/lit/ - Literature

>>15035347
https://youtu.be/i4YzjfCHAqo

>>15035347
Dude my pizza is like an hour late and you're posting on here instead? Bro not cool

I’m severely allergic to pineapple, do you guys offer refunds? I found a bit on my pie and I’m hoping I can exchange it for a different two-topping.

Threadly reminder that
1- Almost all scholars and almost all actual Hindus agree that Shankara's non-dualism (called advaita) is "crypto-buddhism," meaning it's a ripoff of Mahayana Buddhism. Not just the philosophy of Mahayana either, but the institutions and culture as well. Pic related.

2- No matter how much guenonfag (pizza be upon him) denies this, or claims he is not buttmad about it, he is very buttmad about it. All advaitins are. If you want to make an advaitin buttmad, remind everyone of his crypto-buddhism. They hate it.

3- Not only was advaita just ripoff buddhism, its modern forms were heavily westernized and revived by the most embarrassing form of western occultism (Blavatsky's Theosophy), which guenonfag (pizza be upon him) also hates and is buttmad about:

4- Guenon's principal follower, Frithjof Schuon, started a cringey sex cult where he fucked his cult members' wives and fondled their prepubescent daughters, usually in front of other children. The current unofficial head of the perennialist movement, Nasr, has never repudiated Schuon (who was his teacher), and continues to praise him. Perennialists hate being reminded of this as well. Guenonfag used to post lots of Schuon and Nasr until people began talking about this, and now he claims to dislike Schuon.

If you dislike the Guenon spam, spread the word that advaita is crypto-buddhism. Guenonfag gets ridiculously mad every time he sees it.

>>15035446
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism_and_Theosophy

>Goodrick-Clarke wrote that "educated Indians" were particularly impressed by the Theosophists' defense of their ancient religion and philosophy in the context of the growing self-consciousness of the people, directed against the "values and beliefs of the European colonial powers." Prof. Stuckrad noted the wave of solidarity which covered the Theosophists in India had powerful "political implications." He wrote, citing in Cranston's book, that, according to Prof. Radhakrishnan, the philosopher and President of India, the Theosophists "rendered great service" by defending the Hindu "values and ideas"; the "influence of the Theosophical Movement on general Indian society is incalculable."[57]

>Bevir wrote that in India Theosophy "became an integral part of a wider movement of neo-Hinduism", which gave Indian nationalists a "legitimating ideology, a new-found confidence, and experience of organisation." He stated Blavatsky, like Dayananda Sarasvati, Swami Vivekananda, and Sri Aurobindo, "eulogised the Hindu tradition", however simultaneously calling forth to deliverance from the vestiges of the past. The Theosophical advocacy of Hinduism contributed to an "idealisation of a golden age in Indian history." The Theosophists viewed traditional Indian society as the bearer of an "ideal religion and ethic."[26]

>In Prof. Olav Hammer's opinion, Blavatsky, trying to ascribe the origin of the "perennial wisdom" to the Indians, united "two of the dominant Orientalist discourses" of hers era.

>On October 11th 1991, Frithjof Schuon, the leader of an international religious order, was indicted on the felony charge of child molestation. committed under "cult pressure and influence". The indictment, passed down by a five member Grand Jury, headed by Lucy Cherbas, stated:
>"that Frithjof Schuon... did perform fondling or touching [on three girls] 15 years of age, 14 years of age and 13 years of age, respectively, with the intent to arouse or satisfy sexual desires of Frithjof Schuon, in violation of I.C. 35-42 43. [And that] said persons were compelled to submit to touching by force or imminent threat of force, to wit: by undue cult influences and cult pressures, in violation of 35-42-4-8."

>Jesus Garcia Varela, a high ranking inner circle member of the cult, had been investigated by the Louisville Police in 1991 for nude photos of his 2 young daughters. He escaped prosecution of this episode by claiming that it was a common practice in Spain to visually record a girl's puberty.

>Michael Fitzgerald's son was present at the Gatherings. The boy, then perhaps 14, had been made to watch his mother and her sister, Jennifer Casey, dance nude for Schuon at one of the Gatherings.

>>15035374
Sorry dude, due to our non-dualist policy on refunds you can only have a refund if you can show that you cannot split your awareness into the loving and the hating of the pineapple. Unfortunately your allergy means you are having a physical/materialist reaction that is not consistent with non-dualism, so I regret to inform you that we cannot give you your money back.

Thanks and pizza be upon him,

The Guenon Bar and Grill

>>15035501
That’s okay...thanks for explaining. Extra cheese be upon him. I’ll just re-order, brother...

>>15035446
>Frithjof Schuon, started a cringey sex cult where he fucked his cult members' wives and fondled their prepubescent daughters, usually in front of other children.
sounds like something a french existentialist would do

>It thus follows that pizza is a subversion of focaccia, panis focacius, which started to include the choleric, hot and dry, tomato on top. The original panis focacius recipe, however, appears to have been lost with the Etruscan tradition and had no influence on the greek πλακοῦς.

Guenon's Letters to Evola, XVII

>>15035347
Based!

http://enlightenmenttalk.blogspot.com/2013/03/osho-quotes-on-non-duality_10.html?m=1

>>15035856
osho was a false prophet. an agent of the world.
>materialism spiritualism
>"new man"
guy was 100% satanic

is osho poster also krishnamurti poster or are they bitter enemies?

>pizza
So based...

>>15035446
Haha, peace be upon you seething hylic peabrain.
>>15035865
Even weeds produce oxygen.
>>15035347
What practices do fellow advaitins use? Mantra? Which ones?

>>15036359
>>15037080
baste!

Brothers... I broke my Ramadan (pbut) fast today and ate a pizza to commemorate (pbuh)...

Holy based...

>>15035347
Hey! It's the guy who works at the local pizza shop! Can I get my delivery without cum plastered all over my cheese this time please? Thank you

>>15035347
Message to all Guénon posters: https://vocaroo.com/8kCHt4ELkj0

>>15037778
B*ddhafags get what B*ddhafags deserve

>>15035347
holy based...

>>15038219
So based......

>>15035347
What's the term for topcis related to dualism and materialism in philosophy? consciousness?

What's this new pizza meme and what does it have to do with Guenon?

>>15038310
Guenon poster is a pizza delivery guy

Brothers this is so based I am contemplating......

based

>>15035872
UG pissed off Osho

>http://ug-k.blogspot.com/2007/04/encounter-if-you-are-searching-for.html?m=1

Former follower of Osho, a famous movie director from India, meets UG, leaves Osho, this continued to happen, Osho was very upset and started berating UG.

>The front office of the ashram had warned the sannyasi against seeing U.G. After they met U.G., many of Rajneesh's very close devotees had quit the ashram. I remember in those days, Rajneesh gave four talks against U.G., calling him all sorts of names. 'U.G., you have not said a word in response to the repeated attacks Rajneesh has been making on you of late. Why? I have also noticed that you don't say much against any particular guru,' I asked.

>His reply was unusual: Gurus play a social role. So do prostitutes. Unfortunately, in society, what the gurus are offering is not only socially acceptable but also considered the be-all and end-all of our existence. The others are not. You choose what suits you best...

>>15035856
Why even reference Rajneesh? He's a bum conman.

>>15036925
>What practices do fellow advaitins use?
The Jesus prayer.
The Lord's prayer.
Pslams.
And open talking to God.

There's nothing really to do or practice in the advaita until you attach it to a hindu school, which inevitably feels like LARPing and obfuscating, or like for Guenon did and attach it to Islam, which would be false because it was a fallen religion.

Your best bet is to take Christ seriously.

>>15039440
Christ was a wise teacher who realized the way, but his teachings were not understood and his thought almost immediately corrupted.

@15039481
>his thought almost immediately corrupted
How do you know that he's a wise teacher if there is no and was no (since the words were immediately corrupted) initiatic chain teaching his words?

>>15039513
I said almost immediately for a reason. We only have recordings of what he (probably) said, which we must critically either accept are accurate or deny, in which case we have no concrete idea about Jesus. I believe in most the gospels and I would argue the Gospel of Thomas is accurate as well.
I deny that any one group can claim an authority to interpret the texts based on lineage, as we can clearly chart the development of their interpretations, and they do not come from Christ and they do not make sense.

>>15039481
Yaaah man... Jesus was just a wide dude... He realized Brahman and Advaita and told folks to love gays...... The Old Testament stuff was the evil god and Jesus came to rebuke him and spread Advaita to the Jews........ nevermind the prophecies pointing to him being hte Old Testament God breh.... Those were corrupted.......

>>15039481
>Christ was a wise teacher who realized the way
Far greater than that.
His teaching is the highest teaching. Maybe in time he will open your eyes to it. It's not something we do by ourselves.

"No longer do I call you servants, for a servant does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because everything I have learned from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me, but I chose you. And I appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will remain—so that whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you." John 15:15

All dualists should read Sean Carroll's Something Deeply Hidden and Eliezer Yudkowsky's Generalized Anti-Zombie Principle.

