/lit/ - Literature

>>14955432
Drug addiction

>>14955435
wha happen

>>14955438
Wife get cancer. Man can't follow his own advice which he peddles. Get "'meme depression". Take "meme drugs" to cope. Get addicted. Attempt suicide. Daughter forces into rehab. Rehab no work. Seek out experimental treatment in Mother Russia. Experimental treatment induces two week coma. Apparently still alive but completely fucked.

>>14955454
wow that's pretty sad, do you think he'll recover ?

>>14955459
I hope he does in order for him to actually accomplish his suicide. Fucking tired of this pseud.

Turns out he was just the XXXTentacion of philosophy.
i.e. Not a big loss for philosophy

>>14955454
>Attempt suicide

Source on that?

>>14955495
kek'd at this post, thanks anon

>>14955459
He will have permanent damage

>>14955432
He got addicted to some shitty anti-depressant and was too much of a bitch to withdraw normally so he went to some crazy Russian clinic that puts into you into an induced coma so you can go through withdrawals when you are unconscious. This was a while ago and there has been mention of him since. It's very possible that he is dead or terminal.

>>14955835
>puts into you into an induced coma so you can go through withdrawals when you are unconscious
jfc what a weak bitch
Surely his professorship knows that being unconscious is really bad for you

>>14955454
>Seek out experimental treatment in Mother Russia. Experimental treatment induces two week coma.
Shit, I missed this.

>>14955835
Yikes, what a fucking moron and a gay way to go out

>>14955454
And this is all as a result of debating Zizek?
By God I need to learn the devilish ways of Hegel which Zizek can wield.

>>14955835
He's gonna wake up in a 28 days later scenario after everybody else is blessed with the sweet relief of coronachan

Turns out he was addicted to benzo's and his advice to others was merely projection and he was advicing himself instead. He quit benzo's, went into horrible withdrawal and he got into rehab in Russia which includes inducing a temporary coma. Now we don't hear from him because he's probably a shell of who he used to be. That's what you for taking medicine instead of actually facing your problems. I'm happy this fraud got unmasked but I hope he was a gateway drug for many to the great works of C.G. Jung.

does anybody have the "clean your room pop 12 xanax" meme

>>14956080
honestly id take any and all JP memes /lit/ has

>>14955891
NO! They will break you! By Tito's ghost not another victim to Hegel!

Its so weird how people picked up his shit (from /pol/ to even normies IRL) and as soon as he couldnt take his own medicine everyone quietly backed out of his bullshit. There was a period I had so many stupid friends who were into him and constantly quoting him. At this point he sort of feels like just a trend, like people went gluten free or vegan for awhile or something.

>>14956170
True, though despite his shortcomings he helped people get through life and accomplish things. People idolized him (which he was against, but maybe it got to his head at some point, who knows), and it made his downfall all that more impressive.

>>14956364
Yeah I obviously don't wish him harm with his issues nor do I disagree he probably helped some people. But I think its just a really well marketed male targeted self help book in a world where men feel like victims. He struck while the iron was hot that is for sure.

Isn't part of the heroes journey he preaches being pushed to the brink of death and destruction so you can rise like a phoenix from the ashes?

What's the chance we get ubermensch JP on his return. Finally throwing off all his shortcomings and slapping the world into shape?

>>14955432
discord gg /VbZw6HE

>>14956170
/pol/ hated him because he wouldnt talk about Jews despite pretending to be for free speech

>>14956463
I distinctly remember alot more sad incel type depressed content posted back when he was more popular and it being well recieved.

>>14956457
>brain damage destroys his ability to be distracted from his current task
>turns into turbo-autist who actually fully reads hegel/nietzsche/marx/Jung
>triumphantly return to debating marxists but with an actual knowledge of marxism
would 100% wash my penis if that happened

>>14956403
>He struck while the iron was hot that is for sure.
Oh yeah, definitely. Itshowed with his $2000 "custom" carpet.

>>14955432
He's in rehab right now

>>14956877
Thanks champ, it's like nobody mentioned that before you came here

>>14955891
Cringe

I heard he's in rehab

>>14956883
I heard he went to rehab

>>14955916
He was never against medicine for mental illness and was always open about his ssri use
>>14955454
t. No experience in reality

>>14956883
Someone on this board said he was in rehab

>>14956457

This. JBP will be back stronger than ever after this.

