/lit/ - Literature

I don't know and I don't care but the Holocaust did not happen

>>15029184
>those bug eyes
Anyone got a picture of this proto-bugman with a beard and younger?

>>15029199
there you go, mate.

>>15029189
I have abstained from participating in holocaust discussions for one reason. They only cause other people to hate you and yield no result. It doesn't matter whether or not the holocaust actually happened. The event as a tale and story has been so ingrained in our culture, it is so fundamental for current western politics, civilization and the existence of Israel, that it is not simply history. It is the fundament on which all this is built.

What essay is that from? I'm rather surprised he said that. He was definitely an emotional man, though, and all of his work, despite its theoretical sophistication, was informed by a deep sense of disgust and sorrow.

>>15029206
Mahler handsome tho

>>15029207
It's true that the Holocaust is the "fundament" for all those things, but it's also rather important that it is a thing that happened and that people remembered. Adorno said that with the actual memory of the news about Auschwitz still fresh in his mind.

>don't pay attention to the countless Germans and slavs that died, not even the anglos, because history is written by the jew and you should feel bad for Germans putting us in labour camps after we pushed faggotry and trannies in Weimar

>>15029189
>germany has no history of genocidal behavior
Lothar von Trotha disagrees

>>15029189
>not one source provided for any of these claims

>>15029262
Well, skimming over the source text (in translation) it seems to me that he was talking about the very specific moment of his writing (1949). Presumably he hoped that it would again become possible to write poetry, because he did like it.

>>15029288
I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone say that they were pissed off about the Jews who died in the Holocaust but not about the non-Jewish Poles. Sounds like you spend too much time on here

>>15029309
>I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone say that they were pissed off about the Jews who died in the Holocaust but not about the non-Jewish Poles.
If you've heard the "6 million" thing, then you've heard people ignoring the non-Jewish Poles.

>>15029184
Am I the only one who thinks he liked Robert more than Raymond? He respected Robert for being a cop and all, but since Raymond was the married one with multiple children and since Debra was smoking hot he may have felt differently.

>>15029184
To persist, after Auschwitz, in the production of monuments of the very culture that produced Auschwitz is to participate by denial in the perpetuation of that barbaric culture and to participate in the process that renders fundamental criticism of that culture literally unthinkable.

>>15029345
heh
gay

Man, we really should have shoved anyone on the Right to the Camps after WW2

>>15029189
I will never understand why anti-semites disavow the Holocaust. You'd think it would be their favourite event in history. Why do they pretend it never happened?

>>15029309
I was talking about the Russians, but it's you that haven't been paying attention, kikes have been kvetching about the Polish being the real nazis for a while now. Honestly, take a look at the losses during WW2 and tell me that even the vastly exaggerated 6 gorillion figure seems like much, even less then the real number of people who died from disease and hunger in a war torn Germany that couldn't even feed its own.

Then we have another point, why should anyone but a jew care about it? I know they were the winners of WW2 and wrote the history books, their lies fill the airwaves, are screened at cinemas and so on. But speaking logically, should the kikes being btfo by the Germans mean something to anyone but a jew? To the Germans there was their own losses, to the Russians and so on there were they incredible sacrifice in terms of human lives, the anglo too suffered, who gives a damn if the big nosed merchants were gulaged for a brief period? They did much worse in Russia to the Russian people at the very same time as that went on.

>>15029350
nah, Americans shoudl've finished job and remove all juden

>>15029184
Poetry seems barbaric when compared to the art of snuffing out jews, the only true art, the art which cannot be sold nor framed, although you might get framed for shit that didn't even happen, like some crazy notion about masturbation machines and soap bars and other bizzare shit.

>>15029189
>>15029288
can you retards literally not see yourselves, or see history to any capacity? Are you denying that world war 2 happened at all? And where in this quote does Adorno say "ignore all the other victims of the war! it was only jews that died"

honest to god, completely naive questions to the two posters I am replying to. Did world war 2 happen and have lots of victims. And does Adorno say that only the victims were jews?

>>15029361
Ok boomer

>>15029350
so stalin?

>>15029351
Because it probably didn't, and what is taught about it is most certainly lies. The 6 million number doesn't have anything to do with reality for example, it's just jewish numerology. At some point the lies grow too thick and you just dismiss the entire thing as one big lie, they were labour camps. Work will set you free.

>>15029372
Stalin was a Right Winger at heart.