The first to understand why despite any metaphysics arguments dualism is highly improbable and the second one to understand how dualism is inherently meaningless.

>>15039531
>I deny that any one group can claim an authority to interpret the texts based on lineage
Cringe and profane hylic.

>>15039551
>(((Eliezer))) (((Yudkowsky's)))
>(((Sean Carroll's)))
>despite any metaphysics
>highly improbable
OH NO NO NO NO

>>15038583
Stop contemplating and start acting on my large pepperoni slice. You aren't getting paid to contemplate, wagie.

>>15039559
uh oh sweetie, you are only convincing me from argumentation and theological soundness.
sorry if your paper thin worldview can't withstand scrutiny

@15039531
>I believe in most the gospels
You don't. The four true gospels suffice to entirely refute your fake religion. Even John alone would suffice.

>>15039569
>argumentation
Cringe. Contemplation > action.
>profane """scrutiny"""
Cringe. Profane hylic.

>>15039531
>they do not make sense
Sure, if you throw out the entirety of the scriptures which were actually written and revealed precisely to make sense of them. You're just a larping atheistic scholar who can't accept that Christ was against faggotry.

>>15039562
Well that's a good argument if I've ever seen one.

What's with the whole pizza meme? I don't know shit about Guénon or /lit/'s history with him, so I'm a little behind.

>>15039589
Ah, yes they all make sense which is why there is only one Christian denomination and there has always every been one Christian denomination that has only had a single view.
>uuuh u must b SJW boogeyman!
Either stop always referencing idpol bullshit, or stop crossposting here.

>>15039605
>"""idpol"""
First time I've heard this term on /lit/. You must be new around here.

>>15039605
>NOOOO WHY CAN THERE BE MULTIPLE FRICKIN FALSE INTERPRETATIONS OF A SINGLE TRUTH! NOOOO HOW COULD JESUS KILL THE HECKIN' GAYS IN SODOM WHATS WRONG WITH JUST LOVING THE SAME GENDER!?

>>15039603
Guenonfag (pizza be upon him) taught his students to meditate on a pizza and remove their ignorance by noticing the Ultimate Oneness of the cheese and pepperoni......

>>15039603
>>15039578
>>15039633
>>15039562
>>15039559

holy..... based....

>>15039603
People found parts of Guenon's (pbuh) diary where said some weird stuff about his love of pizza.

>>15039605
>>uuuh u must b SJW boogeyman!
>Either stop always referencing idpol bullshit, or stop crossposting here.
Holy cringe.... Guénon (pbuh) refuted your hylic modernist critiques of traditions....
>>15039644
>>15039666
Based and checked....

>>15039603
Guenonfag is almost definitely a psychologically unstable pizza delivery guy, the anti-guenon autist did some serious recon. So it has been unanimously decided that the best counter-offensive against guenonposting is pizzaposting.

>>15039666
source? that sounds like it could be believable, but at the same time it could easily be bait

so based....!!!

>>15039731
>>15039704
>>15039702
>>15039670
>>15039666
>>15039644
>>15039633
>>15039603
Holy.. Based...

For all those who want to know where the pizza meme came from:

https://dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=29743

Where were you when non dualism was killed in this board?

>>15039829
Eating a large deep-dish with pepperoni

>>15039779
someone shoop guenon's face onto this please

>>15039820
But this is just an innocent "Buddhist" talking about himself being a pizzaguy; how did it go from that to saying Guenon himself was a pizza delivery guy and forming the "pizza be upon him" line?

>>15040079
You'll have to ask the anti-guenon autist who dug all that shit up (though I wouldn't be surprised if he's banned right now). Either its just a coincidence that the dharmawheel poster and guenonfag have very similar interests, or anti-guenon autist is so autistic he's able to see through the code like he's in the matrix. Either way, I don't really give a shit, pizzaposting is funny and arguably less retarded than the hypocritical idolatry and proselytism of guenonposting

I can't believe Pizza took down Guenon. I can't take it seriously anymore, /lit/ has won the battle.

>>15035446
At this point you’re just as bad as guenonfag

Brothers... I just contemplated upon the slice of pizza I found outside my apartment door.... An anonymous brother left it for me as a gift.... I am social distancing with it right now........ PBUH .... ...

>>15040118
Guenongenius here, I already provided sufficient proof in that thread that pizza guy wasn't me, you can go to that thread in the archives and see for yourself, all these pizza posts are just helping to bump Guenon (pbuh) threads and saving us Guenonbros from having to write 'based', I welcome them. Expect to see the same amount of Guenon (pbuh) threads if not more for the foreseeable future.

>>15040202
>sufficient proof
No you didn't. There is no "sufficient proof" that wouldn't involve doxing yourself. And besides, there is a very clear difference between the actual Geunonfag and yourself. You are a fall guy working on damage control.

>>15040202
So based .....,...............
Brother I am contemplating.......

this is fucking hilarious even though I have 0 context. I probably won't get any (but little) either

>>15040232
>there is a very clear difference
OH NO NO NO NO

>>15040202
Yeah I'm gonna have to order some fries with that

>>15040202
you are nothing but a miserable larper

So is gueno based or cringe
What's the final verdict?

Bros... Is pizza delivery the best job for contemplating? I can't join a temple yet because I still want some pleasures in life even though I've been studying Advaita for 15 years now.

>>15040327
based

>dude all is one can u feel it
>have u grown in AWARENESS

>i see no distinction between the self and the pizza self for both I and the pizza are. Thus the pizza and I can only be one

>>15040341
No, because you will constantly be moving around, which is a distraction from contemplation

>>15040113
>>15040079
The Dharmawheel guy is more of an Advaita/Trika guy who dabbled with Buddhism when he was younger insofar as it was close to Hindu nondualism. This is exactly the story Guenonfag tells about himself. He regularly posts about Kashmir Shaivism, and has for months, and in older posts he openly admitted being a "former Buddhist" and was much friendlier to Buddhism in general, saying that it does have Traditionalism-friendly forms and it's not all nihilism. It's only when Guenonfag started to argue with Buddhists every day on /lit/ that he started downplaying the Buddhism thing.

His proof that it's not him is to say that the other guy is a Shaivism guy, and he's only an Advaita guy. But again, there is ample proof that Guenonfag is into Kashmir Shaivism. Just search it. In the last few days alone he has shilled it and related stuff. Posts that are unmistakably Guenonfag, like long discussions of Chandradhar Sharma (a very old and obscure Advaita evangelism book that probably only he and I have read outside of a handful of Indians in the 1980s) also shill for Kashmir Shaivism and its reconciliation with Advaita.

It's very probably him. For it not to be him, there would have to be someone who matches his posting style and interests in all particulars, posting in the last few days, who also reads Sharma and posts side-by-side screenshots of pages from that book like Guenonfag does, posting "parallel" to Guenonfag regularly yet never really interacting with him directly. Much likelier explanation: it's him.

His counter claim is that he argued against the guy. But in the post he cites, the guy he's claiming to be is calling Sharma "the author" and calling him a retard (Guenonfag loves Sharma), while the other guy is calling Sharma "Sharma" and expressing ambivalence that Sharma thinks Kashmir Shaivism is inferior to Advaita. Again, much. more likely it's simply him.

Doesn't really matter though. For the record there's nothing wrong with being a pizza dude, honest work is honest work and as an ex-con he has limited employment opportunities so it's admirable he's not giving up. I like Injrabodi and even like Guenonfag to an extent. I just thought people might like to know more about the guy (if it's him).

>>15040979
why does he want to larp so much with an eastern belief? it`s like he hops from one to another like a true larper. Wouldn`t surprise me if he started as a pagan. What destiny holds for someone like this? Will he keep larping or will eventually find the truth?

>>15040810
I am crying.... Brother... What low effort job should I do in the meantime to support a future wife? I thought pizza delivery was fine for that... I want some pleasures on the Path but also want to learn Sanskrit and Advaita (pbut).

>>15040979
>But again, there is ample proof that Guenonfag is into Kashmir Shaivism. Just search it. In the last few days alone he has shilled it and related stuff. Posts that are unmistakably Guenonfag, like long discussions of Chandradhar Sharma (a very old and obscure Advaita evangelism book that probably only he and I have read outside of a handful of Indians in the 1980s) also shill for Kashmir Shaivism and its reconciliation with Advaita.
This wrong, I speak positively of all forms of non-dualism, whether Sufi, Advaita, Vishishtadvaita or Kashmir Shaivism, but when schools such as the latter two try to criticize Advaita I am quick to point out the flaws in their reasoning and explain why Advaita is still superior to them, although this is not to deny them the relative value that I agree they have. The Shaivite guy was talking shit about Advaita on /pol/ only a few months ago (as the links which you dug up prove) and telling people to read Kashmir Shaivism instead, which I would never do, as I have been posting positively about Advaita for over a year and typically tell people the exact opposite, namely that I regard Advaita as being the most correct but that other schools are still worth studying too. It makes no sense that I would deviate from my usual pattern and suddenly shit on Advaita.

