/lit/ - Literature

>>15006092
Africa

>>15006097
Africa isn't a country

France and Britain

>>15006092
I hate you

>>15006092
Aren't half of adult Americans unable to read on an 8th grade level?

Emerson
Whitman
Melville
Hawthorne
Twain
Fitzgerald
Eliot
Pound
Cummings
Williams
Hemingway
Faulkner
Stein
O'Connor
Miller
Kerouac
Burroughs
Ellison
Mailer
Dick
Pynchon
Bob Dylan
Gaddis
DeLillo
Barth
Coover
Auster
Gass
McCarthy
Wallace
Lerner

yeah i'm thinking we're based

>>15006092
Maybe at one point. Name me 5 great living american novelists who are still writing.

>>15006092
France is 100x richer. Not even close.

>>15006166
>Kerouac
Agree on the rest but fucked it up, pal.

>>15006129
Hardy har har I'm actually the last one to stick up for America but technically we're the most educated country by far and have the most scholars as well. In addition to this we have the most accredited universities as well as the most technical capabilities. Much of this is because education in America is valued by Americans, so we make it a priority. That said, it should be a priority in every country which is what many of our ambassadors to other countries teach the leaders of those countries, with respect to education. As it relates to reading specifically, that is also something that we excel at. Our literacy rates are one of the highest ever, and that's not even including how young of a age Americans start reading at, which is one of the youngest in the world.

Reading is actually a pastime in America just like baseball, and if you explore further you will notice that reading actually predates baseball as an American pastime. It should be noted that reading isn't the only pastime that America enjoys. Americans also enjoy baseball among various other pastimes. But don't be fooled by the common saying that "Americans can't read," because we can. And you know what else? We enjoy it.

>>15006212
Hell no. Kerouac's there more than most the others. A true poet.

>>15006222
Disagree. He's food for pseuds.

>>15006166
And somehow
King is still more read in america that all of those together
Good Job America

>>15006231
We're talking about the grandeur of the literary tradition, not the general population. One's not relevant to the other.

>>15006092
Ireland

>>15006092
Germany
as a state existing only for a few centuries, but as a nation being ancient
much better

>>15006312
Ireland has fewer talented writers (or just fewer writers in general), but the quality of their best talent so vastly outperforms nearly any other nation. Joyce, Beckett, Yates, O'Brien, Wilde, Swift, Shaw...

>>15006341
>Ireland has fewer talented writers
Also a smaller population, big brains.

>>15006341
>Yates
Come tf on

>>15006358
What the fuck did you think I meant by "fewer writers in general", retard?

>2+2=......

Looking for some unsung 20th century American classics

>>15006413
Breece D'J Pancake

>>15006341
>Yates
Bruh

>>15006166
>bob dylan

Moby Dick is the single greatest piece of literature ever written.

I'd say whatever country birthed an author so great that he could write such a novel be automatically named the greater literary force on the planet.

>>15006166
>Emerson
>Whitman
>Melville
>Eliot
>Pound
>McCarthy
>Faulkner
Are the only ones on that long ass padded out list worth anything.

>>15006092
best american novelists and novelist-adjacents
Melville, Emerson, Morrison, Poe, Hawthorne, Faulkner, Pynchon, DeLillo, Percival Everett, Lydia Davis, richard Powers

thats it. Thats the team

>>15006564
A list of around 12 great writers is pretty good for such a young nation

>>15006341
I forgot swift was irish lol
Why are anglos so shit at prose anyways

>>15006991
Don't forget, Swift was one hell of a scat poet too. If he was alive today he probably would've shitposted here

>>15006092
Russia
China
Japan
Germany
France
Britain
Spain
Greece
Iran
Egypt
India

>>15006092
Tajikistan

>>15006341
Shaw was a moralizing hack, worse than dickins

>>15007068
>Shaw was a moralizing hack, worse than dickins
He wasn't a psychoanalyst like Ibsen or Cervantes, he worked from the outside crafting characters as Mouthpieces or Butts. Still he was full of ideas and Caesar & Cleopatra could use a remake on film.

