/lit/ - Literature

>>14962782
>Computer Energy
wtf does this even mean?

>>14962782
maybe to be a wagie with no free time

>>14962782
>*Jobs are rated by anglo bugman utilitarian metrics
yeah, I'm thinking cringe

>>14962782
Flipped upside down this is a pretty good list.

>>14962793
Quantum computing?

>>14962782
Those guys are worried about material comfort mostly. Meanwhile, the average /lit/zen seeks some kind of transcendence - be it through art or philosophy. Both are valid paths in their own way.

>>14962793
>>14962817
Engy is their abbreviation for engineering. Nice context clue skills you have there /lit/.

>>14962782
How can it be that a college education is within the good tier?
Almost all of the jobs within the other categories fall within the basic college education.

>>14962836
yeah cuz posting books for this feel and talking about fetishes that only appear in h-manga is sure to make you enlightened

>>14962904
The guy who posts about >books for when no gf may be the same who writes a great piece in the write what's on your mind thread. You never know, everyone has their own vices.

>>14962782
Feeling God Tier atm
Finna thank you for the ego boost.

>>14962799
Anti-utilitarianism without an argument is the gayest shit imaginable. And I'm imagining 90 trillion men buggering each other in a giant buggery tournament.

>>14962782
Learning foreign languages is hard as fuck dude. Why is that low? Have any of you tried to learn and work through the complexities of Arabic and German grammar?

>Engy

>>14962932
80% of the threads on here at any given time are thinly veiled /pol/ threads. Literally no appreciation or transcendence is going on here whatsoever.

>>14962958
>*Jobs ranked by employment, usefulness to market, salary, and environment

>>14962972
Translators who can speak multiple languages are always needed.

>>14962782
>Jobs are rated by... environment
What does that mean? People you have to work with?
Has the faggot who made this ever met the autistic fucks in those top-tiers?

>>14962971
leave while you can. I'm trying to end my crack addiction to keks since spending my time here is abysmally hollow. It isn't worth f5ing for that one enlightening thread that pops up once a week

>>14962987
Because we all know hanging out with someone like you would be preferable right?

Do they not know how fucking difficult it is getting a job in nuclear/aerospace/petrol? like holy shit you've got better chances becoming a rockstar.

>>14962994
Yes.

>>14962999
They're larping teenagers who think they'll be making 200k right after college and some girl will finally pay attention to them.
The equivalent of someone on /lit/ thinking he'll become a millionaire by being a writer in his 20s.

>>14962971
>>14962993
While I do agree that spending the day refreshing the catalog my be bad for you, I disagree that it's rare to find meaningful content in here. The disguised /pol/ threads, for example, only exist because this is the only place where you have a chance to talk about such topics without being ostracized. But of course, bait thread should indeed stay on /pol/.

>>14962836
I am so glad I own land and don't have to worry about mere existence

>>14963028
Pretty sure most /pol/tards would go to /his/ to troll, not /lit/.

>>14962782
>tfw have degrees in physics and philo
>became an officer after uni
Seethe

>>14963054
Military officer in USA? I'm about to graduate with a degree in physics and am thinking of doing the same. How do you find the work? Stimulating at all? How are your colleagues?

>>14962782

>jobs are rated by employment
>mathematics in god tier

ah ah ah not so fast

>>14962782
>my major still not listed
/sci/ still doesn't know shit.

>>14962782
The best for making somebody else money and to be a good wagie.

Some of them at the top don't even have good employment prospects but it's all based on the notion of STEM = guaranteed success

Plus it can't be denied the liberal arts are important or they'd be a hypocrite every time they sought some form of entertainment, a hypocrite on Philosophy when a question comes all of a sudden without the tools or know-how to approach it. STEM isn't enough on its own.

>>14962782
>jobs are rated by usefulness to market
>education in shit tier
god I hate /sci/

>>14963092
I’m an accountant and let me tell you philosophy and high literature requires 20x more brainpower than accounting. But, accounting offers 20x more job opportunities which is what matters to most people in the end

>>14963115
How do I self-teach myself accounting

t. math major

>>14962782
>pragmatism cancer
into the trash it goes

>>14963115
Absolutely, also most probably don't want their noses in complex texts their whole life plus having to do more than surface level readings ha.

Accounting is the ticket to an office job plus some form of job security, which most want out of university.

