetuate the process all over again.

At some point when discussing the subject of X with an opponent who firmly believes in X, you have to stop going "Ever thought that you only believe in X because you're a loser? Huh? Huh? Ever thought that? Huh? Ever thought about that, that you don't really think X, you just think you think X because you're lame and bad?" At some point you have to address the actual fucking ideas.

>>15044085
>incels and anti-Semites
Opinion discarded for holding stereotypical reddit-tier assumptions about "this website". Lurk more.

>>15047057
>implying a dorno argues in good faith
shiggy diggy

>>15047057
But how is he wrong? Right wingers seem to be legit insane given they have being lost every argument since...always and yet they exist.
>>15047349

>>15045365
They are afraid of possibly having their minds changed, anon. Classic authoritarian trait.

>>15045580
It may feel a bit played-out, but that doesn't mean it's not accurate. Of course incels and "SJW"s both have something to say regarding why they suffer under capitalism, but their understanding is necessarily partial.

>>15046473
Well, it's just a pipe dream, because there is of course no reliable way to determine who has a head on their shoulders and a heart in their breast. My point is that the spiritual degradation wrought by capitalism (of which the authoritarian personality is a result) probably has an introspective rather than an economic solution at the end of the day.

>>15043683
death by firing squad, of course

>>15047057
I agree that Adorno was being very optimistic about how the research would be taken. But you might be interested in von Dirke's "Neoliberalism's Reengineering of the Authoritarian Personality," which came out a couple years ago, for an argument that the all-consuming competitive mindset continues to breed the personalities Adorno discussed.

In particular, she highlights the "manipulative" authoritarian, which is trait-by-trait almost exactly what people here call a "bugman." I can try to find the passage in TAP if you want

>>15047314
I've been here since 2010 faggot. Obviously /lit/ is not one person, but reactionary politics have been a tumorous growth here since 2016

>>15044085
What about black liberals?

>>15047881
>It may feel a bit played-out, but that doesn't mean it's not accurate.
it is avoiding responding to what they actually say. You can criticize anybody for they are, nobody is beyond fault. It is just serves to avoid discussing the actual content of their speech

This book has been debunked for years and psychoanalysists aknowledge this. Only pseuds cite this trash.

>>15047929
Here is an exercise for you. Try to apply to Jewish supremacists the criticism you are happy to level at white supremacists. Since it's obviously absurd(no Jewish group could ever be as evil as the worst white group, there are laws of reality preventing that) it's just a fun exercise for you to see how it's wrong.

Doesnt the educational system basically have to be a authotarian structure?

>>15047057
that would require for actual ideas to be actual ideas tho

>>15047931
Well, statistically, they tend to be less caught up in the extremities of idpol, and their demands for a minority-friendly society are, I would venture, less motivated by a sense of guilt and alienated pity than are those of modern white liberals.

>>15047938
But what if I arrive at the diagnosis of resentment by thinking carefully about the content of their speech?

>>15047957
I'm not sure I understand your point. I don't believe there's an organized white supremacist conspiracy in contemporary America or something.

>>15047985
dont bother trying to explain to Communists that authority is an essential element of every single human(and even animal) society. They figure it out themselves whenever they manage to have a revolution and immediately instate an authoritarian dictatorship

>>15047995
>essential
k

>>15047993
>But what if I arrive at the diagnosis of resentment by thinking carefully about the content of their speech?
Go ahead and do so. But you had better also have a response to the content of their speech on its own merits. You should understand that you also can be criticized for who you are rather than what you say, you undoubtedly have major flaws.

>>15048003
are you aware of a single society of over 10k people in which there wasn't an authority of some sort? how about 100k?

but of course it might not be essential. it might be a coincidence that every single society so far has been that way

>>15047995
I see them whip out the "justified hierarchy" spook a lot. Basically just selective boot licking

>>15047985
Judt wait until they figure out that language itself is an authoritative structure.

>>15048014
>conflating authority with power and its deployment
sigh. read up on anarchist societies. i don't care to explain it to you

>>15048051
Just*

>>15048052
Any anarchist societies over 10k people? 100k? How did they function exactly?

Also it would be very interesting to hear about how authority could exist without power or vice versa. But of course you don't care to explain it, it's not that you are utterly incapable of doing so, it's that you don't care to. A shame.

>>15043683
Imagine being such an insecure little faggot you want to devise a system to root out and eliminate Chads.
>But muh new Nazi Germany
Fucking retards. This has nothing to do with the rise of a new fascist party. This book was written by insecure kikes like you who fear men with a strong will and have no fear in actualizing that will. You have no will and can never make your desires reality because you're a coward. Unironically kill yourself.

>>15043683
The same thing that should be done with any social scientist. They should be pointed and laughed at.

What ya gonna do? Force me to take the test to find out if I have an authortarian personality?

I'll go ahead and paste the passage. Just imagine that, wherever Adorno says "manipulative type," he means "bugman."

6. THE "MANIPULATIVE" TYPE

This syndrome, potentially the most dangerous one, is defined by stereotypy as an extreme. rigid notions become ends rather than means and the whole world is divided into empty, schematic, administrative fields. There is an almost complete lack of object cathexis and of emotional ties. If the "Crank" syndrome had something paranoid about it, the "Manipulative" one has something schizophrenic. However, the break between internal and external world, in this case, does not result in anything like ordinary "introversion," but rather the contrary: a kind of compulsive overrealism which treats everything and everyone as an object to be handled, manipulated, seized by the subject's own theoretical and practical patterns. The technical aspects of life, and things qua "tools" are fraught with libido. The emphasis is on "doing things," with far-reaching indifference towards the content of what is going to be done The pattern is found in numerous business people and also, in increasing numbers, among members of the rising managerial and technological class who maintain, in the process of production, a function between the old type ownership and the workers' aristocracy. Many fascist-political anti-Semites in Germany showed this syndrome: Himmler may be symbolic of them. Their sober intelligence, together with their almost complete absence of any affection makes them perhaps the most merciless of all. Their organizational way of looking at things predisposes them to totalitarian solutions. Their goal is the construction of gas chambers rather than the pogrom. They do not even have to hate the Jews; they "cope" with them by administrative measures without any personal contacts with the victims. Anti-Semitism is reified, an export article: it must "function." Their cynicism is almost complete: "The Jewish question will be solved strictly legally" is the way they talk about the cold pogrom. The Jews are provocative to them in so far as supposed Jewish individualism is a challenge to their stereotypy, and because they feel in the Jews a neurotic overemphasis on the very same kind of human relationships which they are lacking themselves. The ingroup-outgroup relationship becomes the principle according to which the whole world is abstractly organized. Naturally, this syndrome can be found in this country only in a rudimentary state. (cont.)

>>15047768
>But how is he wrong? Right wingers seem to be legit insane given they have being lost every argument since...always and yet they exist.
Try to present an argument for the idea that every human population on earth has the exact same genetic potential for cognitive development. This is a sacred belief of progressives, so it should be easy to explain why this is obviously the case, why there is way more reason to think this than reason to think that there might be differences among populations.