>>15029361
>Did world war 2 happen and have lots of victims.
Sure.
>And does Adorno say that only the victims were jews?
He's a kike so of course he only cares about his own people. The holohoax meme is about that, not the human tragedy of the war.

>>15029336
I agree with you, actually. He probably respected Robert for not being married to a horrible nagging woman like Raymond and himself.

>>15029382
Socially right wing. Economically left wing. The smart way.

>>15029351
"i don't want my country run by usurers and my cultural institutions controlled by people who don't share my values and view my people as cattle" isn't the same as "it's totally awesome a bunch of random people died 75 years ago, sure am glad something me and no one i know participated in or would have wanted is used as a political bludgeon against me and my friends whenever we stand up for ourselves". basically, even if it did happen, it is still more or less irrelevant and was clearly a contingency of a very specific metapolitical situation. but it probably didn't happen, and almost all institutional policy and a great deal of culture exists with reference to it as an almost absolute axiom. it's tiresome and i hope bat aids collapses this gay system.

>>15029345
hm interesting, seems to be a criticism of modernism. so what's the alternative then? are attempts at postmodern art what he advocated? what book of his is that quote from?

>>15029441
Nah, they all should be annihilated. Everything will improve without reactionaries to set us back.

>>15029189

Why is it that Holocaust deniers are always the same people who would be delighted at its reality? Where did they all go, exactly?

>>15029451
You could argue against the idea of the uniqueness of the Holocaust rather than denying it because the joooos

>>15029451
Based and ironpilled.

>>15029457
Everything is already going down the drain with social leftists.

>>15029457
>muh perpetual revolution

>>15029457

>>15029474
Trump is the one that fucked the answer to the Wuhan Flu and managed to made the CCP looks good.
Social Leftists are dumb but cons are just utterly inhuman

>>15029184

Extreme buttblast at having his nice peak-culture Continental Euro Jew life ruined, which attitude melded very well with his innate sourpuss "stop liking things, or if you do 'like' them, you can only like them in the dreary, autistic, Marxian critical way that I 'like' things which itself empties much of the gratification out of life, infinitely moreso than capitalism ever possibly could but you won't catch me saying that out loud" mentality. Also it's bad because it was his own in-group, he wouldn't be nearly so upset if it were out-group, nor would any human.

>>15029484
Even if he hadn't "fucked" it up, the US would still be infected. Literally every country is struggling or begining to struggle. We never stood a chance thanks to globalization.

>>15029207
That makes it all the more tantalizing to topple

>>15029457

The trouble is that you shall never escape reality. This is the central psychological problem which is peculiar to you, and not to them.

>>15029466
How about you start being sceptical of things you're told rather than just blindly accepting whatever drivel the jews feed you because you consider them your master race?

>>15029358
Uhhhhhh based

>>15029457
You’ll just get cucked by a right winger like Stalin hijacking your movement again.

The political right always wins.

>>15029386
>He's a kike so of course he only cares about his own people. The holohoax meme is about that, not the human tragedy of the war.
except he doesn't ever say anything like that and you invented that

>>15029189
>outlaw questioning a historical event
yeah im going to go ahead and believe it's bullshit without even looking into it

>NOOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT US IN LABOUR CAMPS, WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO PUT YOU GOYIM IN THEM! WHAT'S THIS, YOU FORCED YOUR FELLOW WHITE FRIENDS TO WEAR YELLOW STARS SO THEY COULDN'T LARP GOYIM? AAAARGH, HOW DARE YOU? ETHNOSTATES ARE FOR US AND NOT YOU! REMEMBER THE SIX GIGAZILLION JEWS THAT DIED IN THE HOLLERCOASTERS, THE ONLY SIGNIFICANT HUMAN TRAGEDY SINCE THE EGYPTIANS ENSLAVED THE CHOSEN TRIBE! SEND YOUR TAXES TO ISRAEL AND GO DIE FOR THE EXPANSION OF IT!

>>15029351
I dont want them dead, i just want them to stop being pricks

>>15029587
>he pretends not to know the F-scale

>>15029492
You guys managed to made China look Good. All because Muh Business.
>>15029526
Not if we use AIs...

