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Learn Greek.

>> No.15000012

Based

>> No.15000046

>>14999999
Am doing it, but it takes time.

>> No.15000052

>>14999999
Sanskrit is better

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>>14999999
Checked fren

>> No.15000066

>>14999999
>literally gets fourteen nines in a row

is this
..........the greatest get
.....................................of all time
......................................................?

>> No.15000138

>>150000000

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>>14999999
Wilco.

>> No.15000145

>>15000052
based.......

>> No.15000147

>>15000000

>> No.15000148

>>15000000
Omg

>> No.15000159

>>14999999
Well fuck, guess I know how I'm spending self-isolation

>> No.15000173

>>15000052
Yeah but Greek is also good and it will make you better at learning Sanskrit. You can begin learning Latin on a mere whim, then move onto Greek and Sanskrit on a velleity. But a dilettante who tries to learn Sanskrit, from scratch, without good reason for doing so is apt to give up, I'd imagine.

>> No.15000198

>>15000001

>> No.15000390

>>14999999
Ἤδη λέγω Ἑλληνῐκῶς

>> No.15000407

>>15000173
How long did it take you to start to read Plato and Homer?

I'm studying some Latin and can read some classical poetry provided I read a translation first, but it's quite difficult because of the grammar, I have a hard time memorizing all the declensions.

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>>14999999
Checked

>> No.15000457

>>15000407
Well, I learned the basics of Greek over a summer and took a course where we read the Symposium in the fall. Plato is significantly easier for a beginner than Homer though. By the sound of it, it might take you a bit longer though--I don't mean to be condescending, but grammar was never a difficulty and always a pleasant diversion for me.

>> No.15000505

>>15000457
Well, the grammar is not difficult per se, but I am finding it a little bit unusual to study it first. I never had to bother with the grammar when learning a language before (I learned English through osmosis and the other languages I know are romance, so it's the same grammar as my native one), and I am finding it somewhat boring.

Did you just memorize all the declensions or did you read through a textbook like Mastronarde? Is there any textbook you recommend over the others? I am trying to memorize everything at once because I wish to learn it fast.

With Latin it's much easier because the vocab. is very similar to my native tongue, so I can memorize poetry and listen to music in order to help it, but with Ancient Greek it's a different matter, since I can't really make sense of the poems yet.

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>>15000431
Big show off culture amongst Brazilian women. They all like to lay everything bare. A BR woman's greatest dream is for the Playboy magazine to come back so that they might be on the cover someday. Big whores the lot of them, including the so-called ''intellectual'' ones, these are the whorest of them all, as I myself have personally being able to discover.

>> No.15000538

>>14999999 (checked)
Show I start with Koine, Attic or Epic?

>> No.15000560

>>15000538
They aren't that different you retard. Hmmmmmm, do I start with RP or pidgin English?

>> No.15000561 [DELETED] 

>>14999292
Unironically that guy has a better ass and I’m not even gay

>> No.15000565

WHO IS SHE

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>>14999999
yes sir

>> No.15001058

>>15000505
Yeah, the process of learning a classical language is very different from that of learning a living one lol. Trust me though, it's easier that way. I learned Latin grammar out of this weird common-domain book from the 1920s and that worked out fine for me, but another one I've seen used is Wheelock's Latin. I'm sure you can find copious discussion about the best textbook online though. I would just say: don't assume that you will arrive at a fluent understanding of the texts from your knowledge of cognates alone, and find something with a robust set of excercises without being tedious. As Nietzsche said, one of the chief virtues that a study of the classics inculcates is the ability to read slow, giving every part of the text its due attention. So take the opportunity to enrich your understanding of the language you use every day by means of this grammar. And yes, remembering things like declensions and conjugations becomes second nature after only a short while, but you need to put in the work first.

I'll add that, with Greek, you need to be prepared not only for less obvious vocabulary, but also a MUCH less regular grammar that, funnily enough, you kind of just need to get a feel for through something like "osmosis," in the form of doing lots of exercises and reading lots of texts. The Greek verb, especially, is a system of exceptions within exceptions (think of German verbs if German had three moods, three voices, three numbers, and five tenses).

Thankfully with Sanskrit you get the return of regularity, but it's just such a vast and deep system that you could easily spend a decade mastering it fully.

