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From a 1997 interview (excerpt from the book "Messages to the World")

>PA: Your family is a rich powerful family in Saudi Arabia. Have they, or the Saudi Arabian government, asked you to stop your activities?

>OBL: They have done that a lot. They have pressured us greatly, especially since a lot of our money is still in the hands of the Saudi ruling family due to the activities of our family and company. They sent my mother, my uncle, and my brothers on almost nine visits to me in Khartoum, asking me to stop and return to Arabia to apologize to King Fahd. I apologized to my family kindly because I know that they were driven by force to come to talk to me. This regime wants to create a problem between me and my family in order to take some measures against them. But, with God's grace, this regime did not get its wish fulfilled. I refused to go back. They [my family] conveyed the Saudi government's message that if I did not go back, they'll freeze all my assets, deprive me of my citizenship, my passport, and my Saudi ID, and distort my picture in the Saudi and foreign media. They think that a Muslim may bargain on his religion. I said to them: do whatever you may wish. It is with God's bounty that we refused to go back. We are living in dignity and honor for which we thank God. It is much better for us to live under a tree here on these mountains than to live in palaces in the land most sacred to God, subjected to the disgrace of not worshipping God even in the most sacred land on earth, where injustice is so widespread. There is no strength except with God.

>> No.15038681

>serving God

>they're freezing all my assets

>> No.15038694

Other excerpts from the book

Interviewer
>Some Arab states were most strong in their criticism, like for example the latest speech of the Saudi Interior Minister, who warned against you personally, and warned against the following of your curriculum [nahjikum] and what you say. So do you have a specific strategy for Arab nations? And what is your answer about the latest declaration by the Saudi Interior Minister?

[...]

Bin Laden
>I say to those people who walk behind those rulers, don’t they have hearts? Don’t they have faith [imaan]? How can they declare faith [imaan] while they are helping those fornicating disbelievers [al-kafara al-fajara, fajar is the root of a 4-letter English word that starts with F] against the children of Islam? They help them against our children in Iraq and Palestine.

>> No.15038700

On the Iraq War

>America insisted on attacking entire peoples, including their children, their women, and their elderly. It is now clear that it is Israel that is behind all the attacks on states in the Islamic world. However, for fear that great popular movements will rise up and topple them, these collaborator regimes have conspired to save their own skin, regardless of their duties to Islam and Muslims. The feelings of these people were desensitized as much as America wanted, so the Jews were able to employ American and British Christians to do the job of attacking Iraq. America claims that it is bringing Iraq to account and to justice, but the fact is that the Israeli authority and the Jewish authority, which has become powerful inside the White House, as everyone can see—the Defence Minister is Jewish, the Secretary of State is Jewish, the CIA and National Security officials are Jewish, all the biggest officials are Jews—led the Christians to clip the wings of the Islamic world. Their real target is not Saddam Hussein but the growing power of the Arab and Islamic world, even if they struck the Iraqi people or—as they previously alleged in the sanctions against Libya—because they had a chemical weapons factory, or when they bombed the al-Shifa factory in Sudan, which was a pharmaceutical factory.

>> No.15038711

From the letter to America

>The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

>We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling, and trading with interest.

>You are the nation that permits Usury, which has been forbidden by all the religions. Yet you build your economy and investments on Usury. As a result of this, in all its different forms and guises, the Jews have taken control of your economy, through which they have then taken control of your media, and now control all aspects of your life making you their servants and achieving their aims at your expense

>You are a nation that permits acts of immorality, and you consider them to be pillars of personal freedom.

>You are a nation that permits gambling in its all forms. The companies practice this as well, resulting in the investments becoming active and the criminals becoming rich.

>You are a nation that exploits women like consumer products or advertising tools calling upon customers to purchase them. You use women to serve passengers, visitors, and strangers to increase your profit margins. You then rant that you support the liberation of women.

>You have destroyed nature with your industrial waste and gases more than any other nation in history. Despite this, you refuse to sign the Kyoto agreement so that you can secure the profit of your greedy companies and industries.

>It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history.

>You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake: This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

>> No.15038713

I didn’t read all that green shit but it looks like bashing Jews and that’s a based from me dawg.