>>15029189
Lmao how can jews even recover unironically?
I never see a refutation of antisemitism in any thread, only literal temper tantrums or insults.
I think that literally no one gives a shit about antisemitism other than jews themselves. Gentiles who are not antisemitic don't care about it, gentiles who are antisemitic make the hate grow and grow and grow
How does it feel, kike? Every member of your family, including you, is probably gonna get murdered in less than 50 years... do you feel the need to ask for forgiveness? Does YHVH even give forgiveness?

>>15029492
while the rest of the world is undoubtedly also retarded that doesn't excuse Trump being an idiot. the absolute state of modern governments in general is just unbelievable, we are actually ruled by incompetent bureaucracies incapable of doing anything

>>15029635
Mass democracy will always leads to that. It doesn't help that we also have other problems

>>15029635
Yeah. Right Wingers need to be enslaved as physical workforce

>>15029648
this has nothing to do with right wingers. the only party in America is the business party.

>>15029648
It is very funny watching people like you try to be edgy, go apologize to a muslim tranny you catlady

>>15029619
>being a transhumanist cuck

Tranny spotted

>>15029458
>Where did they all go, exactly?
Israel

>>15029624
>I think that literally no one gives a shit about antisemitism other than jews themselves
If only

>>15029612
huh?

>>15029207
Basically this.
The Holocaust has basically become a quasi-religious event at this point akin to the prophecies of Christ.
And we know that religion does not rely on intellectual or factual arguments for them to be true to people or have great significance to them.

Even if the holocaust didn't happen, how can you justify rounding up millions of civilians, including children, and forcing them into barbaric prisons?
Holocaust-deniers always bring up the gulags, but even if they're right, how were the concentration camps better?

>>15029725
>justify rounding up millions of civilians, including children, and forcing them into barbaric prisons?
This is happening to us right now.
The prison is called liberal democracy.

>And we know that religion does not rely on intellectual or factual arguments for them to be true to people or have great significance to them.

So Nazis and Fedoraposters have become one.

The ultimate in stupidity. God help us.

>>15029725
You know the answer, they arent going to admit it to themselves.

>>15029725
you can't justify it, it was a retarded idea. Hitler didn't need to do anything but break up the banks and the press, which he did anyway. If he really wanted then he could bar Jews from academia and other positions but it wouldn't even be necessary.

Hitler clearly was a psychotic sort of person and had extreme solutions to stuff.

>>15029741
And that's what Adorno's saying.

>>15029753
He does?
Where should I start with him?

>>15029749
>rounding up partisans during a time of war is retarded
you should tell that to every general who ever lived

>>15029725
>Even if the holocaust didn't happen, how can you justify rounding up millions of civilians, including children, and forcing them into barbaric prisons?
It was a question of survival. The gulags were worse because they were set up by jews to put Russians in. If the Tsar had put the reds and jews in gulags then I think that would have not just been fine but admirable.

>>15029772
bro he rounded up the entire Jewish population, not just commie jews. Like random shopkeepers and fucking children

>>15029725
They needed slave labor for the war effort and needed to exclude potential criminals and damaging members of society from it in a vulnerable time.
Every other nation did it during WW2, it wasn't only Germany

>>15029784
yes, partisans.

>>15029761
Yeah that's actually his point with the quote in the OP: he thinks that modern liberal democracy is cut from the same cloth as Auschwitz, and so (in a figurative sense at least), participating in a celebration of the culture associated with liberal democracy, such as writing a poem, is an endorsement of genocide.

Anyways the first thing I read by him was Dialectic of Enlightenment, which is probably as good a start as any. In a nutshell his (and Horkheimer's) thesis there is that the process of Enlightenment has resulted in a form of "instrumental" reason unable to critique the values that govern it, with the horrors of WW2 as its ultimate conclusion.

>>15029742
How is that a fedorapost?
Maybe I should have said religion does not have* to rely solely* on intellectual or factual arguments for them to be true.
Faith is always a necessary component of belief.

>>15029785
British war camps where during WW2?

>>15029787
>little kidz is partisans mang

>>15029791
It's such a myopic thing to say though. As if there weren't atrocities in the past, poetry would already have been tarnished by that metric.

>>15029808
Again, you have to take it in context (the context is the essay "Cultural Criticism and Society," written 4 years after the war). He was a big fan of the Western culture he grew up with and didn't mean it as a general injunction against artists: the "poetry" that I think he's talking about here is poetry that fails to acknowledge the distance between the ideals it represents and the social reality. And by "Auschwitz" he means not just a particular tragedy but the ultimate crescendo of a process that he thinks has plagued civilization from its beginnings. I wouldn't consider myself a confirmed Adornoan, but he has something interesting to say, even for "traditionalists."