>> No.15001166

>>15000457
Liking grammar means you are an autistic moon brain

>> No.15001205

>>15000538
Most books will teach Koine since Attic is a dialect. "Epic" doesn't really exist as a dialect, but Homeric Greek is probably not the best place to start even if you're end goal is Homer because some of the grammar and vocabulary you will encounter in Homer doesn't appear elsewhere with any frequency (for example the dual).

>> No.15001213

>>15001166
Not liking it means you are a pleb, plain and simple. Being a pleb is fine, but to be both a pleb and a 4chan user is one of the worst fates that can befall a man.

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15001219

NO

>> No.15001225

>>15001205
Most textbooks teach Attic, actually. Koine is simplified.

>> No.15001235

>>14999999
lmao no, learn german

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>>15001235

>> No.15001255

Please give your rankings of these ancient languages:

Latin
Greek
Egyptian
Arabic
Avestan
Sanskrit
Pali
Chinese

>> No.15001256

Why?

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>>15001255
Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shiy

>> No.15001275

>>15001232
is it not disdain? true intellectual

>> No.15001277

>>15001255
I don't know all of them but
1. Latin (dearest to my heart, the most dignified language on Earth to my Western ear)
2. Sanskrit
3. Chinese probably???? I want to learn it
4. Arabic
5. Greek
6. Pali (little more than a degraded Sanskrit, though it certainly has a rich corpus as far as religion goes)
7. Egyptian (little more than a novelty)
8. Avestan (only nerds would be interested in this one)

>>15001267
based monky

>> No.15001285

>>15001277
Oh and if I may, I would add Tamil (a classical language with a beautiful, highly systematized corpus of poetry dating from at least the 4th century and probably as early as the 1st century BCE) in between Greek and Pali.

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>>14999999
>Learn Greek

>> No.15001393

>>15001385
gay
now fuck off to whatever manosphere shithole you came from

>> No.15001498

>>14999999
check'd
I'm learning German bc the Germans were the greatest thinkers of all time
im learning pretty quickly with anki + browsing kohlchan

>> No.15001508

>>15001255
>no hebrew
אתה רע

>> No.15001515

>>15001387
t. soiboy bugman

>> No.15001923

>>15001508
זְכַרְיָה

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15001950

>>14999999
Learn Akkadian.

>> No.15001996

>>15001498
me too. verbal comprehension time, how many of this turk's jokes can you understand?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb1DHxY9wQg

>> No.15002201

>>14999999
But which pronunciation should I use?

>> No.15002226

>>14999999
Why tho

>> No.15002232

>>15001950
Based
Is there much Akkadian or Sumerian lit though?
I legit think people should learn Coptic

>>15002201
Koine

>> No.15002242

>>15002232
>Is there much Akkadian or Sumerian lit though?
The Mesopotamian text corpus is the largest of all ancient (BC) languages, so yes. I recommend the anthology book ''Before the Muses'' as a starting point.

>> No.15002247

where is that guy with the black hand who posted the mega link with language learning books?

>> No.15002255

>>15002242
What else do you suggest?
Is there an Akkadian revival movement?

>> No.15002262

>>15001255
Latin = Greek = Sanskrit = Pali = Chinese (I assume you mean classical) = Avestan = Egyptian >>>>>>>>>> Arabic.

Lumping Arabic in with the rest is a meme, for several reasons. For one, it's not nearly as old as them ("Classical" Arabic is from the 600sAD, the rest are all 200BCish). Secondly, there is absolutely zero worth in studying Arabic unless you're interested in Islam to an autistic level. If you are, I'm sorry for your brain damage and poor choice of hobby.

>>15002201
Latin? Classical. You learn Latin to read things by men who worshiped Jupiter and spoke the language naturally, nobody learns Latin to read things by nerds in a monastery. The Latin they would have used would have just been applying their language's phonology to Latin anyways ("een no-meen pay-try eet speerit-uh sanktae, ay-men"), and what really matters is their ideas, which translation conveys just fine (You don't have to read William of Ockham in Latin to understand his ideas).

Greek? Whatever the proper pronunciation of the variety you're learning is. Classical? Classical. Koine? Koine. Byzantine? Byzantine. Ottoman? Ottoman. Modern? Modern.

>> No.15002266

>>15001950
>>15002232
Learning Akkadian over more important and fruitful languages like Greek, Sanskrit, Latin, etc. makes absolutely no sense unless you're insanely obsessed with Mesopotamia.