>> No.15038729

Advice for posting
Jannies delete wordy threads (ironic i know)
This won't last 5 hours probably, which is short for /lit/ standars

>> No.15038731

>>15038694
Pretty sure the Saudi was one of his children or people too

>>15038700
So why did they install Hitler? Really ignoring the fact that America attacks any "communist"

>>15038711
Way too focused on exerting his power instead of building his own society. Why take Israel? Because his false prophet said he had a dream about it? Total tripe head to toe

>> No.15038746

>>15038665

A common murderer knows little of worshiping God.

>> No.15038752

>>15038746
Don't talk that way about Moses you goy

>> No.15038785

>>15038665
>follows heretical sect
>gets setup by Mossad/CIA
>dies in a cuckshed
>most likely burning in heck
Oof

>> No.15038787

>>15038785
>>follows heretical sect
What do mean?

>> No.15038795

>>15038711
>>You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake: This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

lmao, Bin Laden is really fucking naive

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>>15038711
Pretty based/10.

>> No.15038798

>>15038795
In fact he is correct. Soldiers are paid by civilians to kill on their behalf, and American civilians refers to soldiers as serving them and commemorate this service through national holidays.

>> No.15038810
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>Brothers and sisters, there is a global culture that is being forced down the throats of everyone on the face of the earth. This global culture is protected and promoted. Thomas Friedman--he is a famous writer in the U.S., he writes for the New York Times--he says, "The hidden hand of the market cannot survive without a hidden fist. McDonald's will never flourish without McDonnell Douglas." The designer of the F-15's. In other words, we're not really dealing with a global culture that is benign or compassionate. This is a culture that gives you no choice. You either accept McDonald's, otherwise McDonnell Douglas will send the F-15's above your head. It's a very intolerant culture that cannot coexist with anything else, it uproots every other culture on the face of the earth, it just cuts the roots of it. And you have here a quote here by Alexander Solzhenitsyn, he's a famous Russian historian-writer, he says, "To destroy a people you must first sever their roots." So it's really a destruction of the people of the earth, because every other culture is being demolished. So this is not a global culture that will coexist with others, it will replace others. And the only ideology that is standing up to this global culture is Islam.

Quote by Anwar al-Awlaki. Droned for al-Qaeda affiliation, he was also ridiculously slandered by the FBI who said he solicited prostitutes and was arrested multiple times for it while an imam in San Diego (strange no news organization reported it until years later, considering his mosque was major and he was a national figure). Obviously this character assassination was to discourage Muslims from following him. But I digress. The above quote is from an English khutbah (sermon) by him, the first in a series on the Life of Muhammad, salla Allahu alayhe wassallam. It's available to listen to here

https://www.kalamullah.com/anwar-alawlaki.html

(excerpt is from 27:25)

>> No.15038824

>>15038810
I don't think McDonald's needs F-15's to make hamburgers, although the ingredients are indeed a mystery

>> No.15038857

>>15038798
>The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.

You and Bin Laden are fucking idiots if you believe this.

He even contradicts himself by saying Jews manipulate and control America, but also says Americans control their own destiny. Which is it?

>> No.15038866

>>15038797
uhhhhh, thanks for the effort, but im not looking to ally with faggot white liberals

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>>15038810
At least they have a somewhat coherent worldview, the western one is just full-on schizo tranny dystopia.

>>15038857
I'm guessing he means americans are responsible for allowing jews to rule and control them. Again, it's not incoherent.

>> No.15038874

>>15038857
Excellent point

I also like how little any of them quote Islamic scripture because the material is so fucking bad and basic

>> No.15038875

>>15038867
It is inconsistent, he says Americans have the ability to change the actions of their government (false)

He also says that Americans are being manipulated by Jews (true)

This is an inconsistent position, if an outside group is controlling you, you do not have self determination

>> No.15038878

>>15038857
He says Jews control their media due to American love of usury, which Jews always gain control through. Including of media. He doesn't therefore say Americans are no longer responsible, rather their degeneracy and indifference makes them willing slaves.

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>>15038857
>Which is it?
Note: everyone outside the west think they do.

>> No.15038886

>>15038867
>not incoherent
>baseless accusations without citation

>> No.15038890

>>15038874
They quote it extensively, including in this sermon, including in the letters. The Letter to America opens with theology and uses scripture throughout

>>15038875
>says Americans have the ability to change the actions of their government (false)
He cites Vietnam to prove otherwise. Americans rallied to change foreign policy but mostly because the draft upset them. Otherwise they are fine with it or indifferent

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>>15038878
>>15038890
That's dumb. Try speaking out against the Jews as an average citizen and see what happens to you. The average citizen has no agency against the federal government or Jews.