Reminder to /lit/ that this thread took place.

>>15029849
stop shilling your thread Tao

>>15029189
I hate jews as much as the next guy, but it would be nice to see where these statements come from. Lots of them can be explained with the theory that the Holocaust happened from the bottom instead of the top, anyway, such as the one stating that no journals of high-ranking German officials mentioned extermination.
Also this >>15029207
it makes mythology have a lot more sense to it.

>>15029845
I think people tend to see the events in their lives as unique and of central importance when they are just more episodes in history. You could argue that the past couple centuries have been unique because of the technological advances, but nothing going on politically, socially, culturally is all that special.

I also dislike political readings of art, I dont think art needs to justify its existence or comment on social issues of its day. It can do so but it needn't.

>>15029808
the difference is that those atrocities weren’t committed against Jews

>>15029845
Is "the Culture Industry" by him an interesting read?

>>15029345
Yeah you're right. Back to manorialism.

>>15029869
I don't disagree. But you said that you thought contemporary liberal democracy is "a prison." Do you think it has always been that way?

As for the second point, actually Adorno has this peculiar notion that overtly politicial art (such as Brecht) is far less effective at resisting the status quo than art that startles simply by the unconventional ends to which it puts language (i.e., stuff that's more avant-garde). He thinks that any artwork that presents itself as a self-sufficient whole is inherently a threat to totalitarian frames of thought, whether fascist or liberal-capitalist.

>>15029887
Honestly I haven't read it yet, but I'd imagine so. Many people now think that Aesthetic Theory, which he left in manuscript at his death, is his magnum opus though

>>15029189
lmao the treblinka report has yet to be published. 21 years later and Krege has given nothing.

>>15029926
>Aesthetic Theory
Thanks a lot, hadn't heard about that before, gonna check it out.

>>15029926
>He thinks that any artwork that presents itself as a self-sufficient whole is inherently a threat to totalitarian frames of thought, whether fascist or liberal-capitalist.
I would agree with that. Same reason those types of assholes don't like mysticism because it's just completely unconcerned with them.

I have nothing against avantgarde art or more conventional styles, but the purpose for me has nothing to do with resisting a status quo, except in so far as the appreciation of art could be said to be incidentally a resistance to an inhuman regime.

>>15029954
>Same reason those types of assholes don't like mysticism because it's just completely unconcerned with them.
Stop talking out of your ass.

>>15029926
Also i just butted in your convo, im not the anon who thinks libdem is a prison. I think it may be a bit more restrictive in some ways(less in others) that past regimes, but the more history I read the more I get a very strong sense that not that much really ever changes. I don't want to overstate that opinion, it has its limits of applicability, but I do think things are much less different than is recognized by most people. What changes are dogmas in their superficial aspect and material conditions to which we quickly adjust.

>>15029967
>The privatisation of mysticism – that is, the increasing tendency to locate the mystical in the psychological realm of personal experiences – serves to exclude it from political issues as social justice. Mysticism thus becomes seen as a personal matter of cultivating inner states of tranquility and equanimity, which, rather than seeking to transform the world, serve to accommodate the individual to the status quo through the alleviation of anxiety and stress
-Richard King, Orientalism and Religion: Post-Colonial Theory, India and "The Mystic East"

>>15029207
>It is the fundament on which all this is built
You just legitimized hitting the reset button.

>>15029944
Is this the most pathetic twitter account of all time?
https://twitter.com/krege_updates?lang=en

>>15029954
>>15029973
Yeah you sound like a basically reasonable guy. With Adorno you just have to accept that, even if his diagnoses are correct, the extents to which he takes them can be a bit histrionic. But really I find that his problems by shared by most people working in a dialectical-historicist framework, which to me as a 21st-century American remains a somewhat foreign way of thinking. But I find that it can unearth things that were in the back of one's mind without being articulated. You might be interested in his critique of Oswald Spengler, btw, since you seem to be interested in cyclical views of history. Essentially he thinks that Spengler predicted a lot of things correctly, but that he reduces history to a mere matter of taste by essentializing the various "high cultures" into different aesthetics, thereby completely ignoring the cruelties that make history chug along.