It already makes you look like a fucking retard to even frame the question that way, because that belief is not for you an empirical question but a religious doctrine.

>>15048107

As to the psychological etiology of this type, our material sets us certain limitations. However, it should be borne in mind that compulsiveness is the psychological equivalent of what we call, in terms of social theory, reification. The compulsive features of the boy chosen as an example for the "Manipulative" type, together with his sadism, can hardly be overlooked--he comes close to the classical Freudian conception of the "anal" character and is in this regard reminiscent of the "Authoritarian" syndrome. But he is differentiated from the latter by the simultaneity of extreme narcissism and a certain emptiness and shallowness. This, however, involves a contradiction only if looked at superficially, since whatever we call a person's emotional and intellectual richness is due to the intensity of his object cathexes. Notable in our case is an interest in sex almost amounting to preoccupation, going with backwardness as far as actual experience is concerned. One pictures a very inhibited boy, worried about masturbation, collecting insects while the other boys played baseball. There must have been early and deep emotional traumata, probably on a pregenital level. M108

is going to be an insect toxicologist and work for a large organization like Standard Oil or a university, presumably not in private business. He first started in chemistry in college but about the third term began to wonder if that was what he really wanted. He was interested in entomology in high school, and while hashing in a sorority he met a fellow worker in entomology, and in talking about the possibility of combining entomology and chemistry, this man said he thought it would be a very good field to investigate a little further. He found out insect toxicology had everything that combined his interests, wasn't overcrowded, and that he could make a good living there, and that there wasn't likely to be a surplus as there would be in chemistry or engineering.

Taken in isolation, the professional choice of this subject may appear accidental, but when viewed in the context of the whole interview, it assumes a certain significance. It has been pointed out by L˙ Lowenthal (75) that fascist orators often compare their "enemies" to "vermin." The interest of this boy in entomology may be due to his regarding the insects, which are both "repulsive" and weak, as ideal objects for his manipulation.

The manipulative aspect of his professional choice is stressed by himself:

Asked what he expects to get from the job other than the economic side, he said that he hopes to have a hand in organizing the whole field, that is, in organizing the knowledge. There is no textbook, the information is scattered, and he hopes to make a contribution in organizing the material. His emphasis on "doing things" goes so far that he even appreciates people whom he otherwise hates, though in a terminology with destructive overtones. (cont.)

>>15048118
Here belongs his statement about Roosevelt, which was quoted in part in Chapter XVII:

Asked about the good points of Roosevelt, he said, "Well, the first term he was in office he whipped the U˙ S˙ into shape. Some people argue he only carried out Hoover's ideas, but actually he did a good job which was badly needed ... he usurped power that was necessary to do something--he took a lot more power than a lot." ... Asked whether his policies were good or bad, subject replied, "Well, at any rate, he was doing something." His political concepts are defined by the friend-foe relationship, in exactly the same way as the Nazi theoretician Karl Schmitt defined the nature of politics. His lust for organization, concomitant with an obsession with the domination of nature, seems boundless:

"There will always be wars. (Is there any way of preventing wars?) No, it's not common goals but common enemies that make friends. Perhaps if they could discover other planets and some way of getting there, spread out that way, we could prevent wars for a time, but eventually there'd be wars again." The truly totalitarian and destructive implications of his dichotomous way of thinking become manifest in his statement about the Negroes:

(What can we do about the Negroes?) "Nothing can be done. There are two factions. I'm not in favor of interbreeding because this would produce an inferior race. The Negroes haven't reached the point of development of Caucasians, artificially living and absorbing from the races." He would approve of segregation, but that's not possible. Not unless you are willing to use Hitler's methods. There are only two ways of handling this problem--Hitler's methods or race mixture. Race mixture is the only answer and is already taking place, according to what he has read, but he's against it. It wouldn't do the race any good.

This logic allows only for one conclusion: that the Negroes should be killed. At the same time, his way of looking at the prospective objects of manipulation is completely unemotional and detached: although his anti-Semitism is marked he doesn't even claim that you can

"tell the Jews by their appearance, they're just like other people, all kinds." His administrative and pathologically detached outlook is again evidenced by his statement on intermarriage:

He said that if he were an American businessman in Germany or England he'd probably marry first an American woman if he could, then he might marry a German or an English woman. However, "swarthy" people like Greeks or Jews have no chance in this experimental setup. It is true, he has nothing against his Spanish brother-in-law, but expresses his approval by the phrase that "you couldn't tell him from a white person."

He takes a positive attitude towards the church for manipulative purposes: (cont.)

>>15048124

"Well, people want church; there is a purpose, it sets standards for some people, but for other people, it is not necessary. A general sense of social duty would do the same thing." His own metaphysical views are naturalistic, with a strong nihilistic coloring;

Asked about his own beliefs he said he's a mechanistic--there is no supernatural entity, not concerned with us as humans; it goes back to a law of physics. Humans and life are just an accident--but an inevitable accident. And then he tried to explain that--that there was some matter accrued when the earth was started and it was almost by accident that life started and it just kept on. As to his emotional structure: His mother is "just Mom"; he seems to have some respect for his father and father's opinions, but there was no real attachment any place. He said as a child he had a lot of friends, but on further questioning, he couldn't mention any closer friends. He did a lot of reading as a child. Didn't have many fights--couldn't remember them--didn't have any more than any other boys. He has no real close friends now. His closest friends were when he was in the 10th or 11th grade, and he still keeps track of some of them, he said. (How important are friends?) "Well, they're especially important in younger years, and in your older years you don't enjoy life as much without them. I don't expect my friends to help me get along." They're not needed so much at present age, but he supposed that at the interviewer's age it would be very important to have friends. Finally it should be mentioned that the only moral quality that plays a considerable role in the thinking of this subject is loyalty, perhaps as a compensation for his own lack of affection. By loyality he probably means complete and unconditional identification of a person with the group to which he happens to belong. He is expected to surrender completely to his "unit" and to give up all individual particularities for the sake of the "whole." M108 objects to Jewish refugees not having been "loyal to Germany."

>>15048107
Does Adorno have any criticism of Jewish pathology? He sure has a lot about whites. Are whites just strangely the only group about which such criticisms could be made?

>>15048061
it's just that there is no point. we could do the theater routine where you demand proof of a society with arbitrary parameters that ostensibly legitimizes my claims and i could try to explain that you are arguing in bad faith and confusing an expression of power with power itself. it's tiresome and it leads nowhere. you'd rather presume my incapacity to explain than suspect your inability to understand. that's fine. if you legitimately cared you would research for yourself. you don't. it is indeed a shame

>>15048148
Actually he does discuss syndromes found, not in Jews per se, but in people with low scores for authoritarianism etc. He also does acknowledge that there are differences in the degree to which different people's "Jew complex" may be based in the reality of Jewish behavior.

>>15047993
>Well, statistically,
Thank you for the laugh

>>15048157
Jews can't score high in authoritarianism? Are they genetically distinct or something?

