/lit/ - Literature

>>14991229
Have you tried Buddhism?

men among the ruins or antifragile.

>>14991246

I'm not looking for some cucked "abandon your desires" bullshit like stoicism or buddhism.

>>14991229

In the following order
>Fanged noumena
>12 lessons for life
>Wealth of nations
>Intelligent investor
>Alchemy of finance
>Options, Futures and Other Derivatives (6th Edition)

>>14991255
maybe what makes you sad is that you don't get what you expect from society

Overcoming the Terror of Death

>>14991255
Read "the doctrine of awakening" by Julius Evola to learn the truth about what buddhism is. You have been fed a lie by cucked onions westerners.
Buddhism is a warrior life affirming religion.
Alternatively read bronze age mindset

>>14991251

> Antifragile

Taleb is a midwit, I can see this plainly as a fellow midwit

>>14991270

Fair enough. I can't help but feel traditionalism is some defeatist dead end meme after reading Spengler. A lot of right wing prescriptions seem like elaborate copes unfortunately.

>>14991286
Oh, you read Spengler?
Then do read bronze age mindset. The author knows western civilization is over and show a noble, lifefuel path accepting this

>>14991229
The Confessions of St. Augustine

>>14991255
Cringe

Any of the 20 books I've ever read.

>>14991229
>pic related

Imperium - Yockey

>>14991229
Spinoza' Ethics
read it twice in a row
and once more every year
you won't even need food after that

>>14991388
you can always tell that shit is written by faux-deep 18 year olds who didn't go to prom

>>14991777
what would you suggest then?

>>14991782
his whole retarded post is based on the false premise that looks are everything. they're not. there's plenty of ugly successful people and failed beautiful people.
i could easily rewrite his post and replace ugly incels with women, or people of color, or anything like that. you'd realize it's such a gross simplification that its useless.
something can be a disadvantage without dooming you.
people can learn and grow and accomplish things. and anyone who interacts with the world at all knows that. you are not doomed. your teenage despair is not who you are.
t. an ugly person who has sex

>>14991229
Augustine’s Confessions, The Interior Castle by St. Theresa of Avila, The Pilgrim’s Progress

>>14991846
That the black pill again, ya dumbass. Everyone knows there’s no afterlife

>>14991229
Plato

>>14991841
sex without intimacy is masturbation. in real life pretty people get treated better by this materialistic consumer society. pretty people have way more chances of making it than ugly people. those beauty standards have been imposed by media all over the world and normalfags can't see through this bullshite.

>>14991913
>sex without intimacy is masturbation. in real life pretty people get treated better by this materialistic consumer society. pretty people have way more chances of making it than ugly people. those beauty standards have been imposed by media all over the world and normalfags can't see through this bullshite.
and? what's your point? being pretty is an advantage. i never disputed that

>>14991388

I'm not an incel. Struggling to get laid or to be accepted by normies is trite despair.

This isn't so much about personal circumstance as it is my outlook and satisfaction. I am BLACKPILLED and not sure how to resolve that.

>>14991919
>what's your point?
that pain, suffering, disease and death are only truths to life. you're no longer human after getting aware with these truths.

>>14991979
so angsty. there's plenty of joy in life. small and large joy. there's being loved. there's tasting something sweet. there's reading poems. there's shitposting. there's winning money gambling. there's making someone smile with a joke. even emotionally stunted sociopaths usually figure out how to wring joy out of life.

>>14991255
if that's what you think stoicism is then you need to read more stoics. The actual original stocisim was very theological in the theories it presents for the mechanics of the universe, as a web of causality. The more modern lessons you can take from the writings are more in line with what you're asking for, if you're blackpilled because you feel like there is nothing you can do, stocisim can address that. If you're blackpilled because you've been hit with a setback in the short or medium term, stocisim can address that. If you can't get a gf, get the fuck off of this shitty message board and go outside, a book probably can't help.

>>14991229
Unironically, Lord of the Rings

>>14991229
have u try not bein sad bro?

>>14992022

Tbf I may have to try more stoics than marcuck Aurelius.

>>14992070
at least try some seneca before dismissing the whole school of thought
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>>14991229
The bible. All evil perish. Good prevails

>>14992100
checked. Never actually read any of the bible, I was raised agnostic/athesistic, would you recommend it? Which translations specifically?