>>14955432
I don't buy the official narrative. It's much more likely something much weirder is probably going on and his family made up this story to somehow profit

>>14955835
A benzodiazepine isn't an antidepressant, you fucking idiot.

SSRI withdrawals are minor. Benzodiazepine withdrawals can trigger life-threatening seizures.

>>14957019
>Benzodiazepine withdrawals can trigger life-threatening seizures.
While this is true, I've taken complex cases off of benzos and it's really not a big deal. At worst you need to be in a hospital for the first part in case you have a seizure.

>>14957019
I don't it was just the benozs, it was his reactions taking them, made him more anxious than relaxed, rare case but it happens
shouldn't have trusted his psychiatrist I guess
Also people here really hate him, almost all the posts are either pure lies or half truths turned in the most cynical way

>>14955916
what was jordan petersons philosphy aside from "muh lobsters"? I never kept up with the guy.

>>14956170
humans cant seem to admit they made mistakes we just back off and pretend nothing happend.

It's been months and I still don't understand how shitposters see his personal struggles with his own health and medication and conclude that his life advice about picking yourself up and trucking through hardships as a mature individual is somehow invalidated or hypocrisized.

>>14956511
>would 100% wash my penis if that happened
and not a second sooner, amen

>>14958535
because there is nothing wise or noble about selling cliches to impressionable redditors. it is funny to see a charlatan brought low

>>14958535
Wash your penis

>>14958554
>because there is nothing wise or noble about selling cliches to impressionable redditors
Okay, sure, what about it?
>charlatan
Hardly; repackaging Jung and religious principles for the masses is not really what anyone, even Peterson, would call special knowledge.

>>14958560
Not until Zizek apologizes for embarassing my boy.

>>14956170
The idea that experts should pay attention to their own advice is kind of retarded, desu. Like if a Doctor with anorexia was treating me for my weight loss I'm not gonna turn down the treatment/somehow think the treatment is ineffective just because they can't take their own advice. That's their personal failing, that's not anything to do with the programme being prescribed to you.

That said, people should've ignored Peterson because he was a hack charlatan. Sure he motivated some NEETs to pick themselves off and wash their dicks and maybe get a part-time job, but I think all they needed was a stern father figure, it literally could've been anyone. They just gravitated towards him because of his slight anti-trans, anti-feminist angle, and even then he wasn't overtly against those things in principle, he just cared more about protecting free speech.

He's in rehab, right?

>>14955891

>>14958577
>it literally could've been anyone
So what's the issue with it being Peterson?

>>14958400
Clean your room
Go to work
Take anti-depressants
Have kids
Follow the same patterns that your failure parents did before you

>>14957103
What do you mean that you've "taken complex cases off of benzos"?

>>14958620
Part of what he talks about, especially in relation to his bible lectures, is the core archetype of surpassing the tyrranical father to come into one's own agency and maturity.
So I feel that you have misunderstood him.

>>14958636
His entire "philosophy" is snake oil, so there is really nothing TO understand

>>14958651
It's not philosophy, it's straight-up psychology. You can call Jung and Campbell snakeoil salesmen, but it's a pretty empty judgement coming from a nobody on the internet.

>>14955835
>some shitty anti-depressant and was too much of a bitch to withdraw normally
>Withdrawing from benzos cold-turkey

Lmao. If you don't know shit anon, don't talk

>>14958669
Reselling what other psychologists have said in completely different context is absolutely snake oil, and just between us nobodies on the internet nothing you say will change that fact.

On top of the stigma of being considered incel neckbeards' symbolic adoptive father, he was outed as a benzo addict.

Imagine taking life advice from a guy who clearly doesn't have his own shit together.

>>14958693
I guess if you want to redefine terms for yourself, sure.

>>14958651
Yikes. Imagine getting your stupid post taken apart and then just doubling down on your retardation
>>14958400
He didn't necessarily have a philosophy. He was a psychologist and most of his talks and writings focused on that. He focused quite heavily on Jungian psychology and was interested in how certain archetypical narratives constantly reappear through time and culture. I suppose you could argue that his "philosophy" was an application of the lessons learned from these archetypical stories. But I don't call it a philosophy because we're talking about broad shit here, like "don't be envious", "the grass isn't greener on the other side", "take the log out of your own eye before taking the splinter out of your brother's eye".