>> No.15002279

>>15002266
What about Coptic though? It's still a living language, but nearing extinction.

>> No.15002282

>>15002266
Counterpoint: There is no Semitic equivalent to Dumezil's works, and the Semitic world as a whole is essentially a mystery. It doesn't have to be this way; be the change you want to see in the world.

>> No.15002300

>>15002201
They all have their ups and downs really.
Problem with reconstructions imo is:
1. There will always be disagreements as to how it actually was and when.
2. It's nearly impossible to get pre-Koine accents and lengths correctly, you need a ton of training.

>> No.15002309

I ordered Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata. Should be coming in a few days. Can’t wait. I’m also using Wheelock’s Latin on my kindle.

I’d like to brush up on my native Lithuanian. I can speak at a conversational level but I’m nowhere near fluent. Problem is I can’t find any good resources for it online because it’s such an unimportant language.

>> No.15002312

>>15002300
What about the guy's in this vid?
https://youtu.be/JjRBDJkiRHs

>> No.15002317

>>15000052
Sanskrit was extra subject in high school. After High school never picked up again mostly forgot every thing.

>> No.15002319

>>15000538
Byzantine. Fuck the dual and optative and all that nonsense.

>> No.15002322

>>15002309
How is it that you are not fluent in your native language?

>> No.15002325

>>15002201
Using the classical pronunciation for Latin will make the language harder. Using the modern pronunciation for Greek will make the language harder.

>> No.15002326

>>15002309
You're... not fluent in your native language? What? Is it even strictly possible to define something as someone's native language if they aren't fluent in it?

>> No.15002328

>>15002322
Not that guy, but a lot of the time when you emigrate to a different country, say, it can happen. I know a guy who grew up speaking gaelic, but hasn't spoken it since he was like 10 and had to go back and relearn a lot of it recently.

>> No.15002338

>>15002325
>Using the modern pronunciation for Greek will make the language harder.
Not even close to true. Iotacism and the silence of virtually all diacritical marks makes reading Greek a breeze.

>> No.15002342

>>15002326
>A first language, native language or mother/father/parent tongue, is a language that a person has been exposed to from birth or within the critical period. In some countries, the term native language or mother tongue refers to the language of one's ethnic group rather than one's first language.
Native language doesn't necessarily mean most often spoken, it just refers to the language you adopted at birth. Plenty of people forget their native language, I actually had a Lithuanian friend who is barely conversational in it.

>> No.15002344

>>15002325
Learning Latin is absolutely not harder using the classical pronunciation.

>> No.15002353

>>15002322
>>15002326
Native language just means first language, or the language you were exposed to in the period of youth where your brain is most pliable. What people call the “critical period” for language acquisition.
I was born in Lithuania and spoke it until I emigrated with my family as a child.

>> No.15002364

>>15002338
Yes it is true, because modern Greek only has five vowel sounds, so many of the vowels, diphthongs, etc. end up getting pronounced the same, so knowing how to spell words ceases to be phonetic and becomes much harder.
>>15002344
It is because you have to memorize all vowel quantities which would only otherwise be relevant in the penultimate syllable for stress determination.

>> No.15002388

>>15002364
>It is because you have to memorize all vowel quantities
Textbooks will even tell you to memorize vowels with hidden quantity even though this has no practical value for anything other than LARPing as a Roman.

>> No.15002389

>>15002364
Simply not true - yes there's a difference between words like ānus, anūs and annus. But to say that makes it difficult is just ridiculous.

>> No.15002409

>>15002389
I'm referring to memorizing all of the vowel quantities for thousands of words, not the most simple example you can think of. If you're concerned with classical metrical scansion it would be necessary, but not everyone may be interested in that.

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>>15002201
Naturally koine. The best literature is written in it.

>> No.15002429

>>15002409
You can get a well edited copy of the text, or get one without and mark the macrons in yourself. Use something like the Per Se Illustrata series as a reference.

My use of those words is to make the point that very similar but different words rely on macrons for sense, so it's best to memorise words like that. After that it's child's play, but when speaking it ... everyone makes mistakes in their native language, so I wouldn't worry about it.

>> No.15002470

Imma smash dat dere pussay while you nerds smash your head against declension tables lmao

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>>14999999
Know any website where I could learn it?