>>15006205
Yes it must be France by a long shot. Even the short story is dominated by the likes of Maupassant and Theophile Gautier.

>>15007503
>Maupassant and Theophile Gautier
Literally whos?

>>15007508
>not knowing Maupassant

>>15006564
gaddis
nabokov

>>15007528
>Nabokov
>American

>Solitude, the safeguard of mediocrity, is to genius the stern friend, the cold, obscure shelter where moot the wings which will bear it farther than sun and stars.
- Emerson, the Conduct of Life, 1860

>>15007614
*molt the wings

>>15007542
yep

>>15007491
>a story is either to be considered as a story, or as a treatise, which, besides that, added many things for profit and ornament. As a story, he is nothing but a narration of things done, with the beginnings, causes and appendices thereof.
- Philip Sidney, 1580

USA is entry-level, Czech Republic is patrician

Kafka
Hrabal
Capek
Hasek
Ladislav Klima

>>15006166
Mediocre list. Having Coover but not Carver? Kerouac but no Barthelme? Stein but no Zukofsky, Olson, or Oppen? Not to mention Dickinson, Baldwin, McKay, Henry fucking James etc.

But yeah, Bob Dylan won the Nobel Prize, sweet.

>>15007542
Nabokov wrote in english and lived in america for the majority of his life

>>15006551
Dickinson is good but unless I'm retarded it appears they didn't list her. Ellison is also pretty good.

>>15006312
>irish authors
>can't even write in irish

As an American ultra-nationalist, you can't beat the UK in the the 1800's.

>>15006166
>Bob Dylan
>based
pick one, and only one

>>15007966
Russia's 1800s output was vastly superior though, at least in prose.

>>15007966
Victorian literature us pure trash

>>15008009
George Eliot is decent.

>>15006103
SBPB

>>15006219
This.

Education is a founding principle of the nation.

>>15006547
Not even close to the greatest.
Why are all anglos such fucking pseuds?

>>15006092
Russia
France
Britain
Ireland
Italy
Spain

>>15006129
It's not the vocabulary that counts, but the subjection to absurdism with at least a sprinkle of violence

>>15007715
I haven't read them. Can't vouch for them.

>>15006092
Amen. And then Ireland, England, and Canada. I am familiar with the Manga of Japan but I couldnt place their country in my ranking as I do not like reading translations.

>>15006194
Name me 5 great living novelists from any single country who are still writing

>>15006092
USA has some strong novelists but is let down because it only started to git gud after poetry was already falling out of fashion, and the verse tradition it did create is excessively modernist.

The largest and oldest European countries: Italy, France, England, Germany, Spain, have the greatest depth and variety to their national literature. Even if you think USA wins from 19th century onward, which is doubtful, a country like England has Anglo-Saxon warrior poems, Medieval dream allegories, Renaissance tragedies, Baroque metaphysical lyrics and Augustan novels even before you reach that point, each representing a unique and distinctive style of development in the language and form of that nation's literature.

>>15007643
at most Russian-American

That is to say, I could live happily for the rest of my life only reading English authors born before the first gud American one (Hawthorne? idk). The ones in direct competition with US literature are simply the icing on the cake.

>>15006533
>>15007971
Bob Dylan is one of the greatest rock artists and songwriters of all time, fuck off

France, Russia, UK, Italy, China, Spain, Japan, India, Germany, Austria, Danemark, Sweden, Poland, Turkey, Egypt to name a few.

>>15008997
Oh yeah forgot greece but I mean, it is just obvious right

>>15006219
I thought I was having a stroke when I read your post

>>15007940
Historical context, brainlet. Here is your (you).

>>15007966
Imagine thinking moralizing trash like dickins is good

>>15006551
>Whitman
>Pound
>worth anything

>>15008967
What is more American than a Hyphen-American?

>>15006231
Blackpilled again.

>>15008876
I asked first, mutt. Don't avoid the question.

>>15006092
Iraq

>>15006226
His books literally mock pseuds at every turn of the page

>>15007966
You aren’t a real American

>>15008786
What do you think it is, then, shitskin?