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Do you know the difference, generally speaking, between people who have seriously spent time studying and digesting the humanities; the ideas, the artworks, the pieces of music, the literature?

Other people are boring. They have nothing interesting to say. Because they have no critical capacities of their own they repeat the same tiresome opinions that the media shovels into to them, and then they simply shuffle around these reconstituted opinions between themselves. Equally badly, all they can do is tell inane stories about the particularities of their lives: their holidays abroad, for example, their weekends, or stories about their families. And all these stories amount to is a series of one event after the other of varying degrees of spectacularity, garnished with some sort of pithy comment or moral by the teller because, again, the teller has no grasp of any particular depth on their emotions, on events, on things.


Am I saying I never talk about my weekend? Am I saying I never make small talk? Of course not. Am I saying that every conversation a person has must be some sort of heavy, fine-grained analysis? Of course not. But this is what I am saying: for many people what I just described is the absolute horizon of their capacity to talk about and appreciate things, it is consumption and excretion, there is no digestion, no reflection.

When I have a conversation with someone I truly want to have a conversation with, there is the capacity for moving beyond those things that constitute every other tedious, ends-driven conversation. There is small talk, but there is only small talk for the first little while of the conversation before we get down to talking about things that are of any significance. Or there is the capacity to reflect on something innocuous, something little, in a way that all the others would simply gloss over in the effort to get on to the next appropriately fascinating thing done or response given.

People who have never been seriously exposed to critical thinking via the humanities and arts are boring assholes, generally speaking, and in a semi-non-judgemental sense. Some of you know what I'm talking because you've spent time applying the thinking and appreciation learned in philosophy or through literature or cultural texts to your own lives, and you realize that you're not just stockpiling cultural information for the sake of impressing someone or for personal enjoyment, but you're actually using it to make you a better, well-developed and more interesting person.

>> No.14952981

>>14952971
jesus what a fucking waste of space
>Other people are boring
to everyone else, you are "other people"
now fuck off you boring turd

>> No.14952984

STEM fags feel this way about humanities fags. Do something useful and study humanities on your own time

>> No.14952990

>>14952971
You sound totally unbearable. I hope you're drunk or something, to write a masturbatory screed like this.

>> No.14952998

>>14952971
You're under 5'10" tall, aren't you?

>> No.14953008

>>14952981
>>14952984
>>14952990
>>14952998
samefags mad because they are window-shoppers
>>14952971
You tell em, anon. To a woman, this type of inwardness is inscrutable. I think men will understand the joy of deep thought.

>> No.14953014

>>14952971
Put those trips back on dude

>> No.14953033

>>14952971
Based

>> No.14953139

Why are you a cum brain then?

>> No.14953156
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>>14952971

>> No.14953158

>>14952971
I would rather hear about someone's holiday abroad than have a discussion epistemology for the thousandth time

>> No.14953170

>>14953156
Semen is nsfw
Please delete

>> No.14953179

>>14953170
It's just an out of breath woman covered in sweat.

>> No.14953184

>>14952971
People who don’t study both humanities and STEM (as philosophy unites both) are all smug and boring assholes with extremely naive world views. Most humanities majors are consoomers who read genre fiction, most stembugs are addicted to vidya and watch anime constantly.
I’ve had conversations about philosophy and the nature of God with literature majors who had not studied broadly, they only spoke about specific ideas from specific periods without a depth in background relating everything to romantic era poetry rather than being able to address the topic adequately. You need to have appreciation for art, philosophy, and natural philosophy to deserve to be taken seriously

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14953187

How do I become better at synthesizing fuller opinions on culture? Obviously there's a skill to it, I don't lack comprehension, but translating understanding a work to being able to converse on the subject without just saying "yea I though it was cool" is hard.

>> No.14953192

>>14953179
You sweat in wads of goo? Sure.

>> No.14953194

>>14952971
>Am I saying I never talk about my weekend? Am I saying I never make small talk? Of course not.

Stopped reading there. Fucking normie pseud.

>> No.14953198

>>14953187
Read multiple authors that talk about the same aspect of culture but from different directions

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14953199

>>14953187
I know what you mean.
Just read others, like Bloom maybe, and develop it from there.
Book somewhat related

>> No.14953202

>>14953192
Cumbrain.

