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>>14965170
2033. And it will be a person that is yet unknown to the public.

>>14965170
>Spenglerian philosophy

>>14965170
25 years, me, from a forgotten and peripheral part of Western civilization

>>14965186
I would watch the negress being whipped while screwing the asian in her butt

>>14965170
ready for some prime cringe in this thread.

>>14965170
This better be good.

>>14965186
>Spenglerian philosophy

Donald Trump

>>14965170
For me to elaborate on this subject i first will need to explain a little bit of argentinian history.
After the second world war we had a recurrent president named Peron, he surged as a "centrist" to calm the waters of the current class war that was happening since the presidency of Yrigoyen. Peron positioned himself as a third positionist, being inspired by fascist movements in his trips to europe, he amassed a strong hold in argentinian politics as an advocate for the poor and the middle class. But to understand Peron as a Fascist is truly missing the point, he was not a fascist but a true third positionist man, as he embraced capitalism and social reforms, he became a godlike figure that is still revered into this day, his fanatism was so big and passionate that even small fights between rightwing peronists and leftist peronists broke out, you could call him a true adequate Ceasar. But sadly he came to a time were that Ceasar was not needed

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>>14965253
Thanks fren im the anon that asked for more info.
Im familiar with the history of argentina and peronism but i would like to know more about parravicini himself. Did he write any books?

>>14965170
When you call yourself a "Spenglerian" you've given yourself an ideological identity and as a result the thing become. And being an adherent of Spengler, you have literally become the thing you swore to destroy.

Where the fuck are all you retards coming from anyway. No I won't fucking predict "who the Caesar is" with your homosexual Dugin-pubes worshipping Crowley menstrual cake eating ass.

>>14965253
I used Peron first so I can connect it to my second point. The united states is experimenting a resurgency with the failure of liberalism, and with current movements of far rightist and far leftist amassing power is obvious to expect a populist or even peron-like figure to resurge in the current political landscape, as Trump did. The same is happening in all europe, as liberalism fails and the EEUU exports its culture war.
Someone could say that this political landscape would be the tipping point for a Caesar like figure to appear, but that conclusion would be wrong, as the united states and europe is going through what argentina already did but in an accelerated way, as our current times mandate it. To first need a Ceasar, someone must have first a peron-like figure, to install a desire in the public for a true "godlike" politician.
Now going back to argentina, we are too going trought a tought economic time, as a recession of 11 years only deepens. But the thing is, the argentinian ideological landscape is stagnating, as different to all the world we are not being a place were new ideas are being generated because of the internet. This is truly an anomaly because Argentinian politics and Argentinian ideology was never capable of stagnating; as we went from third position to dictatorship to liberalism to social democracy to centrist liberalism and now back to socdem as another kirchnerist figure rised to power.
Now if someones studies the global ideological landscape, it can sense a few things. The modern right is quickly going to a change from a libertarian approach to statist, and the modern left is becoming quickly dissapointed with its politicians. And as liberalism fails, someone can say like Braudilleard predicted: hyperreality will only become deper; so with the current liberal structures failling the working class the rejection to liberty would create as we are seeing and hyperreality of mandatory "traditionalist" structures. (the same happened when Caesar rised to power)
This mandatory tradional structures in the hyperreality can only be achieved using the ideology designed by Dugin, but as is expected such ideology can only be implemented by a godlike politician with a public accostumed to it, and the argentinian public is already accustomed to such politicians

>>14965299
No problem fren, thanks for being interested on it. I would quicly try to talk about parravicini, first I need to introduce a few points

>>14965358
Im not Spenglerian fren, but I have read Spengler and im fascinated with it, as already said. I dont personally follow a philosophy to study history, but if you would catalogue me with something, I would say I mostly follow a Carlylean approach

>>14965192
>from a forgotten and peripheral part of Western civilization

New Zealand?

>>14965497
No, way older and almost never present in the last 1500 years if history

>>14965434
Now to Parravicini. If someone could describe Argentinian culture and history, he will use mostly the recurrent time of great men rising to power with "magical realism" characteristics.
With figures like Juan Baigorri a man who created a machine that made rain, or Borges a blind man who wrote about infinity. Argentinian bestiario is fill with men like this.
Parravicini was a painter, who frequented various elite intelectual argentinian circles. He, as a true argentinian, claimed to be a prophet, but aside from the curiosity of its claims.
Someone can study him without recurring to /x/ like conspiracies, by understanding him as part of the magical realism argentinian folk. To me he was man who by being so engaged with the current culture he was deluded and able to connect himself with the hyperreality of his times.
But it is fair to said that most of his predictions became true, predictions like 9/11, television, fidel castro, artificial insemination, women rights, trump, and a lot ot etceteras
He in his predictions had the same luck of Spengler.

He envisioned mostly what is happening right now, current political instability, failing liberal structures, current argentinian recession, chilean protests but most importantly he created a figure called "the gray man" who he described as a politician able to rise from the current political landscape, who embraced the two wings of the political compass and installed a "tradionalist" like goverment

>>14965653
Such claims can be dismissed by strange concidences, but if someone studies him from a Carlylean and Spenglerian approach, it can lead to believe such predictions.

Spengler predicted the dismiss of current politics, current ideology for a replacement by a Caesar like figure who could embody the will of the people. He also predicted a second religion awakening as a coping mechanism to the current nihilism. This two characterics were embody in the mythical figure of the gray man, as a christian who impossed christianity in his goverment.