>>14958669
Jung's work is used almost exclusively in literary analyses, artistic references, and new age spiritual movements.

Very few practicing psychologists today take Jung seriously.

>>14958623
It's the old dunderheaded "drugs make you smart" argument but for pills instead of acid or weed.

>>14958700
>Doctor comes in with a cast on his arm
>"why should I take medical advice from someone who clearly doesn't take care of his own body?"

>>14958704
That sounds even worse than I thought
https://youtu.be/tKoGQpEkpO0?t=19

>>14958710
I thought he was saying that he took freaks off of benzos in the hospital.

>>14958700
What piece of his own advice did he fail to follow? A quotation, if you possibly can, would be great.

i want to murder my friend

>>14958726
What does Zizek propose instead of "wisdom"?
He's throwing such an immensely broadly-applicable term in the trash just because he recognizes that wisdoms can be misapplied or overgeneralized or just plain wrong. If he's just cautioning against worshipping advice which people recognize as wisdom, that's fine, but to say you're against wisdom and then justify it by what is the definition of wisdom just comes across as nonsense.
What does Zizek even believe in if not even wisdom exists to him?

>>14958761
Read him and find out

>>14958714
Leave the redditor be. He can't stand having someone say that his porn addiction is bad, and that he should focus on improving his life.

Didn't he say that cleaning your room saves you from drugs and only losers use drugs?
Hahahahaha.

>>14955432
Spent too long washing his penis and died of terminal coomerism

>>14958767
Thanks for the non-answer, I'll get around to it when I have literally nothing else to read because as of now he seems like schlock.
I'm just not going to make threads bashing him based on my lack of understanding, though.

>>14958781
Like by taking benzos and letting some Russians put you in a coma?

>>14958781
I will not leave him be, I want him to be better than he is acting.
Evil is the force that believes its knowledge is complete.

>>14958795
>goes to /lit/
>doesn't read
Yep, that seems about right

>>14958801
Using drastic measures to recover from an especially bad reaction to medically prescribed drugs would constitue as trying to improve your life, yes.

>>14958809
Are you intentionally or unintentionally claiming that you have read the entire sum total of all human literature?
Asking for a friend.

>>14958811
Hahahahaha you faggot. Those aren't drastic measures, they're retarded measures.

>>14958815
you need to work on your reading comprehension.
regular reading can help with that

>>14958817
Thank you for the elucidation, doctor.

>>14958827
Actual doctors told him not to go to Russia and let Russians turn him into a vegetable, guess what he did :)

>>14956457
If the brink was psychologically induced then yes it would be a likely possibility. Chemically induced, no chance in my book

>>14958576
>special knowledge
did you google charlatan just now? anon...

>>14958908
Source?

>>14955891

>>14958732
For starters, he did not clean his room or have his life in order all the while telling others what to do.

>>14958973
1. Metaphors must not be your strong suit.
2. Life is an ever-evolving series of challenges, if you were looking for in him a sort of guru who has solved the universe, then that itself is the source of your disappointment. If you're referring to the benzos thing you don't understand the nature of medical and/or medication issues.

>>14955432
the malice with which you all are laughing at his suffering is disgusting

the dude has literally martyred himself in trying to help lost young men like yourselves

is that self-destruction justified? no, but it was done out of real love

and the use of drugs and suicide hardly negates his advice. his advice was directed at young NEETs with hardly any real hardships, not wife having cancer and the entire left media shitting on you daily

the guy has been deified and vilified since the very start, i'd go fucking crazy too if i was him

>>14955454
If you read his book Maps of Meaning and read between the lines, you'll find he was always a repressed moral nihilist in desperate search for objective purpose cope. Aside from his knowledge of mythology, he can only quote from psychologists, entry level Greeks, meme self-help stoicism and a handful of existentialists because generally he's uneducated, which is why his coping skills didn't work out for him. Or, at least he's more uneducated than he should be.

>>14958991
>worry about yourself before worrying about others and the world around you
>is a horiffic drug addict

You can spin this any way you want but you know the truth.

>>14958995
>lost young men
Young men should be lost. It's the rite of passage to mandhood. Get lost in the woods and find your own way back out. They don't need a psychotic, glorified self-help peddler to mother them through life and cry about them. Guy has done way more harm than good.

