/lit/ - Literature

>>14907525
German if you’re more into philosophy
French if you’re more into theater and fiction
Spanish or Italian if you’re a fucking idiot

>>14907525
living languages are not patrician.

>>14907533
not nice but true

>>14907525
It would be pretty easy to rank these in terms of their quality and abundance of literature:
1. French.
2. Italian.
3. Spanish.
4. German.

If you factor in, however, philosophical works, German would be higher on the list. French and Italian are the best options in my opinion and I highly recommend picking one of those two. French publishing is the best in the world though. French is the ideal literary language mostly because you buy hundreds of French books easily and for cheap online, whereas your options with German are scarce. Italian and Spanish publishing are good but will cost you more.

>>14907525
Russian

>>14907533
Spanish has much better prose fiction than French. Italian has Dante, Petrarch, Boccaccio, and the entire canon of opera libretti.

>>14907597
hey anglo, did you know russian aristocracy did not speak russian? No, they didn't. They spoke french. You know why russian literature flourished? Because it is influenced by french literature. All the russian authors spoke and wrote french. Now take your underaged, contrarian ass off this board and read a book, because obviously you have never opened one in your life.

>>14907603
Spanish=/= Italian

>>14907610
No shit, Sherlock.

>>14907525
Just learn all of them

>>14907608
wasn't russian aristocracy german?..

>>14907525
Cuneiform
Hieroglyphics
—————-list starts here
English (indisputable)
Music (gods language)
Ancient Greek (for theology)
Latin (for science)
Arabic (for magic)
Farsi (for poetry)
French (for philosophy)
German (for being a badass)


Everything else is literally garbage

>>14907608
Incredibly based. Russophilia is the epitome of plebhood.

>>14907655
This. Don't be lazy.

>>14907525
If you can learn a Romance one, you can learn them all. Don't be a lazy faggot.

>>14907525
All barbarian and vulgar.
Learn Greek.

>>14907608
Damn froggy got real seething. Russian lit isn't in French.
>>14907681
You are just an ignorant papist.

>>14907808
Romance tongues are the opposite of barbarian.

>>14907819
Learn a real language like Greek.

>>14907834
Greek is barbarian. I'm learning Latin.

>>14907655
I have learned spanish which after getting used to it started to pick up lightning speed after about 8 months of learning, now i speak it fluently and think in it, though i make heaps of grammatical mistakes but the important part is being able to enjoy the language.
I am now doing Italin and German at the same time, finding Italian extremely easy due to the grammatical similarities with spanish and german relatively easy due to similarities to my swedish. The important part ive learned is to have fun learning it and both Italian and German have been more fun to learn than spanish.
Not saying i dont love spanish, because i do, i think it was just a bigger threshold since it was the first language i picked up as an adult, which came with some self doubt the first months or so, but now i know what its like to learn a new language and that immersion and relaxation and fun is key.
Fuck french.

>>14907810
I'm not Catholic. Fuck off. Any man of good sense in history despised and loathed Russia.

>>14907846
>now i speak it fluently and think in it, though i make heaps of grammatical mistakes
pick one, retard

>>14907846
Learn how to speak English next

>>14907868
kek

>>14907867
Fluently as in i dont think at all when i speak it and have mindless conversations just shooting the shit with spaniards. I have by no means mastered the language.

>>14907868
You need to learn english yourself if you couldn’t understand my post

>>14907847
Both despised and loathed?

>>14907909
It's "English", not "english", you stupid nigger.

>>14907937
Do you have trouble understanding the word if the first letter is not capitalized?

>>14907963
what?

>>14907963
Learn proper English, nigger. Is it too much to ask? For fuck's sake.

>>14907970
Do you have trouble understanding the word if the first letter is not capitalized?

>>14907608
>Russian literature is Russian aristocracy
"No"

>>14907844
The Romans considered Greek superior to Latin, that tells you all you need to know. But whatever's the easiest route that makes you feel civilized, German.

>>14907990
I think my english is better than yours and you’re a native speaker no less

>>14908002
Huh?

>>14907525
German for thinking
Italian for feeling
French for fucking
Spanish for... surviving
Really though German is best for philosophy, French for pornography, Italian for poetry, and Spanish for short stories. (Really Russians do poetry better and Anglos do novels better btw).

>>14908002
I'm not even a native speaker but your English looks disgusting and nigger tier.

>>14908000
>that tells you all you need to know
Not really.
>German
What? I'm not German.

>>14908013
What about for talking?

Hey xin li stop fighting chunk i

>>14908000
That is one broad statement

>>14908013
>Really Russians do poetry better

>>14907846
Holy fuck you know some retard wrote this

>>14908032
Russian sounds the best, but in specific contexts (typically serious contexts). I think English is the most versatile (look at Shakespeare) but that might just be native language bias.

>>14908018
My english is aesthetic bliss

>>14908000
Well the Romans were wrong.

>>14908051
You wish, nigger.