>> No.15002492

What does everyone think of Lingua Graecia per se Illustrata? It's an internet project for learning Ancient Greek via the natural method - obviously based on Lingua Latina.

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>>15001255
>no Old Church Slavonic
What a pleb.

>> No.15002517

>>15002429
Have you studied Latin very much? With words like ānus/anus, when you read an actual Latin text that isn't in a beginner's book, the vowel quantities are not marked. The fact that you know there are two different pronunciations which mean different things, well, it isn't going to help you because (at least in the nominative) they're going to look exactly the same and you're going to have to tell the difference from context or inflection. Knowing the quantities is meaningless outside of metrical scansion.

>> No.15002530

>>15002517
Similarly with, for example, the 1st decl. sing. abl. case, which is -ā. This isn't going to be marked in modern Latin editions, so knowing that it's pronounced with long quantity is meaningless since it's going to look the same as the nominative and you're going to have to figure out that it's the ablative from the context.

>> No.15002547

>>15002517
Yeah, I have. I always try to add the macrons on my copies of the texts with a pencil. When I was studying Virgil, that was basically the first thing I did. I'm an autist.

>> No.15002555

>>15002547
If this is the sort of thing that you're concerned with, then it's a good idea to learn vowel quantities -- I'm not condemning it wholesale. But for most people this only erects an unnecessary barrier that makes the language harder and more alien for no benefit whatsoever. It's no surprise that its study is primarily relegated to classics departments today, as it's treated as a historical artifact.

>> No.15002559

>>15002492
Obviously lacks graphic illustration

>> No.15002577

Guys, remembering the vowel quantities isn't even hard. Just do jt

>> No.15002604

>>15002486
Not sure about websites (there are some contain lessons, can't name them but you can find them easily), but you can just download a textbook from LibGen.
textkit.com has resources.

>> No.15002607

>>15002555
Yeah, I get what you mean. Ultimately I guess I can say learning Latin using the classical pronunciation doesn't make it any, (or I guess much) harder - that's been my experience anyway.

I'm not terribly interested in saying every word perfectly, I'm not that much of an autist. Just so long as it aids sense. I've found not a huge amount of words have absolutely needed me adding macrons anyway.

I think they should make the use of macrons a standard in Latin books, but whatever.

>> No.15002619

>>14999999
incredibly impressive

>> No.15002621

Reconstructed Greek pronunciation has α ι υ quantities too.

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學中文

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>>15002470
Same but I'm gonna masturbate to drawings of 2D children instead sticking my dick inside of an actual woman

>> No.15002663

>>15002637
based...

>>15002654
cringe

>> No.15002676

>>15001515
how am i a soiboy for learning greek. the greeks were big muscly boys. i am the meatboy, the meatiest boy

>> No.15002693

>>15002676
The Greeks lived thousands of years and already submitted to gay-ass Christianity long ago. Following the Greeks just means you admire other people's accomplishments without having any of your own.

>> No.15002716

>>15000000

>> No.15002737

>>15002693
A knowledge of history is necessary for any attempt at accomplishing great things. In facf the category of "great things" is almost unintelligible without knowing what came before you.

>> No.15002741

Official rankings of languages
1: Latin
2: Greek
3: Persian
4: Everything else

>> No.15002802

>>15002676
I didn't imply that, I called out the soiboy who greentexted "learn greek" with a soijak.

>> No.15002815

>>14999999
*THROWS A PLATE AT YOU*
AM I LEARNING ANON?

>> No.15002817

>>15002741
>Latin better than Greek
No. Literally directly inferior. The noble Romans all spoke Greek for a reason.

>> No.15002819

>>15002502

based

>> No.15002828

Already know modern Greek, learning Ancient Greek now.

>> No.15002941

>>15002255
>What else do you suggest?
The wikipedia page on Akkadian literature unironically gives a great overview of the corpus.
>Is there an Akkadian revival movement?
Not really - Assyriology has pretty steadily been an extremely obscure academic field since the late 19th century.
>>15002266
>being interested in the earliest corpus of literature (if you're counting Sumerian, which you should, because Akkadian represents an intimate continuum and symbiosis with that language) makes no sense
Intellectual curiosity always makes sense, imo.
>Akkadian isn't as important as the mentioned languages
Historically, this is simply wrong. Akkadian was the lingua franca of the Late Bronze Age Middle East, and there are direct antecedents in the writings of that language to Greek and Hebrew texts.
>>15002282
I would not call the Semitic world a 'mystery' per se, but it is definitely extremely underresearched compared to the classical one.