Are there no specific ways in which Jews are pathological the same way there are ways in which White Christians are? What would account for such a disparity?

>>15048166
If you think Adorno is trying to pathologize "White Christianity," you have misunderstood the book. Actually a lot of pastors etc. are featureed in the sections on low scorers. And at least one of the high scorers is a self-hating Jew

>>15048153
Is there an anarchist society you see as a success or not?

Of course it is very convenient for you to claim that there is no purpose in responding to me because any such discussion would be in bad faith on my part. That way you don't ever have to defend anything you say. If I used your terminology I might almost think this were something like bad faith itself, but instead of cowardly attacks on my suspicions of your motives Im just going to respond to what you're actually saying, and what you're actually saying is complete fucking garbage utterly bereft of value.

>>15048135
>>15048124
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>>15048107
This is a pretty accurate description of your average chan poster lol

>>15048185
>a self-hating Jew
I see. But not for example a Jew who hates White Christians?

>>15048187
yeah. the zapatistas and the fejuve, mainly. i frankly doubt you do. that's alright

>>15048214
Were either of those groups actually anarchist or were they in fact ruled by leaders and enforced miltiarily? How did the structure work? Was everything decided by a communal vote or were certain people given authority to make decisions and how was that decided?

How large were these groups, did they run industrial states?

>>15043683
This book is debunked.

>>15048185
>If you think Adorno is trying to pathologize "White Christianity," you have misunderstood the book
Correct, he’s trying to pathologize mentally healthy white people. Their Christianness is mostly incidental

>>15043683
It's overactive HPA axis. I was far more prone to dogmatism, revulsion and indeed fantastical thinking when I got really into fasting, exercise, meditation and other forms of self-denial. Returned to normal once I started eating, sleeping and having fun like a normal person.

>>15048223
>yes for both cases. the autonomous zapatista municipalities reject involvment with the zapatista army and the fejuve is made up of neighborhood councils.
>participative forms of government where the entire community makes decisions. in case of the fejuve, it's through a representative council. neither have established leaders
>nah. they don't run industrial states. they're too small and under threat of the Mexican and Bolivian government for that but manage to cover all needs

do you want my sources?

>>15048347
no im happy you have an example of a society you like, you should move there

>>15043683
LMAO props to OP if this is bait since the irony is genius

Give them positions of power in order to create a functional society.

>>15048367
ah. the good ol' you should move there. definitely a shining example of good faith arguing.

>>15047768
>my opponent is dangerous and insane

is this peak liberal democracy?

>>15048381
Why would you not move to the only place on earth you think is not oppressive? Millions move to America because they think it is better than their homeland

>>15043683
They must be eliminated, of course. Intolerance is the only thing we shouldn't tolerate under any circumstances. People getting in the way of Progress should either integrate or face the consequences of their intolerance.

>>15048500
I agree and the most important element of Progress is eugenics, anyone who opposes it has to be silenced and eradicated.

>>15048102
Yes. But you would be unaware of it and then you would be send to the labour fields

>>15048624
Based, imagine a whole field of authoritarian personality laborers, likely mostly nonwhite.

>>15043683
kek
“The paradox of tolerance” is the doublethink hot air that liberals run on

>>15043683
Nothing. In the current capitalist paradigm, such people attain positions of authority since they are naturals at it, and they suit everybody just fine being in those positions.

Kill them.

No joke. There can be no peace between sheep and wolves, so let's kill the wolves before they kill us.

There's really no excuse for why we don't already deploy widespread mandatory psychological testing to identify psychopaths and sociopaths so that we can expunge them.

>>15048729
it might have racially disparate impact :)

>>15048737
Good.

>>15048729
Great idea
>>15048665
Jokes on you. I'm non white and I'm not a race obsessed SJW. So I'm fine with this. The guards should be of the same race as the gamons, I don't wanna be acussed of racism

>>15048729
Sheep not only shit themselves at the mere thought of danger but they're also the reason why there's a shortage of toilet paper in the world today. Fucking retards NEED authorities to tell them to stop being retards. But yes, let's kill off all the authorities, that'll solve the world's problems.

>>15049016
The Authoritarian personality aren't just wolves.
They're the real sheep, psychotic rams waiting to hit whatever are ordered to do.
They're subhumans. Vestiges of a uncivilized era.
The covid crisis would be a lot less severe if they didn't exist

>>15049045
>They're the real sheep, psychotic rams waiting to hit whatever are ordered to do.
do you know which group this most accurately describes? it's a group of people who tote themselves as edgy and violent but somehow have roughly the same opinion as Harvard, and theyre basically allowed to operate by the police

>>15049045
>MY SHEEP GOOD
>YOUR SHEEP BAD

Is this the essence of communist thinking?

>>15049045
Authoritarians are necessary. They might not be perfect, but nobody is, and they tend to have their shit together better during a crisis.

>The covid crisis would be a lot less severe if they didn't exist
No, it would be FAR WORSE. It's the fact that there's too few of them around now that this problem is as big as it is. Many doctors are cowardly, lazy shits these days and some are outright refusing to treat people so that they don't get sick. This thing traveled all over the world because everyone has a constant free-for-all and has to go on vacation every quarter of the year like a self-indulgent prick. Tons of idiot kids go through college every year racking up debts without a clue as to what they really want to do. It's all a result of the LACK of authoritarians in the world today, not an abundance of them.

I always knew my antisemitism and love for my parents were caused by deep psychological issues, but it took a jew to make me fully realize it. I am now a based lefty

>>15049139
that guy in the middle is like a manlet latino Ryan Gosling

>>15049062
Did they kill millions based on race and planned to depopulate a whole continent?
Leftists are inherently superior morally.

Imagine reading a book on human nature written by a Jew. It would be like reading a book on what it's like to have two legs written by a dog.

>>15049172
Seek help.

>>15049172
Imagine being afraid to read a book because you think it will mind control you.

>>15049157
Yeah they did in fact, the Jewish bolsheviks killed millions of White Christian Slavs out of racial hatred

You are a volunteer cop. That's why you can openly espouse your beliefs without retribution. The system supports you and you help them seek out dissidents on your own time to ruin their lives with the power of the state and their totalitarian control of media, academia, public opinion in general.

You are a volunteer cop, absolutely terrified of even thinking anything that could get you in trouble, larping as being a brave rebel with moral opinions. You could never even evaluate what is moral or immoral because you can't even form an honest picture of reality. You are too cowardly to even be evil, you are just an agitated insect following power structures. What makes you amusing is that you have somehow fallen into the particular path in your society made for those who think they are rebelling while doing nothing but upholding the system.

You can try to argue about this all you want but you know in your very subconscious that if you wear a hammer and sickle pin nothing will happen to you but if you wear a swastika? yeah.

>>15049208
>Yeah they did in fact, the Jewish bolsheviks killed millions of White Christian Slavs out of racial hatred
Source? No need to hit me with an infographic; I'm a smart guy. Lead me directly to the article(s) by erudite historians that support this conclusion.