>>14991229
Advaita Vedanta is a good option.

>>14992145
New World Translation. Most bibles don't even use god's name which gets very confusing because they replace it with god/lord which gives you the wrong idea because it's used thousands of times in the bible
>would you recommend it?
Of course. Doesn't take that long to go through it if you read a lot of books

>>14992100

No thanks christcuck

>>14992145
Don't listen to >>14992210 . The New World Translation is Jehovah's Witnesses propaganda that adulterates the Bible. If you have never read the Bible I recommend reading the Good News Translation or the New Living Translation since they are designed for easy readability without compromising the meaning of the text.

>>14992145
>Which translations specifically?
KJV.

>>14992233
>god's name is propaganda
Weird take. One thing you can do is simply just compare translations https://biblehub.com/john/3-16.htm

>>14992251
nice resource anon thank you for posting
>>14992233
what makes the new world translation propaganda? How does it misrepresent the text versus any of the other translations mentioned?
>>14992231
don't swat down religious ideas without reason, that's something a post-modernist would do and look where that's got us as a civilisation.

>>14992251
Not what I said, and I have compared translations:

Regular bibles:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God," (John 1:1)

Jehovah's False Witnesses:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god," (John 1:1, NWT)

There is only one God. Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian.

>>14991858
Yes there is. It's called having children.

>>14992393
blackpillers can't even have sex, let alone reproduce

>>14992279
Just came back but like a lot of people you ignore context just not with the verse itself but the whole bible.The Word is Jesus and it's basically just saying he's godlike, not god literally. The following verses explains this:
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made
So who is most like God? Jesus obviously. If you think the word is god it doesn't make any sense. God is eternal. God can't have a beginning
>Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God
Same chapter explains it's Jesus
>The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us
Also shows up in Rev 19:13
>He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God
God can't bleed so how could he get hurt in any way?
>There is only one God
Confusing statement considering a lot of Christians believes in 3 gods, not one. What is it you believe exactly?

>>14991858
>>14992393
the absolute state of western materialist NPCs
no wonder you all want to kys

>>14992528
Revelation 22:12-13, 16
“Behold, I am coming soon, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” ... “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”

Jesus is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and End, which can only describe God.

Isaiah 9:6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore.

The Son Jesus will be called "Mighty God" and "Everlasting Father" which describe God the Father. The Father and the Son are One.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

God only has one Son, and Hell is real.

253 The Trinity is One. We do not confess three Gods, but one God in three persons, the "consubstantial Trinity". The divine persons do not share the one divinity among themselves but each of them is God whole and entire: "The Father is that which the Son is, the Son that which the Father is, the Father and the Son that which the Holy Spirit is, i.e. by nature one God." In the words of the Fourth Lateran Council (1215), "Each of the persons is that supreme reality, viz., the divine substance, essence or nature."

God is One.

242 Following this apostolic tradition, the Church confessed at the first ecumenical council at Nicaea (325) that the Son is "consubstantial" with the Father, that is, one only God with him. The second ecumenical council, held at Constantinople in 381, kept this expression in its formulation of the Nicene Creed and confessed "the only-begotten Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, light from light, true God from true God, begotten not made, consubstantial with the Father".

Jesus is consubstantial with the Father.

From the Council of Nicea:

Those who say “there once was when he was not”, and “before he was begotten he was not”, and that he came to be from things that were not, or from another hypostasis or substance, affirming that the Son of God is subject to change or alteration these the catholic and apostolic church anathematises.

>>14991229
read erich fromm

>>14992528
>not understanding the trinity

ngmi

>>14991229
the quran

>>14992397
Well then they aren't going to reincarnate

Michel Tournier - Friday
Alphonso Lingis - Dangerous Emotions
Peter Sloterdijk - Critique of Cynical Reason

worked for me

Is it that you want to see the world through rose colored glasses again or do you want to see the world for what it is and redeem it anyway?

What exactly do you mean by black pill?

>>14991229
The Foundation for Exploration

>>14991229
psychedelics

>>14991229

test post

>>14992766

The latter.

>>14992893

Tried. They were a bit helpful, but I also didn't come to any new realizations or anything. I think people who get "woke" from psychedelics are probably filtering a lot of stuff out to begin with.