>>14908048
No you’re right, english is a great language, its just ruined here in mainland europe cause everyone tries to speak with a cali accent and it has lost all its personality here.
English isn’t as beautiful sounding or looking of a language as the ones mentioned in the OP but it is handsome and super utilitarian

Chinese
Chinese
Chinese
Chinese
china gang
china gang china gang

>>14908082
based and 中華pilled post

french and italian

>>14908027
>>14908042
>>14908052
Listen, let us try to find the noblest language. It's not any Romance language because they're vulgar Latin. Germanic languages were also considered vulgar compared to Latin. It must be Latin then. Yet the educated Latins all learnt and spoke Greek and considered it nobler than Latin. Never did the Greeks such a thing with any language. And in fact, Greek is the language of the greatest masterpieces, such as Homer and the Bible. (and happens to be amongst the most grammatically sophisticated languages) It is the ultimate lingua franca.
This is only not the case east of the Indus, where the lingua franca is Sanskrit and further east Classical Chinese. These three are the most francae of linguae francae. It is indisputable.

>>14908145
based and hellenicpilled

>>14908082
chinese and japanese are objectively shitty languages

>>14908145
>and the Bible
Only the New Testament. Old Testament was written in Hebrew.
>It is the ultimate lingua franca.
Greek is not a lingua franca in the West. Latin is. The Greeks were not even Western.

>>14908163
I wouldn't expect a 野蠻 to say anything different

>>14908082
Tonal languages is literally niggerspeak

>>14907594
Spanish has way richer literature than Italian lol, it is not even close.

>>14908179
And Aramaic

>>14908197
I'm not impressed to see people on this board reduce languages or cultures down to a set of empirically-observed qualities which are judged on a scale from bad to good.

>>14908145
Vulgar latin doesnt mean latin that is vulgar you fucking dope.
“Vukgar latin” was what the romans called the everyday speech that wasn’t the fine prose they wrote with. It wasn’t “vulgar” in the sense of how that word is used today.
Romance languages developed from the dialects of this everyday Latin.
Spanish comes from the Latin dialect they spoke in the region “Castille” of the Iberian peninsula (spain) and the king decided that this was the dialect they were going to make the official language, Castilian, which was later to be named spanish, because it was the language spanish people in spain speak.

>>14908220
2badfaget

>>14908230
“Vulgar”, not “Vukgar” obv fuck

Can any of you read as well in your second language as you can in English?

>>14908179
It's not about the West, it's about which is the most franca of linguae francae. And it is clear Latin doesn't have a chance, from what I said above.
>>14908230
So? It is still universally considered (besides by actual retards) inferior to and a corruption of Latin.

>>14908239
Wrong thread.
Here's where we make resolutions and shitty plans for studying 30 languages without ever settling on one just for the sake of thinking what would give us more recognition points.

>>14908239
I started learning french in high school and, now that I'm in my mid 20s, French comes across more directly than reading in English. However, I spend a lot more time on French lit than English so that may be the reason.
t. 'murican

>>14908239
English is my second language and yes.

>>14908251
It’s not universally considered that at all.

>>14908239
Yes

>>14908251
What the fuck do you think lingua franca even meas? Greek is not a lingua franca. Not even close. Latin was at some point.

>>14908051
What?

>>14908304
Greek being the lingua franca for the eastern half of the Roman Empire is not exactly an obscure historical fact

>>14908285
Yes it is. Go back to rddit.
>>14908304
I mean it in the sense of the noblest language that the intellectual must speak above all others. I know that is far from its exact meaning but let us not argue of semantics now.
You do not even know basic history. Greek was the lingua franca among the high class Romans and all the eastern Roman Empire and Alexander's conquests.

>>14908341
με βάση

>>14908353
>I mean it in the sense of the noblest language that the intellectual must speak above all others. I know that is far from its exact meaning but let us not argue of semantics now.
Lmao

>>14908304
Greek was a lingua franca in the eastern half of the Mediterranean since the conquests of Alexander the Great, and it lasted until the fall of the byzantine empire.

>>14908365
What's funny?
>>14908356
*βάσει

>>14908395
You’re full of shit, thats what

>>14907525
All ok.

>Spanish for listening to Spanish metal

>>14907525
I can read French and Italian. The answer is probably German, closely followed by French.

>>14908353
You're a retard.

>>14908565
>not for the sake of listening to Mexican rap music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PadVM8gIGnk

>>14908369
Cool. Latin was the lingua franca all over Europe. until the 18th century.

>>14908013
How is french for fucking ?

>>14908539
>>14908600
Go back.
>>14908605
Yet the actual Latins preferred Greek.

>>14907608
Anglo ideas about the continent are rather droll, are not they?

>>14908651
Why does greek have to be superior to latin in your world?

>>14907525
Japanese, of course

>>14907525
For me it's French.

>>14907994
19th century Russian lit is

>>14907525
God Tier:
Russian

High Tier:
German

Mid Tier:
Italian

Low Tier:
Spanish

Shit Tier:
French

>>14908651
>Yet the actual Latins preferred Greek.
Grass is always greener on the other side.

>>14908659
It is literally directly superior to Latin, in the real world.
When the Latin speakers adopt Greek as second language despite being conquerors and not conquered, there could not be a clearer sign that Latin cannot be 'highest', that Greek is 'higher' than Latin.