>>14956463
https://youtu.be/mbZZyVyEHGo

>>14959046
Lel, this is an apt description. His constant lip-service to Christianity is funny considering he clearly wants the objective morality stance provided by the Christian worldview and faith but he refuses to actually take a leap of faith required for Christian morality to make sense.

>>14955454
The strong white male, The "patriarch", saved by his daughter. Our era definitively has some humor.

>>14955432
What happened is that cleaning your room has no bearing on how brain chemistry work when you're pumping yourself full of poorly studied substances, and men are not superhumans and are slaves to their biology despite repeated claims of mind over matter bozos like Peterson.

It's sad but some only learn this way.

>>14955719
So much for his thousands dollar suits and his "hierarchy" obsession, and glorification of class based society. What kind of lobster is he now, the strong confident one, or the scared and submissive one?
>>14958669
> it's a pretty empty judgement coming from a nobody on the internet.
Argument from authority, on 4chan, really? Probably the first time i see one. Doesn't surprise me from Jordan Peterson fans thought.

>>14957019
>>14958679
Your right it is dangerous to quit cold turkey its a good thing he said withdraw normally i.e with medical help. Also seriously imagine be such a faggot you take benzos or any other SSRI

>>14955454
pretty sure he didn't attempt suicide

>>14958825
i can taste the projection

>>14959189
textbook case of bad faith

>>14959189
>the comment section
>that "question"
This is your mind on /pol/. Why would you rant about your out-of-left field racial identity conspiracies leading up to one of the most loaded questions imaginable and expect anyone on any stage to be able to formulate a succint answer? Like Peterson said' it's too much to disentangle before the question itself can even be approached.
This is the so-called bullet that shitposters claim kills his credibility?
Embarassing show of intellectual dishonesty.

>>14960104
You sound like a post-modernist

>>14959196
jesus christ if this doesnt pin down jodran peterson to the T

as humans here I dont think anyone wants jordan peterson to suffer for the sake of the lolz that the shit he peddled out couldnt even help himself, but really truly to see people in the comments defending him now unironically about not cooming and cleaning your room is troubling.

>>14956457
>Jordan Peterson awakes from his coma
>immediately starts going off about the JQ

>>14955454
*Experimental treatment that nobody in their right mind would have attempted for legal or ethical reasons in the West. Quitting benzos cold turkey, coma or no coma, could have killed him or damaged his brain.

>>14955454
Never got why people had such a seething hatred for the guy. Not my cup of tea, but seems completely innocuous and fine for a layman self helper and speaking to the general malaise of people. Yah, he has some psued tendencies but not nearly as bad as most.

Is there something I’m not getting that should make me hate the guy? I just see trannies spurge our about him.

>>14959046
I find the whole thing to be a crying out for God. And I mean that descriptively, somehow in a pseudo-Nietzschean way. God is dead to him, but he sees a huge empty waste without his presence.
In an honest way, he has a desire for Christ in a spiritual sense, and for God in a philosophical one. His whole life's work, it's like if he could just have God, he would have the objective impetus to put it together. I think the Christians here should pray for him. The negative things he's done, were done in ignorance.

>>14955671
jocelyn flores is a pretty good song, thouhh

>>14960878
As with most things these days, people hate him by association with his hardcore fans, who are pathetic retards slavishly devoted to his every word. The guy himself is alright, if a bit hypocritical and presumptuous as we have seen, but it's his fans who are the real cancer.

>>14960904
Yeah im an atheist and even I can see it.
Dude needs jesus and is to afraid to admit, he already spouts so much babble accepting the bible 100% isnt far from his wheelhouse.

>>14960955
Ah, that makes sense. Funny, I really haven’t run into many vocal J. Peterson fanboys around. Though of course that may be because I don’t hange our where they do. Where do you usually see the fanboys? I saw the sisal Peterson debate... which was decent enough. Peterson was straight forward while I felt Zizek was a bit too in his head about it, but the crowd was load (for both sides). I haven’t really watched much of him.

>>14960878
He pretty much is the embodiment of the utter failure of the Right. That is all. He got some fanboys that worshipped him and got BFTO when he tried to debate Zizek and then failed to live up to his own high standards.
I'm amazed Right Wingers don't kill themselves on mass

>>14960983
What do you mean? That debate was utterly inconclusive since the two were on totally different pages, they didn’t even disagree that much? Zizek was talking a lot about meta structures and Peterson was talking about structures, so they barely got each other’s point.

