/lit/ - Literature

>>15030517
Moldbug:
>power rules all in the end(sovereignty is conserved)
>therefore affectations of justice to the contrary are memeplexes which evolved to mask power, and their dissemination in the popular mind is intertwined with power
>progressivism is one such complex evolved from Puritan Christianity
>capitalism works very well when order is present in a state, which requires a strong authority
>formalizing this authority to be synonymous with capitalist shareholders is feasible
This shit ranges from obviously explained by prior sources(he calls himself a third-rate Carlyle), to laughably retarded. It would take a long time to actually point out the problems in every bullet there.

Nick Land:
>capitalism is a cybernetic force of intelligence-optimization which has existed throughout all prehistory in evolution(he even memes about the fucking sun and entropy) which is now reaching an exponential curve in the industrial revolution(or earlier) and will result in AI that wipes out humanity(deservedly according to Land)
>in the meantime Republican states like the Dutch or English several hundred years ago are the best way to bring this about(and also the best way for sane human government? Land is not especially clear about the dissonance between his long term and short term predictions, maybe it's all predicated on what is best for intelligence optmization, not like the guy would ever actually outline his thought systematically(though his Fanged Noumena essays are often full of isolated brilliance))

both very smart and comparatively honest people, but their actual ideas are unfortunately just not really anything.

all the NRx guys patted themselves on the back for accepting le hard truths of reality(as if some 90 IQ neonazi doesn't do the same for basically the same emotional reasons they did; despite their affectations of sophistication they would be writing elaborate Communist theories were conditions just mildly different(Land actually did)) while doing really nothing but imitating the Progressive academy they hate so much. BlogJim I give credit to for being utterly original and he seems like he is actually trying to understand things, but he was ideas as unproven as anything he criticizes in peer review science, his shit isn't even vaguely reproducible. He's still the best though. Spandrell was ok until he started sucking Chink dick which is just boring, and he always had the Prog bug of making dumb theories he thought were really clever. Bioleninism is a thing in some way but it's not the thing.

In the end they're smart but still deluded, and more importantly, ineffectual. Some complete fucking retard like Richard Spencer or Nick Fuentes probably has more impact.

>>15030517
>Let’s start with my ideal world – the world of thousands, preferably even tens of thousands, of neocameralist city-states and ministates, or neostates.
What an absolute simpleton. In my ideal world, everyone and everything would would be turned into hedonium. Suffering would not exist at all. People wouldn't even have human bodies, or experience anything even remotely like this reality. It would be a DMT-like experience that lasts forever where everyone perpetually experiences pure pleasure far more intense than heroin. Moldbug has no imagination if he actually considers that to be an even remotely ideal world.

https://qualiacomputing.com/2016/08/20/wireheading_done_right/

>>15030621
they've had a huge impact. how could such smart thinkers be wrong? you're not making sense and probably didn't read.

Go

>>15030621
what do you have against nick fuentes? he is intelligent and more conscious than most young men

>>15030657
Call me a degenerate, but that future seems pretty based. Imagine feeling the pleasure of 1000 shots of heroin for the rest of your life.

Fucking ancaps spammed on this board. Why?

>>15032536
>>15030657
You guys will get your fantasies one day (if you live to see them), since they are pretty much inevitable in the course of things (that is, when the powerful elites want to start washing out the dreck in their hypercivilization's democracy to replace it with a more authoritarian alternative and increase efficiency to speed up intermacrocosmic domination).

>>15030517
It’s literally just Feudalism with a post-modern motif. Moldbug is giant jewish faggot who yet again fails to offer anything new to contemporary dialectical discourse.

Moldbug is a brainlet

>>15031101
Youre a literal fucking retard

>>15032619

>moldbugman

>>15032641
try refuting them.

>>15032532
he acts like a celebrity.