>>15049187
Nah I just know what will be in it. Some Jew using circular logic and strawmans to prove his point, and using big fancy words in order to trick dumb goys into thinking that what he is saying is more deep and profound than it actually is.

>>15049223
What books by Jewish authors have you read that support this induction of yours?

>>15043716
>do they can

>>15049221
>erudite historians
Do you mean people credentialed by the institutions allowed to exist by the states you ostensibly oppose because they are part of a repressive capitalist society?

>>15049278
No, I'm not interested in credentials, although they are not a discredit either. The fact is that working at a university gives you a plethora of resources for research that are otherwise almost inevitably unavailable, though a university affiliation also implies certain resitrctions. I mean "erudite" in the classical sense: someone earnest and articulate, with a command of a field earned over long hours and a cultivated ability to synthesize the knowledge gained therein.

Also, don't lump me in with your idea of what a communist is. I'm not necessarily interested in an overthrow of the state; I feel I don't know enough about economics yet.

>>15043683
They're the only people who ever actually do anything, so I guess you should ask them.

Authoritarian is just a euphemism for "effective."

>>15043716
Yes. They just exterminate their own people through complacency, degeneracy and sterility instead.

Make them submit to the right authority. Bullying doesn't end- its subjects change.

>lefties would want to kill you because you might get a bad score on some quack test

>>15049278
>>15049335
Still waiting. I assume that someone has done the hard legwork to demonstrate that millions of deaths under the Soviet government can be attributed directly to Jewish racial hatred.

>>15049474
already answered in this thread: >>15044376

>>15048729
>There's really no excuse for why we don't already deploy widespread mandatory psychological testing to identify psychopaths and sociopaths so that we can expunge them.
Reported for antisemitism

>>15049474
200 years together
the Jewish revolutionary spirit

>>15049534
Culture of Critique is a shit book. Nietzsche already talked about the Jews' "group evolutionary strategy" in multiple of his books, and at a much deeper level. And the thing is, his takeaway wasn't the same as that deranged Catholic idiot MacDonald: he praised the Jews for it rather than condemned them for it. Guys like MacDonald only divide and create resentment, they don't unite or strengthen. I'm not defending the anti-authoritarian idiocy itt either, by the way.

>>15049598
How does he expand the argument to three volumes if, as you say, his analysis is shallower than Nietzsche's in the slim Genealogy of Morals? Does he just bloat it out with Catholic apologetics?

>>15049578
It seems that E. Michael Jones is another Catholic apologist. That doesn't make him a nonentity necessarily, but I'm just noticing that the people you're citing so far seem to have very deep vested interests.

>>15049598
>he praised the Jews for it rather than condemned them for it.
so what? that supposed to be a good thing?

>>15049629
Oh and as for Solzhenitsyn, my first impressions, given his oversaturated media presence, were that he's been a much more blatant tool of liberal self-congratulatory politics than your average Jewish academic. But maybe I'll look more deeply into him now.

>>15049630
Why wouldn't you praise them ("them" being, by the way, more the ancient Israelites than modern Jews) for it? Abrahamic monotheism has obviously been a powerful system for understanding the world, and Nietzsche is, among other things, trying to reintroduce a more objective stance towards the power of others into the value systems of his time.

>>15049598
>neetch
lol.

>>15049629
Spreading a shallow puddle out even wider doesn't make it any less shallow. And GoM is not the only book where he talks about it, he also does in The Antichrist, his unpublished notes, and Twilight of the Idols iirc on that last one. His analysis is shallower than Nietzsche's because it isn't a philosophical one; it doesn't get as deeply spiritual as his and it's less self-aware than his (Nietzsche does not see will to power as a bad thing, or as an exclusive thing for any specific group).

>>15049630
It means he wasn't jaded by his petty morality.

>>15048500
>>15048527
This. Every right wing trait would be erased from the genepool

>>15049707
Lol MacDonald does seem like a strange case, being utterly committed both to evopsych and to Catholicism. (Also can't help but notice how the animal experiments with which he started his intellectual career resemble those of the aspiring entomologist Adorno talks about)

>>15049725
Now now, no need to falseflag. Instead, show me where you got your ideas

>if someone resists being controlled by our system, there must be something wrong with them, probably incel or micropenis, i dunno

A+ book

would use as coaster again

>>15049707
>it doesn't get as deeply spiritual as his
that’s a good thing, retard

>>15049784
It's good that his analysis is dumber and less historically accurate?

>>15049797
It’s smarter and more historically accurate because it’s not bogged down by a bunch of spiritual “yeah Jews want to destroy and enslave all gentiles but actually that’s pretty based if you think about it” prattle

>>15049662
>trying to reintroduce a more objective stance towards the power of others into the value systems of his time.
lol are you serious

>>15049830
>Catholic shill
>historically accurate assessment on Jews
>more accurate than the most cataclysmic philosopher since Plato
lol

>>15049839
Perfectly. My understanding of Nietzsche is that he wishes for individuals to cultivate the "pathos of distance" that, in his view, predominated in the noble classes of the Greco-Roman world. That pathos entails, among other things, a disinterest in the powers and possessions of others, i.e. not assuming that their possessors are evil or in need of retribution. Freedom from the aggravation that an interest in others' power produces is what leads to the aristocratic autonomy that he so admired. Or were taking issue with my inelegant wording?

>>15049223
>Some Jew using circular logic and strawmans to prove his point, and using big fancy words in order to trick dumb goys into thinking that what he is saying is more deep and profound than it actually is.

You have the right of it. It's all Talmudic nonsense in the end, in which they try to prove that up is down, black is white, and killing gentile children is ethical (because there's a chance they might kill you first!). By the time you successfully unravel their spaghetti argument and try to get them to put concrete definitions to their vague terminology (good luck), they've already packed up their magic act and moved on to sucker another audience. Peter Singer is a great example of this bullshit.

In any case, this book winds up being a great example of Jewish paranoiac pathology. Adorno and his cohorts project their own ethnic paranoia and hatefulness onto society at large, seeing pogroms and Nazis in the face of every goy baby. Writing a book about it is just an exercise in erotic fiction.

>>15049917
>Of what is great one must either be silent or speak with greatness. With greatness — that means cynically and with innocence.
From Nietzsche. Well put, btw.

>>15049894
Yes.

In conclusion: authoritarian racists are BTFO most effectively by Nietzschean humanism and aristocratic values.

>>15049763
I am really frustrated at right wingers and every attempt to understand them just makes me angrier

>>15050217
this is an impressively retarded sentence, the amount of nonsense you have to have imbibed and the degree of convoluted intertwined delusions necessary to produce something like this is rare

to imagine that authoritarians and racists are in any way contradicted by Nietzsche or aristocracy is bad enough, but you have affixed to Nietzsche the term 'humanism', to Nietzsche who hates humanity so much he had to invent a fictional category of person who could improve upon it and to whom all conventional morality is nothing but the strong asserting their power or the weak resenting them. I salute you tbqh you have a career in academia should you choose it

>>15050310
Why?