>>14960878
I'd say I hate his fans more than the man himself because I can't talk about his worst ideas without getting fanboy rage or appeals to popularity/authority.

>>14961009
He's probably referring to a few criticisms Zizek made of Peterson's ideas. Like how cleaning your room is fine but sometimes your environment prevents you from being able to ever finish getting it in order. You need more than just room cleaning at that point, you need action to change your environment as well. Sometimes that environment is spiders in your house. Other times it's an oppressive government ordering a spy to live with you.

Peterson also couldn't follow up on one of his more famous ideas when asked for clarification. That is, who/where are the Marxists in academia, because even Zizek couldn't identify who exactly Peterson was referring to. There was more to that debate than just the main topic.

>>14955432
To maintain his license after self-prescribing heaps of benzos, he fled to Russia for induced coma to skip withdrawals while waiting out statute of limitations; he might have other reasons if he had foreknowledge of Wu Flu (took his daughter/granddaughter), as a contributing author to spook literature canon like UN Agenda 2030 et. al. And these >>14960904 >>14960970

>>14960955
He's every bit the Cagliostro fraud and knows it, the arch ImprOOver

>>14961035
I don’t disagree, but I think he adequately addressed both points well enough. Marxist point he refered to the linkage of rhetoric and form of discourse, an ideal in the Marxist vein of thought which I personally find convincincing reading the type of discourse from different communist circles throughout history. And on the clean your room part I also think Peterson also adiquitely said that how can you tell if there is a societal problem in specific if you cannot hash that out locally first.

Now don’t take me for a petersonian or anything, and I personally believe in metanarritives that sway us, but I see the wisdom in knowing that our analysis of meta attitudes is also enherently effected by meta narratives itself so pointing out a greater evil may and likely is a partial spook in itself, so there is merit to ordering your house first as a vague principle (though doing both may be preferred). I’m actually slightly more in line with Zizek, but by no means do I think there was any blow out moment on damnation. There was a bit of a performance when Zizek got all psyched up by the crowd and yelled where are the marxists, but esprit de Corp doesn’t translate to a solid argument.

>>14960971
I only hears about peterson fanboys from my high school and college cousins being a fan of them and saying many of their friends are fans. Basically people with no life experience but make up pretend problems. Literally all of them came from normally privileged families with no trauma, but are depressed because ultimately they dont get laid as much as they want. I dont want to be reductionist about it, but basically Ive noticed JP appeals to alot of people who just need to have sex and I mean that without trolling.

I dont want to bring race into it but you dont see black kids from from chicago thinking they need jordan petersons help, its usually well to do white/indian/asian middle/lower middle class people.

>>14961158
Sound like a reasonable demography. You can definitely bring race into it. It is usually the people who don’t have much pressing to do who usually get extestential and start looking for meaning. Same reason why the same demography on the left turn into sjws. If you are focused on your auto job just out of high school completely self reliant, you got more immediate things on your mind.

Peterson will rise again

>>14961193
really though, I acknowledge Peterson's vast pseuditude, but does anyone else think he can validly be placed in the tradition of Jung and Joseph Campbell with Maps of Meaning?

>>14961178
It has to be said however he is fufilling a role in peoples lives, whether its helpful or not who knows, and I wonder what is really the alternative these young males need. As much as they have problems more to do with just being a stir crazy overthinking horny male, they do feel an emotional connection to his stuff. I wonder what they really seek from him, is it just ultimately a pathetic attempt to just to have sex or are they really soul searching. Im a guy Im not anti male, Im just wondering if they are just a bunch of whiny bitches who never actually tried to get a women/are ugly and complain or real people with real problems.

I can sympathize with his crowd up to a point.