>> No.15002998

>>15002941
Well, Akkadian was historically an important language in the Bronze Age Middle East indeed (Greek also became that), but I don't think it has any Homer, Plato, the New Testament etc. tier important texts as Greek does. In any case, you did convinceme to take a glance at 'Introduction to Akkadian', just to get a taste of it.

>> No.15003041

>>15002998
>but I don't think it has any Homer, Plato, the New Testament etc. tier important texts
In a sense, this is true - but some of the most essential texts were born from earlier Akkadian/Sumerian texts. I think it misrepresents the importance of this stage in literature/thought to dismiss it, because it does not have directly world-altering texts. The wisdom books of the old testament are Mesopotamian, Hesiod is Mesopotamian, Arabic debate literature is Mesopotamian etc. It is important not because it created the texts that stood the test of time (well, Gilgamesh survived for over 2000-years, so we'll have to see what happens with the NT), but because their writings influenced these texts. I will concede the point about them not having a Plato-like (their Homer was Gilgamesh, Erra and Ishum, Enuma Elish).

I will also concede that the nascent writings of the human species interest me greatly (and perhaps irrationally), so i have a tendency to see value in them because of their formative nature.

>> No.15003050

Does anyone have recommendations of books or other resources for learning Greek?

>> No.15003066

>>15002998
Ah, also forgot Hammurabi's Laws - the book of Exodus.

There's a reason why many Assyriologists also are Biblical scholars.

>> No.15003102

>>15003050
Have you tried getting a Greek-English dictionary?

>> No.15003135

>>15003050
We should make a chart for this.

>> No.15003140

>>15003135
And for Latin too.

>> No.15003151

>>14999999
I start Koine Greek next semester.

>> No.15003157

>>15003135
>>15003140
I'm about to CHART

>> No.15003161

>>15003135
I honestly don't think there'd be much to put it - one good grammar book, one bilingual dictionary, and progressing from reading works with lots of concrete, visual imagery to works with more abstract prose and poetry

>> No.15003173

Suggestion
Try using Learning with Texts to quickly look words up and save them
http://lwt.sourceforge.net/

>> No.15003187

>>15003050
JACT

>> No.15003207

>>15003187
Also Athenaze

>> No.15003268

>>15003050
I'm working with Luschnig's An Introduction to Ancient Greek, A Literary approach.
It's good to me.

>> No.15003342

>>14999999
I ordered a book but all couriers are quarantined here.

>> No.15003439

>>15002941
>Not really - Assyriology has pretty steadily been an extremely obscure academic field since the late 19th century.
I remember finding an old webpage of an ancient near east professor and being blow away by how much stuff we have from that period.

>> No.15003746

>>15003439
We do, it's completely out of proportion compared to the size of the field itself.

>> No.15003750

>>15000000

>> No.15004191

Bumpignon

>> No.15004216

>>14999999
holy FUCK those are some sweetass digits, might learn a few phrases just based on those alone

>> No.15004222

>>15004191
kek :D

>> No.15004229

>>15004216
imagine this power that 4chan has over people, and then apply it to the context of /pol/
no wonder we are infamous for criminality

>> No.15004353

>>14999999
Whatever you say numbers man

>> No.15004821

>>14999999
As you demand king.

>> No.15005124

What is harder: one of the classical languages(Latin/Greek) or Chinese?

>> No.15005130

>>15005124
Greek is harder (I'm a Latin speaker).

>> No.15005893

>>14999999
Based. This is a sign. I will finally learn to read God's Word in its original.

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>>15001255
1. Sumerian
2. Akkadian
3. Greek (Homeric, then Attic)
4. Latin
5. Sanskrit
rest don't matter

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15006064

Do I start with modern, koine, or ancient?

>> No.15006083

>>15006064
Attic > Homeric > any other ancient dialects you'd like > Koine > Modern
Ancient dialects are most difficult and Attic is useful because of its peculiarities, making other dialects a bit easier to learn after Attic

>> No.15006089

>>15006083
So obviously I'd learn the easier dialect first, right?

>> No.15006095

>>15001996
I just started like 2 weeks ago so I only know like 500 words

>> No.15006182

>>15006089
Attic isn't significantly harder than the other dialects and forms, it's useful to learn first because it gets you a firm basis in the language and see how the language has changed overtime, at least that's what I think.