To leave spengler for a little, someone can see how a Caesar style figure is not an idea of Spengler per se. As such figure was recurrent in the european modern ethos. A perfect example of this is, and a writer I love, in carlylean philosophy.

Especially in his idea of the great man, Carlyle believed time and history progressed only because of what he called great men. Powerful figures like Bonaparte who faced the world and sculpt it in their own way. This was especially designed in his masterpiece The Man of Letters, he uses this masterpiece to expand in his love for books and history. But also he "predicts" or maybe wish, that the man who would save the west after the failure of the enlightenment, would be such a man who could embody the western logos, as a man not from politics but a man from romanticism, who oratory was so passionate that just by talking and writting could inspire such political revolution. And he would reject the utilitarian culture of the times, for a more romantic approach inspired only with the fire on his own speech.
It is quite the coicidence that such an hero would appear in the age of social media, were anyone can deliver speech to anyone. Such magical characteristics like described from Carlyle, can be pointed to especially the argentinian ethos, were a good speech was always the principal requirement of argentinians politicians. Well is a fact that Peron was loved for his countless speeches. This curiosity in the argentinian culture, could be also why such Caesar appears in this country.
Coming back to parravicini, he predicted how such stability would come from the gray man is his country that would generate an wave of "gray man" politicians in all the western countries before. Sadly he too predicted that such wave would only arise from a terrible recession

>>14965202
Based

>>14965833
Nice thread OP
Care to elaborate in more Parravicini predictions?

>>14965497
Lol as a kiwi, almost definitely not.

>>14966057
New Zealand have to first go trough the populist fase, then it could have a true populist Caesar.

>>14965170
Fellow argie here. Where can I find all of Parravicini's drawings? Do you have a pdf or something I can borrow?

>>14965203
>posts the ultimate form of cringe

>>14966049
Parravacini is truly fascinating, he has incontable psychographies predicting women rights, the space race and basically what all modernity entails and happened. A fun curiousity, he has this psychography which present a similitude to the movie joker and the meme clown world

>>14966239
Translation is wrong.

>El hombre será payaso y será dueño y señor del mundo en payaso - Cabello largo

literally:
>Man will be clown, and will be owner and lord of the world in clown - Long hair

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>>14965833
This is the most based series of posts I've seen on this board, it really doesn't deserve effortposting of this quality.

>>14966197
Hi fellow boludo! And actually yes, here is the link. Hope it works and hope you are respecting the quarantine haha!

https://www.academia.edu/38255656/Benjam%C3%ADn_Parravicini_-_Profec%C3%ADas.pdf

>>14966274
The original phrase is "El hombre será payaso y será dueño y señor del mundo en payaso. Cabello largo, frente angosta y papanatismo" acording to his book, so I traduced the original one fren. Dont want to fool anyone with wrong traductions or something like that, I just traduced the original source

>>14966278
Thank you so much fren, I really do appreciate it! I was kinda sad the thread would die because no one was replying, so is really cool to read your appreciation. Send you all the love fren!

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>>14965833
Argentina is literally irrelevant. No one cares about such a country. You are a pseud trying to mash together other psueds. In all that text you managed to say nothing but "wow like there is probably gonna be some sort of authoritarianism." Great point.

There is nobody who has read more than 2 non pop history books who does not think Spengler is a tragic dunning kruger victim trying to cope with the extreme complexity provided by industrial society levels of information
Cylical history is trash for the confident idiots

>>14966208
Kek
Is actually a new paradigm, one beyond based and cringe

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>>14966327
Argentina is the 22 biggest economy in the world fren, and an argentinian economic downfall will generate a butterfly effect in all the latam region that could affect Brazil, which is the 9 biggest economy in the world. Like it happened in the 90s-00s

>>14966339
The idea that history is cyclical has been with us longtime before Spengler. But even if not I disagree with you fren, Spengler is truly a great historian and I really recommend it to you, especially his writtings on monetary policy. But as I told to the other anon, im not preferably Spenglerian but I follow mostly an idealist/ carlylean approach

>>14966285
Thank you very much anon, I can't believe I've never heard of Parravicini. This will keep me busy this quar*ntine. Abrazo de oso <3

>>14966310
Understandable, have a nice day.

>>14966437
Np fren! Hope you enjoy Parravicini, he is amazing and truly a cortazean creature of the argentinian bestiario. Really glad you enjoy the thread and have a great day too

>>14965170
I'm right here AMA

Best thread on /lit/ rn
Thks argie fren

I'm going to be 33 in 2029, so 2029.

>>14965182
Will they be someone from the military? Army?

argentino culo sucio, me da verguenza ajena tu post, porque no te matas de una puta vez ignorante de mierda, no sabes ni leer sprengler y queres conectarlo con un autor de tiras comicas, que estupido sos

>>14967004
JAJAJAJAJA

muy comico!

>>14967034
anda lee mafalda porque parece que ese es lo tuyo nene, pero no hagas conexiones con otro autor literario porque otra vez quedaras como un idiota

Your critique is good OP, but it's just typical of the authors like Baudrillard, only your personal ideas being considered as something that has to come out of you and just by that they became a real theory, no exploring other POV's, no method.

This might work JUST as a metaphor; i.e. a way to explain the current affair, many people can and should come with ideas like this, it's powerful to do so, but it doesn't go from there to being a coherent new system where everything fits. This has to be learned in our era of quick attention span.

>>14965514
Which western areas are both old and almost never present in the last 1500 years? Iceland?