>>14955432

People seem to forget that he's been severely depressed his entire life and has been on a variety of medications to combat it. Meds are never enough, though, so he looked more into what you as a suffering person can do via behavioral changes. None of that's a cure, it just hopefully helps -- which it did for jp for decades, launching him into international fame and fortune. But severe mental illness doesn't give a fuck about you and your attempts to be well, so it finds a way. Look at david foster wallace, as well. I mean shit it was gonna hit the fan anyway with Peterson; you can stabilize yourself all you like, eventually some big event like the love of your life slowly dying in front of you (cancer) will break through your coping mechanisms and wreck your shit. Nobody's invincible, which is another thing Peterson often said. But I guess internet fucklords skipped over that part

>>14961193
Only if he accepts Christ, immerses himself in the doctrine, and revives to become a great Christian philosopher.

https://autisticmercury.com/2020/03/03/tragic-jordan-peterson/

>seething trannies out in full force in this thread
Is it fun to larp amongst yourselves?

>>14961158
This bait is so perfectly rote I had to reply in admiration of it. You checked every box in such a way I have to wonder if this isn't some weird left parallel to "Russian bots".

>>14961766
Whatever man not everything is some russian bot psy op conspiracy. The only peterson fans Ive ever known were younger people who dont have sex.
I dont know what to tell you

>>14962014
>Whatever man not everything is some russian bot psy op conspiracy.
That's the joke, retard.

>>14956457
>What's the chance we get ubermensch JP on his return. Finally throwing off all his shortcomings and slapping the world into shape?
Didn't have sustain brain damage from his 'treatment'? Seems all kinds of unlikely.

>>14961265
Personally, I feel like it’s a better role model than a lot of the alternatives. At least he is trying to be frank instead of some deranged alt right person. He really does have a classically liberal outlook. I could think of far worse people to converse with as far as midwife go.

>>14962094
Midwit, autocorrect.

>>14962094
Doesn't matter, he's not on my team and said no-nos about the trannies. That makes him a Nazi and anyone who suggests or even thinks otherwise is a sexless loser white that needs to extirpated.

>>14958995
>literally martyred himself
martyrdom is dying for a cause. stuffing yourself with pills to feel pleasure has nothing to do with any cause. you've invested so much emotionally into this hack that you're now stuck pretending the lowest degeneracy is admirable. who could forget our greatest martyr, a crack whore? she was doing it for world peace.

>>14962111
That's ridiculous. And unbelievably actually true, these people exist and are the most vocal. We live in the spectacle, but it's more absurd than anyone could have imagined while also totally unremarkable. Total intellectual and spiritual death.

>Schools close down for quarantine
>Shitposting and Peterson threads start cropping up immediately
God help us

>>14955432
He is fine, the whole illness and coma stuff is fake. He will pull a Hubbard and claim that he healed himself using his new self help book, which you can preorder now for only $39.

>>14962228
his message is a good one. the devil himself could say something true. a persons actions don't suddenly change whether or not the truth is true. if what he said is wrong, debate it directly. what if you held everyone you learned something from to the same standard? you'll find yourself throwing out everything learned because someone ran a stop light once or stole a piece of candy. and if he didn't follow his own advice, yes it looks bad but it doesn't prove whether or not it works just that he was weak during a tough time.

>>14961035
>Peterson also couldn't follow up on one of his more famous ideas when asked for clarification. That is, who/where are the Marxists in academia, because even Zizek couldn't identify who exactly Peterson was referring to.
I think one of Peterson's issues is that he doesn't understand exactly how much of a Jungian he is. It's my impression that when he's talking about neo-Marxists guiding the discussion in society, he's not talking about anyone who actually identifies as a neo-Marxist (evident by his inability to name any), but he's talking about an archetypal trend of neo-Marxist thought travelling through the collective conciousness of western society.
But his inability to fully understand his own thoughts through that lens is why he runs into issues communicating said ideas with people. For people who also see it, great they're onboard with him, but for anybody who doesn't see it he's incapable of explaining it to them because he doesn't fully grasp it himself.

>>14960155
Sorry about that, I'm not though.

>>14963428
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the matter, even if I don't buy into the idea completely myself. I felt like your opinion on the matter was a lot more productive than the crypto-peterson fan's input. Still, if Peterson felt this way I do think he would have figured out how to be more specific by now. As it currently appears, it's awfully convenient to his mass ideology to keep around a vague boogeyman to point to as causative of the world's problems.