After intermittently spending years in this /pol/-ized climate, I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of what makes reactionaries tick, if that's what you mean by "right-wingers." I can't really speak for something like evangelical fundamentalists though; their forms of thoughts have always struck me as being simply subhuman, but that's because my experience of them is heavily mediated. Reactionary politics is the inarticulate cry of a human being in the face of a world with which he is completely out of feeling. As such they get some things right, but only "reactively," that is, not as a result of reflection.

>>15050349
What you call nonsense and convoluted intertwined delusions, I call an attempt to pay attention to the nuances of a challenging thought. For you, concepts seem to be impermeable blocks between which there can be no interplay; for me they are something a little different.

I realize that Nietzsche would balk at the label of "humanist," but in effect I think that the Overman can be brought about only by human means. Nietzsche, as far as I can tell, prescribes no definite code of conduct, let alone political ideology, but there are a few core tenets that he thinks can get you closer to the vantage point from which a higher form of humanity can then be constructed. One of these core tenets is the pathos of distance. The vantage point that he desires is that point at which the "will to truth" (one of the kinds of will to power) is directed against itself--an idea that has its origin in the Kantian Vernunft, or critical reasoning capacity. That capacity is most certainly human, as things stand.

How much Nietzsche have you read?

>>15050437
That. We need progress because progress is good and they dare to stand against it. Is despicable, that class of people need to be removed from society if they refuse to stop participating on politics

>>15050465
What does progress mean to you? and why do they need to be removed for it to happen?

>>15050437
> Whom do I hate most heartily among the rabbles of today? The rabble of Socialists, the apostles to the Chandala, who undermine the workingman's instincts, his pleasure, his feeling of contentment with his petty existence who make him envious and teach him revenge. Wrong never lies in unequal rights; it lies in the assertion of "equal" rights. What is bad ? But I have already answered: all that proceeds from weakness, from envy, from revenge . The anarchist and the Christian have the same ancestry.

How do you reconcile such a statement with any anti-authoritarian/anti-reactionary outlook? This could practically be lifted from the speech of Andrei Bolkonsky in War and Peace defending the slavery of his serfs.

>>15050497
Because they still vote. Imagine if Trump and Biden voters didn't exist and people only voted for Bernie? Or if is Bolsonaro voters simply did not exist. A world without Hitler's supporters.
Reactionary scum are the cause of all evils.

>>15050536
you would invent new reactionaries eternally were you to murder all those you presently hate, because your utopia would never arrive. You hate the nature of man

>>15050506
His use of the word "bad" there suggests that he's describing a certain moral system, not describing his own most dearly held beliefs. In any case, notice that he is talking about the anarchists' and socialists' own experience. He does not call for something like a police state to sort them out. He does not say that we need to return to an old form of society. So the passage is neither authoritarian nor reactionary. He is simply describing why he dislikes them. Perhaps he fears that their system of values will simply lead immediately to the institution of another tyranny once they tear down what is in place (in which case he would be prescient).

Nietzsche is certainly aristocratic and certainly elitist. Personally, I would like all people to ultimately be led to think of themselves as the elite, although I acknowledge that Nietzsche doesn't share that latter concern.

>>15050536
>cause of all evils
Rethink this, chief

>>15050536
I exactly with you except imagine if Jews, liberals and leftists didn't exist

>>15050566
Life would be boring then.

>>15050562
>I would like all people to ultimately be led to think of themselves as the elite,
This would be delusion. The word elite implies an underclass.

Nietzsche does not care about tyranny. He doesn't see it as wrong, he could not be more clear about this, you can't impute to him a fear of tyranny. He thinks socialists are ridiculous precisely because they are weak and resentful of the present tyranny.

How can you possibly interpret 'Who do I hate' as anything but his own beliefs?

>>15050592
It would be more worthwhile and exiting than anything humans have experienced ever before. Humanities shackles would literally be lifted and we would enter a utopian-like phase of history -except it would be for real this time, not some Jew made utopia.

>>15050592
England at the time of Shakespeare was great without liberals, leftists, or Jews.

>>15048500
You just eliminated yourself, Authoritarian

>>15050606
>pretty much all artists and daredevils dead
>only "muh sex before marriage only" conservatards remain
>life is now more worthwhile and exciting
Yeah okay.

>>15050617
Shakespeare/Bacon would be lumped in with liberals at the time and executed.

>>15050723
after marriage*

>>15050723
There is nothing liberal about Shakespeare

>>15050217
>Nietzschean humanism
does anyone on this board read? at all?

>>15050723
>NOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BE CONSERVATIVE I NEED TO EXTERMINATE ALL OF YOU SO I CAN COOOOOOOM
leftoids are beyond parody.

>>15050739
If he was Bacon as the rumors say, that's not true at all. Bacon was pretty involved in the separation of Church and State and interested in reformations towards tolerance.

If he wasn't, his works were still flamboyant and risque enough to make him centrist, which to lots of tradcons just means another kind of liberal.

>>15050775
There is no evidence that he was Bacon, they don't even write the same way. Being flamboyant and risque has precisely nothing to do with opposing monarchy and supporting liberal forms of government.

>>15050759
I didn't say anything about exterminating conservatives. Sex is nice though, you should have it sometime.

>>15050788
The fact he wrote what he did at all suggests he was not in the tradcon camp. Supporting liberal forms of government also meant something very different then compared to now. Wanting a separation of church and state was a liberal viewpoint, for example.

>>15050810
quote literally anything of Shakespeare's that implies he opposes monarchy

>>15050795
Thanks for the tip but your mom already took care of that ;)

>>15050821
If he wasn't centrist or didn't have liberal subjects and persons with which to write and weave plays from, what drama do you think his plays would even have? They rely on the mixture of different types, ulterior motives of differing ranks and positions in the world, which he as an artist must have acknowledged and, by inclusion of such things, saw value in. We do not know enough to say exactly what his views on all matters of politics were and there are other ways to be considered liberal or at any rate centrist besides opposing monarchy.

>>15050832
Hi dad, get off of 4channel.

>>15048135
Thanks anon interesting read. But I don’t see how someone would rationalize portraying the subject in a negative light. The writing clearly states that a field, in this case essentially pesticides and insect control, is disorganized and disjointed. But organizing such a field would be wholly beneficial. Crop management isn’t something to be taken lightly.

>>15050549
I hate life? No, the reactionaries hate life. I am trying to create a world to life to thrive.
>>15050566
Those groups are mostly innocent or a reaction to the existance of conservatives and reactionaries, get rid of the latter and the issue is solved from the roots

>>15050871
>hey rely on the mixture of different types, ulterior motives of differing ranks and positions in the world, which he as an artist must have acknowledged and, by inclusion of such things, saw value in.
none of which even vaguely implies a rejection of monarchy

>>15049172
LOL. This post best post

>>15051005
>I am trying to create a world to life to thrive.
In other words, taking a strap-on in your ass and living in a favela.

>>15051005
>Jews
>leftists
>innocent

>>15051005
>No, the reactionaries hate life. I am trying to create a world to life to thrive.