>>15039540
>His teaching is the highest teaching
Jesus was an avatar that just so happened to be brought into the west. He is no higher than any other bodhisattva.

>>15041170
I don't think he quite shit on Advaita. Like I said though, and like the other dude said above, it's too muddled to decisively prove either way. Who cares?


>>15041123
Not sure. If he is the Injrabodi guy, he seems legit and even admirable. That guy seems kinda crestfallen tho, he has a post about "doing his best" in this life and hoping for future reincarnations to be better.

Whether Guenonfag is Injrabodi or not, the contrast between the two posters/alter-egos is interesting. After so long of Guenonfag making me unwillingly associate eastern philosophy with his heinous samefagging, unfunny forced memes, LARPing, and general creepy evil behavior, Injrabodi's positivity and perseverance made me think positively about it for the first time in ages. It was like a ray of sunshine breaking through a cloud of autism.

As I said in the previous thread, Guenonfag, whether or not you are that guy, become more like that guy. You fucking suck compared to him. You're insulting people who actually care about these things.

>>15041225
>I don't think he quite shit on Advaita.
saying it's not real non-dualism is definitely shitting on it, that's roughly equivalent to saying Islam or Christianity is not real monotheism
>blah blah blah I hate guneonfag REEEEE he is so dumb :^(
okay hylic

Have you supposed monists even read the ashtavakra gita? Get out with your crypto dualist larp.

>>15041238
Oddly enough it's his positivity that makes me think it's not you. Look how good those posts are compared to yours. Can you be more like him either way? You made 5+ Guenon threads today again.

>>15041279
>Oddly enough it's his positivity that makes me think it's not you.
Well, then maybe you should stop spreading that info about him, imagine how embarrassed he must feel, I unironically feel sorry for him. As someone who argues against Advaita he would actually be on your side against me in many debates but you've probably driven him away

>>15041321
Why would "he" be embarrassed? Those are genuinely good posts and he has an admirable story. Nobody is "against" your Advaita interest. I keep telling you I want to talk about these topics, and other people are pleading with you to respond to them about Guenon.

Have you tried posting normally for a week and seeing what happens?

>>15040481
>there is no distinction between eating a pizza whole, and eating it in slices. For how could you truly divide that which has no parts against itself? You cannot split the pizza into the base and the sauce, or the cheese and the toppings; for they are clearly all one. The pizza cutter, therefore, is a modern device indicative of only the most perfidious hylic self-deception, the weapon of choice of that heretic, papa john, who wishes only to lead you astray.

>>15035347
Guenon? Cringe, pretty recent. Read the Vedas

>>15041363
>Why would "he" be embarrassed?
Because now a bunch of people on an anonymous literature forum know that if someone makes a thread promoting Kashmir Shaivism it's more likely than not that the person who made it is a pizza delivery guy who accidentally killed his Grandma

>I keep telling you I want to talk about these topics, and other people are pleading with you to respond to them about Guenon.
There are threads about non-dualism and Advaita all the time with many different posters in them all discussing it from various angles but instead of taking those opportunities to discuss it with me or anyone else all you do is spam your anti-Advaita pasta images, so I can't take that claim of yours seriously.

>>15041457
Nothing wrong with working. He's clearly made it in life despite being thrown some bullshit. That's exactly why it's so sad if it's you. I hope "he" continues to post either way.

I do post the cryptobuddhism thing admittedly, but never as a gotcha. And like I told you when you had a meltdown about it recently, I am not spamming it, just replying normally to people who use bad faith arguments to dismiss it. It's important to know the scholarship when studying these things seriously, although we both agree that secular scholarship has serious limits. The Shaivist (whether it's you or not) has the right approach, where truth of any system or its history is ultimately verified by insight (otherwise what's the point of the knowledge at all? wrangling over dogmatics means nothing unless the dogmatics are actually pointing somewhere beyond themselves), but you do have to do both.

Also, in the absence of hard citations, you tend to repost the same things and have the same arguments again and again with any neophyte who dares to disagree with ca. 1970s neo-vedantism. So it's helpful to be able to contextualize it and move on immediately. These threads were languishing mostly because you are only interested in EPIC BTFOing buddhists with your own copypasta, as in the Robinson Affair.

Have I tricked you into having an actual discussion yet?

>>15041552
If the only thing you ever post about Advaita is about what you believe to be the Buddhist connections, then you are not actually interested in talking about it. You never have anything else to say about it.

>>15041591
>what you believe to be the Buddhist connections

This is a little example of how you argue disingenuously. It's not some fantasy I've cooked up, it's the completely standard opinion of anybody who studies it, outside of the most doctrinaire evangelists. You don't have to agree with the standard opinion simply because it's standard, but you do have to acknowledge you are going against the grain.

That's why it's helpful to box you in a little bit with citations. If the image weren't there as an immediate reference for what I just said (that it's the mainstream scholarly opinion), you would simply deny this is the case, and a hundred posts would be spent sloooowly backing you into a corner on the issue. This has happened so many times that people started to collate sources for ease of reference.

Now, because the sources are all available, it's easy enough to say "dude you're arguing in bad faith." You can say "LMAO BTFO COPE" to this of course, but any onlooker at least won't be deceived.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm absolutely open to talking about these things and in fact we have talked about them in the past. Before you went batshit crazy, I had reasonably polite discussions with you. So did several other people, including some who clearly had postgraduate educations in related fields. Regardless of what's gone on in the past, are you fundamentally willing to effortpost and occasionally agree to disagree? I am if you are.

>>15041657
>This is a little example of how you argue disingenuously.
No I'm not, talking about Advaita would actually be talking about it's ideas, teachings, their implications, the applications of them, the content of their writings etc. If all you ever post about is how you think it comes from Buddhism then to someone who actually wants to talk about the ideas of Advaita themselves you have nothing to offer and you are not actually interesting in talking about Advaita aside from that belief about it that you have.

>>15041681
That's not true at all. I'm interested in the inner content of both philosophies. You and I admittedly have divergent interests in that I see dogmatics as propaedeutic at best, casuistry at worst. I'm much closer to the Shaivist (aka you in more relaxed moments?) in assuming that fixating on any one tradition is mistaking the finger for the moon it's pointing at. Also I think strict "logicistic" nondualism is a clumsy way of referring to the actual truth, which I imagine even you'd agree with, and the Shaivist seemingly agrees with.

One of the most effective ways of breaking down fixation on dogma for its own sake is to understand its origins and development. Taking a strictly internal approach to a tradition is dangerous. You might disagree with this, but even if you do, you still run into the problem of how you can talk to people outside your tradition. Even if they take a strictly internal approach, it will be to something else, and all you can do is have those awful Robinson arguments you tried to force for a year that go nowhere.

There needs to be some kind of interfaith dialog, just without abandoning the idea of ultimate truth. The best way to do that is to acknowledge the contingency of religions. The only thing holding you back from this might be some Hindu nationalism maybe, which is hypersensitive about acknowledging Buddhism as an influence or even acknowledging that Hinduism internally evolved. If you take the stance that the Vedas were revealed truth and already contained Advaita as necessary truth, you're closing yourself off to discussion just as much as the Muslim or Christian who says "sorry but revelation is revelation, you're a heretic!" Likewise if Advaita is the truth simply because it's the supreme logical truth, then why deny periods of development in knowledge of this truth, or periods of relative forgetfulness of it?

>>15040979
pizza guy seems to have some integrity. i mean, he spent years in prison, has seen some bad stuff, meditated for 1 year... would someone like this devolve into spamming, making collages and calling himself guenongenius? hard to believe

>>15041763
>you're a heathen
fixed

Also for the sake of discussion, we probably diverge on the issue of initiation, which I think is dangerous and leads to a proliferation of walled-off cults with no way of determining which are legitimate. Not to say it's always bad, just that it's bad to exclusively fixate on it.

>>15041779
True, I really wonder what the exact layout of Guenonfriends is.

>>15041763
If you were interested in the inner content of the philosophies, then you would have posted about those things, but you never do so despite being given ample opportunity to do so. Me disagreeing with you and my position that Advaita is not influenced by Buddhism is not an obstacle to you talking about Advaita, because there are a bunch of other people who post about Hinduism and Advaita with very different posting styles than mine, but you never talk about Advaita with them either except in relation to Buddhism. Stop being dishonest

>>15041812
I have posted, you just never notice or reply because you're too busy posting "seethe" to a low effort shitpost mildly disparaging Guenon and making three more threads calling yourself guenongenius as part of your crusade to be the ultimate tripfag of 2019-2020. Buttershit is still beating you though, quality over quantity.

I'm talking to you right now about these things and you're not even replying to them. I even asked you just now, are you willing to effortpost? I guess you're too busy posting gems like >>15041380

>>15041897
>I have posted, you just never notice or reply because you're too busy p
I know your posting style well and cannot recall you ever doing this once, if you had I'm sure I would have noticed

Well, I tried. What is this now, the fifth time?