>>15029982
Noice quote

>>15029309
>but not about the non-Jewish Poles
They threw a fit when Trump mentioned that people other than Jews died in Auschwitz during the official remembrance ceremony.

>>15030026
that his problems are* shared

>>15029351
So many strawmen intertwined there. Nice hot take.

>>15029184
It didn’t happen, so I have no idea what Adorno’s talking about, but even if it did it’d be clear from their actions that the Jews had (have) it coming

>>15029795
the parents are, and you guys would kvetch no matter what happened to the kids

>>15029361
>retards
For questioning evidence?
>Are you denying that world war 2 happened at all?
Point to where anyone implied this.

"Every nation, race, and tribe has born terrible hardships, suffered horrendous calamities, and sacrificed priceless things. My own tribe's sufferings, however, are so important that everyone on earth should turn their attention to us."
Something along those lines I guess

>>15030026
Spengler is definitely guilty of choosing to write essentially poetry(at least before Auschwitz) than anything even mildly resembling actual historical theory. I was absolutely enamored with him when I first read him but I never exactly believed it, it doesnt actually really fit onto everything in the way he pretends it does. Just such a pretty concept. I dont think Spengler ignores cruelty either, he just has a kind of callous take on human suffering, but he knows it's there.

The dialectical-x crowd I am not necessarily convinced are wrong, again the development of technology is clearly not cyclical, but exponential or at least reiteratively logistic. I have nothing of value to say about them because I never understood their theories.

>>15029466
>than denying it because the joooos
Not him, but in my case that is inverted. I used to love the Jews. I gave skepticism of the Holocaust a fair perusal and I found the narrative lacking. I found that Jews will not argue in favor of their myth in good faith. The fall of the myth and their dogmatic adherence to lies is what soured me on them. They are a people founded on lies.

Uhm... guys?

Here’s some poetry for you, Adorno

>>15029784
A Jew's a Jew. When the fuck will Gentiles wake up to that fact.....

>>15030139
>Italians can't do anything right
That's not a surprise dumbass.

>>15030277
you know there are jews who believe jesus is the messiah?

>>15029784
We did the same thing to the Nips.

>>15030383
>being this much of a dumb goy
you deserve what you get desubh

>>15030383
really? how are they not just Christians?

>>15029867
One place to start is the witnesses themselves. When I was a child, Elie Wiesel was THE celebrity hotshot deathcamp survivor. Ask yourself if he is credible. The myth is not based on evidence, but on witness testimony. If the witnesses are not credible then the whole myth collapses.

>>15030029
IKR My history teacher basicly threw a fit about trump saying that we should remember alll those who suffered in Auschwitz instead of Explicitly saying just the jews. Its almost like they are overcompensating for something...

>>15029184
>What did Adorno mean by this?

He never met a Southern man.

>>15029207
>>15029602
As a Jew, I agree.
I'm not sure about what I think really happened since I haven't researched it thoroughly enough, so I won't talk about that, but regardless of whether it happened or not, or did on a smaller scale, the way Jews and Israel use the holocaust to promote their interests and excuse everything they do is absurd. As if it's the only bad thing that ever happened. You just need to see how they indoctrinate you from birth with "6 million! How dare you smile on memorial day and not stand straight to the siren and be sad! We can't trust the goyim! We must defend our country!" Be sure you don't hear about any other genocide in history class.
I think it's insane that you can go jail for holocaust denial in some countries. If it's so obvious and evident it happened, why not let those who disagree speak and debunk them? It only intensifies the conspiracy theories.

>>15030899
I think this is the first anti-Nazi art I have enjoyed

>>15029189

In 2017 I took a train out to the Blue Mountains in NSW Australia. I was with another backpacker and we met a former Auschwitz survivor who was going to talk about his experiences at a local school. He wasn't morbid or solemn but happy and full of life. It would be hard for me to take deniers seriously after shaking hands with a survivor who rolled up his sleeves and showed us his numbers

There's not really much deepness to this story just a point of view

>>15029184
>>To write poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric
I guess that he meant modernity does not allow for art("the artist is the antenna of a race" and so forth"), though he does it with the ideological character of which he believes.

>>15030918
>It would be hard for me to take deniers seriously after shaking hands with a survivor
If it were a deathcamp then why are there so many survivors?