>> No.15006188

>>15006089
I was told by a native speaker of Greek abd Latin than the difference between Ancient and Modern Greek is like that difference between Anglo-Saxon and Modern English.

>> No.15006210

>>15006188
>Greek and English*
hurr

>> No.15006230

>>15006188
I doubt you found a "native speaker of Greek abf Latin", who happens to not know one shit about anglo-saxon and modern and ancient greek

>> No.15006234

>>15006210
Yeah that guy probably doesn't know anglo-saxon

>> No.15006365

>>15002492
I'll be interesting to see how it turns out

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>>15006064
i remember deka glossai saying to learn modern greek to a fairly good level (like a year or two of study) and then move backwards. This sounds pretty reasonable. Intuition tells us that a speaker of English will likely comprehend, say, Old English better than a non-English speaker. However, obviously nobody except the spergiest of language nerds will work backward from Modern Greek to Byzantine etc etc to Homer -- 99.99% of people would give up. The main benefit to knowing or learning modern greek before ancient is that you have access to extensive reading. You'd be suprised how much structural similarity Greek has maintained. In order to truly know a language to need to get accustomed to not only vocab+grammar, but also the manner in which, within those rules, the language-speakers express themselves. Extensive reading in ancient greek is not really possible, for reasons I could spend too much time on. But, this would be an ideal case, and unless you already have some motive to learn modern greek, I find it unlikely that you'll be diligent in study for 2 years or whatever when you don't really care.

Other people in the thread have said this too but you should first learn the dialect in which you want to read the most. Koinē for the New Testament, Attic for most extant drama and philsophy (although you'll want to get the idea of reading Plato out of your head for awhile -- that's far in the future).

It's a noble goal to want to be able to read Greek, and many have had it, but few succeed because they underestimate the amount of time you need to put in. You'll have to be okay with telling yourself that it will be a good couple years before you can just pick up a text, even an easy one, and understand most of it.

>> No.15006682

>>15005130
>Latin speaker

pls shut up

>> No.15007638
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>>1499999999999999999999999999999
Well shit now I have to

>> No.15007948

fucking digits checked my guy

>> No.15009105

>>14999999
learn demotic

>> No.15009404

>>15009105
Demotic is a Frankish/Jewish/Marxist construct to subvert Greek.

>> No.15009426

Greek here, y'all larping right?

First of all I'm humbled, but a word to the wise, this is not like fucking German, Spanish or English, this is a monstrously hard language that not even native Greeks can speak properly. You need years and true dedication to even reach a basic level of understanding. Ancient Greek is even harder than modern because it holds on to all the complex forms that were cut as aeons progressed for simplicity.

It's an incredibly rewarding language though, you can really start appreciating the progression of European history and languages by learning it, as well as all the true meanings used by sciences such as biology or mathematics.

>> No.15009611

>>15001205
Basic textbooks teach Ionio-Attic actually, the language of the great Classics, imitated by Atticists under Rome, so by far the best to learn; Koine is what you'd find in grammars of New Testament Greek e.g; (and I'm not even going to enter into the debates around the word itself...)
t. university lecturer in Greek

>> No.15009620

>>15002262
t. absolute pleb who doesn't read Medieval Latin literature...

>> No.15009632

>>15003050
Try the handbook Thrasymachus, starts with easy sentences, then gradually gets more complex, grammatical iniation along the way

>> No.15009633

>>15006188
Native speaker of Greek and Latin
LMAO, was he born in Antiquity? or brought up like Montaigne and Casaubon?

>> No.15009639

>>15009426
Hello Greek anon, and thanks for your informed input... I do not have the good fortune to be Greek, but as a Classics PhD I know enough to suppose most of the people here are just LARPing (I mean, they're honestly discussing Akkadian and Sumerian, and I doubt any know those languages)... Have anice day, dude

>> No.15009657

>>15009633
Greeks can learn basic Latin in high school if they opt for humanities/languages as a precursor class.

>> No.15009957

>>15009426
this is the greke.
they claim that if something is difficult it must be good. which is why they claim greek is difficult.

>> No.15010088

>>15009957
Εάν σε βρω μπροστά μου παλιοαρχίδι θα σε αρχίσω στις κλοτσιές, κατάλαβες? Ου να μου χαθείς, κόπρε. Θα σε σβήσω.