>>15040433
fucking hippies man, it's just fashion to them. another fucking fad to follow, i wonder, do they even go past entry level hinduism/buddhism?

>Dude like we're all one and everything is love
OMMMMM lol namaste

>>15035347
based!

>antiguenonfag will never haver a peer to discuss things with
>guenonfag for the 5th time denies effortposting and healthy discussions
top anime feuds desu. Guenonfag probably feels he's not up for the task. Antiguenonfag senses guenonfag's inversion and still has hope for him.

in the end what remains clear is that these orientalists are out of their mind

>>15042244
>Guenonfag probably feels he's not up for the task.
I've learned that the guy I was speaking to is very duplicitious and lies constantly, it's a waste of time to engage with him about anything although I enjoy effort posting and having good conversations with other posters, I was just calling out one of his many lies, and once I had done that I no longer had any reason to let him take up my valuable time

>>15042337
how do you justify your inversion though? your shitposting, the whole guenongenius and collages? I do not trust you. He could be what you claim he is, but what about you? We all fall for our psychic vices, I know, but are you even trying?

>>15042381
>how do you justify your inversion though? your shitposting, the whole guenongenius and collages?
Someone else was behind the 'pbuh' meme, someone else made the ' brothers I have reached non-dual awareness' copypasta thread, someone else makes most of the Guenon threads. Out of the 50+ Guenon-related memes in circulation I have made 3 or 4 of them. I post more about eastern philosophy more and fiction than I do about Guenon. The other guy who I've mentioned dislikes me because I post about how I think Buddhism is stupid and so because he has this intense dislike for me he assumes that every Guenon-related post, joke and meme is made by me because it conforms to the beliefs he already has about me. I can understand how others feel like those poses are 'inverting' guenon's ideas but I don't mind it, most of them make me snicker because some of the memes and the jokes are pretty funny, I'm a light-hearted person who jokes around a lot in real life too which is why it doesn't bother me. I am calling myself Guenongenius ironically invert the disrespectful term "Guenonfag" because I'm not a homosexual faggot and will not refer to myself as one.

>>15042484
damn, antiguenonfag... I'm falling for guenonfag's rhetoric... did antiguenonfag trick me?

i dont know what to believe anymore. what does it all mean. it has all shook me to the core. advaita was the only reliable truth and now it is under attack from all sides.

on the Guenon front there are so many characters in this anime i can no longer follow it. the anti guenon crusaders are autistic, but so is guenonfag/genius himself. the biggest autist is the guy doxxing guenonfag. at least guenonfag was on a mission with his posts, antiguenonfag was just an angry hater. i feel this meme will die soon, the attacks yesterday were too much for it to endure. i will still read guenon and the vedas, but his presence on lit has been ruined.

if the story about guenonfag in prison is real, it is a frightening reminder of how unjust the world is. i have had bad experience with police before, and this story was a reminder to me, and to everyone else, to favour suicide or the life of a fugitive over incarceration.

stay safe brothers.... i think the only hope for us all is to learn arabic and join a sufi order, or learn sanskrit and hindi to join a Hindu operation.

>>15042244
To be fair Guenonfag is right that I've done my fair share of shitposting but I am at least trying to be honest when I say that I've always wanted to effortpost and I always fundamentally revert to effortposting.

I really liked that dualist Iranian guy, he was crazy serious about his beliefs too and would shitpost a bit but he was always good-natured about it fundamentally.

>>15042484
I don't doubt that you adopted rather than started a lot of the more heinous forced memes, but the question is why you adopted them and why you continue to force them. My running theory with you has always been that you have a slightly (but fatally) skewed perception of how 4chan posting works, where you think people disagreeing with you are more serious/focused about it than they really are, whereas most anons just skim the catalog for any excuse to post. You also tend to lump people together. The first signs of your insanity were when every guy who argued with you in some thread was "THAT FUCKING THEOSOPHIST FROM THREE MONTHS AGO!!!" even when they weren't advocating for Theosophy.

Then when people just slightly poked fun at this tendency in you, you started making threads that began with "NO THEOSOPHISTS, NO KANTIANS, NO SAM HARRIS FANS, NO GODDAMN BUDDHISTS ALLOWED." I don't even know where the Sam Harris thing came from.

>>15042542
>>15043284
I'm not an an angry hater, I mostly just do it because it's funny. Guenonfag is lying through his teeth that he doesn't care. His asspain is legendary. The whole reason I originally started casually trolling him, also as one person among many by the way, was because he was a fucking mean bully to people in this threads. I am not a Buddhist but he thinks I am one (another reversion to his hallmark ARE YOU THAT SAM HARRIS POSTER AGAIN?!?! behavior) because he hates Buddhists and because I occasionally told him to stop being a douche to a Buddhist anon who was trying to have a real conversation with him.

As a certified Guenonfag Historian I am definitely autistic as hell but in my defense, it's pretty easy to do what I'm doing, and the only time I had a stake in it was back when Guenonfag would bully and lie to people in his spam threads and they wouldn't know it was him (or that there was a resident crazy asshole at all), so he would get away with it and possibly mislead them. My only real objective with Guenonfag was to make people aware that he's doing that evil shit, but that was years ago now. Once that was accomplished I just reverted to occasionally pissing him off, because he gets any bad response at all and he floods the board for 2+ days like an autist.

I am not the only guy casually trolling him either. I recognize at least 2 or 3 consistently at this point. I also don't make the better images.

Agreed that the prison story is inspiring though. I actually read a lot about Hinduism, Buddhism, and Tantrism myself because of all this nonsense.

>>15043600
>I really liked that dualist Iranian guy, he was crazy serious about his beliefs too and would shitpost a bit but he was always good-natured about it fundamentally.
what words should i put up in the archives for his posts?

>I mostly just do it because it's funny
as I imagined.

> every guy who argued with you in some thread was "THAT FUCKING THEOSOPHIST FROM THREE MONTHS AGO!!!" even when they weren't advocating for Theosophy.
kek

>>15041225
personalities decide if you like something or not means you are infinitely retarded
>>15041980
I like hippie cuties ,spiritual pussy is by far best
It is fashion it the end none of that shit matters to god
God it the ultimate larper expressing in infinite forms with loyalty to none.

>>15043841
you are the worst poster on lit

>>15043284
Guenonposting is eternal, have no fear brother....

>>15043871
Thanks for the 'you' but you dont know i am or could point it to save your life , im in your head now and cannot retort only arrows that miss the target , hehe
>COPE

>>15035347
You're wrong, and my existence and mind itself is enough to counter your claims.

>>15043912
you are the shitposter who talks about archons and larps as non dualist. probably a degenerate hippie

>>15043841
>>15043912
don't listen to that hylic, I like you and consider you to be my nigga

>>15043933
hehe, its satisfying. One could describe it as predatory energy vampirism that ancient alchemist learned from archons ( triggered anon- gives off a bit of energy )
But also an aggressive zen poking someones ego and satirically using ones own while nothing can harm you if you know yourself as awareness. This way breaking through the illusion and spreading truth one way or another even if they get angry and double down on their view it eventually leads to same truth just different path.
Im only here for few days and gone as divine consciousness needs me elsewhere , life truly is bliss
>>15043981
<3

>>15043841
>god is the ultimate larper

kek reminded me of this

>>15044106
one day you'll answer for your blasphemy and all your non-dualist larp won't save you

>>15044106
you are deluded. there is a reason most traditions don't openly teach non-dualism and make people work for years before being allowed to learn anything higher. "throwing pearls before swine". when an average person such as yourself hears about these teachings they start believing they are special or even god himself, because you are not qualified to hear these teachings. instead of helping you, it has just become fuel for your ego.

>>15044201
slave morality

>>15044245
guy is 100% self-centered who thinks he might enlighten people through his shitposts

search in the archive for:
raises finger
meister eckhart
zen.jpg
pepespirit.jpg (pepespirit1.jpg till pepespirit9.jpg)
shankara2.jpg
wagie.jpg
pepebuddha.jpg
hylic
archons
etc

the deranged mind of a non-dualist larper is enough evidence of their dead spirituality
>>15043841
>>15043841
>>15043841

>>15044269
yeah bro. true spirituality is clearly seen from your posts and example >>15044308

>>15044308
wait is this guenonfag or a fake guenonfag or just a different one

>>15044323
it's not guenonfag, it's the guenon/hylic spammer. if i had to name i'd call nondualist larper. he's anti-religious

>>15044319

>>15044201
I am beyond heaven and hell, i AM that i AM only AM remains
>>15044245
But anon i couldnt possibly be in a state of more clarity .

“If you want to perceive and understand objectively, just don’t allow yourself to be confused by people. Detach from whatever you find inside or outside yourself – detach from religion, tradition, and society, and only then will you attain liberation. When you are not entangled in things, you pass through freely to autonomy.”

I completely reject seeking and dogmatic egregore bullshit ,people need liberation now and only now the most direct path.
I was never into spirituality or metaphysics until i had few spontaneous mystical experiences , henosis of what neoplatonist would call others as states of pure blissful nondual awareness.

