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Only low T weaklings are anti-natalists.

Jesus can save you if you want to.

>>14871843
Life is actually a wonderful experience, don't let some incel project his disdain for life upon you.

>>14871846
>>14871847
>>14871852
not an argument

>>14871854
Have sex.

>>14871843
Imagine being anti-life.

>>14871870
im not anti life but your picture is making me consider it. looks so harsh.

>>14871885
>looks so harsh.

>>14871843
Nah, you grow out of it.

>>14871859
women are repulsed by me

>>14871870

They are not against life, only against birth.

>>14872010
With men.

>>14871885
what an actual faggot

>>14871843
No it's more of fun in universe horror. It's akin to wacky conspiracy theory more than an actual functional worldview.

>>14871843
Schopenhauer wasn't an anti-natalist. He had a daughter who died because of an illness.

>>14871843
>pill anything

Fucking go back to the r/thedonald, you underage fuckboy.

>>14872059
>They are not against life, only against birth.

>>14871843
Once you've pulled a baby out of a woman, you'd know it isn't.

>>14871843
Without contrast one could never know wanderlust, joy, happiness.

>>14872956
Why?

>>14871843
Having children is what your body is naturally designed to do. If your ideology becomes "I should stop reproducing and commit suicide," you've fucked up somewhere along the way.
You hate life? Stand in the road or jump into the ocean, and see how you naturally fight to preserve your own life.

It's childish and unnatural

feminism has achieved more loss of life than traditional anti-natalism ever has

>>14873153
Your brain's biological urge to keep humanity alive goes into overdrive when you see a baby take its first breath.

>>14871843
It's neither. Children have no preference for anti-natalism, and it a belief that exists for most people but declines with age.
So it's not childish.
It's not uncommon for social animals to accept non-reproductive roles, either through throwing their lives away or through submission to higher-status males, or just general depression. You should probably learn something about nature if you're going to use "unnatural" as an argument.

>>14873281
>>14873267

>>14871843
absolutely.
why fuck any rational person would want to have children?

>>14872940

Life precedes birth by all Ontologies. Even the muddiest ones, like Buddhism or Catholicism, concede the point.

>>14871854
>Needing an argument to not be anti-natalist
Yep, low T weakling confirmed.

>>14873170
You say it is natural and therefore correct, but how do you define 'natural'? Is posting on 4chan 'natural'?

>>14871870
imagine torturing yourself trying to find happiness in life ignoring the fact that you're going to die and it was completely pointless and you'll most likely never get to enjoy those again.

>>14872956
What happens if the baby is dead?

Anti-natalism is just depressed utilitarianism.

>>14874665
just because you'll never be able to enjoy it again, doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to enjoy it in the first place, retard.

>>14874665
This...

Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing

>>14872956
Your blood line will end. All the pain and drama is for nothing

>>14875499
rational utilitarianism*

>>14872229
so he was rust cohle irl?

>>14871843
This guy is full of shit does he really expect us to believe he's never felt good in his whole life

>>14871843
I won't get children but if others want to then sure.

>>14875567
>putting the word rational to describe an affective evaluation
Sure thing sad boy.

>>14876370
He doesnt deny the existence of pleasure. He thinks that striving for happiness is neverending suffering for temporary rewards

>>14876370
low brain activity post

>>14877222
kek, nice image and trips - saved

Sure, pleasure doesn't outweigh the existence of pain in life. However, such an outlook is hedonic. Even as an anti-humanist, I'd argue that our collective worth as a species is brought up by love and altruism. In being individualistic, we can never come to know the essences in their highest forms, though we come to know of their existence in the degrees to which they are manifested.

>>14873571
>Life precedes birth by all Ontologies.

Can you explain what you mean by this for a brainlet like me?

>>14877222
Unironically how Pringles feel. Exciting before you open the can, then it's underwhelming.

Bump

>>14877735
>>14877222
>>14877689
fuck lads you've convinced me to go buy a can

>>14871843
first bluepill.

>>14872956
>imagine being so meaningless that you must imprison another poor soul in this existence so you can feel better at yourself
this just proves OP point

>>14879408
>imagine being so meaningless that you must impring your ideas on another poor soul in this existence so you can feel better at yourself

>>14876364
Pretty much but instead of slamming marty's 10/10 wife he pushed his mom down the stairs

>>14871859
what is the value of sex

>>14879436
He fucked top tier 19 year old actresses regularly and the woman he pushed was an annoying peasant. My boy Schope was very based.

>>14871843
BRO IF YOU THINK LIFE SUCKS JUST KILL YOURSELF LMAO

>literally no arguments

based antinatalism wins again. The ultimate blackpill.