>>15030931

Kicking myself I didn't ask him that

>>15030918
Just like that woman who claimed she walked out of a gas chamber alive and then later tried to save ANNE Frank who had the fever. They're all full of bullshit stories that's why nobody believes it anymore

>>15030949
You would have ruined your carreer

>>15030907
Read Elie Wiesel's "Night" and the interview book "Inside the Concentration Camps" with a critical eye. They just do not have the air of truth, especially where Wiesel states that people came to take new shoes from prisoners immediately after he talked about how dark it was in the barracks and how their feet were sinking in the mud. How does one tell new shoes from old when they are covered in mud in the dark?
>why not let those who disagree speak and debunk them?
Western politics of the modern era stands on the foundation of the Holocaust. Demands for return of reparations would come. The blind eye turned on atrocities committed on Germany in the post-war period would awaken. Trust in Jews in general would fall due to how rabidly they have defended lies. The loss of the Holocaust would be devastating to Jews. The prophecy of Israel not being rebuilt until after 6,000,000 Jews are killed would be invalidated. What would the atonement for the innocent men hung at Nuremberg look like?

>>15030912

That is because despite the bizarre premise, the piece is at its heart very traditional. Most anti-Nazi art is dedicated to either highlighting their shocking cruelty and inhumanity (Schindler's List, X-Men) or to be "empowering", by depicting their would-be victims as rising up against them (Inglorious Bastards, Wolfenstein reboots). The former is not really intended to be enjoyed and the latter is little more than a petty revenge fantasy. Both are intended to be an eschewing of tradition.

Confederate pregnant Anne Frank art on the other hand goes in the opposite direction, tapping into the same ethos present every culture's variation of the Hero's Journey dating back to antiquity. A clever spin on the classic damsel-in-distress tale. Instead of knights, dragons, and princesses, it’s Johnny Reb, Nazis, and a pregnant Jewish girl with a diary.

Anne Frank is depicted as she arguably was, a scared defenseless young girl whose fate was decided by others, rather than attempting to imbue her with some kind of moral superiority (in lieu of physical superiority where she would obviously have come up lacking). The Confederate soldier takes the role of a traditional hero, an outsider who is driven not by revenge or survival (unlike most depictions of Jewish resistance to the Holocaust), but by a strong sense of justice and a code of honor where it is his moral obligation not just as a man, but a Southern man, to take action and protect an innocent and helpless young girl who is threatened. His years of experience fighting a far more lethal foe in faraway lands (the United States Army) have made him supremely qualified for the task. The Nazis are the dragon, animalistic, preying on the weak, seemingly fearsome monsters whom it is hopeless to fight head on, but are ultimately shown to be ineffectual and crumble in the face of the Confederate soldier's skill and esprit de corps.

Modern staples of entertainment such as Mario and Shrek are immensely popular for the same reason. Their premises may be bizarre and even outright parody, but the core story is the same Hero's Journey we all know and love.

>>15030912

That's because despite the bizarre premise, the piece is at its heart very traditional. Most anti-Nazi art is dedicated to either highlighting their shocking cruelty and inhumanity (Schindler's List, X-Men) or to be "empowering", by depicting their would-be victims as rising up against them (Inglorious Bastards, Wolfenstein reboots). The former is not really intended to be enjoyed and the latter is little more than a petty revenge fantasy. Both are intended to be an eschewing of tradition.

Confederate pregnant Anne Frank art on the other hand goes in the opposite direction, tapping into the same ethos present every culture's variation of the Hero's Journey dating back to antiquity. A clever spin on the classic damsel-in-distress tale. Instead of knights, dragons, and princesses, it’s Johnny Reb, Nazis, and a pregnant Jewish girl with a diary.

Anne Frank is depicted as she arguably was, a scared defenseless young girl whose fate was decided by others, rather than attempting to imbue her with some kind of moral superiority (in lieu of physical superiority where she would obviously have come up lacking). The Confederate soldier takes the role of a traditional hero, an outsider who is driven not by revenge or survival (unlike most depictions of Jewish resistance to the Holocaust), but by a strong sense of justice and a code of honor where it is his moral obligation not just as a man, but a Southern man, to take action and protect an innocent and helpless young girl who is threatened. His years of experience fighting a far more lethal foe in faraway lands (the United States Army) have made him supremely qualified for the task. The Nazis are the dragon, animalistic, mercilessly preying on the weak, seemingly fearsome monsters whom it is hopeless to fight head on, but are ultimately shown to be ineffectual and crumble in the face of the Confederate soldier's skill and esprit de corps.

