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>>15032837
>Talmudic
You mean the torah

>>15032837

>Nietzsche claimed that Christianity is "Platonism for the masses". Do you agree with this characterization?

You can't disagree with a valid & true statement.

Read Revelations close enough and it'll be obvious to you too.

>>15032867
This first, and I imagine OP is disingenuous or foolish, given this mistake.
>>15032837
Crudity would be me saying ur a dumb white nigger that is blind to a path that has passed from father through son for Millenia.

>>15032867
>>15032910
nice contributions to the topic at hand, you braindead fucking niggers

>>15032837
Quite obviously not, while Christianity recognises the root essence of a moral meaning to the world, Platonism does not.

This is only the smallest an example of a difference as well, fundamentally they are different system; even if they differences do not produce dislike of the other. All one has to do is use their brain, look at the enormous centrality to the crucifixion, even ignoring the fact of having such a central image is a world shaping difference, it's entire character is not to be found in Platonism. As Schiller wrote to Goethe:

>"If one would lay hand on the characteristic mark of Christianity, distinguishing it from all mono-theistic religions, it lies in nothing less than the upheaval of Law, of Kant's 'Imperative,' in whose place it sets free Inclination. In its own pure form it therefore is the presentation of a beautiful morality, or of the humanising of the Holy; and in this sense it is the only æsthetic religion."—

>>15032965
>>15032867
The mistake was considerable, and necessary to be pointed out if one wishes to lay any hands on innermost character of the Christian religion.

Before you proceed with looking into such a character, you must actually read Christian writers, with the awareness of the Christian influence, and so whomever has written with such themes incidentally or not. It could be a novel, or it could be Elliot.

>>15032965
Well, let me at least contribute somewhat to the topic at hand. Christianity is ultimately unreconcilable with Platonism, but this doesn't mean Plato didn't grasp some truths in his works.

Platos theory of Forms is such truth that is compatible with Christian metapsychics. Christians would just say that the Forms reside in the mind of God.

>>15033033

Or you could actually go to a fucking church or read the fucking bible itself instead of reading 19th century reactionary monarchists while ignoring the actual bible itself and the beliefs of the Jews that came before.

>>15033075
>t. neoplatonist

>>15032837
This is a non question who has read either and know Nietzsche literally just means Idealism™ in its most robust form. Christianity is idealism lite in terms of conceptual fire power/commitments. Of course its Platonic: the first step of which is to orient yourself to something beyond yourself. The act of prayer is the literalized poor uneducated masses of that.

>>15032837
>Plato - there is Good outside of us that we partake in; a principle that lacks movement;
>Aristotle - principle of movement with his notions of actuality and potentiality, and then the Good is turned into the Unmoved Mover, who is pure actuality;
>Christianity via Augustine - first cause as scene above from its own perspective, that is God;
>Hegel - ties all together and puts explicitly in philosophical method; the Absolute is the truth of all things;
>Nietzsche - Christianity is Platonism for the masses; Platonism, Christianity, and Science are their own undoing with their end goals

Nietzsche, given the dialogue he has spurred, was incredibly insightful on the inner-workings of both. He is actually correct in his characterization not only in principle, but historically. Platonism, which has immense philosophical influence, influences the largest religion population-wise on the planet at roughly 2 billion people.

>>15032837
Yes and no

It's not supposed to be, in that it has a much deeper point to it in terms of divine union through contemplative prayer.

But for normies who don't think about it too much it is basically just platonic ideas presented weekly, yes

>>15033126
Jews are a reactionary sect to Christianity.

>>15033260
You leave out Heidegger, as well as Schopenhauer(but really Wagner who sustained the Schopenhauerian equivalent to Nietzsche and further found its expression in Hitler and an array of other men).

In regards to Heidegger, it is obvious he superseded Nietzsche in the sense of his historic interpretation. And as said before, Wagner occupies the pro-Christian equivalent of a quote un quote "natural" understanding of the religion(moral meaning of the world and so forth). Though admittingly, in Hegel there is an aspect of the mechanical structures found only in the Crucifixion to be present.

>>15032837
Christianity is Stoicism for the masses. It's very easy to cope when you think "whatever lmao I'll have eternal life in heaven anyway"

>>15032837
He means that the philosophy of the institutional form of Christianity is a dumbed down version of Plato's philosophy. So yes, I agree.

>>15033033
>Christianity recognises the root essence of a moral meaning to the world
The injection of this morality in Christianity is what makes it dumbed down from Plato.

>>15033033
>and in this sense it is the only æsthetic religion
>aesthetic = moralism
OH NO NO NO NO NO