>> No.15038905

>>15038890
They don't quote it in reference to their actions which is required of all Biblical scholars. They quote it like an opening line to a bad poem referencing a better work.

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>>15038810
>It's a very intolerant culture that cannot coexist with anything else
Because the guys pushing for a Caliphate are so tolerant of Yazidi, Christians, Shia, Atheists, Buddhists, and different view points, etc? The only partner they have is Israel, they're a few kilometers away and never dare to attack the "great satan" instead they fight his Golems and proxies and get obliterated as a result...

> it uproots every other culture on the face of the earth, it just cuts the roots of it.
so your upset that it's doing what you wanted Islam to do? lmao, as /v/ would say: "get gud"


>he was also ridiculously slandered by the FBI who said he solicited prostitutes
so they don't distinguish between prostitutes and his halal sex slaves? kek

>> No.15038931

>>15038902
Most citizens consider soldiers as serving them. If you don't, if you see them as enemies, then you're rare.

>>15038905
They certainly quote in relation to their actions within fatwas.

Christian scholars can't derive any serious praxiology from the Bible based on a consistent methodology of interpretation.

>>15038907
Al-Qaeda are literally the only group that still targets Jews. Even Hamas no longer fires rockets at Israel and forbids it and says al-Qaeda is responsible

>> No.15038947

>>15038931
Cite one please, better make sure it isn't the opener lol

>> No.15038964

>>15038947
It's the opener and more throughout
https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

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>>15038907
>wahabbis never attack israel

Oy vey, shut it down

>> No.15038971

>>15038931
>Al-Qaeda
opium crazed goat herding boy f*ckers.
The caliphate seekers mentioned were obviously ISIS not AQ, nice dodge.

>> No.15038975

>>15038964
>https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm

It's literally only the opener and the closer. Twice as bad, lmfao

>> No.15039032

>>15038969
>>15038969
>supports Russian bombing and occupation of Muslims in order to keep secularism

>collaborates with American invasion of Iraq

>doesn't harm a hair in Israel's head

But our foreign policy clashes with Israel so we're the good guys
https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/amp/indepth/2019/12/20/the-iraq-report-mass-graves-of-sunnis-found


>>15038971
ISIS is a spin off from al-Qaeda

If you're referring to Afghanistan, I suggest you read these articles

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Omar

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/southasia/2018/01/24/the-revised-afghanistan-criminal-code-an-end-for-bacha-bazi/
https://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html


Al-Qaeda of course does support a caliphate, they want it lead by the Taliban. ISIS came from al-Qaeda in Iraq and started targeting Shia for collaboration and purging of Sunnis. Even now the Shia government there collaborates with America

>> No.15039047

>>15038975
>ha, it doesn't quote when listing American crimes, just what it says before and after

Anyway in the interview terror for terror (can be found in the book) he lists numerous fatwas and authorities he is going by

>> No.15039049

>>15039032
Syria covertly and openly opposes Israel and before the war was sending rocket strikes into Gaza. They've never been on friendly diplomatic terms with the US. Also Ba'athism is the best ideology for the Arab World, your failed caliphate (or attempts to lay the base for one) made it a policy corner stone to target civilians globally and brought more suffering into the Muslim world. You've repeatedly targeted Muslims yourselves.

>> No.15039058

>>15039047
He has no authority, he never really cared for religion, he was not even concerned about using it as an excuse. He was a power-hungry retard that got killed and got his entire family murdered and will spend eternity in hell

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Based secularism!

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>>15039076
On second thought, no thanks

>> No.15039089

>>15039049
Saddam Hussein killed Shia in bulk. The gassing the Kurds thing? Yeah those were only Shia. Baathism is garbage, for some reason westoids overlook mass killing when there are miniskirts and bars, both with Saddam and Assad

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>this butt blasted that yet another attempt to establish the caliphate failed yet Assad is still here

Your movement is literally the plaything of Saudi billionaires.

>> No.15039116

>>15039089
Don't act like ISIS and Al-Queda haven't been killing them too

>killed kurds in bulk

By I thought my dear Bin Laden tard, if Kurds don't want to be killed they have the power to chose new leaders so any attack on their civilian population is justified?