>>15032532
but i do think he has been reckless with his talent and he probably already rues some of the bridge-burning, door-slamming shut decisions he's made

>>15032648
I made a post outlining their beliefs and you replied with 'you haven't read them'. I've read almost everything both of them wrote. I guarantee you're the type of dipshit that believes stuff because it appeals to you aesthetically and you utterly lack the ability to evaluate anything.

You probably don't even understand that Land and Moldbug don't agree with each other apart from on basic issues like IQ and democracy.

yawn

>>15031101
hyper-basado. read Dark Enlightenment and Cryptocurrent. the Clear Pill is great too.

Moldbug is good. On the other hand, Nick Land turns everything he touches into tranny ideology, maybe simply because he has so many transgender fanboys which then flooded NRx.

>>15032668
you didn't understand what they said. nothing in your post is relevant to their position.

>>15032708
Land hates trannies.

>>15032860
I did not claim otherwise. Regardless of what he thinks of trannies, it's simply a fact that trannies follow him wherever he goes.

>>15032765
you're actually stupid, you did very badly in the sciences in school didn't you?

>>15032536
Not degenerate, just without soul.

Philosophical jannies

>>15032878
That's because trannies are retarded freaks. It says nothing of Land's actual thought.

>>15033740
>>15032878
it's just one guy spamming these threads. he pretends to be multiple people because we bullied him.

>>15033716
Sounds about right

Corporations are for limiting liability, not for being a form of government. He’s just using a facade of expertise to enforce authoritarian microcosms of power.

>>15033777
completely wrong. heat death implies decentralization and deterritory so we are the medium of the future corporate-monarchy. there is no other way. despotism can't win and monarchy only works with decentralized intelligence networks.

>>15033811
But at that point they really aren’t corporations then.

>>15033835
supercorps/sovcorps.

>>15033752
I've been in accelerationist circles, they're full of e-girls and trannies.

>>15034378
sure you have. how do you leave your apartment if you're spamming these threads every day?

>>15033752
lmao every fucking time. Prove it accfag

>>15034417
already proved it in that other thread.

I am a left wing Moldbuggian

>>15034417
no I'm accfag, at least you called me acc fag in the last thread I was in. are you the Godhead/valorization/capital is everything anon?

>>15030517
This is like dystopian LARP. For all the talk about sovcorps and violence deterrent there’s no mention of when violence IS profitable, which is great for the shareholders but guess what serf? Here’s your rifle helmet. “Let’s assume everyone agrees on the borders” what a way to just hand wave away a major problem. The end result of all this would eventually be two giant sovcorps controlling everything

>>15030657
What is pleasure without pain?

>>15034665
So there are two accfags spamming this shit?

>>15032619
Lolno

>But when all people have become useless, self-prop systems will find no advantage in taking care of anyone. The techies themselves insist that machines will soon surpass humans in intelligence. When that happens, people will be superfluous and natural selection will favor systems that eliminate them-if not abruptly, then in a series of stages so that the risk of rebellion will be minimized.

>Even though the technological world-system still needs large numbers of people for the present, there are now more superfluous humans than there have been in the past because technology has replaced people in many jobs and is making inroads even into occupations formerly thought to require human intelligence. Consequently, under the pressure of economic competition, the world's dominant self-prop systems are already allowing a certain degree of callousness to creep into their treatment of superfluous individuals. In the United States and Europe, pensions and other benefits for retired, disabled, unemployed, and other unproductive persons are being substantially reduced; at least in the U. S., poverty is increasing; and these facts may well indicate the general trend of the future, though there will doubtless be ups and downs.

>>15034719
>muh pain is necessary for pleasure to exist
Cope

>>15032860
Where did he say that?

>>15030517
pseuds. another libertarian paradise.

>>15030657
It remind me of "The Machine Stops" by Edward Morgan Forster

How do people like this always ignore the simple fact that there are, in fact, people who exist who derive pleasure from conflict. For them unprofitable violence is rational because violence in and of itself is the end, not the means. Not even in an explicit way, but there are definitely people who implicitly, without knowing it, desire violence.