I only aspire to embody the archetype of blissful Fool ,a divine nonchalance living life in union and full expression of timeless self.
I skip the prose and dive straight into the poetry of life.
A divine dance and play which this world is and nothing more.

>>15044429
>But anon i couldnt possibly be in a state of more clarity .
your behaviour indicates otherwise. you are deluded. there is a reason why they forbid the uninitiated from reading most of these books. its because they become deluded like you

>>15044308
Of all the posts
One is by far my favorite
>Raises finger
Start from there

>>15044437
What does, say, Ashtavakra Gita really mean then? That one appears to be very straightforward.

>>15044437
>NOOOOOOOO NOT MY SECRET NO DUAL SPECIAL CLABINOOOOOO
Truth is now and only now,god never intended us to be overthinking autists but to live in as his expression everyday.
I was initiated by life now i shitpost in joyful bliss.
>Namaste

>>15044502
based guenongenius

>>15044467
It is not a teaching for laymen, people who identify themselves with the body. You are not brahman until that state becomes actual for you.

>>15035347
Why are the incels or grad school losers here so confident Western philosophy is anything but running in circles with conceptual garbage? Why are they so smug?

>>15044502
as you'd say
>COPE

>>15044542
because of the 'sunk-cost fallacy'

>>15044556

Yes ,you can only agree with me ,glad my post impacted you anon
Also u missed that i posted castaneda and enochian threads as well
now you must excuse me i must open a zen thread and perhaps one on henosis/contemplation
>namaste

>>15044537
But I don't identify myself with the body, I had already received some clues on how to accomplish that previously and the Ashtavakra Gita finished the puzzle. It wouldn't have made a strong impression on me otherwise.

The Bhagavad Gita also states explicitly the One God is within everyone and everything and also without.

>>15044537
Also, I don't think I am God, though I do carry Him within, as does everyone. I am well aware I am imperfect, I don't go around preaching 'I am God, listen to me!'

>>15044698
>But I don't identify myself with the body
You do. To be non identified with the body is not a thought. The reason these teachings were restricted is because people like you will hear these words and think you understand what it means, because you've never experienced what the author is talking about. You are lost in thoughts and think that means anything. It means you're more asleep than the ordinary people you look down on. Your immaturity is enough indication to anyone who knows anything that you're a liar and a larper.

>>15044721
You should go to to some realized yogi in india and tell him all the things you say here. He'll see right through your lies and cut you right to the bone.

>>15044962
this. the larpers read those texts, absorb it purely through by the psyche and think they are viewing it through the spirit. it's what guenon calls INVERSION, it's what spiritual directors call prelest or spiritual delusion. that's why one must be first grounded in the exoteric/religious practices

finger raiser is kill

>>15045004
Why are you even citing Guenon when you dislike him and non-dualism so much?

>>15045215
i like and read guenon. i dislike non dualist larpers. especially those that despise religion and spam guenon

>>15045233
If you are the same person who has accused non-dualism of being 'prelest' in the other threads then it seems you barely understood him

>>15035446
whats wrong with crypto buddhism?

>>15044721
^is not me
>>15044962
I yeet equally on hylics as well as on traditionalist cucks
Thus i state my dharma
I do not think nor believe nor have faith .
I know myself as witnessing awareness larping in infinite forms , appropriating Absolute God the eternal timeless larper
>The fool will seethe but the wise will understand
Do you understand?
>raises finger
pay attention

>>15045247
NON DUALISM IS PRELEST. all christians associated with the guenon or schuon (borella, smith, hani, cutsinger) are falling for prelest. guenon is not infallible. on dante and on the christian sacraments he terribly wrong, on east and west he is wrong etc.

>>15045261
cope

>>15045247
who are you by the way? guenonfag? antiguenonfag? does not seem like the finger raiser larper

>>15045261
You aren't funny, just immature. We'll see how you feel when you're eventually forced to get a job.

>>15045277
Kalki

>>15045268
okay Guenon would have thought you were completely retarded then

>>15045268
Its only prelest when you havent attained that state. All these people who just read some books and start thinking they're Brahman are having prelest.

>>15045313
i dont care for what he'd think of me. i only care about truth and there is truth in some of his books. truth is truth regardless of who says it. im not his disciple. i quote inversion but others also talked about it, even those not associated with religion or metaphysics. inversion is real phenomenon and guenon is one of the main critics of it.

>>15039551
sum up Carroll's argument please

>>15045303
Thanks , immaturity is true expression of awakening we are but children playing in sand nothing of this world is serious
>job
Kek wagie, i got passive income the only work i do is work of god

>>15045344
>I only care about truth
Is that why you repeat the same strawman criticisms of non-dualism in every thread you post in despite that multiple people have explained sentence by sentence how everything you're saying is a strawman which doesn't actually correspond to the thing you are attempting to criticize? Your posts are all marked by the same appeal to sentimentalism that Guenon correctly identified as a sign of intellectual decline

>>15045375
i refuted nondualism and all you guys do is quote doctrine to support it
>"no you are not versed in the scriptures!"
what appeal to sentimentalism?

>you dont know what advaita preaches
i dont need to know in order to theologically and philosophically refute non dualism. you never claim i dont know the enneads. the fact you know advaita and i dont is not an argument for non dualism.

>>15045431
YOU CANT YOU CANT YOU CANT YOU CANT YOU CANT WESTERNIGGER

>>15045440

>>15045393
No you didn't it was shown that you didn't know anything about it and that all your attempts to find logical flaws were premised on you not understanding what you were talking about, and then when people pointed this out and explained that if you actually knew anything about non-dualism that there was clearly no contradiction you complained that they had relied on non-dualism to expose the inadequacies of your criticisms of it (inagine if I had attacked you for citing the Bible when defending Christianity, it was that stupid) and then the remainder of your attacks were simply appeals to sentiment until you stopped posting in that thread

>>15044962
I didn't say it's a thought. It's a fundamental shift in perspective, and one can't think their way to that. Thought at best gets one to a point where the final non-rational, non-verbalizable step can occur. I'm with Krishnamurti on this, at any rate: no one but yourself can tell you whether your inside is beautiful.

But it's true that if I were perfect, I wouldn't be bothering to type out these words.

>>15045462
it's not the same. it's like using church doctrine to defend the reality of a christian aspect. i would never do that --- you guys are using doctrinal passages to defend a philosophy. what thread are you talking about? i never stopped posting as far as i remember. if you are talking about 'non dualism has won' i definitely did not stop posting there

>>15044978
He's going to deny the Bhagavad Gita?

>>15045499
He will see non dualist larper is deluded

>>15045487
What you are describing is still just part of ordinary cognition. You haven't realised any higher state. You are deluded.

>>15045354
Immaturity is not a sign of awakening. Have you even met any awakened people? They don't act like you. You are childish and deluded. Your humor indicates emotional immaturity and lack of anything stable in you, the opposite of awake.

>>15045525
No, it's not a mental action, a thought, or a process, therefore not cognition.

>>15045515
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED MY POO GURUINO NONDUAL BALERINO TO GIVE ME VALIDATION TO START LARPING NOOOOOO
Raises finger
>Know thyself

>>15045515
Sure you're not getting lost in dogmatism? Shouldn't you be able to cut me right through the bone instead of merely saying I'm deluded?

>>15045536
>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST ACT LIKE THAT IT IS IMMTURE !!! YOU MUST ADHERE TO THESE STANDARDS
I truly am free
And i mock you and your dogma
think about it

>>15045585
>>15045585
I'm not fully awake. Ive experienced enough to see that you have just have some emotional experiences and have falsely taken them to mean something more than they really are. Again because of your immaturity you don't understand your emotions.

>>15045561
Yes because the risk of delusion is so high.

>>15045490
In the other thread you tried to use the same basic "how can I perceive multiple objects and perceive myself as different from God if everything is actually one" argument that everyone uses who doesn't know anything about Advaita, and then when it was pointed out that Advaita accepts both an absolute reality and a conditional reality, and that multiplicity only appears at the level of conditional reality but is sublated in absolute reality (and so perceiving multiplicity is not a contradiction of Advaita in any way) that was when you complained people were referencing non-dualist doctrine. Because of this, you failed to refute anything. If you wish to expose an alleged contradiction or logical flaw in a system of thought then you have to address the system as a whole, instead of ignoring any of components of the system that would render your criticisms invalid. A roughly analogous situation would be a Muslim criticizing the trinity for being 3 separate Gods, just as the Muslim's criticism of the trinity misses its mark because of how he misunderstands the Christian position on the trinity, in the exact same way your attempted refutation of Advaita completely fell short because you ignored the component of conditional/absolute reality which means that the fact that we perceive multiplicity doesn't result in any contradiction of Advaita whatsoever.

>>15045614
Emotions are just felt sensations in the body. Once one gets past the labels of these sensations (anger, sadness, fear, pride and so on), and really experience them for what they actually are, instead of getting lost in thought or action in response to them, one is free of suffering.