>>14880898
Schope has won as usual

>>14871843
Meh it´s not that anti natalism is a universal concept. In an better world it wouldnt be that reasonable, but when you see the worlds suffering and Christcucks seethe at their own suffering so they want to pull out as many people out of the void into the same misery they are is pretty disguisting imo.
I think the "some value" container of life theory is the most reasonable. Life can has potential for good but it´s not infinite and you can dependent on your circumstances decide to off your self.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MajfZIyHP8U

>>14875499
you mean plain utilitarianism

>>14880306
We have gone too far
Sex and love are one of those things that doesnt have any logical value but completely changes your subjective view of the world. Idk just get fit, don't be too autist and bang some girls. Feels not bad

>>14871843
Speaking of antinatalism, what do you think of this masterpiece (or any of ligotti's work in general)

>>14882749
I read that 5 years ago and still haven't recovered. Ultimate blackpill

>>14871843

>>14883093
I love how he frames it as the ultimate horror story, human existence. It's one of the few books that really changed me, like I feel like my life would be different (and better) if I didn't read it.

>>14883099
>needing books to tell you how to argue
never gonna make it

>>14880898
there are no arguments for anti-natalism either

>>14883099
>Frank Turek

what a joke

>>14871843
Nothing is final, there is always more. However it is one of the strongest steps in a journey of truth; one that encompasses rejection of life rather than affirmation.

>>14877222

>>14883396
This image makes me smile every time I see it. Based.

>>14883099
Shopenhauer wasn't really an athiest

>>14871852
very cringe

It's both amusing and disorienting that this board, even with all the memes and people who have blatantly never read a book since high school, can have decent academic discussions against opposing viewpoints about any topic until antinatalism and philosophical pessimism get brought up. Then it all just devolves into reddit "incel" zingers and low test retards LARPing as Chad ubermensch. Personally cannot wait for you faggots to see your little mystical blue-eyed blonde daughter either be mauled to death by a dog in front of your eyes or see her cooped up in a drug den overdosing on heroin, I'll love to hear about the sanctity of life from you then.

>>14884970
>Personally cannot wait for you faggots to see your little mystical blue-eyed blonde daughter either be mauled to death by a dog in front of your eyes or see her cooped up in a drug den overdosing on heroin, I'll love to hear about the sanctity of life from you then.
not an argument

>>14884970
Lol imagine your daughter getting raped by a bunch of niggers and then talking about "muh gift of life" HAHAHHHAHHAHHAHAHAH WHAT A BUNCH OF FAGGOTS.

>>14882707
>logical value.
KYS

>>14884970
Suffering is not sufficient cause to "blackpill" unless you're weak.
>baltantly never read a book since high school
Most philosophy and literature is the opposite of blackpilled. It doesn't take any thought to cower at the smallest transgression on your happiness and retreat to some "life is meaningless" narrative.

>>14885045
Life is meaningless though.

>>14885054
Life is meaningful though

>>14872010
>Reply
based

>>14871843
The blackpill isn't anti-life, it's just an opt out of society thing. The world is run by insane jews and the only hope we had of changing that died in 1945 so fuck it just enjoy yourself

>>14873571
I have previously blown you the fuck out from this exact argument. you homofaggots keep arguing that "kys" is not a valid argument against you because you are "against birth not life," yet here you point out that life is perquisite for birth, meaning a useful and viable strategy for preventing birth is to prevent life. preventing life removes the possibility for accidentally having a child. if your argument is that you will just kill the child in that situation instead it would be a clear demonstration that you are just a terrified little hedonist running from responsibility, as we all know you are.

>>14885017
if life is meaningless then it wouldn't matter or bother you if this happened. that you recognize this as an inherently bad moral transgression proves you do not believe what you write and actually do recognize the meaningfulness of life and understand when it is violated.

>>14885158
What's the meaning of life? Why should humans exist? Please tell me without resorting to religion.

Why do antinatalists keep proselytising their cult of extinction where ever they tread? Literally everything in their sad existence revolves around asking people to engage in debate and a ‘refute me bro’ fest.

>>14871843
https://discord.gg/SCXq7KE

>>14885158
Also I could argue that because I think rape is wrong we should all commit suicide that way it never happens again. Of course you will probably reply that maybe in the future we could build a utopia. Or you will argue that maybe death isn't the end. Which of course you don't actually know, just as I don't actually know death is the end.

>>14885260
Because they have nothing going for their life expect trying to ‘win’ online debates. They are literally the 06’ internet atheists who debated christians in php forums back in the day.

>>14885298
N O T A N A R G U M E N T

so this is the power of antinatalism.......

>>14885306
>N O T A N A R G U M E N T

>>14871843
Anti natalism is turning off the monitor of the computer but not realizing the system is still running

>>14885311
Baby born black. LOOOOOOOL this is why I love this site.