>>14955671
Lel

a herd mentality priest who ironically preached how hierarchy is based

what he lacked to mention was that his idea of hierarchy was the hierarchy of onions/the herdTM, and his "solutions," if you read 12 rules to life can be boiled down to "keep your head down, stay submissive, and just work like a good cow"

anyone who has actually read his books will realize I'm not wrong

>>14965403
I thought Peterson was interesting and then I read 12 Rules and realized he was just telling me to shut up and listen to my dad because all fathers are objectively wiser then their children— and substitute JP for “all fathers”. His entire career and philosophy is based on his massive insecurities and need to be obeyed. He probably has low self esteem because he’s from Edmonton and in Canada the prairie people are viewed as the Niggers Of The North. It’s still sad how he fried himself, but in retrospect I think he was always in a death-spiral.

>>14957156
In essence my point was simply that benzos have a much larger harm potential than SSRIs. I don't care for the details

>>14959349
Peterson is a hack but not for the infantile /pol/ack reasons you've given here.

His message was basically :
DOOM, now that was a good game.

Is Jordan Peterson in a coma or something? Or is he damaged in some respect?

>>14965403
>A herd mentality priest
You mean like what all of Christianity is based off of?

>>14962111

>>14962078
brains heal in weird ways anon.

>>14965807
yes

>>14960955
pretty much it

He's always recommended people to take anti-depressants if it helps them; he's not a hypocrite at all. Also the guy's fine, he just put out an article the other day.

>>14955432
He went IIIIINNNNSSSAAAAAAAAAANNNNNEEEEEEEEEEE AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>14965403
>anyone who has actually read his books will realize I'm not wrong
I've read those, and I think you are wrong. Maybe you've read them with a couple of presuppositions right off the bat, but otherwise, it's pretty evident that you are misinterpreting whatever there is
He is a supporter of the hierarchy of skills/competence, and you are not really against it, whatever you think. You are mixing up the good and the bad, that's why you are incoherent, anon

>>14965646
>all fathers are objectively wiser then their children
And also objectively more tyrannical, that's the flip side of the archetype. So what's your point?

>>14955454

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>>14955432

I feel like that voice robot and the countless sordid things people made it say caused some kind of reverse osmosis that messed him up.

>>14955891
criiiiinge

>>14965900
Especially using unorthodox soviet technology.

They will make him better, they have the technology.

>>14955495
king

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>>14955671
Not a big lost? He never added to it in the first place

>>14958781
hope mikhaila sees this bro

>>14961158
nice projections, I can see you fully understand lives of people you barely know

Remember kids: antidepressants do not cure depression. If your hand is broken and you take a painkiller pill, you cut the pain, sure, but did it fix the broken bone and skin laceration? No it didn't. In reality the pain itself didn't gone anywhere either, it's still there, you just had cut the wires of your nervous system from the source of that pain.

Antidepressants just can allow you to quickly take yourself to proper specialist that will "fix" your psychic, but they do not fix anything by itself.

>>14965403
>dude individualism is the highest good
>it outweighs race, politics, any of your tribalisms
>NO HE'S TELING YOU TO BE A SHEEP I KNOW THIS BECAUSE HE SAID THINGS I DON'T LIKE ABOUT MY POLITICAL GROUP
lolok

>>14968692
Yes but first as tragedy, then as farce. Nietzsche himself wrote off JBP, only he did so when he denounced Strauss — the philistine — in his Untimely Meditations. And JBP was born and then went on to blow the BTFO the fuck out of himself and his self-help philosophy every day until he turned himself into a mong.
Good riddance.

>taking these dangerous, addictive, life-threatening drugs that completely alter your mental state
>regularly
>to threat "depression"
My god, I could never imagine actually doing this, no matter how far gone I am. Not saying depression isn't real like some people do, just that I'd never take the risk to put my mind on the line like that. The more I read about them the more these drugs scare me, especially with how many people seem to take them.

>>14956463
>shill Solzhenitsyn to everyone and their mom
>is supposedly completely in the dark as to what he said in his infamous "other book"

>>14969127
If you understood depression you'd have no problem realizing self-preservation is the last thing those people worry about at certain points

>>14955835
He is up, but he's having to relearn to walk and speak thanks to the induced coma.

>>14958577
If the advice they're giving is life advice from a position of supposed authority of course there's an expectation that they would follow it themselves, retard.

>>14958714

>Doctors is addicted to benzos

Fixed that for you

>>14969132
It´s not really that relevant what he said in his "other book". More interesting would be what Sasha wrote about the anglo-merican liberal society, since the main goal of Peterson´s political activism was defending precisely that anglo-merican liberal model.