Modern staples of entertainment such as Mario and Shrek are immensely popular for the same reason. Their premises may be bizarre and even outright parody, but the core story is the same Hero's Journey we all know and love.

>>15030918

I suspect part of the reason that stereotypes of Holocaust survivors (at least on this website) are so extremely negative is because people like this generally don't speak about it unless asked. This is obviously a guy who has since made his peace with what happened and moved on with his life and isn't one to dwell on it. Not the kind of person who is inclined to go on TV and screech about "MUH SIX MILLION", "ORANGE MAN BAD, IF YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP, YOU'RE LITERALLY VOTING FOR HITLER".

>>15030918

I suspect part of the reason that the general perception of Holocaust survivors (at least on this website) is so extremely negative is because people like him generally don't speak about it unless asked. This is obviously a guy who has since made his peace with what happened and moved on with his life and isn't one to dwell on it. Not the kind of person who is inclined to go on TV on his own volition and screech about "MUH SIX MILLION", "ORANGE MAN BAD", "IF YOU DON'T LET EUROPE BE FLOODED WITH REFUGEES, YOU'RE LITERALLY A NAZI!"

this nigga had a heart attack after seeing tits

>>15029184
>>15029345
In that case he is wrong, because fascism with all other political ideology is a production of a Christian worldview, while poetry is plainly a pagan invention and has no place in a Christian world.
Verse prescribes certain ways of speaking, it demands "good conduct", it is tyrannical, it supposes that there is a natural hierarchy of High and Low, Good and Bad, Lofty and Vulgar
But "High and Low" mean nothing in a Christian world where everybody partakes in the spirit of God, and where all the Earth will be destroyed and all distinctions be made vain - it accepts only Moral and Immoral, to which all must submit - this is the real source of totalitarianism
In this sense, to write poetry today is an act of rebellion towards everything tyrannical committed in the last few centuries - especially when one writes with a strict metre, rhyme, adopting classical and lofty subjects

>>15029184
>noooooooo life revolves around one bad experience for my people you can't just ignore it or have it as a flicker in the background that you think of maybe once a week you can't write poetry noooo

>>15032212
All of the pagan virtues were assimilated into Christianity. High and Low come second to Good and Bad. Christianity simply tells you where the buck stops.

>>15032296
No. Magnificence is not a Christian virtue, nor is valour, nor magnanimity. The Moral and Immoral are expansionist by nature: they cannot take any other virtue as their "second". As soon as they are introduced, they grow and devour everything else.

>>15029601
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

>>15029351
Maybe because there's a difference between not seeing enough evidence of an event happening and agreeing that said event should have happened?

>>15030918
The numbers literally just mean he was in a concentration camp. Yes, forced labor was common in said camps, yes, people died all the time during times of war, but there's a difference between that and genocide.

>>15032449

Auschwitz was the only camp that did tattooing and they railroaded all the prisoners through the death camp first for selection before sending them to the labor camps if they managed to avoid the gas.

So yes, just about everyone who was in Auschwitz and survived can be considered a survivor of a genocide regardless of whether or not they were Jewish because 90% of arrivals didn't even live long enough to get the tats.

>>15029189
BASED AND RED-PILLED

>>15032743
>if they managed to avoid the gas
Does anyone actually believes on gas chambers? It's literally one of the less efficient methods of killing.

>>15029601
>yeah im going to go ahead and believe it's bullshit without even looking into it
You can literally go to jail for believing a different number (not denying, just believing a different number) where I come from.

>>15029725
>how can you justify rounding up millions of civilians, including children, and forcing them into barbaric prisons?
How many times do we have to go through the cycle of letting Jews in our societies, becoming subverted and caught in their web of usury, and then kicking them out only to start this whole cycle over again? The history of the Jews and their actions against gentile societies is vast and will never end peacefully. Extermination is the only viable solution in a globalized world, especially when the Jew today is truly international, global. Young Jews become adult Jews, “civilian” Jews still have the Jewish nature. They act as they do without knowing what they are doing and why others hate them so much

>>15032743
>because 90% of arrivals didn't even live long enough to get the tats.
Lmao even the heebs writing the official narrative weren’t this brazen.

>>15032763
The chambers were usually just for the final punch.

>>15032986
True, the masturbation machines and holocoasters did most of the heavy lifting.