>>15045650
>advaita accepts both absolute and conditional reality
advaita doctrine
>in the exact same way your attempted refutation of Advaita completely fell short because you ignored the component of conditional/absolute reality which means that the fact that we perceive multiplicity doesn't result in any contradiction of Advaita whatsoever.
i never bothered about refuting advaita, as non dualism is not an exclusivity of advaita. the acceptance of a conditional reality is an axiom of advaita doctrine. if i refute the core belief all the other axioms linked to it also fall. that was not even my main argument.
>A roughly analogous situation would be a Muslim criticizing the trinity for being 3 separate
false. i'm not criticizing advaita specifically as i do not know it and the truly analogous situation would be resorting to church doctrine to explain the trinity to a muslim, which would be wrong

the fact God's spirit dwells in every person does not mean that their personal beings are reduced to that of the perfect being that dwells in them. they all are IN God, but they are not God --- God 'only' sustains everything which is not God. this means the soul will be sustained by God for the eternity. Now what is the soul? the soul is potential being that is realised in time and space with a body. to be is to relate with the other / love the other (that's why the trinity exists),

if the soul will exist for the eternity, how can you claim all is one? for the soul is not the spirit, it is something created. not even nondualists deny the immortality of the soul, but they claim that the soul is not personal and that it is just an state of being, which is ridiculous

>>15045817
>i never bothered about refuting advaita, as non dualism is not an exclusivity of advaita.
Advaita is often regarded as the paradigmatic example of non-dualism and so if your argument doesn't defeat Advaita then you cannot say with all honesty that you've refuted non-dualism. Most of the time when people say "non-dualism" they mean Advaita unless they specify otherwise. Attacking Neoplatonism is no substitute since it's a very different system and many people would even dispute that it's non-dualism, one of the most prominent Neoplatonist posters here being one of these people. If you are only capable of finding contradictions in non-Advaita forms of non-dualism then that only attests to the truth and correctness of Advaita
>the acceptance of a conditional reality is an axiom of advaita doctrine.
correct
>if i refute the core belief all the other axioms linked to it also fall. that was not even my main argument.
You never refuted a core belief of non-duality though but all your arguments in that thread hinged on this same sort of misunderstanding, for example the other post about "a non-dualist cannot say he has learned or moved away from ignorance" is also rendered an invalid and toothless criticism by the conditional/absolute distinction.
>the fact God's spirit dwells in every person does not mean that their personal beings are reduced to that of the perfect being that dwells in them
This sentence and everything you wrote after it is you simply restating the Christian position as being normative, which is not in any way a refutation of non-dualism

>>15045932
since when immortality of the soul as a thing in itself and not a state of being is christian position only? it's held by all traditions. only in non-dualism they reduced the soul to a non personal thing

even if i brought only christian axioms you'd disregard them while you expect me to accept advaita axioms. anyway i gotta go for now

>>15045866
>if the soul will exist for the eternity, how can you claim all is one? for the soul is not the spirit, it is something created. not even nondualists deny the immortality of the soul, but they claim that the soul is not personal and that it is just an state of being, which is ridiculous
I believe that I have explained this to you before but will happily do so again. When Advaita says "soul", they are talking about both the exterior seed and the seed kernal inside it as a complex. The seed outside or husk includes the mind and intellect, they are created, transient, non-eternal and are without any conciousness themselves. The seed kernal is the only part of the complex which is concious, the seed kernal is both the Self (the innermost awareness which observes the activity of the unconscious mind) and is also God. As the seed kernal is God it is uncreated and eternal. Although there is only one God, because of God's power of maya it falsely appears as multiple seed kernels inside various seeds, just as one moon can simultaneously appear as hundreds of moons when reflected in so many puddles. The reason Advaita can say both that the soul is eternal and that everything is one in absolute reality, is because as long as one dwells in ignorance, the eternal seed-kernal appears to move from one non-eternal seed husk to seed husk (various lives) but when one attains enlightenment one no longer has the misconception that there are multiple individual seed kernels, but one realizes the truth that there is only one God/Self/Kernel that had falsely appeared to be divided into many, that what one took to be their individual kernel is actually this one supra-individual kernel inside everything and that furthermore the kernal was never actually deposited inside the seed as a limited thing to begin with but was one, infinite, unlimited, unchanging and all-pervading awareness which had only falsely appeared to be finite because of a seeming association with the seed husk, just as the space inside a pot is non-different from the all-pervading space everywhere but falsely seems different from that space because of the association with the pot.

>>15035347
Is this dialectics? How does this non-duality relate to synthesis? Or is synthesis merely a realisation of the illusion of duality?

>>15046386
yeah its dialectics. check out this subreddit called chapo trap house and they explain everything. non duality actually has a lot of application to gender theory and Marxism, i think youd really like it. guenon himself was a marxist revolutionary who loved material equality, the power of the proletariat, and a godless society of hard working people. guenons greatest influence was hegel, and to a lesser extent marx. read some heckin theory comraderino

>>15045817
>advaita doctrine
stolen from madhyamaka btw

>>15040979
I actually recorded an instance of him admitted to being a former buddhist in this board (pic related). It's quite hilarious how he's trying to downplay his connection to Injrabodi the way he's been doing for a few days now, the fact that he's so worked up over guenon-detective bringing the pizza story to the forefront just lends more credence to the theory that it's him (for the record I deny that he's swede anon from a previous geunon-detective thread, he may still be seguro the wiki editor but who cares really)

He's been posting on /pol/ a while back (I think 2017?) urging people to read IttSoHD to the point where he convinced hindu-anon to recommend him for 'westerns' in Hinduism general threads when they were a thing.

>>15043284
>at least guenonfag was on a mission with his post
>stay safe brothers.... i think the only hope for us all is to learn arabic and join a sufi order, or learn sanskrit and hindi to join a Hindu operation.
ok guenonfag

>>15046831
based nagarjuna coming up with original ideas while poojeets like eddy shangri-la rip him to smithereens.

>>15037539
No

>>15046831
Wrong, the absolute vs non-absolute distinction appears in the Mundaka Upanishad which predates Madhyamaka by hundreds of years.

>>15047506
Nagarjuna was a southern Indian and was hence likely a brown Dravidian

>>15046819
>non duality actually has a lot of application to gender theory and Marxism
That's only the gay version of non-dualism taught in Buddhism (epistemic) where everything is relative and not the based real version of non-dualism taught in Vedanta (ontological)

>>15048080
it was a joke.

>>15035347
>If I can't even find out what i'm referring to, then nobody can falsify my statements and i'm free to jerk myself off forever.

You should literally kill yourself. Anyone who ever looks to you for perspective on any subject is going to be harmed.

>>15048041
2 truths is expounded implicitly in the PC (DN i.202 and SN i.297 to name a few) and elaborated by Buddhists as early as the second council (70 years after Buddha's death). It is highly unlikely that post-Buddhist Mundaka came up with this concept first, which is more of a tiered arrangement rather than the 'two sides of the same coin' argument that Buddhists put forth. There is no evidence Mundaka was composed before the 2nd council. The Mundaka itself is difficult to estimate though it's a rather late upanishad and probably post-Buddhist according to scholars (who estimate that the date for late upanishads falls around 300-200 BC). This coupled by the fact that Mundaka shows signs of Buddhist influence where other upanishads don't and the fact that the Mahasamghikas of 2nd counil were already the defacto orthodox group who professed 2 truths doctrine, gives credence to the theory that Mundaka was a post-2-truths-doctrine upanishads.

non dualism is crypto buddhism

>>15048047
Correction: Nagarjuna was a golden GOD compared to that dickshitar

>>15048225
buddhism =crypto upanishads

>>15048266
absolutely based

>>15048097
I've unironically seen academics comparing buddhist non-dualism to post-modernism, deconstructionism etc so I thought you were serious

>>15048200
>implicitly
That's an opinion but not a fact, it's a fact that Mundaka is the first known text in India to expound it explicitly, there is also no proof 2nd council was before Mundaka. Absolute vs non-absolute reality is just a pedagogal device for elaborating on something that's already contained in the doctrine of illusion/maya anyways (which appears in Brihadaranyaka and Chandgoya centuries before Buddha). You can't teach that God is reality and that the world is illusion as the pre-Buddhist Upanishads do without the automatic implication that this God underlying the illusion is the absolute truth, and accordingly that the illusion seems real now but due to its illusory nature is only a relative or conditional truth at best in comparison to what's behind the illusion. It's the inescapable and inevitable implication of any doctrine involving an illusory world which is why it appears in Jainism too.

>>15048225
The early Upanishads like Brihadaranyaka and Chandogya mention non-dualism and use the word Advaita centuries before Buddha would later plagiarize from them

to anyone wondering why guenonfag does what he does, this is why. he is addicted to having the same argument about advaita predating buddhism every single day for the rest of his life. notice it's the only thing that draws him out of shitposting. it's an unhealthy obsession, a flamewar he has probably been having for a decade in his own head

>>15048380
>That's an opinion but not a fact
It's a fact, get over it.

