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>Conceive something of this kind happening either on many ships or one. Though the shipowner surpasses everyone on board in b height and strength, he is rather deaf and likewise somewhat shortsighted, and his knowledge of seamanship is pretty much on the same level. The sailors are quarreling with one another about the piloting, each supposing he ought to pilot, although he has never learned the art and can't produce his teacher or prove there was a time when he was learning it. Besides this, they claim it isn't even teachable and are ready to cut to pieces the man who says it is teachable. And they are always crowded around the shipowner himself, begging and doing everything so that he'll turn the rudder over to them. And sometimes, if they fail at persuasion and other men succeed at it, they either kill the others or throw them out of the ship. Enchaining the noble shipowner with mandrake, drink, or something else, they rule the ship, using what's in it; and drinking and feasting, they sail as such men would be thought likely to sail. Besides this, they praise and call 'skilled sailor,' 'pilot,' and 'knower of the ship's business' the man who is clever at figuring out how they will get the rule, either by persuading or by forcing the shipowner, while the man who is not of this sort they blame as useless. They don't know that for the true pilot it is necessary to pay careful attention to year, seasons, heaven, stars, winds, and everything that's proper to the art, if he is really going to be skilled at ruling a ship. And they don't suppose it's possible to acquire the art and practice of how one can get hold of the helm whether the others wish it or not, and at the same time to acquire the pilot's skill. So with such things happening on the ships, don't you believe that the true pilot will really be called a stargazer, a prater and useless to them by those who sail on ships run like this?

>> No.14885262

>>14885159
Completely true. Based Plato.

>> No.14885386

>>14885262
What did he mean tho

>> No.14885404
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he is saying that power and intelligence are not equal, for, the skills required to be in power, are not the same skills as the ones required to street a ship. Perhaps away from obstacles, or to better waters.

>> No.14885417

>>14885159
he means that most people will not understand how a technical profession functions because they haven't learnt the technical knowledge that allows those who are proficient in the discipline to function. they see only the outside actions and characteristics of the professional and judge him thereby.

>> No.14885425

>>14885159
He means that sometimes what is seen as either laziness, insanity, useless, non-practical, could actually be very useful and good. Such as philosophizing

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>>14885425
holy based..

>> No.14885441

>>14885417
>>14885425
These but he means therefore philosophers should be the rulers. Highly based.

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>>14885441
>thinking thing would be best ruled by the best thinkers
im thinking this guy makes sense.

>> No.14886206

>>14885404
>>14885417
>>14885425
Why does it take all philosophers so long to come to such simple conclusions?
Why the excessively flowery language and convoluted way of thinking?

>> No.14886211

>>14886206
You might be legitimately retarded or mentally deficient if that excerpt was too long and convoluted to read.

>> No.14886219

>>14886211
It really was. I'm not retarded. Plato was retarded, for not being able to convey such a simple message in a much simpler way

>> No.14886235

>>14886219
Yeah, you're definitely a retard. Stupid people want everything to be simple for them, and foolish people think if it isn't then it's not worth listening to. The point of much of Plato's writing is engaging our reason on more than matter of fact, but visceral imagination. You just want the what so you can make arbitrary judgement on it, based on feelings. But Plato gives the what through the why.

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>>14886219
>I'm not retarded.

>> No.14886288

>>14886235
>The point of much of Plato's writing is engaging our reason on more than matter of fact, but visceral imagination

So you admit that he's a con. A storyteller. Not a true philosopher. He extends the form, for the cost of substance. And you're the retard here - grinning with glee at nicely looking words, just because they look nice. Instead of realizing that it all lacks in substance. Nah, form is enough for you.

Which is why you're a retard.

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>>14885386
Democracy!

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>>14886288
Do you think I'm gonna read all that flowery shit you just wrote, nigger?

>> No.14886669

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