/lit/ - Literature

hajjis so desperate for manpower they’re trying to recruit on /lit/ now

sad.

>>14857171
Are you looking for anything in particular that I maybe can help you with, anon?

>>14857171
What are you talking about, man, you lost

Give me the islamic view on race.

>>14857233
Islam is neither woke (wanting to marry, or your daughter to marry, exclusively in your race is considered fine) nor /pol/ (a man's worth is his piety, not his race).

Stop shilling your Jihadist ideology here. For any reverts here, al-jihad fi sabil Allah is foremost waged against the ego, and against the Shaitan whispering in your ear. It's an act of hubris to jump straight from the whore-house to the battlefield, and I sincerely doubt that OP has good intentions at heart.

>>14857298
Only collaborator shills try to play one jihad a contrary to another while his brothers and sisters are being raped and killed. You should be ashamed of yourself. Jihad in all forms is fundamental to the Deen and fardh in its current cases

Any good books on muslim architecture?

>>14857351
I have some at home actually forgot the same.

The nucleus of Muslim architecture was the home of the Prophet, salla Allahu alayhe wassallam, in Medina. Most mosques are a variation of it, it imparted the use of so many columns and arches

>>14857250
Yes, but it is man's duty to defend his people? Are there cases where he should put Allah first and which are they? Has this ever been done in practice? What are the values concerning tribes and people in terms of importance, does the regent have divine right?

And another question while I'm at it, how come the islamic world allows Israel to exist?

>>14857387
Allah always comes first.

>>14857387
A man has a duty to defend his Ummah, yes

By the Muslim world you mean governments ruled by secularists military castes set up by colonialists (like Syria and Egypt) or just governments set by warlords making deals with colonialists for power (like Saud and the UAE)?

>>14857233
Abu Musa reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

إِنَّ اللَّهَ تَعَالَى خَلَقَ آدَمَ مِنْ قَبْضَةٍ قَبَضَهَا مِنْ جَمِيعِ الْأَرْضِ فَجَاءَ بَنُو آدَمَ عَلَى قَدْرِ الْأَرْضِ فَجَاءَ مِنْهُمْ الْأَحْمَرُ وَالْأَبْيَضُ وَالْأَسْوَدُ وَبَيْنَ ذَلِكَ وَالسَّهْلُ وَالْحَزْنُ وَالْخَبِيثُ وَالطَّيِّبُ

Verily, Allah Almighty created Adam from a handful which He took from the earth, so the children of Adam come in accordance with the earth. Some come with red skin, white skin, or black skin, and whatever is in between: thin, thick, dirty, and clean.

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 2955, Grade: Sahih

>>14857095
>that pic
Despite claiming to be so traditional it’s infuriating to see brainlets agitate against Islam and undermine it with modernism, all without realizing that they themselves are neck-deep in filth themselves. I’m half convinced at this point that anti-Islamic sentiment among the “right” is Zionist propaganda seeing as how half of the criticism of Islam is in regards to its rulings on homosexuals, women, modesty, secularism, etc – i.e. everything not pozzed and liberalized.

I’ll check out some of the links in the OP, I agree with most of what Muslims believe already anyhow

>>14857469
Insha Allah

>>14857405
>By the Muslim world you mean governments ruled by secularists military castes set up by colonialists (like Syria and Egypt) or just governments set by warlords making deals with colonialists for power (like Saud and the UAE)?
No, I mean the people. See, this is such a case as I was wondering about. Is it not your duty to fight them and to replace your government with one that will? Or does the Quran tell you to not disobey your rulers even though they are "secular", more like not practicing muslims, no matter what?
>>14857410
I'm not sure what that means, but it sounds promising.

>>14857542
Yes we are obligated to overthrow them, that's what Arab Spring was about. The movement to overthrow Saud is called the Sahwa movement, its most notorious member was Osama Bin Laden

>>14857542
>does the Quran tell you to not disobey your rulers even though they are "secular", more like not practicing muslims, no matter what?
This is the Madkhali position and they are a laughing stock.

>>14857469
>I’m half convinced at this point that anti-Islamic sentiment among the “right” is Zionist propaganda seeing as how half of the criticism of Islam is in regards to its rulings on homosexuals, women, modesty, secularism, etc – i.e. everything not pozzed and liberalized.
Those are arguments coming from the liberal establishment, not the dissident right. I would argue that Islam has two problems for Europeans, firstly that it is born out of a spirit both alien and incompatible with the European Faustian spirit and secondly that it is something that aims to conquer our people and thus must be resisted that we may remain free. Not free in the negative liberal sense, but free to live.