>there is also no proof 2nd council was before Mundaka
And no proof it was after. Meanwhile the orthodox Mahasamghikas were recorded to have professed the 2 truths doctrine, while the POST-BUDDHIST Mundaka is shown to have heavy buddhist influence. 95% chance it came from Buddhism.

>>15048427
He should meditate more. He might be less of a crazy wackjob if he calmed down and started meditating.

>>15048427
>to anyone wondering why nagarjunafag does what he does, this is why. he is addicted to having the same argument about madhyamaka influncing predating advaita every single day for the rest of his life. notice it's the only thing that draws him out of shitposting. it's an unhealthy obsession, a flamewar he has probably been having for a decade in his own head
>>15048429
>It's a fact, get over it.
no it's an opinion, it's reading an idea into the text that is not there
>recorded to have professed the 2 truths doctrine, while the POST-BUDDHIST Mundaka is shown to have heavy buddhist influence
no it hasn't the only real connection was the name mundaka which refers to monastics but the word mundaka also has multiple other meanings and monasticism is taught in the pre-buddhist brihadaranyaka anyways

>>15048537
there is no one "nagarjunafag". you just proved the point, you got called obsessed with this and you replied that your eternal for must be fought until the end of time.

>>15048441
yea, if he is pizza man then this is all ten times sadder because that guy knew how to meditate

>>15047216
there are alot of similarities, but i hope it's miraculously two people

>>15048602
It's foolish to attack me for responding to a charge that someone else made first, the impetus for even talking about it is because of them, whoever brought it up (the buddhist) is the real obsessed person here

>>15048537
>no it's an opinion, it's reading an idea into the text that is not there
it's there, not my fault you are too stupid to get it while the early orthodox buddhists who might have even been alive during the time of Buddha understood it immediately.

>no it hasn't
face it, Mundaka is a Buddhaised upanishad

in fact only 4-5 out of 108 upanishads (and out of 10-11 principle upanishads) can be said to predate Buddhism.

Basically only 3.7% of all upanishads are pre-Buddhist and 50% of all principle upanishads have Buddhism stamped all over it.

Hell even the fact that you mark your upanishads around the life of the Buddha, just like how we mark our years around Christ, is testament to the overwhelming influence of the dharmic giant that is Buddhism on the fold of Indian philosophy. How does this make you feel?

>>15048645
no one is attacking you, you're posting on 4chan where people call eachother failures and say kill yourself over a preference of video game console. how have you not figure this out yet. if you post pro-hockey threads people are going to say hockey sucks, is it then justified to rehash the same "ummm actually hockey is more popular in all northeast urban regions in the last five fiscal years just look at these stats" arguments? why not state your opinion and try to move the conversation to something more interesting and it's on the other guy if he doesn't cooperate? be the bigger man

>>15048736
>Mundaka is a Buddhaised upanishad
you never showed any evidence for this. Also, you never responded to the point about absolute/conditional being implicit in the doctrine of maya because you know its true and becuase it does away with the buddhist claim to have come up with it first. The rest of your post is just WE WUZZING, no different then africans claiming that western philosophy comes from black people because of the egyptians

>>15048757
guenonfag willingly became a namefag and now call all that acknowledge him attackers

>>15048621
I have nothing against him being a pizza man. I just hate that he doesn't know shit about Buddhism and is retarded.

>>15048645
Usually the one responding is the obsessed party, you could have easily just ignored a drive-by remark like that yet you didn't and you still continue this tangent.

>>15048775
>you never showed any evidence for this
it's axiomatic ;^)

>>15048785
I have read a lot of Buddhist texts and found them to be unconvincing, pedantic, uninspiring and repetitive. The fact that they dont even know why samsara and ignorance exists to begin with makes the whole thing baseless speculation.

>>15048785
i agree, i was just saying pizzabro seems legit which is why it's sadder that guenonfag is stuck in this endless rut. he reminds me of the waifufags on /tv/ you can tell aren't being ironic but actually worship some celeb and feel compelled to defend them against anonymous jokes

>>15048736
>the fact that you mark your upanishads around the life of the Buddha, just like how we mark our years around Christ, is testament to the overwhelming influence of the dharmic giant that is Buddhism on the fold of Indian philosophy
not the guy you're responding to but I actually never thought of it that way. Why do Hindu scholars mark their scriptures around other figures religious figures especially ones they're hostile to? It seems like such a cuck move 2bh.

>>15048853
that's just your opinion

>>15048794
I often do (he posts it in almost every single thread about Hinduism, Guenon, non-dualism etc) but today decided to point out that it's wrong

>>15048861
>Why do Hindu scholars mark their scriptures around other figures religious figures especially ones they're hostile to?
They don't, The pre-buddhist and post-buddhist Upanishads is a classification invented by modern scholars but has never been used by Hindus themselves

>>15048861
Hinduism in its current form is but a shadow of Buddhism with Vedic overtones, they simply can't escape it.

>>15048853
>The fact that they dont even know why samsara and ignorance exists to begin with makes the whole thing baseless speculation.
Asking 'why' something exists is total nonstarter and leads to infinite regress. It is more appropriate to say 'how things exists'. I'm no Buddhist but something tells me they have their reasons.

>It was contact with the Eastern mind that illuminated for Jung many of the secrets of the unconscious and led him to formulate in The Secret of the Golden Flower the concept of the self. But he does not suggest that we should imitate the East in any way - to do so would be to become ridiculous, and like trying to wear every day a gorgeous fancy dress.

>>15048861
Hinduism is either the ultimate cuck religion or a cool hodgepodge depending how you see it. It incorporates innovations from other religions and groups. The Upanishads represent a period of non priestly caste groups and maybe ethnic outsiders/newcomers innovating and creating new philosophical concerns which the brahmin priests had to incorporate and later claim were always part of the vedas, even though they were probably rebellions against stagnant brahmin ritualism at least in part. Jainism and buddhism were probably a mix of non brahmin developments that spread to the brahmin dominated areas and parts of society, and the brahmins had to deal with this and integrate them. The same process happens again in the middle ages when Buddhism dominated Indian philosophy for centuries and gets absorbed into Hinduism in a way that preserves brahmin stewardship.

Despite the advaita autist's nationalist talking points it is generally accepted by academics that Indian asceticism, monasticism and moral discourse are in large parts absorbed from non vedic sramana developments. Even many of them were anti-vedic.

Saying otherwise is like saying all of Christian metaphysics with its obvious Aristotelian and Platonist elements is really in the Bible. Only hardcore true believers even bother arguing this. The advaita autist is just that but for Hinduism.

>>15048887
Hindus think puranas predate buddhism by thousands of years and that Shankara lived during 2000 BC. I wouldn't take their dogmatic views seriously.

>>15048918
>Asking 'why' something exists is total nonstarter and leads to infinite regress
not if that regress ends with it emerging from, being created by or caused by something which already existed eternally without beginning like God you retard

>>15048964
ok but why does God exist?

if the yugas are true and mankind keeps falling faster and faster what explains all these movements being the most recent? advaita and buddhism are more modern developments

>>15048949
>The Upanishads represent a period of non priestly caste groups and maybe ethnic outsiders/newcomers innovating and creating new philosophical concerns
This is completely wrong, the Upanishads come from the Brahmins, they are intimately bound up with the context of the earlier Vedas, they reference Vedic rituals and Gods, Vedic Gods are used as characters in various parables, various Vedic sacrifices and meditations are mentioned and described as leading to various results, earlier mantras from the Rig-Veda are repeated and quoted in the Upanishads, several parts of the Upanishads reference the Vedic Brahmanas and Aranyakas and are impossible to make sense out of without reference to those texts. They are so closely related to the context and ideas of the earlier Vedas (which only the Brahmins would have memorized and thus be familiar with) that the notion that anyone other than the Brahmins could have come up with the Upanishads is an absudity.

>>15048976
An all-powerful eternal unconditioned supreme entity with it's own independent self-nature such as God can be beginningless and eternal, it needs no other reason to exist, whereas this is not true of samsara or ignorance

>>15048918
They do have their reasons. I actually debated with the person you're responding to and gave him his answer (apparently he missed that basic point in the Suttas during his 'lengthy' read which is surprising since he admits how they are repetitive).

Here he is now doing his usual routine of playing the forgetful Jew who parrots the same talking points while going 'but no one actually can answer this bro'.

>>15049019
*is an absurdity

>>15049036
Ok but why is he beginningless and eternal?

>>15049019
Yes Rajesh from the comments section of a Youtube video on ayurvedic binaural beats, we know what you think, that's why I differentiated between you on one hand and disinterested academics and non Hindu nationalists on the other. Read a book about it some time that doesn't have a blurb on the back saying the author is the smartest handsomest guru in all the land.

Example, read Max Müller who you like to cite sometimes as an "important indologist". Pic related. Remember you yourself cite Müller as an authority.