When I took shrooms I felt a strong sense of appreciation for the will to power that drives life. I felt more at peace with myself than I did before it. But still felt a lack of direction and solution.

I think my problem is that withdrawing from the rat race and climbing to the top are both unattractive prospects. I tend to daydream about impossible futures.

>>14991229
No book will fish you out of your destiny bowl. Black pills are the harsh reality. There's a bunch of black pills in life but not all will be bitter to swallow. Only you alone will have to take the pills prescribed to you. The problem really is in identification of the pill prior to taking it. If you know that shits gonna be nasty, why would you want to eat it? Uneaten, it rots away in the bottle, getting moldy and nearly inedible. Philosophizing why it exists will make it worse. Researching it will make you angry and resistant. The pill is stagnating to where people will stay in their house their whole lives trying to understand it. What it is for everyone is a metaphor of responsibility. The realization where you are in the world. It's not who you are, but the role you play. Many cultures call it karma. The best way to do karma is to be naive going into it, and to stay assertive and headstrong in its attempts to crystalize and imprison your strength. Even if you know what's to come, it's better to take the leap and see what you're made of instead of living in make-believe and coping with cognitive dissonance for the rest of your life.

>>14992965
>I think my problem is that withdrawing from the rat race and climbing to the top are both unattractive prospects. I tend to daydream about impossible futures.

Fuck, I think I might be blackpilled too. Good thread OP.

>>14991229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBDJltrCqQ0

>>14991276
you are indeed a midwit

>>14992965
So your problem is that you're defining "success" with how much money you have? Sounds like you're a wage slave caught in the machinery of modern day atheistic materialism and you probably have no spiritual life, but that's just my guess based on these edgy drug user posts.

>>14991270
>bronze age mindset
the only way this is getting suggested is if you wrote it lmao

>>14991858
> hasn't the faintest idea what consciousness is, yet claims to know how it comes to be, and that it ends and when

>>14991979
Lol. All of those are meaningless illusions too. You're not doing nihilism right.

>>14992935
What do you think the world is anyway? I guarantee your perspective is just another hallucination.

>>14992965
>>14993032
It is impossible to be happy if you can't be satisfied with the now, regardless of how many external markers of success you possess. Just accept your 'blackpill' is not hard headed realism, but another delusion, another hallucination. A bad trip.

>>14993061

I feel I have no place in either side of the dichotomy between the faustian and reactionary. I've spent a considerable amount of time opening my eyes to how cucked the world is but have no illusion that the pendulum is swinging the other way, and can't find peace with withdrawal. I'm not spiritual, but my feelings of hopelessness got nothing to do with money or materialism, don't know where you're getting that from.

>>14992976

This post was a bit helpful, thanks for writing a post with consideration

>>14993132
Not spiritual means materialist. As in, you believe only matter exists. Putting that aside, the system you so loathe is doomed (https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/)), and even if it weren't, it hardly matters: salvation and happiness have never been for collectives, only individuals.

>>14993147

Scott Alexander is a literal cuckold, disregarded

>>14991841
>t. an ugly woman who has sex

>>14991229
The Occult by Wilson

>>14991229
discord gg/6agtph6

>>14991858
hey faggot, reply to me
oh wait you can't lmao

>>14991229
shounen mangas and animes. and attack on titan too.

>>14992629
>If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I
You call yourself Christian but you don't accept what he taught on Earth. You'd rather trust what dead humans said a long time ago in the councils rather than what Jesus said and like his Father he doesn't lie
>Jesus is Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and End, which can only describe God
Wrong
>I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty
Only God is all-powerful

>>14994663
Look at what you made me do! If only you had made better posts, things could have turned out differently! Oh well.

>>14992935
Honestly, Evola had an impact on me in that regard.

>>14991264
How cucked is that. Would you prescrine letting go of wants to somebody who already gets what he wants from society?
Buddhism and stoicism are cope for ugly or poor people or bith combined.

>>14994564
No coofers allowed!

i really want to read history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides but my adhd medication keeps wearing off before i get around to it each day

>>14992044
This. The trick is not to go deeper down the philosophy wormhole. You just need to get stronger so the angst isn’t painful anymore.