>>14963131

It should be pretty easy to self-learn for a math major. Just type accounting for beginners on YouTube

Or you can take accounting courses on udemy if you want some sort certificate for it- to put on resume and such.

>Nuclear is useful
If your going to rank based of pure anglo utilitarianism why is a job in a nonprofitable industry in gof tier?

>>14963131
Learn Quickbooks. You can find free courses.

>>14962838
Sorry /lit/ isn't clued into your board memes. Engineering has no y in it so don't expect the literature board to follow along with you.

>>14962782
>Shit tier
>Theology
No. /sci/ fags are midwit redditor brainlets

>>14963212
funny, they feel the same exact way about /lit/

>>14963217
holy shit man, people with certain interests look down on those who don't share them wooooaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

>>14962782
It’s hard to tell what the rationale of the creator for some of these rankings is. If it’s based on “practicality” and “return on investment,” it’s not that great of a list, or maybe it’s outdated. It buys too heavily into the STEM degree meme, when, in reality, just getting a degree in biology, chemistry, physics etc. isn’t SUPER useful by itself (today in America at least). That’s why people who get these degrees end up having to get a PhD eventually, either that or end up working shitty entry-level jobs at labs, pharmacies, factories etc., or becoming a public school teacher. I have a cousin who graduated with a degree in chemistry from a highly respected college and with a high GPA, and they work as a hairdresser now.

Even people who have gotten an economics degree complain about the job market for holders of an economics degree. Most young people in America are still dreaming that a bachelors is super-helpful in and of itself in the job market. It’s really not. It depends on how well you can network, maybe get some internships while in school, and to some extent on what degree you get.

>Accounting: Great
>Art, Anthropology: Meh
that's the most disgusting bugman thing I've ever heard. Not even exaggerating.

>History
>shit tier

>>14963194
lol you're not too bright huh

>>14962782
This chart is a great embarrassment to /sci/

>>14962782
Utilitarian anglo niggers lmfao

>>14962782
Play bugman games, win bugman prizes

>>14962836
based post. i'm not going to make big money or a social change or invent something groundbreaking working with horses, but it illuminates my life.

>ITT: seething English majors
Cope with your lack of employable skills faggots

>>14963508
>lack of employable skills
stop valuing knowledge entirely utilitary. there'd be no art if everyone thought this way.

>>14962782
I guess it depends where you are but if you are proficient in a foreign language especially high value ones you can get great jobs for the UN/NSA/FBI/etc.

Quintessential soibug redditry

>>14963516
>there'd be no art if everyone thought this way.
>ignoring all of the works of art over the centuries that were commissioned
retard

>>14963504
where do you live horseposter?

>>14963557
> ignoring all the great artists that died in poverty
there'd be much more to art if people could create it regardless of social trends and its sellability.

>rated by employment
>chemical engineering
The ratio of grads to jobs is way too high. There's 10-20 job openings for grads each year where I live, and maybe 200 fresh grads across each university.

When they say engineering is a transferable degree and many engineers work in other fields, that's not because they wanted to, it's because there's fuck all jobs and every man and his dog went and got an engineering degree.

There is huge demand for senior engineers but nobody wants to invest in the people that are supposed to replace them.

>>14962782
why would i want to be useful to "market?"

Actually try to talk about topology on /sci/.

They only, embarrassingly, talk about the different mathematical fields as relevant to jobs or making money. Hilariously, they never actually talk about mathematics.

Do they know about Alexandroff compactification?

How about the closure of a set? The difference between a proper subset and a subset? Probably not. :3

>>14962782
Why is Architecture placed in both meh-tier and good-tier?

>>14962812
Mostly yes. You can tell a midwit made it by the disclaimer at the bottom and muh military bad.

>>14962799
This. Anyone who contributes to a decadent society is partly responsible for its continued existence.

>>14962782
>geophysiscs is in good and god tier
The person who made this is retarded.

>>14962957
here's an argument then; society would be better off if it were ordered in such a way that meaningful and important things like the arts, philosophy, and quality of life in general were improved instead of the current system where everything is min-maxed to enrich the elites and keep the lower strata of society just satisfied enough to prevent rebellion. even if utilitarianism were used for good, that doesn't excuse it. imagine the entire Earth's surface covered in grey concrete brutalist factories, offices, and minimally viable domiciles for the indentured workers who operate them. one can't even look up to the starts for solace, they've all been blocked out by smog, as the factories never cease furnishing grist for the owning class. that's the logical conclusion of utilitarianism as I see it, and no prospect disgusts me more.