But if Christianity cannot be resurrected, I do see some small promise in the East, nor a vital regional faith take its place then Islam could potentially be a lesser evil to modernism and with luck and the right implementation save our people from dissolution. Again, conquerors do not just convert other people, but they destroy the heritage and culture of their victims and in many cases enslave or genocide them. This is the danger that I see, not the religion itself.

t. Dissident

>>14857344
How much of modern Jihad is effective? How many Jihadist are simply confused young men looking to lash out? How many Jihadists take money from the CIA, kill fellow Muslims, and establish brothels rather than prayer while proclaiming themselves mujahideen?

Isa alayhi s-salatu wa-s-salamu said that no good fruit grows from bad trees. If you are not yourself pure then the purity of religion will be stained by your touch. Have you performed Zakat lately? Or Sawm outside of Ramadan? You call me a collaborator but your last thread was full of violent fantasies and justifications for the murder of innocents, and that is the impression of Islam you present to the kafir?

There's no fault in waging jihad, nor in supporting brothers to wage jihad, but jihad is waged against yourself foremost. Reflect on the impression you are creating, or the ways that shaitan might pervert religious truth for his own ends. Being an upstanding person, and commanding the respect of the kafir is a form of jihad itself, since it will inspire nonbelievers to the faith. But if your words and deeds inspire contempt towards Islam then beware that you yourself don't share in that sin.

Do what you will and I will do what I will. Someday this disagreement will be decided between us, and until then peace be with you.

>>14857639
>would argue that Islam has two problems for Europeans, firstly that it is born out of a spirit both alien and incompatible with the European Faustian spirit
Does this really matter if Islam is true and you’re going to burn in hell?

>>14857639
You have destroyed your own culture and heritage, all you have left is marble nudes that you grasp and extoll with the same pathetic delusion that Boomers grasp and extoll the American Constitution. You are trying to preserve a rotting corpse, not a beautiful maiden

>>14857542
It means that the differences between skin colour is due to the different colours of the clay or dirt which Adam (as) was made from.
In the Qur'an, Allah (swt) says that He made us into different groups of people - tribes and nations - so we can get to know each other not to despise each other.
And there's another (I'm pretty sure without checking that it is sahih) hadith where Muhammad (saas) said: a white man is not better than a black man and a black man is not better than a white man, and an Arab is not better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab is not better than an Arab.
And Malcolm X said something about when he went on hajj and met brothers with blonde hair and blue eyes and saw that he understood that the Nation of Islam are a false sect and he came away from them.
There's no racism in Islam, we should consider that Allah (swt) has made us all different as a blessing and nobody is better than anybody just because of which country he was born in or what colour his skin is or what his mother tongue is or anything like that.

>>14857656
Confused young men that defeated America? Hm

Most of what you wrote sounds like it was written by the FBI or Prevent desu, and given to some pale shaykh or Sufi sensei. You should add, "Obey the law of the land" and explain how Islam slowly ended slavery, just for good measure

>>14857671
If Western culture is a rotting corpse Islamic culture is a desiccated mummy. The glory days of Islam are long past, all that's left are un-educated fanatics, opportunists, and deluded "scholars".

Islam deserves to be forgotten, forcibly if possible.

Which translation of the Quran is worth reading? I own a few but haven't read any of them cover to cover. I've already read the Bible and Gita so open to trying out other religious texts.

>>14857712
Not happening

>>14857719
Pickthall's, he was an English writer who converted and was fluent in Arabic. It was prepared under the supervision of Islamic scholars

>>14857728
Dirt poor irrelevants living in an irrelevant part of the world.

>>14857748
Irrelevant enough to be the graveyard of the USSR and the location of America's longest war.

Yes they have hardship. Yes they are without. And it makes them strong.

>>14857712
>forcibly if possible.
Look at this kafir wanting to pull Muslims down into the same hellworld that he lives in. Alhamdulillah Islam is the only way, the straight path of Allah will never lead us astray. Look at the state of the West’s degenerate culture, it’s only the culmination of the last few hundred years of pozz.

>>14857770
Their relevance comes from imperialist adventuring. If well enough was left alone no one would've cared.

