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>>14900454
uhmmm
yeah but isn't guaranteed that you'll understand him. He just uses them for reference

Heidegger suggested his students to study Aristotle for 10 years to get started

Yes. I am learning ancient greek before I start with Heidegger at the advice of a greek philologist friend who has been studying greek literature and philosophy since he was 13.

>>14900454
Not only the greeks, but also his german predecessors, which in some cases are more complex and obscure than him. He's literally the Final Boss of philosophy.

>>14900454
Read the Greeks, then skip that guy.

>>14900503
He's the most important philosopher of the past century.

>>14900525
Lmao. He wrote literal nonsense.

>>14900532
>filtered

>>14900538
Explain his "philosophy" in words your grandmother could understand.

>>14900548
I'd say that he goes into the ontological discourse to prove how you're a faggot lmfao

>>14900532
its not that its unintelligble but he never finished it anyway.

>>14900548
>if differential equations are true, then why can't my Grandmother do them? checkmate, atheists

>>14900454
Nope, his philosophy doesn't directly respond to (eg. In the way Kant's Critique of Pure Reason responds to Hume), or really have much to do with the Greeks. Also, to really understand Heidegger is to refute him, because the philosophy he sets out in Being and Time is both insufficiently argued for and incoherent.

>>14900629
Winderlband:
>"Understanding Kant means overcoming Kant"

>>14900636
A shame how all the work by Neo-Kantians will be near forgotten.
Instead we have modern american influenced "philosophy".

>>14900663
yeah and Heidegger killed the remaining neokantians

>>14900663
>modern american influenced "philosophy".
problem?

Not necessarily. You however should not speed read your way through it if you want to grasp it in any meaningful way. His prose style is more than a bit obtuse at first but once you start to get it, it flows a lot better. The biggest hurdle is understanding the vocabulary he uses to describe his ideas. If you can, buy a used copy that has someones notes in it, that would be helpful. They might have underlined certain parts that are key to grasping in that tornado of text.

>>14900454
Just read Derrida. He understands the Greeks, Heidegger, and he is able to create his own philosophy that hasn't been rivaled since.

>>14900623
If you can't explain it to your grandmother, you don't understand it yourself.

>>14900548
"It sucks, but you born. You have been thrown to world and for that reason you will have to experience the greatest pain, the nothingness itself: the Death. These two facts are undeniable, but you can choose how do you live. You could chose the eigentlichkeit and don't be part of the verjudung that's killing our society or live like a sheep, following the jew. You can't fuck some nice jew puss, that's fine. But don't follow them. They must die in order to preserve the future of the occidental civilization".

>>14900686
>NASA doesn't understand astrophysics because my grandma can't calculate the trajectory of a periapsis over a finite gravitational plane

>>14900804
>his relatives are retarded
nice genes lmao

>>14900804
You're still not getting it. If you can't explain it to your grandmother, you don't understand it yourself.

>>14900674
How do I into Peirce? Looking for a good secondary source as an intro. Any recommendations?

>>14900821
my grandma is senile

>>14900532
agreed. He talked a lot of shit.

>>14900454
nah

>>14900984
Not as much as Hegel, nor Fichte. He wrote a lot of stuff vaguely but not for the sole reason for being vague, he was kind've of a freelance thinker. Fichte and Hegel were both purposely vague the former at the very least being "understandable" while the latter is just something else. Although the rewards for reading Fichte is the understanding of a system of like his soon his writings become secondary sources for thinking of it, just like Spinoza

>>14900980
you got him you won good job

>>14900464
lol what the fuck

>>14900481
> greek philologist friend who has been studying greek literature and philosophy since he was 13.
what's that dude like?

>>14900821
My grandma knows no math, my "explanation" would literally have to delve into a series of lectures that might last YEARS, regardless of how well I have understood these things.

>>14901077
Never mentioned time frame. Mathematics proceeds from a set obvious axioms by a series of obvious steps. It's only in the accumulation that the subject becomes difficult. But each step can be explained quite simply.

>>14900821
My Grandmother is dead ergo nothing is true.

>>14900674
Why should I read Pierce? How is he different from the other philosophers who’ve fashioned themselves the handmaidens of scientists?

>>14900821
Yep, that's bait right there

>>14901050
Personally he is very odd.
But he loves ancient greek.
So far he has always translated quotes for me or told me what greek words in my texts meant when I asked him which is pretty cool.
Being with him in a reading group also made it very apparent it is a waste trying to read (most) greek philosophers if you do not have some graps of ancient greek.

>>14901118
>Never mentioned time frame
Okay, so Heidegger is perfectly intelligible too then once you’ve taken the time to study him.

>>14900633
How is it incoherent?