Reading stuff like Conan the Barbarian and trying to develop a more masculine POV.

>>14995868
>>14995871

>>14993243
And yet he understands things you don't. He wants to keep the current world order going, but can't see how, other than with a technological miracle occurring.

>>14995813
Yes, actually. People who get all they want do eventually realize the hollowness of it.

>>14996065
Huh? I know people who get what they want and they 're content. These people find fullfilment by doing or getting what they want, be it love or what have you. I think not getting what you want makes you cope in order to not shoot yourself. It also leads to developing your inner world, that us why most chads are not very introspective and think as far as other people do. These are people who have found their happy place and dont really care changing, and why would they.

>>14991229
The Bible

>>14991255
It about attachments, not desires

>>14992010
pain will always outweigh the pleasure in your life you dumb bitch.

>>14993103
then those are fucking painful illusions

>>14991964
Oh stop moaning you tedious faggot.

>>14996836
Some people look like that on the surface. But everyone I thought was like that just eventually gave me the impression that they're coping anyway. Why put forth so much activity into the world otherwise? It's the franticness of their lives that is suspect.

>>14997070
Pain, like everything else, is transient. But one can definitely sustain it for a long time by getting lost in the narratives the mind spins up in response to it. Just by letting it be, taking it as the bodily sensation it is, and not trying to make it go away, it paradoxically goes away on its own.

>>14991229
hang on there bro wait you will gain the strength. Jesus is the way

>>14991255
>no to stoicism
Buddy, you stopped the race before you even began.

This is going to sound fucking stupid
But star trek tng helped me with the black pill desu
otherwise go full ubermensch and never look back

>>14991229
>blackpill
imagine falling for this meme

>>14998711
how so anon

Being a nurse is like the only option atm

Who ya'll gonna teach dummy

>>14991229
Any sincere delve into the humanities will cure it. Your blackpill is a result of peabrain or a faggot coward personality.

If you are only here to larp and not read, this video can help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfD3X3f5C_w

>>14993039
Hardest a video has hit me in a while. Thanks for sharing anon. Remember, on the other end of every utopia is even greater despair when you realize everything is generally just fucked even at the best of times.

>>14996836
You talk like there's never been a single rich or famous person to have committed suicide.

>>14991229
What are you worried about anon

>>14992965
Don't philosophy too much. The power of psychadelics is the temporary "reset" that happens in terms of neuro-plasticity. If your thinking patterns haven't been changing you'll go back to normal.
Try some CBT (the feel good manual is great if you can't afford therapy) beforehand and it'll all click into place after some shrooms.

>>14992044
that speech is quite different in the book, and that particular line isn't even in there at all

>>14993405
>The Occult by Wilson
The Outsider is good

>>14991259
>The "How to become an asshole and get away with it" canon
Based

>>14991841
No he bases his post on his experience. In his experience being ugly was bad. It is always bad. As being a minority or disabled or just stupid is bad.
Fact is "Being ugly" in his post stands for being dealt a bad hand and thus failing at basic tasks in life

>>14992642
The trinity is heresy

>>14999886
To be specific it was during the last episode of the first season (you can watch it without watching the rest of the season incase you're curious).
They found some 21st century cryonically frozen people so they decided to revive them.
One of them was a stereotypical wallstreet guy, the moment he came back to life it's all "let me talk to my bank, my lawyer my money yada yada".
At the very end of the episode Picard and the wallstreet guy have a back and forth.
Picard tells him that humans evolved past the need to accumulate things, past materialism.
So the wallstreet guy asks him "so what's the challenge? why go on? why continue what's the fucking point?"
Picard answers with "to better oneself"
and at that point I honestly teared up because I felt it was such a pure answer, a possibility where humans transcend their greed, and all that matters is the betterment of oneself and through that the betterment of all mankind.
So instead of being a black pilled retard like I was (I was fighting it for a while, reading all sorts of things) I came to the conclusion that I knew was right long ago.
I had to abandon or at least try to, this feeling of greed and it's hard to do.
I had to improve myself and I'm trying.
While I know the world is a piece of shit I still hope that someday we'll make it.

So basically tldr - focus on yourself.
You don't need that new phone, that new car etc. improve yourself - always work on that, it'll do wonders.
I hope I made some sense.

>>15002016
Why