>>14857772
The west is the single most powerful and influential socio-political entity in history. The results speak for themselves.

>>14857719
I like Pickthall's and if you have any experience reading the KJV Bible the use of the English is similar, or the King Fahd was good too. Reading some tafsir alongside the translation of Qur'an is beneficial.

>>14857748
>Dirt poor
Have you not travelled? Not that wealth or lack thereof gives any weight to your argument.

>>14857772
https://twitter.com/dawahmanreturns/status/1188892007571345408?s=19

>>14857748
Wealth means nothing by itself, the West is still rather wealthy and what do the European people have to show for it? Your people, and their control of their territory, are the most important things you have and the people only thrives when it lives in accordance with nature/God/Allah, or Logos if you will.

>>14857790
The dunya isn’t the end all, be-all.

>>14857786
>no one would care if they didn't care

>>14857790
It's in its dotage and can't even reproduce

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_rZwnJ1cE1s

Its economics are based on a fiat scheme. Banks don't even loan their deposits anymore, money is printed or digitally created for every loan. Rapid and deliberate debasing of currency with gold or silver heralded the end of empires. Imagine fiat

>>14857811
Outcomes are all that matters. The most wealthy and powerful societies are the best ones. It really is that simple.

>>14857859
No they're not. Societies that preserve religion and family are

>>14857854
Nuclear weapons and technological dominance will preserve the macro geopolitical context and the west itself for decades to come. The third world is economically enslaved to the west and the other great powers. It has been for centuries, and will continue to be for centuries further.

>>14857881
No, the West's economic system depends on quantitative easing and good boy bucks given to retirees who don't have enough children. It's a pyramid scheme that will depend increasingly on importing Muslims

>>14857866
>Source - me

>>14857859
Get ready to gobble Saudi and chink dick then I guess.
>>14857866
Yes, but I would also argue that this does go hand in hand with outcome. Do away with religion and embrace some moronic bohemian urbanite jewish vision of a society without duty and obligation, without strong families and traditions, and it will collapse.

>>14857859
>usury
>hypersexualization
>rising suicide rates
>nihilism / atheism
>consumerism
>over half of marriages ending in divorce
>homosexuality and gender insanity
>democracy
>obesity
>rampant alcohol and drug use
>rampant fornication
If this is what wealth brings it is evil

>>14857891
Muslims who will after a few generations become indistinguishable from westerners. Not to mention Hindi's from india, and asians. You overestimate your own importance.

>>14857901

>>14857901
Humanity in any sort of large scale is fundamentally evil, You cannot escape our nature no matter what system you devise. Accept it, then embrace it.

>>14857910
Yes in quantities that assimilate. These also fail into failure to reproduce. As the volume increases, so will enclaves. And enclaves are potent

>>14857927
>embrace evil
Lol no

>>14857966
You can either cope with it and lie to yourself, or you can accept and embrace it. There is no 3rd option.

>>14857968
Wrong

What is the wisdom behind the idea that music is haram? The best I can think of is that music is manipulative much like a drug in making one feel certain sorts of emotions, not to mention making concentration difficult. Besides that I am unsure. Perhaps the Taliban-poster can enlighten me on exactly what the Taliban did in Afghanistan regarding music as well.

>>14857910
>Muslims who will after a few generations become indistinguishable
On what basis do you claim this? There are many examples of Muslim minorities throughout the world that have thrived and continue to be to be thriving. I've known 7th generation Muslims in a western country that have not strayed from their religion, they are culturally very much like everyone else in their country except they congregate on Friday instead of Sunday and they celebrate Eid instead of Christmas and Easter. They're fully integrated without losing their identity as Muslims.

>>14858067
>They're fully integrated without losing their identity as Muslims.
Due to the current state of the West this is impossible, it's an oxymoron.

>>14858066
What I was taught was that anyone that says all music is haram haram is wrong and that anyone that says all music is halal is wrong.

>>14858066
I'm not a moslem, but I imagine that the idea is to not taint song and music by with perversions of it. That it should be ultimately used in service of the higher and transcendental. That when you sing it should be in his name and when you listen you can fully take it in. That things such as pop music or what have you are chthonian in nature, dulling the mind and spirit, weakening your heart.

I mean, ultimately, isn't the same the case for promisculity, that one shouldn't pervert the act of procreation, or the one of the aspects of fasting?