>>15049039
Theravadins believe Buddha taught that dependent-origination is the cause of samsara/ignornace, but that theory was btfo by both Nagarjuna and Gaudapada/Shankara for being illogical, and is also btfo by Kalams cosmological argument. So the Buddhists still don't actually have a reason or explanation for why samsara/ignorance exists because the one time they tried with Theravada it was garbage and got BTFO by better thinkers, and the Buddhists who btfoed the dependent-origination explanation like Nagarjuna refrained from offering any explanation to replace it and so its still baseless speculation.

>>15049058
Oh you don't understand the way he operates. Scholars are only correct when they agree with him. Otherwise they are dirty hylics who are part of the profane cabal of modern academia.

>>15049048
It's necessarily included in the nature of being a Supreme God, it's like asking why water is wet, whereas this is not true of anything else

>>15049058
>ayurvedic binaural beats
cant find this on youtube pls help a nigger out

>>15049070
>Theravadins believe Buddha taught that dependent-origination is the cause of samsara/ignornace
no lol, that is simply wrong. Pratityasamutpada is a description of samsara, not the cause. Why am I wasting my mental breath with this you are just going to make a new thread and say 'b-but Buddhism has no explanation for X haha btfo'

>>15049080
ok but why is it necessarily included in the nature of being a Supreme God

>>15049111
>why am i wasting my time with this, there is no escaping it by engaging with it, i must simply transcend it

Wait, is guenonfag a living allegory for samsara?

>>15049111
Okay what is the Buddhist explanation for it then? Beginningless primordial ignorance/avidya? That's not a real explanation because it doesn't explain how or why that avidya exists to begin with, and ignorance can only pertain to and inhere in an already existent entity and so it cannot be the prior cause of that entity. Buddhism is baseless speculation

>>15049130
look up the meaning of God in any dictionary and you'll find the answer

Every time i come into a thread like this i end up feeling like i dont even know left from right anymore. Some of the strangest things ive ever read. Intelligent, but in a really bizarre way. Idk what to think of this at all. I still dont feel safe thats for sure.

>>15049367
calm yourself anon
>raises finger
start from here

>>15049161
>Okay what is the Buddhist explanation for it then?
We had this literal same discussion in the previous thread lol how are you this clueless

>>15049384
It's not worth it. You can explain it to him in simple English and he will still pretend not to get it.

>>15049174
Ok I have but it still doesnt tell me why god exists? Why does God even exist bro?

>>15049421
God has to exist. It's his essence.

>>15049367
Anon you have mild schizophrenia and you're reading flamewars between people who may themselves be mentally ill. You're looking for patterns that aren't there. Get off 4chan when you are feeling like this.

>>15049384
yeah, in that thread you first said dependent-origination and were evidently unaware that Nagarjuna btfoed that explanation, and then you tried to shift to the explanation to that avidya is the cause, and then when I pointed out that this explanation is garbage for various reasons you didn't have any remaining explanation for what causes samsara, again Buddhism has no idea why samsara or ignorance or anything exists at all, its baseless speculation full stop

>>15049438
see, you know who i am without me disclosing any other information in my post and posting through a vpn. i'm not imagining anything. this is still going on and it scares me enough to make me come back here and keep me off other sites.

you never see other people proselityzing their worldviews so much. what non-dualists have to gain from this?

1) why are they proselytizing in such a vulgar manner?
2) why are they proselytizing that which is supposed to be esoteric to the masses?

>>15049545
I only know who you are because I saw you post like this in a recent thread too. In that thread I also told you to be careful about these thoughts and I told you to go be with someone you love and trust. If you're having these thoughts, you're in a paranoid spiral and you will distrust anything I say, so go be with someone you do trust. If I were trying to manipulate you, would I tell you to do that?

Be safe nigga.

>>15049545
relax. these anonymous namefags are trained to see patterns in anonymous posts so they can identify each other. guenonfag and antiguenonfag do that

>>15049668
as long as it feels like everything i see online is filtered through an algorithm based on my deleted browser history and comments i will continue to be paranoid. I can't help it. irl there's nothing wrong anymore but up here there is, or at least it feels like it.

>>15035446
>1- Almost all scholars and almost all actual Hindus agree that Shankara's non-dualism (called advaita) is "crypto-buddhism," meaning it's a ripoff of Mahayana Buddhism. Not just the philosophy of Mahayana either, but the institutions and culture as well. Pic related.
Those who argue about the niceties religious doctrines are still prisoners to “the world”, the world of socializing, of proving your superiority and amazing intellect. In reality, there are no religious doctrines. From a higher viewpoint, it’s all seen as humans just playing around with glimpses of the divine truth they get. The Supreme Reality is neither Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, or anything else. A self-proclaimed “advaitin” insecure that their philosophy is similar to Buddhism is no real “advaitin” at all.

> 3- Not only was advaita just ripoff buddhism, its modern forms were heavily westernized and revived by the most embarrassing form of western occultism (Blavatsky's Theosophy), which guenonfag (pizza be upon him) also hates and is buttmad about:
Blavatsky included some distorted but still valid occult information in her works based off of her studies of world religions and her travels in Central Asia and Tibet. I’ve heard Theosophy called “esoteric Buddhism/Hinduism” by a pretty well-read and knowledgeable person, I would agree.

> 4- Guenon's principal follower, Frithjof Schuon, started a cringey sex cult where he fucked his cult members' wives and fondled their prepubescent daughters, usually in front of other children. The current unofficial head of the perennialist movement, Nasr, has never repudiated Schuon (who was his teacher), and continues to praise him. Perennialists hate being reminded of this as well. Guenonfag used to post lots of Schuon and Nasr until people began talking about this, and now he claims to dislike Schuon.
Look at the truth for yourself instead of concerning yourself about people’s actions or nonactions, how they pervert or even speak the truth, etc.

>>15049689
i dont believe you, at all, honestly. lets play an online game through a vpn and see how long it takes til I see a familiar username yeah?

>>15049803
i mean come on, everyone loves being followed around everywhere they go being reminded of shitty things they said and did, it's fun.

a testimony to how evil guenonfag's schizo shitposting is, it's causing some other guy to have a paranoid episode

>>15049803
>>15049897
talk to your therapist asap

>>15049803
for a sec i pondered if guenonfag was a mod that could see the ips, but it turns out they just pay too much attention to threads that only few people post in. he now keeps going through different threads saying i got BTFOd and exposed as someone who does not know what non dualism is, which is not true.

>>15049897
yeah ofc, it's the best thing that's ever happened to me. "The gaze of the other" is what it's called right? yeah, that feeling 24/7 is something i'd highly recommend, it's great. it's fucking fantastic

>>15049944
What's the harm in it, honestly? As long as it doesn't deter you from more than 90% of the things you'd like to do it's fine right? just let it happen, breathe in and out a couple times, and let the river of messages flow past, no biggie. It's all in your head anyway, there are no real people behind these posts, it's just some sickos having fun with neural networks. completely normal, everyday stuff.

>>15049908
he can only up the dosage on my meds, at which point i might just drink a couple of beers every morning and be less anxious and more content than i am rn. i'm not psychotic

>>15050093
i don't even wanna think about how anyone will interpret this, im just sick of this shit. i tried to do some ironic thing to show i really don't feel good about any of this still. there's nothing to get, just stop

has anyone else been getting direct deposit with their Bannonbucks or did you guys opt for mailed checks? I'm in the middle of signing up and don't know which would be more covert

and here i am clawing at nothing to make a feeling go away, doesnt matter wtf i type itll still be there. i wanna dropkick my router off the wall and then instantly regret it

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>>15050319
when my new computer arrives I'm about to reinstall that game, truly the choice of patricians

>>15049897
Have you tried reading the works of Rene Guenon (pbuh)? Find the light my friend, all you see is duality and this causes pain in your psyche. Look through the veil and be at peace with your Nous.

I love PBUH..................

>>15050560
Based

>>15049058
max muller is a joke. Indologist disregard him as he was a brainlet
mlechaa your are probably from a usual thot household
debate me at @TrueIndology you faggot amerimutt

>>15049436
ok but why is it his essence?

>>15049445
>*squawk 'Buddhism can't explain samsara' squawk*

>>15051699
Based, I've enjoyed looking at your twitter account before, I'm glad that you browse /lit/

>>15051699
>max muller is a joke
says the person who cited him in his arguments lol

>>15052000
it cant though, which is why its baseless speculation

Buddha is an ignorant fool with mental retardation, I know much better.
I piss and shit on the Buddha's face after smashing his face with a pole and burning his body with a torch and gouging out his eyes
then I rip out his loins and watch him bleed to death, and finally I eviscerate him and fill his body with pig shit
I hang it on strings like a puppet and make it dance around for my entertainment every day until it becomes too rotten to prop up any longer

>>15035347
of course you can split consciousness into parts, it's why you are only conscious of some parts of yourself at any one time.

>>15052031
you only ever have one locus of conciousness which can focus on one thing at a time, but you cannot think 2 completely different thoughts at the exact same moment

>>15052031
go ahead then...... CRINGE