Translate this, bitchboi.

>> No.15010111

>>15009657
So what? I learned basic Latin in my American high school. Didn't have to opt for anything to do it, just fit my schedule. That doesn't make me a native speaker.

>> No.15010120

>>15010111
I didn't day that Greeks are, I'm just saying how we learn it.

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>>14999999
My God. Based Ancient Greek poster. Checked.

>> No.15010126

>>15010120
Say*

>> No.15010128

>>15009657
Yeah, so he's not a native speaker of Latin (nor of Ancient Greek, for that matter), QED

>> No.15010137

>>15010088
>δ*μοτική
Κρεμάσω σὲ ἐκ δένδρου.

>> No.15010155

>>15010137
>ΜΙΛΩ ΣΤΗ ΓΛΏΣΣΑ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΟΓΌΝΩΝ ΜΟΥ

Do you also believe in Δωδεκάθεο?

>> No.15010181

>>15010155
They wouldn't have used μιλω for a start

>> No.15010198

>>15010155
>φράζω ψευδῶς, ὁ γὰρ κυρίος Schulzwig Shekelstein οὔτω πράττειν πατᾔνησέ μοι!

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>>14999999
CHECKED - I suppose I have no choice but to learn it now.

>> No.15010372

>>15010122
Was the 56% meme started by a retard who didnt understand that graph?
It shows the population makeup by the number of individuals of a certain race, not the racial makeup of the average individual american

>> No.15010377

>>15010198
Διάστελλε

>> No.15010397

>>15010198
The virgin ancient Greek orator and philosopher
>>15010377
The Chad modern Greek shitposter

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15010477

𒋳 𒈠 𒀀 𒉿 𒈝 𒁀 𒉿 𒇴 𒌋 𒌒 𒁉 𒅕 𒈠 𒉈 𒉈 𒀀 𒀭 𒈾 𒄠 𒂊 𒇷 𒋗 𒀉 𒁲 𒈠 𒆷 𒊌 𒋾 𒅔 𒋗 𒈬 𒌒 𒁉 𒅕 𒋗 𒀉 𒁕 𒀝

>> No.15010613

>>15010198
>πατᾔνησέ
I don't get this one

>> No.15010745

>>15009426
It's so impossibly hard that all classics students in any University worth paying tuition for learn it

>> No.15010766

>>15010745
It's not impossibly hard if you are learning it at a university level, it's hard compared to learning contemporary languages.

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15010779

https://mega.nz/#F!9o4QEIIK!P3piz8Bfw-z7jgb7Q8NWDg

>> No.15010893

>>15010613
Typo, meant to type παρῄνησε (παραινέω)

>> No.15010909

>>15010779
Nice

>> No.15010923

I already speak the greek of the modern times (american)

>> No.15011348

>>14999999
CHECKED

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15011400

Why learn the language or yesterday when you can read the language of yesterday and tomorrow?

>> No.15011415

>>15011400
read zhuangzi, zheng

>> No.15011533

>>15011400
every person in this photo eats bats

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>>14999999
Αράπης

>> No.15011710

Greeks can suck on my nutz just like they sucked on Roman nuts.

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>>15011588

>> No.15011874

>>15011415
>>15011533
Oh noes not bats.

>> No.15012417

Bump

>> No.15012426

>>15012417
Χτύπημα*

>> No.15012503

>>15012426
*𒄭 𒅁 𒋧

>> No.15012543

>>15000173
>>velleity

You can't move onto Sanskrit on a velleity, because doing so would constitute an action.

>> No.15012609

I'm thinking about focusing on Medieval Latin literature instead of Classical. Everyone focuses on Classical, but no one studies Medieval despite medievalism being popular and having a goldmine of untranslated work.

>> No.15013022

>>14999999
No! I'm learning French instead

>> No.15013451

>>15002322
>>15002353

I'm more fluent in english than in spanish.
I've been reading, listening and shitposting in english for so long that I've a voice in my head in english and other in spanish.

>> No.15013528

Sie. Nou, I wid gie ae prie til daean at but it luikis naur lyk it wid be ae fass ti lair yae neu weyis but mibbie in forrit and ayont I sal.

>> No.15013558

>>15013451
If you have more than one voice at a time in your head it might be schizophrenia anon

>> No.15013566

>>15013451
a voice in my head in english and another in spanish.