>> No.15039121

>>15039104
Saud works with the government they want in Yemen and the CIA to bomb our positions

Assad is literally the plaything of Russia. He is completely dependent on constant Russian air support to not be deposed. Just a puppet regime

>> No.15039132

>>15039116
Actually no, there was zero hostility by Bin Laden toward Shia. In fact the Sabra and Shatila massacre (as mass killing of Shia) was cited by him as something he wanted to avenge.
It was in fact Kurds who instigated it. They wanted pro Iranian Kurds killed by Saddam, which obliged

>> No.15039138

>>15039121
Their government takes those actions, yes, but you realize their princes are the ones who bankroll the organization?

>He is completely dependent on constant Russian air support to not be deposed.

This is the realpolitik of opposing America and Israel, the alternative is hiding in a cave and suicide bombing mosques and market places of sects you disagree with

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>>15039104
Islam has no love, so it's people will always be in turmoil and confusion.

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>>15039082
As degenerate as that is, it's not as bad as pagan stone kissers.

>> No.15039195

>>15039138
>Their government takes those actions, yes, but you realize their princes are the ones who bankroll the organization?
No they don't. The organization is primarily bankrolled by kidnapping and ransom but also sometimes blackmarket oil. They get their arms mostly through capturing caches

The fact is he stands for nothing to me or most Sunnis except his own power and secularism. He is an Alawite (which even Shia consider kuffar) and a very secular one at that. Of course there is realpolitik but that's all.

Bombing mosques is done by Russia and America too. Shia are a political movement, not just a sect. They have been genocidal since the Safavids (not Houthis/Zaydis, but Twelvers anyway). They practice sex change and hour long paid marriages. They are a serious adversary

>> No.15039201

>>15039187
Kissing your children is idolatry too then I guess. We don't bow to the stone, Shia once stole it and it didn't change the direction of prayer or Hajj.

>> No.15039209

>>15039195
Weren’t you condemning the deaths of Kurds though? They are overwhelmingly Shia or communist. Why is it justified for you to fight Shia, but condemn others when they do so (even though the reason isn’t specifically because they are Shia)

>> No.15039222

>>15039187
wtf

>> No.15039224

>>15039201
going to mecca and engaging in the rituals is a pillar of islam, kissing your kids isn't, pagan.

>> No.15039226

So what are the rules for being a prophet in Islam? Other people believing you? Real democratic actually

>> No.15039231

>>15039209
The Kurds there are overwhelmingly Sunni, Barzani was the one who asked Saddam to gas the Shia Kurds.

Shia who aren't familiar with the doctrines of their clergy are Muslims or could be. Saddam's efforts to purge practicing Shia isn't acceptable anymore than Assad's efforts to purge practicing Sunnis. Shia who have chosen to side with Alawites and Russia against Muslims, and those fighting for the Iraqi state, must be treated as enemy combatants but I don't go further than that

>> No.15039240

>>15039224
Kissing the stone is not part of any pillar or the ritual of Hajj. 99.99% of people who go on Hajj don't do it. People do it because Muhammad, salla Allahu alayhe wassallam, did, but he never commanded it

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>>15039240
>Some muslims are pagan rock kissers because Muhammad did it too.

>> No.15039420

very based

will have to read this, never heard of it

>> No.15039619

>>15038665
So if al-qaeda was responsible for 9/11, how come it was clearly a pre planned demolition?

>> No.15040067

>>15039274
How is kissing pagan?

>> No.15040096

>>15040067
>kissing sacred rock that you bow to, during prayers, during a sacred and mandatory ritual, in a pilgrimage, that Muhammad also did and kissed
Pagans have no self awareness of what theyre being duped into.

>> No.15040099

>pagan rock kissers
Lmao

>> No.15040112

>>15040096
We don't bow to the rock. One time Shia stole it, didn't change the direction of prayer

>> No.15040152

>>15039187
looks like kissing shit in the toilét...

>> No.15040922

>>15040112
>shia stole our totem
based Ahl al-Bayt

>> No.15040931

>>15040152
the rock is said to be a petrified turd from space

>> No.15041649

>>15040922
Ahl al-Bayt are mostly Sunni

>> No.15042593

>>15038729
>won't last 5 hours
>11 hours ago

>> No.15042744

Fukken trust fund kids

>> No.15043408

https://twitter.com/atbobb/status/1247424990804201474?s=19

>> No.15043447

>>15042744
Seriously. The world was this dude's oyster and he chose to become a terrorist.

>> No.15043779

>>15043447
A dark knight

>> No.15043794

>>15043447
I've seen worse uses of a family fortune to be completely honest with you