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>needing god to find meaning

>>14933245
Who said anything about God? Oh yeah, I forget midwit atheists immediately think of Christianity whenever the word "religion" is used, like there isn't any religions without a monotheistic deity or any deity whatsoever.

>>14933239
I wouldn't say morality is a result of evolution, it can be, but it doesn't have to be at all...

Im actually not a big fan of morality at all, its an overintellectualisation of something that comes naturally from the right kind of thought, morality in that frame can instead be a set of guidelines that are easy to follow.

In Chinese philosophy it is called Jen or Ren, and it comes from the feeling a patent has for his/her children. A good man/woman wishes to se his fellow man grow and achieve. Sure he can choose not to, but that is inhuman and will only be practised by a few edgy teenagers or antisocial criminals.

Unless the transhumanists win...

>>14933257
>needing religion to find meaning

Do you even know what you’re getting at?

Evolution is a biological process. “Morality” or ethics are socially evolved.

>>14933257
>Who said anything about God?
OP makes it quite clear by the titles theme. Yet another lame attempt to sick-burn atheists.

Read a book.

I'm an atheist.
You're dumb, just like my bitch mother.

>>14933301
>Evolution is a biological process. “Morality” or ethics are socially evolved.
Which completely undermines morality.

>>14933301
i took 50mg of DMT and i saw the Gods tho

>>14933301
Ignore this troll (>>14933301) by the way.

>>14933286
>the feeling a patent has for his/her children.
Piracy is murder?

>>14933245
A decent source, a decent potential.

>>14933306
I guess, if you need morality to be perfect and universal to be valid then sure. But then again Christian (or any other morality) is also inherently flawed because there are always those that dont abide by it...

Either because theyre non-religious or just dishonest...

This is way more of a problem for you than me.

>meaning
lmao

>>14933303
Your mum.

>>14933306
Hence nihilism. But why did we lean to not hit or kill? It was for the sake of social and familial cohesion. Something wrong?

>>14933315
A source of control for not always good actors.

>>14933239
Morality is just about selfpromotion, making yourself look like a saint, while pretending the strong are victims that need help and the weak are to blame for societies ills. Morality is not good, morality is destroying the west.

>>14933320
>lean
Learn

>>14933299
Chances are you follow the Secular Humanist religion, which describes almost every atheist, disregarding the Consumerists and the LaVayan Satanists that is. Where do you find meaning otherwise besides religion? Only a complete bugman could find anything on this wet rock or empty universe (going off of your pseudo-religion's cosmology) meaningful. There is a reason our forefathers, much more wise than us, sought meaning in the transcendent.

>>14933303
Your mum.

>>14933306
Hence nihilism. But why did we lean to not hit or kill? It was for the sake of social and familial cohesion. Something wrong?

>>14933315
A source of control for not always good actors.

>>14933306
Evolution can only align with realities. Gravity, and more abstract elements of the world, even emotions. You think beings without hunger would bother to eat?
Moral sense, or sight, are the same thing.

God is real, a true presence. However if you can't cope with it, consider human software to be real, as real as the particles you and every statement gains locality with.

>>14933317
That's a non-sequitur. Just because people don't follow the rules doesn't say anything about the rules themselves.

>>14933320
>Hence nihilism.
Hence suicide.

>Something wrong?
There's nothing inherently good about social cohesion if there is no God. There's no reason anyone should care.

>>14933312
*parent im on mobile lol

>>14933329
>Only a complete bugman could find anything on this wet rock or empty universe (going off of your pseudo-religion's cosmology) meaningful.

>uses internet buzzwords
>has a lack of imagination

No wonder you need god...

>>14933338
>A source of control for not always good actors
Duality didn't mix well with this species. Mammals are evil. Even cephalopods make better mothers.

>>14933347
>There's nothing inherently good about social cohesion if there is no God. There's no reason anyone should care.
>Schizo poster.
W R O N G

>>14933362
>uh ur wrong dood
great argument

>>14933347
>There's nothing inherently good about social cohesion if there is no God. There's no reason anyone should care.
>Schizo poster.
W R O N G

>>14933347
>That's a non-sequitur. Just because people don't follow the rules doesn't say anything about the rules themselves.

Fair enough, but last i checked being religious is not a perfect path to righteousness (how is that word spelled?)

In fact most religion on the earth has been awfully destructive or idolatrous (dunno if that is a word, i need sleep).

The one religious branch that is the least inherently evil is the chinese/far eastern form, which also happens to be the least religious and the most pragmatic...

>>14933351
>im on mobile lol
Sounds about right.
>No wonder you need god...
I quite literally made mention that religion does not require God; He isn't even an element of my argument at this point. My conception of God barely even counts as a being, letting alone something to be worshiped or even wants/cares to be worshiped. Even as someone who believes there is something more than material in the universe, I don't think life has any meaning. Being the dream of some omniscient entity means fuck all. I'm calling out atheists that are so deluded that they can't put two and two together and recognize that their framework cannot be reconciled with morality.

>>14933371
I attacked her personally so now she will feel bad and not respond

Maybe i should just leave this site finally...

But i dont think im allowed.

>>14933303
>atheist
no surprise there

>>14933366
Sociopaths, when spotted doing something intentionally malicious to one of our own are smashed with rocks.

>>14933366
Sociopaths, when spotted doing something intentionally malicious to one of our own are smashed with rocks.

>>14933380
I think you need post-modernism, you think that the word "morality" has a meaning so set in stone you need the demiurge to define it.

Read Derrida, or maybe be less of a cockmunching gay ass faggot nihilist.

>>14933329
The search for truth is meaningful.
Making up an imaginary friend as a security blanket is for cowards.