>>14963829
>society would be better if the arts were improved

Oh, dear.

>>14963854
yeah I typed that one out hastily. what I meant is that we should be trying to cultivate a society where the arts and philosophy are allowed to flourish instead of everything being regarded as a product. the average person chases material things only, because its whats hammered into our heads 24/7.

>>14963194
Wanna know how I know you don't regularly read anything but 4channel?

>>14963385
yes?

PHILOSOPHY IS GOD TIER. IT IS THE INTELLECTUAL ACTIVITY THAT COMES FIRST AND LAST

WHO CARES ABOUT SHITTY ASS BRIDGE BUILDERS WHEN YOU COULD LITERALLY BE EXPLORING THE FOUNDATIONS OF REALITY AND THE BEYOND. FUCKING STUPID SHIT RETARD

t. a philosopher

>>14962782
This is why /sci/ will always be a ghetto for brainlets.

>>14962782
holy shit stemcels are literally soulless robots

>>14962782
>ITT sub 100iq humanities commie moron ass blasted about their insanely retarded, basic bitch major choice

>>14965305
>what is math
>what are physics
Your field is an obsolete wasteland populated by brainlet glorified sociologists

>>14963622
>what is /mg/

>>14962782
How will they deal with a suicidal teenage son without therapists?

How will they deal with the fucking oil crisis?

How will they deal with the existential dread of living in a rock in space?

Theology is the starting point of any system so quite literally it is God tier

>>14962782
Economics should be higher

>>14962782
>shit tier is anything that makes /sci/fags question the legitimacy of their bullshit technocrat paradigm

they hate us cause they aint us bros

>>14965667
based. fags like neil degrasse tyson want to ignore philosophy because if they actually took it seriously it would expose how crippled their paradigm is

>>14965640
oversaturated
t. econ turned finance major

>>14965667
> Question the technocrat paradigm
> By furiously masturbating while sitting in a circle.

>>14962782
Art is god tier but most schools sucks so you might as well be self-taught these days, so

based and bugpilled

>>14962782
>Suicide Tier
>Transportation
Fucking nigger reddit /sci/; they're truly the epitome of brainletism and pseudointellectual smugness in 4chan.

>>14963374
Creative accounting is just illegal art.

>>14962782
>biochemistry
>great tier

nah

>jobs are rated by usefulness to market
dropped

This seriously depends where you live. In my country, most of these STEM subjects are not nearly as good as they are rated here, and the social sciences at the bottom would need to move up quite a bit. A high number of STEMfags in my country end up just being high school teachers. At my highschool we had an Oxford Chemistry graduate, who moved to my country and became a science teacher - most likely because there are almost no science jobs here except some agricultural science.
Education especially is one of the most employable positions at the moment, especially when combined with any of those other "shit tier" and "suicide tier" subjects. Law also should be moved up.

>>14962782
>god tier
>mathematics
>jobs are rated by employment, usefuleness to market, salary, and environment
This chart should’ve been the product of satire but you know it’s someone copeposting

>>14965440
Merely a description rather than an interpretation if the world you turbo pleb fagtron

Its like a world full of Legos and you say "that there is a red lego" "look a blue lego" its LITERALLY irrelevant to any interesting questions about the world. Nobody cares about your blue legos (aka atoms or molecules or whatever theoretical frameworks philosophers have invented for you)

>>14962782
>Jobs are rated by usefulness to market

>>14962782
I don't really understand wtf the criteria for this list is. I pity anyone who takes 4chan "degree tier lists" seriously.

>>14963385
History is useless and not interesting.

>>14965983
Most brainlet and ignorant post ive ever read and ive read a shit ton of /x/ tier flat earth bullshit.
Humanities fags are truly the worst, kill yourself

>>14966072
This was meant for >>14966030

>>14966072
We found the /sci/let.

>>14966068
shut up faggot

>usefulness to market
I mean, if thats your metric then i'm sure the chart is accurate enough. But I assume OP is instead trying to start an argument about the metric used to organize the chart rather than the charts organization around that metric.

>>14963504
you seem to have found enjoyment in life. good for you man

>>14962782
Why is Zoology so low?

Phil/math are the most based, but only if you're aware that uni isn't a good investment and just want to learn while not working.