>>14858083
I can only relate to you my own experience and nobody in that country would consider the muslims I'm talking about as anything other than their fellow countrymen, in that they're not foreign or alien. Why do you say that about the current state of the west and it being an oxymoron? People are not all the same, for example in some western countries they had referendum about gay marriage and there are opponents of it ranging from 30-45% and those kind of numbers are definitely including non-migrants. Populations of countries are not these massive monolithic thinking drone armies like the Borg in Star Trek or anything like that, and for sure Muslims are more ordinary to a western social conservative or any kind of Christian for that matter than even a Jehovas Witness would be and nobody (except Nazis) thinks JW's are alien they're just a bit different.

>>14858066
The Taliban banned most music. They are Hanbali which is the stricest against music. However a cappella singing if it's not for profit or done by women (except among other women or family) is permitted if it's of a halal subject.

The position on music is based on a Hadith. Some scholars have disagreed on the consensus here, including Al-Ghazali and Ibn Hazm, both say music is halal if it doesn't promote Haram

>>14858067
This man
>>14858083
Is correct. You cannot practice and integrate. You can't even touch or fraternize with the opposite sex except wife and family. The people you are thinking of look like serious practice because they are compared to Christians but for Islam they probably are not

>>14858121
Nasheeds (religious songs without instruments except sometimes percussion) are considered halal

Also Muslim ballet (yes girls can dress like that before puberty)
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/24/ballet-school-for-muslim-kids-uses-poetry-instead-of-music-for-performances-10974080/amp/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5CjhA0BedUI

>>14858155
*Hanafi
I don't know why it autocorrected to Hanbali. Hanbali is strict, but Abu Hanifa disliked even toe tapping

>>14858155
You don't have to touch or fratenize women, it's not a compulsory law or anything. I don't think you should be so heedless in casting judgments about how well these people that you don't even have seen are regarding how they live in Islam.

>>14857815
>brothers 'ironically' watching dumb videos manage to justify their wasteful pastime by a veneer of moral superiority
Like clockwork. Such religious hubris is unbecoming.

If you'd like to understand the West, https://youtu.be/hqtPeMUMX4g is a good explanation of the religious schism underpinning Western thought. I'd also recommend Oswald Spengler.

https://aboutislam.net/family-life/culture/voltaire-rousseau-napoleon-prophet-muhammad/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/rousseau-islam-james-campbell

Islam and the West is entirely compatible, as Islam is a clear guide for all peoples from all cultures so long as Islam takes precedence over ethnic traditions. I hear many brothers criticize the west based on things like pornography and drug use, which is fair criticism, however there is also a beauty in the faustian mindset which should be obvious to anyone who's ever traveled around Europe or the Americas.

>>14858193
It's quite literally impossible to truly integrate. Western insurance is haram, mixed education is haram, mixed work is haram, western taxes are haram, the marital laws are contrary to Islam. Those are just the things you MUST do that are haram, there are hundreds more obligatory things that are very difficult not to do like a woman to wear abaya instead of pants or the man to pay for the entirety of the housing . The more you strive to be a Muslim, the more out of place you will be.

>>14858226
Augustine and Aquinas both said prostitution should be legal for the common good. The west has some things that are compatible with Islam but much the west identifies with like nude art just aren't Islamic

Islam is not meant to permit everything from culture. Only what is halal

Where I'm from pedophiles get murdered.

fuck off with this desert mongoloid bullshit.

>>14858289
Good thing Islam is against pedophilia

>>14858302
>>14858254
Indeed. That's why their aim is NOT to integrate but to overthrow and islamize.

>>14858303
Sure they are. Too bad they define pedophilia as "fucking vaginally any little girl younger than 9".

If she's 9, she can be married off to a 60 year old pedo and raped on the very day of her birthday and it's all halal. After all, Muhammad did it too.

>>14858302
>>14858312
>>14858317
I’VE GOTTA ANGRILY DUMP MY 4CHAN SCREENCAPS. 1400 YEARS OF ISLAM BTFO

>>14858303
No it isn't. Muhammad was a pedophile and his example is why so many young girls get molested and forced into marriage. I don't know why you motherfuckers try to deny it. Aisha was playing with dolls while Muhammad was rubbing his cock between her thighs. Her playing with dolls is significant because it meant she was prepubescent.

>>14858320
>if I post a wojak, I'll refute all the info taken straight from the quran, the sunnah and islamic law manuals.