>I am trying

No you are simply carrying out the programmed command of the elites because you are easily malleable.
It is not you trying, it is they.

>>15050606
Boundless retardation

>>15051029
You can support the English monarchy and other powers simultaneously.

>if people me no like didnt exist den world be best

Holy shit just kys and save the trouble

>>15047881
>capitalism caused the authoritarian personality
But how far back are you willing to walk that? The 13 colonies? Roman-Brittania? Greece? Egypt? Mesopotamia?

>>15051237
As far back as it supports his indignation.

>>15043683
(1) nothing
(2) genetic engineering of the entire species

>>15044085
I wouldnt say it was a hoax, but it was a flimsy and extremely suggestive questionnaire that Adorno himself probably didnt even believe him and only used to get a green card to get into the USA.
If you look at the so-called "authoritarian" traits, then almost everything and everyone is authoritarian to a certain degree, and the authors on that essay are certainly amongst them.

>>15048003
https://youtu.be/_NdE9CjkvTY

>>15051701
it's like some kind of surreal parody

>>15051270
>genetic engineering of the entire species
I am considering this choice
>>15051132
Why?

>>15048027
>justified
Hierarchy is inevitable, regardless of whether or not it's justified. You are never going to prevent the emergence of natural hierarchies without a pathological, authoritarian super-structure. That isn't a spook if we can't draw upon a single historical example of true egalitarianism being sustained for more than 10 seconds.

>>15048107
This is essentially an overly verbose way of calling himmler an autist. If I were working on any kind of engineering project, this is the kind of person I would want on my team. I work in optimization research and systematizing speds like this are absolutely everywhere, but they're worth their weight in gold.

>>15051853
>This is essentially an overly verbose way of calling himmler an autist
That was the intention.
Also, how I can do social engineering?

>>15043709
>open thread about authoritarianism
>first post asserts the rhinoceros is the peacock's true form.
>not even bait, except in the more primordial sense of an Ibsen troll.
>>15043726
Such spam is just one of the goddamn endless techniques there are for setting up and making false equivalences and comparisons, but what they all have in common the motive of gilding the objectively worst turds among us. There is no rhetorical practice as inadvertenly revealing of deeply malign intent.

>>15052254
Why do people believe it's bait? I legitimately want to exterminate authoritarian traits from society

>>15052301
Yawn.

>>15052301
You go first

>>15043709
Genocide is perfectly natural.

>>15052834
Meant for >>15043716

>>15052717
I would be happy with that if I knew that it genuinely could destroy the other authoritarian minds

Your Overall F Score is: 3.30
You are disciplined but tolerant; a true American.

Scores for Personality Variables:Conventionalism: 3.25
Authoritarian Submission: 2.71
Authoritarian Aggression: 3.00
Anti-intraception: 3.75
Superstition and Stereotypy: 2.67
Power and "Toughness": 3.88
Destructiveness and Cynicism: 3.50
Projectivity: 4.40
Sex: 3.33

>>15052857
You would be a good guard. If a bigger con tries to scape, you should just evacuate and blew up the base.

>>15050597
>The word elite implies an underclass
Of course it does--for now. Perhaps an uncritical appraisal of "historic precedent" is the real delusion here. I have always been interested in traces of the extraordinary and almost anomalous sort of man, or rather that rare aspect of humanity that can't help but reach beyond its historic circumstances: that is almost my entire reason for studying old books. The fact is that we now seem to have the productive capacity to give all of humanity the luxury and freedom once enjoyed exclusively by nobles: only their minds are not ready. I'm ready to be proven wrong on that point though.

And I agree that Nietzsche does not "fear" tyranny: at the same time, I think that he does not ultimately condone that aspect of master morality that necessitated the senseless infliction of cruelty. After all, one of his main criticisms of Christianity is that it only served to stupify its adherents further by the extraordinary spectacle of its cruelties.

Also, reading the section of Antichrist from which that's taken, it seems that he's proceeding from the concept of right (no rights without inequality of rights), which it might be fruitful to read against his criticism of right in the Genealogy. But I confess I haven't read Antichrist yet, so I ordered it, and will perhaps make an OP regarding it in three or four days if you choose to stick around.

>>15051237
I would trace a good deal of it to the American and French revolutions (read Tocqueville), and the rest of it inheres in prehistory.

>>15052852
What’s your metric of an authoritarian mind? What do you do once they’re gone? Who becomes the next problem to remove?

>>15053860
> What’s your metric of an authoritarian mind?
Willingness to violence based on cultural bias. See, racists, sexists, reactionaries.
>Who becomes the next problem to remove?
We will see, but I don't think that it would be many issues without natural auths to cause them

>>15053912
Define cultural as you mean it. Racial? Nation-state? County? Religion? Job?Familial? Something else?

Do you mean to remove all authoritarians who seek power as well as those who submit to it? How far does that chain go? When do you stop?

>>15053947
>Racial? Nation-state? County? Religion? Job?Familial?
All of them except job and familiar, the latter might be added to the Bad List depended if it proves to be too dangerous and prone to cause bigotry.
> Do you mean to remove all authoritarians who seek power as well as those who submit to it? How far does that chain go? When do you stop?
Both, but especially those who submit to it. Without a powerbase, all potential dominant personalities will starve.
> When do you stop
When humanity finally has shown to be in the path for a brillianth future of arts and science.

Op is trying to be a anime villain or what?

>>15048118
>Some autist that like bugs
>Adorno calls him a manipulative psychopath
I rest my case.

>>15048107
>>15048118
>>15048124
>>15048135
>this guy likes insects
>some insects are vermin
>fascist compare their enemies to vermin
>therefore, his interest in insects is due to fascist tendencies
>and he doesn't like racemixing so me must naturally support genocide

This is the biggest load of shit I've read since Guns, Germs and Steel. It's like he wrote up a conclusion, met his patient and then desperately tried to make up justifications for why his patient's interview supports his conclusion. Also lmaoing at actually referencing Freuds sexual theories

>>15048135
>By loyality he probably means complete and unconditional identification of a person with the group to which he happens to belong. He is expected to surrender completely to his "unit" and to give up all individual particularities for the sake of the "whole."
This is some outstanding projection for someone who can't stop feeling persecuted as Jew.

Psychoanalysis was the worst thing to happen to philosophy. There are few words I despise more than 'pathological', and if nothing else that term is the one thing that connects people like Zizek and Jordan Peterson. That in itself should be argument enough here, but just watch the clip below, which this thread reminded me of - whatever you think about fascism itself, this argument is proof of the mental gymnastics that Freudo-Marxist psychonanalysis can cause in an otherwise fairly intelligent individual. He flat out says here 'even if the fascists are empirically correct, they're still wrong because pathology'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkSV4xyKkds

For any liberal/libertarian/anarchist etc. type anons that still don't get it, someone could just as easily argue that your ideology itself is just a consequence of some pathology, like hatred of your father figure or whatever.