>>14955916
I don't get why he's thought of as hypocritical, unless he claimed that he himself was a perfectly balanced human being doing everything right. Literally ad hominem.

>>14958623
>What do you mean that you've "taken complex cases off of benzos"?
Benzos are a common PRN (given as needed) for violent mental health and developmental disorder types and are frequently over used in care placements. Part of my work is transitioning difficult people (i.e. large, violent, prone to stress) into different care situations and this nearly always involves dealing with prescription drug withdrawal. The other problem is you get used to benzos quite quickly so they totally stop working if used habitually, so it's also part of making sure the new/good care providers aren't dealing with a nigh impossible case.

>>14955916
>his advice to others was merely projection and he was advicing himself instead.
His advice to others was based on his extensive knowledge of a whole variety of fields in psychology, biology, sociology and philosophy combined with his personal experiences and that of 20+ years as working as a psychologist.

>He quit benzo's, went into horrible withdrawal
>hat's what you for taking medicine instead of actually facing your problems
Quitting medication was facing his problems. Doing exactly what he told others to do.

>Now we don't hear from him because he's probably a shell of who he used to be.
He is taking a break from the spotlight which is understandable. He went from being a psychologist and a professor to being the most talked about, the most wanted, the most questioned person in the western world in less then 1-2 years and his wife got cancer at the same. While he also had health problems.

> I'm happy this fraud got unmasked
The only frauds that are getting unmasked are all the fucking retards on the internet hat haven't even watched his talks or lecture series. They know short bits they seen on media or a 5 min youtube clip. You are just exposing what a clueless fucking moron you are.

>he was a gateway drug for many to the great works of C.G. Jung.
He has made the western world actually understand Jung.

>>14956170
>and as soon as he couldnt take his own medicine
What do you mean? People keep repeating this and its not true.

>>14968299
Checked. Not that anon, but the issue I have is that he's just spouting truisms. "clean your room" woah no shit dude, if you're the kind of person that needs to be told things like that, that humans form hierarchies, to not bother kids that skateboard, or hell, even to read Dosto, you're a fucking tard.

>>14969587
You seem to know your shit, how should I get on Peterson and his views? Peripheral books and knowledge also appreciated.

>>14969538
His advice is supposed to induce you to become a more balanced person. The fact that it clearly didn't help him obviously casts a shadow over the whole thing. I can't believe so many people are having a hard time understanding this. Yes, if he was a doctor who happened to have pioneered a new surgical technique, his benzo addiction would have little bearing on that technique. However, we're talking about a man who gave life advice whilst his own life was in shambles. Of course people are going to take what he says with a grain of salt. I mean, if he can't even use his own advice to help himself, why should people assume it will help them? This is obvious shit, mate.

>>14969633
What if those teachings helped other people, as I'm sure they have, at least some people? Was that fake too?

>>14969633
Cleaning up your life is a pretty massive task and people who are in deep shit fail all the time. Keeping your life clean is arduous and requires tons of discipline and consistency. Not managing to do so is a failure of character, not the advice.

>>14969671
Is it though? Positing the non-questionability of any advice is a justification for blind submission to ideology. "I failed so it's my fault" vs "I failed so I need a better method". The first cause is the triumph of the object over the subject, slipping around you until you exist for it. Cuck.

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>>14969671
This is a whole load of blather trying to defend a pop intellectual whose only claim to fame is regurgitating the ideas of other thinkers in a more sanitized form.

>>14969693
That's as far as Peterson fanboys will go on his ideas, they are spellbound by some thing he wrote or said at some point and feel emotionally obligated to stand up for him. I wholeheartedly believe Peterson's obsession with preaching Jungian thought is what makes his ideology so seductive. Someone that's never been exposed to Jungian ideas or thinkers would immediately find their every word fascinating and start thinking completely outside the box. So far out of it, in fact, that they wouldn't stop to critically interpret what they're taking in at that moment. If there's anything I've noticed about Jungian thinkers in my life, it's that they all have occasional moments of pulling ideas out of their ass and for a good listener this undoes the transcendent fascination.

>>14969688
holy based

>>14955454
wow sniff man really did a trick on this guy

>>14958679
Withdrawing normally is the exact opposite of going cold turkey.

>>14955454
The message is clear. We must fear Slovenia.