>>14933301
>Really thinks a highly developed cell came out of nowhere from nothing and decided to make different species and morality is simply the cell telling itself what's good for it
Wow... Athiests are so dishonest.

>>14933473
>Reduces the evolutinary process to chance
Really made go Hmmm

>>14933473
Cell out of nowhere? No Earth. Life developed on earth.
And your point is that everything is biological? This is just a word game to you now. Take that hamster wheel off your head

>>14933484
Randomness doesn't exist.
>>14933489
>Life developed on Earth
Yes, one day in the finite universe a highly developed cell merged from nothing and became flowers, dogs, and children. Strong argument

>>14933495
>Yes, one day in the finite universe a highly developed cell merged from nothing and became flowers, dogs, and children. Strong argument

That is one explanation, that of the evolutionary biologists, but its flawed. No one was there to know...

Now lets hear your explanation?

>>14933495
>finite universe

>>14933245
Of course you need God to find meaning. The ENTIRE of modernity can be summed up as one huge ontological crisis. Democracy, communism, socialism, fascism, etc are all attempts at "fixing" the world, a world which has lost all meaning in the death of God. Ever since the French revolution man has been running around in circles trying to "fix" things.... When his inflated ego all along blinded him from the true nature of the crisis. He would need to submit to God as an authority figure, but he refuses. This world doesn't need "fixing". Opposing systems devised by man must all eventually collapse into pointless nothingness, for the only real opposition is between the world of God and the world of men.

>>14933508
Everything has a cause and effect so go back to the first cause. It won't be a small answer.
>>14933519
Even quantum physics is pointing out that there was a beginning.

>>14933489
Cell out of nowhere? No Earth. Life developed on earth.
And your point is that everything is biological? This is just a word game to you now. Take that hamster wheel off your head

>>14933564
>there was a beginning
Of...

>>14933576
Stephen Hawking
>All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology
You know more than Hawking? Elaborate bro

>>14933564
>there was a beginning
Of...

>>14933564
What an insufferable faggot you are.

ANSWER: WHAT DO YOU THINK CAUSED LIFE ON EARTH? AND IF THAT DOESNT GO BACK FAR ENOUGH, WHAT CAUSED THE UNIVERSE.

Faggot

>>14933582
This is a theory. And what of it? I like the big bang. It seems to be the nature of the universe. An endless universe can still support it.

Seriously, no can know, but how can you fathom a nothing?

>>14933582
This is a theory. And what of it? I like the big bang. It seems to be the nature of the universe. An endless universe can still support it.

Seriously, no can know, but how can you fathom a nothing?

>>14933609
You stink

>>14933609
You stink

>>14933239
Morality derives from ethics which is the world through reason; this can exist without religion.

Dogmatics is the world through faith; this cannot exist without religion (or at least faith, by definition).

>>14933601
Cringe bro seek God and you'll cool down a bit. God made space, time, and matter. It didn't magically come out of nothing from space dust and suddenly highly compartmentalized species bloomed and created laws and morality
>>14933604
Yes and the big bang aligns with God's creation. Cause and effect, go back to the first cause. Prime mover. Seriously, Aristotle said this shit 2k years ago and still btfo gaythiests

>>14933625
>God made space, time, and matter.
Ah so you ridiculed evolutionary biology for your faggot cope, i see.

I don't know how the universe came to be, so lets just pretend a spaceghost (who is everything and knows everything, making you wonder why even distinguish from "everything" and "god") started everything, instead of just accepting that you dont know like the rest of us.

faggot.

>>14933625
>seek God
>the big bang aligns with gods creation
>5000 years ago
Huge one.

>>14933625
>seek God
>the big bang aligns with gods creation
>5000 years ago
Huge one.

>>14933519
That seems to be the case, yes. Entropy is not infinite, but steadily increasing, indicating a point it was nil.
Physics points at heat death of the Universe. This isn't a stable perpetual motion machine.

>>14933391
Have you ever been in a state where your existence and/or presence is merely tolerated? It's not a good state to be in. Tolerance is horrible, acceptance and guidance are better.

>>14933769
>Entropy
Seems a cycle like any other to me.
“Death of the universe” like any other “death”, leads to a “life”
Easier to grasp than an edge to universe or a beginning and end with nothing.
None of this, either way, validates god of course.

>>14933775
>acceptance and guidance
Why advise people to not be fascists

>>14933239
What's the difference between living to take a poo tomorrow and living to ascend to heaven after death? The purpose of religion is to provide moral guidence to braindead people who otherwise won't understand it. I don't wanna sound like an edgy atheist but you're a stupid faggot.

>Why yes I became religious just because it became the contrarian thing to be in the west, how could you tell?

>>14933239
This e-girl is the cutest, and my favorite e-girl.

>>14933239

Why do dishonest atheists privledge a evolutionary "morality" over other drives just as natural and valid?

>>14933362
Psychopaths vs empaths, no shared goals, just games and betrayal.

>>14933807
>Seems a cycle
How come? It's exponentially increasing. The Universe is an engine that will extinguish itself. But the Universe isn't even all everything.

>>14933239
>Dishonest Atheists
aka all of them

>Why do they never own up to the logical conclusions of their own philosophy?
Because it's a mental disorder

>>14933245
Cope

>>14933239
>life must have meaning
heh

>>14934244
I'm not the cope here. I'm perfectly capable of finding meaning in things other than religion and God. I have no need for copes.

>>14934393
Nah

>>14933239
>Life can have meaning without religion
Obviously it can. Most people don't give a fuck about religion, they want food to eat, a family, friends, peace and prospects.
Funny how those coincide with treating other people in a way that doesn't make them either want to run away or kill you, huh?