Of course I'd be lying if i said I didn't completely disagree with them, but I can at least respect and tolerate a liberal's position if they argue for it through logical/historical/practical etc. reasoning. But as soon as you use psychoanalytical counter-arguments of pathology and flat out mental illness and insanity, you completely dehumanize your opponent and literally take away any and every agency they have to reason with you. It's just the tactic of a soccer moms or Orwellian state. And though petty internet arguments are one thing, in the real world, in parliaments or courts of law, it's a frightening and disgusting tactic.
This is part of what separated the plain authoritarian fascists from the totalitarian communists - although of course the fascists just singled out one race to blame, the communists (just like SJW types today) had 'struggle sessions' and stasi tactics to psychologically manipulate, torture, and generally dehumanize their *inner* enemies, into obeying. This sentiment is almost unthinkable in a metaphorical fascist society - it would've been just ridiculous for the nazis to hold 'struggle sessions' for some powerful jews, to torture them until they confessed their plot again the Germans. Not even they were that brutal.
tl;dr just watch this video, this guy explains it better than I ever could

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VxYjVrZFKE

>>15048321
cope

>>15049045
>The covid crisis would be a lot less severe if they didn't exist
hahahahahhahahaahahhahahahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

>>15043683
Put them in an internment camp, along with all the INFPs and Sagitarriuses

>>15044310
Why is antisemtism and authoritarianism used hand in hand? Aren't the Zionists also authoritarian when they try to force Palestinians out of the Gaza Strip?

>>15047929
>reactionary politics
What an absolutely loaded term. All "progress" is not necessarily beneficial. Reaction against errors can be both revolutionary & a form of progress in itself.

>>15048153
>arbitrary parameters
No, it's a central piece of your ideology. Nothing "arbitrary" about it. Look, I'm more of an AnPrim than anything, and part of the reason for that is I want to avoid too much vertical hierarchy (lack of participation in the power process etc). So I agree with you in that at least. But that's simply impossible in a large industrial society in my opinion. Don't cop out of your position - it's OK to not exist in an echo chamber & need to defend you beliefs.

>>15054912
Well said anon. Immediately attributing "sickness" to political opponents is far more dehumanising than even more dehumanising in its own way than just viewing them as competition that might well be allies under other circumstances.

>>15043683
They need to have as little control as possible, and it would be good if they studied zen.

>>15054912
>For any liberal/libertarian/anarchist etc. type anons that still don't get it, someone could just as easily argue that your ideology itself is just a consequence of some pathology, like hatred of your father figure or whatever.

What's the general consensus on fascist psychoanalysis? Do psychoanalysts think they're enamoured with their father figure or something?

>>15049923
>Peter Singer is a great example of this bullshit.

Wut? He, of all people, most clearly beats the shit out of the kinds of moral delusions most people have. There is nothing dishonest in his arguments. His only fault is that he still claims to champion the system of 'preference utilitarianism', which has every bit as many holes in it as the ideas he successfully tears down and reveals to be incoherent.

>>15055185
Uh oh, sounds like someone’s a secret fascist. Off to the gas chambers you go

I always find it amusing that the Communist Party completely flipped out as soon as someone of their own (like Wilhelm Reich, for example) wanted to use the scalpel of psychoanalysis on them.
Like im extremely curious if there have ever been psychanalytical studies on the pathology of those on the far left, rather than the far right.

>>15055137
But INFPs made for good GFs.
>>15056757
What did he say?

>>15056757
Communist are the biggest hypocrites

>>15055185
Obviously that is also authoritarian, you doofus, but the book was written in 1950. Actually I was just reading an article in al-Jazeera which sort of applies Adornoan ideas to contemporary Israeli ideology. Obviously it was partisan, but not without merit.

>>15056555
You and your trips can fuck off, nigger

>>15054912
>Psychoanalysis was the worst thing to happen to philosophy.
Psychoanalysis isn't even part of philosophy. It's a retarded psychology theory taken as a philosophy by a personality cult of "intellectuals" arranged around some guy with a Messiah complex and tin skin.

>>15043683
As embarrassing as that book is, Adorno is legit one of the funniest authors out there and I highly recommend him. He's the cliché of the studious, thoroughly behaved, oversensitive mommy's boy come to life, complaining about how listening to jazz is fascism, drinking whiskey is fascism, closing doors loudly is fascism, and the kids who roasted him in school are fascists. He's the ultimate dweeb, and there's something wonderfully lovable about it.

>>15057530
Only tangentially related, but it recently struck me how similar the stereotypical, neurotic, paranoid Jew (I mean, many Jews agree to that stereotype being true) and your run-of-the-mill 4chan fascist is. Both see Fascists/Jews in every single thing, completely consumed by the fear of the unknown and the uncontrollable when it comes to their views on basically every topic under the sun, but especially politics.

>>15057589
Jews & /pol/acks are highly neurotic people who don't understand why their behavior is always going to result in societal disgust & rejection, and whose only response is postulating all-encompassing conspiracies against them by hostile agitators or society-wide personality types.

>>15057589
What if Fascists are just jews in themselves

>>15057722
this but excluding jews

>>15057752
Jews have been doing it far longer than /pol/ has been around, anon.

>>15057729
Do they hate each other so much because they see themselves in the other?

>>15057752
This, but including Jews.

Macdonald's work has been refuted.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5942340/

>>15057783
Yeah actually, I mean honestly they need each other to exist. One needs prey to feed on and the other likes being prey.

>>15057820
>Nathan Cofnas

>>15057839
Even Macdonald would not claim that someone simply bearing a Jewish surname marks them as intellectually illegitimate.

>>15048052
You're posting style seems familiar. Are you butterfly with your tripcode turned off?

>>15057867
Are you a paranoid retard?

This book just confirmed everything I hate about communists and jews

>>15056757
What he said? He just seemed like your typical sex good lefty

>>15047929
>I've been here since 2010 faggot
I bet you can't even triforce, lurk more newfag.

>>15057876
Crypto butterflies

wont read the book, wont read the thread. Authoritarian personalities sound based and I probably have one. Debating and listening to others is for chumps. Just read a ton of philosophy and sacred texts, establish your position, and refine it over time based on your own reading. Do not argue with anyone, just assert the facts and then go straight to ad hominem if anyone gives you bullshit. If anyone mentions science beat them to death with a cane

As I've read, the only reasonable conclusion is to send every right wing mind and erradicate them. The only possible way to save humanity from itself. RWAs aren't wrong, they're literally subhumans hellbent on dragging everyone with them. This is a war for the survival of the human race.

>>15043683
this book, and its implications, are the biggest reasons why most normalfags have zero intellectual understanding of what fascism is and why a sincere conversation can never be had. it was propaganda written by degenerates, who were contracted by the OSS to create propaganda. this isn't even a marxist-leninist approach to discussing fascism. people who shill this are doing the work of the establishment.