>>14908353
>I mean it in the sense of the noblest language that the intellectual must speak above all others. I know that is far from its exact meaning but let us not argue of semantics now.
What sort of postmodern shite is this? That's not at all what it means.

>>14908703 see >>14907681

>>14908712
The Greeks did not prefer Latin.

God tier:
German

Mid tier:
Italian
Spanish
French

Low tier:
Russian

>>14908726
Maybe I slightly adapted the term. It's not postmodern. I don't see what the problem is.

>>14908725
Thats so autistic

>>14908732
>God tier:
>German
Ouch, I shudder to imagine the sort of god you believe in.

>>14908744
Not an argument.

>>14908353
You are an absolute retard and I am sure as fuck you can't speak any greek or latin.
The only lingua franca today is english.

>>14908741
You perverted its actual meaning to fit your agenda. That's evil and corrupt.

>>14908753
I can speak Greek and Latin. (not perfectly, and mostly read rather than speak, but you get it)
I guess you don't get it. Of course today the "lingua franca" is English. But it is not a noble language, when you take into account more than just the present and languages spoken today, and you analyse from a literary, historical, philosophical theological and linguistic view. I am not saying anything controversial, stop being so defensive.

>>14908775
No I simply wrongly and naively assumed that we have the same terms in mind. Either way, I was referring to the language most noble, not exactly to the "lingua franca". Let us not further protract this meaningless discussion.

>>14908783
Please so a quick analysis from those points of view. Go ahead, you seem like you know your shit

>>14908783
Who are you to say that a language is or isn't "noble"? The magic fairy of languages?

>>14908790
Shut up, Jew, for fuck's sake.

>>14908821
Fucking seethe Latincuck.
>>14908801
I've already done it. Literally do a surface level research, or just try to dispute it, try finding a language nobler than Greek that isn't Sanskrit or classical Chinese. You'll see it is/was considered less noble than Greek or, rather, a language that is/was considered less noble than Greek, in the context in which it was first spoken.
>>14908803
A regular logical man that can see facts for what they are.

Germanic barbarian Frankish Latins sure do get fucking seething easily. Reminder Homer is better than anything in your language and the Latin vulgate will always be just a translation no matter how much you meme it as divinely inspired. Go ahead, seethe.

>>14908864
Homer is overrated.

>>14907525
I have to learn French and German for theological studies, although I already have a vague grasp on Spanish due to my heritage.

>>14907525
All the ones who answer anything but spanish are cucked anglos with a mediocre understanding of literature. French literature is immensely overrated –that is not to say that it is bad– and is shit nowadays. Nevertheless anglos are fond of their language as they are a bastard child of them.

>>14907525
You guys are underrating spanish way too much and overrating german

>>14909237
if you go by most important works published in that language (may it be literature or science), German is undeniably better than Spanish.
If you go by real life utility, Spanish is better.
What language is the most "patrician" however is entirely up to preference

>>14909313
That is factually untrue. Spanish produced some of the greatest work of literature in 17th and 20th century.
Only for Don Quixote, arguably the greatest novel ever written, it would be worth learning.

>>14909313
>>14909347
Forgot to say, truth be told german is the superior language in philosphy.

>>14908879
You're overrated.

>>14908864
what do you even mean by
"noble" lmao

>>14909878
I'm not rated at all.

>>14909882
Some ESL tier buzzword. That nigger believes lingua franca means "noble" kek

>>14908864
>try finding a language nobler than Greek that isn't Sanskrit or classical Chinese.
you don't know any of those languages larping faggot
>muh noble chink
opinion discarded

>>14909889
And yet you still manage to be overrated.
>>14909882
Not a hard concept to understand at all.
>>14909895
I've already explained this to you.
>>14909896
I know one of them. And you did not adress my point.

Men before we draw swords again, let us pay respects to the Sumerians, the father and mother of writing and language...

>>14909928
The Sumerians were cool

>>14909921
>I want to change the meaning of a term only because I love Greek cock so much!
We get it, bro, you're a greekaboo.

>>14909921
>Not a hard concept to understand at all.
then explain it retard

>>14909921
>I know one of them. And you did not adress my point.
>presuming to know the value of languages he doesn't even know
LMAO you're so fucking stupid

>>14907525
Master your mother tongue.

>>14907525
italian for sure
Bitches love dudes who can sing italian

>>14907533
the total opposite of this

>>14907525
spanish will give you access to south american literature as well as spanish lit

>>14907525
Bro learning another language is gay. Just double down and improve your English skills. The only exception I suppose is to learn Latin.

>>14909981
>>14910902
this. learn music instead of a 2nd language

>>14910904
this. i would add mathematics

>>14908018
>uses nigger all the time
And you're criticising the ESL?

>>14907525
Most people would say german, but I think Italian is the real answer. French works are easily and widely translated into english. Are spanish works.

Italian is less translated. And German is translated often, but due to the difficulty of the language its hard to translate well.

I'd say: Italian>German>French>Spanish

>>14910886
This. This

>>14910911
Ok americanos