>>14962782
I have heard bio undergrad degrees aren't worth the paper they are printed on any longer with regards to actual biology related careers

>>14963385
There are tons of history jobs..public history, parks, archives, etc. But the pay is shitty

theology is the mother of all sciences. philosophy is secular theology and all other stem disciplines are dumbed down philosophy

>>14965701
Could you explain why? Noob here considering an economics major plus a computer science major

>>14962782
sure.
>Graduate with physics PhD, 31, fell to his death from block of flats after taking job in call centre he was over-qualified for

economics in same tier as accounting.... brah

>>14962782
>Jobs are rated by employment, usefulness to the market, salary, and environment.

Engineers and other STEM cunts lack the humility and self-awareness to be anything but useful. None of them could become the next Newton or Einstein because they are stuck in a self-serving and self-gratifying idea of objective """"intellect""". The penniacle that they might reach is to make some app or be a cog in NASA, and even then they won't strive to break new ground or to further humanity, they'll resort to cerebral masturbation and reddit-tier "science-bitch!" ceremonial acts. Almost every engineer I know has no concept of anything greater or more meaningful than themselves.

>>14963571
m*Scow
riding the train to the stables right now where i'll spend the quarantine in case moscow gets locked down
>>14966863
i also shill farm/animal work on lit and i shall continue til the last neet finds peace and the last wagie resigns

>>14962782
>great tier
>statistics
>economics
>finance
oh no, its retarded

>>14963862
absolutely based anon don't listen to wagie

>>14963504
based horse bro

>>14967647
You need to separate engineers from people who are more concerned with what is essentially high-level mathematical art. Engineers are literal bugman tier retards. The upper echelon of mathematicians, theoretical physicists and high level computer scientists are on a whole different trip.

>>14962782
Truly pseud and /midwit tier.
Imagine having any engineering over mathematics.
Imagine placing philosophy with psychology and below bussiness managemnet.
Imagine placing applied mathematics with pure mathematics.
Yikes

>>14962782
>Jobs are rated by slave's usefulness to master
I figure the STEMlords are oh so pleased to serve some trust fund cuntlet with Women Studies major that gets an 'engy' wage by simply existing. And they lack the smallest bit of Philosophy to understand why do women despise enslaved men.

>>14963670
>I'm too useless to contribute to global capitalism
>It's an ideological choice

>>14965701
> finance major

faggot

STEM doesn't automatically mean good employment opportunities so no. STEM meme has gone too far. Degree subject has always been overrated anyway. It's mostly about connections/prestige of your school or your actual experience that matters.

>>14962782
>Anthropology in meh tier
>notnin suicide tier

As an anthropology major I’m baffled by this list also why are transportation, foreign languages, and park admin so low? They should have lots of jobs where as anthropology has none

>>14969784
Foreign languages is shit tier. Knowing a language and having other skills is good, but just knowing another language doesn't give you many opportunities.

>>14969800
Are you retarded? That’s true if you do a dead language but you can get a kickass job anywhere doing anything otherwise. My friend was an Arabic major and immediately out of college got a job with the CIA.

>>14962782
This list had to be made by some zoomer just going to college because they have no idea what half of those jobs are.

>>14967507
I’m not the guy you’re asking but I can answer since I did economics. I think they’re all garbage and it really doesn’t matter to any important degree to be honest, but economics is truly the worst of all choices. If you do a legitimate program, it’s nearly as hard as a real stem degree without being nearly as real or practical while also being not hard enough to dissuade the masses who are out to make a buck and drive down wages. It’s basically the rigor of stem applied to make believe and speculative scenarios so really, you end up studying nothing of value at all and don’t get the benefits. Not only is the market oversaturated but it leads to the most corporate soul crushing bug jobs imaginable. It’s really the new law degree, but worse because it dresses itself up as stem. What’s worse is it doesn’t even lend itself to further study in anything including economics. All of those stem courses you take, won’t be actual stem courses they’ll be called econometrics or something else so you’ll effectively have a math education without any of the actual math credits and it’s a bit of a running joke in econ grad departments that it’s impossible to get in as an econ undergrad because you don’t have enough math. Lastly, it’s just not worth studying. There’s literally nothing you can do with an econ degree that you couldn’t do better with either math/physics, comp sci, finance, or even politics/philosophy. Maybe at one point departments studied interesting stuff like decision making and political theory and whatnot but nowadays it’s mostly just monetary and fiscal theory approached through a very specific lens or else mathematical government and corporate market speculation. Do you really want to spend your formative years studying the science of corporate speculation? To give you an idea, the only parts of my Econ education I really appreciated are the parts that had very little to do with finance and that’s a very small minority of the degree. I think a lot of people study econ because they want to study sociology, politics, philosophy or other stuff like that but they feel like they need to do it with a mathematical and applicable bend so they do econ and I think that’s a mistake to be honest. I feel like I didn’t really get anything at all out of my degree besides wasted time and maybe a paycheck. I know I’ll get shit on for this reply but that’s my honest opinion.