>>15058309
sounds like you’re afraid of being proven wrong desu

Ragan once said “if you’re explaining, you’re losing”, and he was right but for horrible reasons. The right is not fundamentally based on technical ideals, but instead broad, vague concepts of power and superiority. There isn’t room for schisms to form since none of their opinions are terribly complex and most of them are just formulated in opposition to the left. When you have a party dominated by complicated, technical solutions to political problems, even slight discrepancies could pan out to have much larger ramifications. This is why I think the right is more compelling to a populist audience. They maintain the illusion of solidarity and strength by basically saying whatever the hell they want because they know that their voting base is just going to treat it like politics is a competitive sport and vote for them regardless of what happens, even if they elect an incompetent reality TV Star. They deserve nothing but utter subjugation or extermination for the sake of human inteligence and virtue.

>>15057722
this but excluding /pol/

>>15058413
Marxists can play the intellectual martyr card all they want, but what have they done to the status quo in the last ~55 years besides either becoming unwittingly absorbed or becoming willing foot soldiers for it? The vast majority of people who are dissatisfied with the current state of things often gravitate towards something like marxism, only to be repulsed by how neutered and "cucked" the whole movement has become nowadays.

Keep in mind that I'm not fond of the /pol/ crowd either but we would be lying to ourselves if we said that the rise of the far-right is not an understandable phenomenon give the political landscape.

And besides, it's not as if marxism hasn't been proven to be quite effective when it comes to populist policies. I come from an ex-communist state and I can assure you that it's just as effective as fascism when it comes to riling up the rabble.

>>15058446
*towards something like marxism at first

>>15058446
That is why we need to get rid of every right wing person, dead dog ends the rabbies.

>>15058463
I agree to left alive those who accept to stop participating in politics tho

>>15057820
Cofnas work has been refuted

>>15058463
This except for jews

>>15057039
In 1950 there was also clearly authoritarianism among Zionists as they forced their way into Palestinian territory in 1948. The fact that the book conflates Anti-semitism and authoritarianism shows some clear bias.

>>15058520
Where?

>>15058536
Zionists are included too BTW. It would be a absolute rewriting of the human society

>>15049172
Too be fair the Bible was written by Jews, and it excellently depicts the human condition.

>>15058446
>the rise of the far-right

Is an illusion. What most of us describe as far-right is just a general authoritarianism and morality that used to be the norm 20-30 years ago. Liberalism has just become so deep-seated that those who remain stand out more. Just look at the people who call Trump far-right when 30 years the Reagan administration was literally peddling crack into black neighborhoods so they could have an excuse to arrest them. Could you imagine anything like that happening today?

>>15058707
That is why authoritarian and reactionary tendencies need to be purged as soon as possible

>>15058623
right, get them and the rest of the jews and then we’d be good to go

>>15058745
>purge the authoritarians

That sounds a little authoritarian.

>>15058644
>Jews
pre-rabbinical

>>15059097
Well, see, it's Democratic Authoritarianism. Not to be confused with Authoritarianism.

>>15059146
>Democratic

I guess that's cool.

>>15059146
>>15059207
This but unironically, the purges are obvious a temporal stage, when there's no authoritarians left, then everyone would just get along.

>>15059480
>the purges are obvious a temporal stage
Right, just like the Cheka was only temporary and totally didnt turn into a rotting dictatorship

>>15059505
Nah, I wouldn't kill a innocent anarchist. An Caps might get the bullets though.
Be creative, think in how the world would be if all people with potential for bigotry and violence was gone. It would be the start of a new era of prosperity that we thought impossible

>>15058520
>>15058566
I am still interested in seeing Cofnas' analysis of MacDonald's evidence and argument refuted.

>>15059542
>Nah, I wouldn't kill a innocent anarchist
Anon, you're never going to kill anyone. All this "X gets the bullet, Y gets the wall" fantasizing is just that; a fantasy. IRL the closest you'll get to doing anything illegal will be throwing a candy wrapper on the street, and the scariest thing you'll ever do is answering the door.
If you ever need to go up against actual neo-nazi gangs (not online /pol/tards) you'd get murdered. Commies these days just look like pic related.

One needs terror in order to prevent the terror. Every right wing authoritarian thought need to be erradicated inmediately because it's mere existence is the prelude for violent reaction that always would manage to be worse that the most heinous crimes we could imagine.
We kill three rapists, they will murder three hundreds of innocents in revenge.
We burn a town, they will start burning cities.
Rigth wingers need to be utterly subjugated in order to ensure the existance of a civilizated society

>>15059587
>We kill three rapists, they will murder three hundreds of innocents in revenge.
You have a caricature of right wingers in your mind that's completely separated from reality. You're a fucking schizo.

>>15059590
Do you have any proof against it? Franco's terror managed to made the crimes of the Republicans like a footnote. Lenin's Red Terror was nothing compared to the massive pogroms and purges of the White Army.

>>15059580
Bottom left gets more pussy than you though (and I guarantee you it's a "lesbian")

You're probably not wrong that people in actual neo-Nazi organizations spend more time working out on average than people who hold far-left views, but the latter are also far more numerous.

>>15059601
Bottom left could get all the pussy he wanted and he'd still be a malformed loser who's gonna end up with a noose around his neck. Point is that if push comes to shove, these guys will just get fucking annihilated by any hillbilly with a rifle, let alone a neo-nazi with a history of murder.
>but the latter are also far more numerous.
I wouldnt say far more numerous, and numbers dont compensate for anything when the vast majority of your "troops" will get a nervous breakdown just from being told the wrong pronouns. And it's not just even neo-nazis, even regular alt-rightists or proudboy republicans have no trouble punching the average antifa commie into submission.

>>15059621
>that fencing reflex when he falls
Beautiful.

>>15059636
People really need to bring helmets if theyre gonna brawl. So many fucking kids underestimate the permanent damage you can get from hitting the concrete.

>>15059146
Ah, so mob violence. Rule by r*ddit-tier pseudo-morality as defined by updoots & recently consumed mass media. You're a pathetic individual if you're not trolling.

>>15059700
Tell me that again when we truly become comparable to neo nazis

>>15059706
>we
Who is "We" exactly? I'm not even a "neo-Nazi", and the fact that you think they're even a serious concern is what makes you far more dangerous than any pack of frog-posting /pol/tards that have lifted a few weights & read Evola. Your lack of ability to enact violent retribution has nothing to do with any moral choice and derives purely from your lack of power to carry out your intent. Ie, you're a pack of violent savages held back only by your own unhealthy lifestyles & schizoid tendencies.

>OP's teenage rebellion fantasy thread is still going
yikes

>>15059746
Yeah, why is this thread still up? Mods should delete /leftypol/ bait threads just like they delete /pol/ and /r9k/ bait threads.

>>15059758
>Mods should delete /leftypol/ bait threads just like they delete /pol/ and /r9k/ bait threads.
So, do nothing?

>>15049172
holy based

>>15059587
id love to see the 5"4 manlet behind this post. Libs are always pathetic IRL. "Im not a lib, Im an edgy authoritarian communist" Dont care, you are a lib.
Anything other than monarchy is wrong.

>>15059864
exactly