>>15029849
This is 100% unironically true, but I want you guys to remember grub street or the pulp boom of the 50s. True art has never been apart of this conglomerate. It always occurs as an aberration, a true event taking place beyond the boundaries if defined experience.

Why? Poetry is such a tool. In fact, poetry does a far better job at showing depression and horrors than a novel every could.

>>15029184
Suffer with me goyim

>>15032986
You mean when the war was almost over, the supply lines were all broken, there were diseases spreading through the country and some places couldn't even get food properly? Gas chambers are the single thing that made me absolutely see through the fucking lie. It's fucking absurd.

I still think that if all Right Wingers vanished, the world would shine in a brilliant age of art and progress in all aspects

>>15033384
It was used with the useless ones who couldn't be used as forced labour anymore. Zyklon B was relatively cheap and more useful that bullets so they just herded the exhausted labourers into the chamber.

>>15029184
>implying calling me a barbarian will stop me

>>15030165
damn those are some wrinkly ass hands, what book is this anon?

>>15033391
Art is mostly controlled by left wing degenerate homo kikes. Where is your progress and brilliant age of art?

>>15033405
How was Zyklon B used tho? Those are pellets with cyanide and but it never meant to evaporate. There is sugar in it too so rats and mice can eat and die from it. There was a test on the internet where they sprinkled zyklon b pellets in a tiny room with 3people and nothing happened

>>15033405
>It was used with the useless ones who couldn't be used as forced labour anymore
It's not the purpose that makes no sense it's the logistics of delivering the fucking thing and maintaining it. There are cheaper ways to kill, there are more efficient ways to kill, there are cheaper and more efficient ways to kill that have been used since the middle ages. It was fucking 194x no gas was cheaply produced, the sheer amount necessary to actually kill is ridiculous, you'd literally have an easier time putting a plastic bag on someone's head.

>>15033436
We're on lit, Pole

>>15029458
Exactly how many of them went? Looking at their population numbers, there was an increase in jews. Most deniers don’t say Jews didn’t die but they think the circumstances weren’t so sinister. They see Jews in the holocaust as prisoners of war where most of them died due to starvation from lack of resources (caused by two front war) and typhus (hence the cutting of hair and spraying with chemicals). While I do believe in the Holocaust, I’m skeptical of many of the practices and events claimed such as the gas chambers and systematic cremations. Also I don’t think it’s so unreasonable to think the Russians, who were/are masters of propaganda, exaggerated or made up a good deal. Additionally, jews love playing the eternal victim, but don’t you dare bring up how jewish leaders in Russia killed 120 million Russians. No no we wouldn’t want to make them feel bad

>>15033004
KEK
I remember having such a good laugh at the jews when I read about the holocoaster. Oh those Jews! What will they think up next? We have new holocaust survivors every year lol and they keep getting younger and younger

>>15032952
>the official narrative
The official narrative is collapsing. Watch for revisionist buttressing like this because that is all that can sustain the myth at this point.

>>15033457
Not him, but I believe the pellets had to be heated. I believe these pellets to be the actual source of cyanide for the actual gas chamber that was used for fumigating lice infested clothing. I would check into this before I repeated that any more.

Guys. >>/pol/ is there

>millions of Ukrainians starve to death in a man-made famine
>Adorno dont care
>WW1 causes millions to die in the most horrific and senseless meatgrinder ever seen
>Adorno dont care
>Cattle slavery throughout the world
>Adorno dont care
>Armenian genocide
>Adorno dont care
>Massacres in the early USSR
>Adorno dont care
>tens of millions die in Maoist China
>Adorno dont care
>Japanese commit horrific genocide in China
>Adorno cares a tiny, tiny bit
>6 million jews get gassed
>Adorno proclaims that this is the most evil thing ever seen in history
I actually like Adorno far more than this post might suggest, but he's a fucking hypocrite.

>>15030912

Yeah, I'm thinking it's pretty based

>>15034952
It's a bit much to demand that any critics of their own culture should also overextend and dissect all the other ones, or else label them a hypocrite. The sharpest criticism of any culture will always come from within.

>>15029189
>ausrotten means uproot
Nazi dicksuck doesn't know German. Shocking.
ausrotten:
>to extirpate
>to kill off
>to eradicate sth.
>to exterminate sth.
>to wipe out sth.
>to extermine

>>15029345
based