>>14962782
discord gg /wdQfSq

>>14969819
>majoring in sandnigger to become a glownigger
Doesn’t get more shit tier than that

>>14962782
>preschool to high school education is shit tier
This chart is shit tier

>>14969576
This is such a bizarre cope. Philosocucks are more likely to be subservient to w*men than sperglord engineers are

>>14963385
should be thankful they didnt put it at suicide tier. At least they acknowledged it's only virtue: "It's interesting"

Sounds like made-up bullshit, at least with regards to the alleged criteria. For instance, criminology and anthropology are completely useless by this metric and should be in suicide tier. Same goes for Art. Social workers are basically discount psychologists, with lower salary and fewer authorizations, so, if anything, social work should switch positions with psychology. Military really is shit, but not by the alleged metrics, as employment and a decent salary are basically guaranteed. Meanwhile, astrophysics and astronomy are in god/great tier, although they're pretty much the worst fields of physics to get into w/r/t employment and salary. I suspect this goes fore some for the unbelievable tier major too.

>>14962957
>refute utilitarianism

1. Have goal of reducing human suffering.
2. All humans die, some in horrific and painful manners.
3. Thus, the status quo involves every human dying in a method involving human suffering either for them, or for the people around them.
4. Humans reproduce, perpetuating this suffering.
5. Carpet nuking would near infinitely reduce human suffering.
5a. Instant vaporization would be less painful than many deaths that people experience.
5b. There is no one left alive to mourn, further reducing suffering.
5c. The lack of future generations ensures that suffering ends with this generation.
6. As all humans die, the mass death of humanity creates no immediate suffering, while completely removing suffering that comes after a single death.

As you can see, utilitarianism taken to its fullest extent results in the annihilation of humanity. On smaller scales, this is evident through communist purges and the various genocides throughout history, as it was justified through "the betterment of society."

>>14962782
>astrophysics more useful and employable than philosophy and the military
Fucking delusional bugmen.

/sci/ is as much in disagreement on everything as /lit/ is. Just because someone took the liberty to make this doesn't mean it speaks for the entire board.

What about nursing?

>>14962817
t. computer illiterate

>>14966041
why u gotta defame my boy jerma like that

>>14962836
This unironically
Acquiring as much wealth as possible in exchange for your youth/time in general is quite a plebeian impulse

>>14962836
The average /lit/zen

>>14962782
I'm aerospace engineer but plan to go into the military. What does that make me?

>>14969890
Philosophers hate women

>>14971398
Bvro the average philosophy graduate is a BreadTube watching basedlord.

>>14971417
Yeah a lot of philosophy majors are fags, but the big names in philosophy itself are usually extremely contemptous of women

>>14962782
>petrol
>environment
lmao

>>14962782
I just got into Berkeley as an economics major, is this accurate?

>>14971428
And nobel prize winning scientists are usually drowning in pussy.
The apex has nothing to do with the majority.

>>14962782
>veterinary is not only thought of, but put in good tier
thanks, fren

>>14971560
>The apex has nothing to do with the majority.
I never said it did

>>14971551
>male astrology major
get a hobby

>>14971601
I just said economics, are you retarded?

>>14962782
>forestry
>meh tier
no

>>14969725
SSDI = $3000 a month. Free medical care and food stamps.
You contribute to me with your tax dollars. Keep coping.

>>14972091
Thats literally poverty level

Where does Data Engineer fit in?

>>14969862
I see what you’re saying but I’m cynical enough by this point that I just want to learn something that makes money. I’ve taken enough philosophy classes to realize I don’t want to study philosophy further in an academic setting since, although I love studying philosophy in my own time, the academic study of it has just become academics talking about shit no one cares about.