>> No.14953206

>>14953202
I’d rather not see it!

>> No.14953214

>>14952971
You sound young.

>> No.14953221

>>14952971
The humanities are for women. The arts are for men, though.

>> No.14953229

>>14953199
Checked.
>Bloom
Sorry anon, help a midwit out which or what Bloom should I be reading?

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>>14953170
OOOhhhh OOOOOO OHHHH IMMMM GONNNAAA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>> No.14953259

>>14953229
Oh whatever you like. He obviously hasn’t written about everything, but quite a lot of what we like to recommend around here.

Here’s another guy’s lecture on Melville someone posted a bit ago
https://youtu.be/eq5LDSZDr2E

>> No.14953280

>>14952971
It's true. /lit/ is one of my only outlets from the simpletons I am surrounded by at my job

>> No.14953288

>>14953259
You're advice is more to find other texts about a text and read those also, which makes a lot of sense and something I haven't been doing. Moby Dick is my white whale, I haven't been able to get through Melvilles extremely drawn out prose to actually get through the damn thing.

>> No.14953308

that's a man

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>>14953288
I haven’t read it yet either. I think I’ll enjoy it more after reading/listening to Dreyfus.

DLed this book a bit ago. How to Read and Why is the only other Bloom I’ve actually read

>> No.14953343

>>14953330
I'm reading about him now, and this sounds like a wonderful place to start, thnxs anon.

>> No.14953361

>>14953008
>hunanitards
>deep thought
lel

>> No.14953376

As usual it turns out that OP is a faggot.

>> No.14953391

>>14953361
>deep thought
>deep
>thought

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>>14952971
alright anon, are you a freshman or a HS senior?

>> No.14953552

>>14952971
>People who have never been seriously exposed to critical thinking via the humanities and arts are boring assholes, generally speaking, and in a semi-non-judgemental sense.
Yeah but what exactly is the criteria here? This is actually a pretty agreeable statement in isolation but it sounds more like you're saying we all ought to get out BA's reading whoever your favorite author is. Alternatively, your point is just "Read a book!" which is not a particularly brilliant or insightful comment to make on a literary board.

>> No.14953845

>>14952971
>the absolute horizon of their capacity to talk about and appreciate things, it is consumption and excretion, there is no digestion, no reflection.
Yes, the low state of culture the world over is Satanic and infringes on the basic impulse and ability to recognize and acknowledge the Other, and the Other in the Other. People that are not present can only be invited, called to attend. There's not much to be done apart from leaving the door open, and perhaps hollering at the hard of hearing

>>14953199
>Seconded

>>14953552
There is too great a part of society that remains human-animal over person-soul. The mostly illiterate person that is present with you will usually offer much better, and sensible thoughts in conversation than what we're describing by dint of conversing just to converse, rather than as a way to coom over their consooming with speech acts (a private game of non-local hand jobs, spooky wanking-at-a-distance).

>> No.14954013

>>14952971
I bet you can't even solve a calculus problem, fag.

>> No.14954133

>>14953199
Based Pieperbro

>> No.14954183

>>14952971
extremely true and well-put

>> No.14954254

>>14952971
When we think of the art of conversation, we think of something like Plato would write and Jim Jarmush would put on screen. We remember interviews with great minds maybe. Reality is often disappointing. Disrupted, misleading, unfinished. A fine conversation is certainly to be valued and hardly ever over-estimated. The imbalance between what is said and thought, or understood and meant, is brilliantly shown in novels by John Williams.

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>Other people are boring. They have nothing interesting to say. Because they have no critical capacities of their own they repeat the same tiresome opinions that the media shovels into to them, and then they simply shuffle around these reconstituted opinions between themselves. Equally badly, all they can do is tell inane stories about the particularities of their lives: their holidays abroad, for example, their weekends, or stories about their families. And all these stories amount to is a series of one event after the other of varying degrees of spectacularity, garnished with some sort of pithy comment or moral by the teller because, again, the teller has no grasp of any particular depth on their emotions, on events, on things.

>> No.14954582

>>14954013
>solve a calculus problem
I know what you're trying to say, but the post is just dumb.

>> No.14954663

>>14954013
>if you are not a calculator you are not a human
Praised be the STEMfags, the gaylords of SCIENCE

>> No.14954674

Sauce?