>>14858302
>>14858312
I already addressed these two here

>>/lit/thread/S14651153

Working on a very long thread for the rest, it will obviously take a while but Insha Allah you will be satisfied and will find it very interesting

>>14858320
here, have some more, faggot.

>>14858328
He also owned slaves and was homophobic and a conquerer and not a feminist

>>14858343
>If i keep trying to taqiyya them, maybe this time they'll fall for it.
>P-please ignore what my own sacred texts clearly say. Don't read them! Read my posts!

>>14858356
Yeah, and he was a pedophile.

>>14858357
I actually cite Hadiths and Qur'an extensively

>>14858356
Indeed. Mu loved him some slaves. A lot of slaves.

>>14858343
Jazakallahu khairan, akhi. I had been hoping someone would take the effort to do this, I’ve only ripped apart one part before, when someone was trying to imply the cupbearers in Paradise are for engaging in homosexual acts with

>>14858360
This is as tedious as The Authoritarian Personality, trying to pathologize child marriage especially when it was so normal she was his only wife who wasn't widowed or divorced since all his other wives were adults

>>14858361
And I'm sure you don't just forget to talk about the fact that all the peaceful ayah are actually abrogated and have been replaced by more recent ones that explicitly call for violence and torture against the infidels.

I'm sure you don't only cite the hadiths that talk about peace and love without specifying that those noble feelings are reserved ONLY for other muslims.

I'm sure you don't cite that Muhammad the pedo said that freeing slaves is a laudable act, while forgetting to point out that it's true only when the slaves are sound muslims.

No, I'm sure you'll be the only muslim on the planet who'll be perfectly honest while talking about his shitty religion.

>>14858226
>I hear many brothers criticize the west based on things like pornography and drug use, which is fair criticism
I know it doesn't make much of a difference since they are not punished for it, but these things are pushed by the jewish mercantile class lording over the Western people at the moment. Pornography, booze, drugs, degenerate films, obscene music, these are all works of the jew. Again, this is not to say the complacent attitudes of the Western people are not also at fault, but ultimately it's not the West anymore but an almost entirely jewish construct built on top of the ruins of it after WWII.

If muslims do care more about Allah than blood then they ought to recognize that this downbeaten people under the zionist yoke ought to be rescued from their occupation and welcomed into the arms of the Ummah. I would engange in politics to make this happen, but the "secular" trash they send here do care more about blood than about their faith, they hate the host people and love degeneracy too much. They'd rather support some jew who gives them gibs with which to consoom and join in the AIDS parades rather than to support a political movement in support of both Islam and the native people.

>>14858254
Are these rules from the Quran or hadith? At risk of sounding like a Quaranist, all hadiths have been (obviously) influenced by Arab culture. Whereas only the Quaran contains direct revelation.

Islam is not Arab chauvinism, there is certainly reasons why the different nations of the Earth differ in customs and practices, and those differences are to be decided on the day of resurrection. Reflect on your hubris. You make claims that you could not possibly know with certainty, and use those claims to promote isolationism and schisms within the ummah, going so far to criticize pious brothers you have never even met.

>>14858374
This isn't child marriage. It's having sex with prepubescent children. Every fucking time you people try to act like this was normal and then you have the nerve to deny that Islam supports pedophilia while at the same time trying to legitimize it. You're a bunch of disgusting fucks.

>>14858361
I bet you'll even drool about how scientific and progressive islam is and about its "golden age".

>>14858254
>Western insurance is haram
If it is haram don't use it, you don't have to and if you do have to use haram insurance then that is beyond my knowledge
>mixed education is haram
Don't put your children or yourself into it then, there are options
>mixed work is haram
Don't do mixed work then, again it is not impossible to avoid
>western taxes are haram
Maybe some, I don't really know much about this subject.
>the marital laws are contrary to Islam
You don't have to be married within their laws we have our own laws, for example if you want to practise polygamy you can you just don't register your wives as your wives under their laws.

I want to clarify also, I'm not advocating that it is easier to live in the west or that people should be striving to live in the west or anything like that. My point is simply that I disagree with the assertion that
>Muslims who will after a few generations become indistinguishable
and I only base this on what I have seen myself and whatever logic I am applying to it.
To be honest, that statement isn't verifiable anyway and I'm feeling as though it is wasteful arguing about unfalsifiable claims.
If there is some scholarly consensus on Muslims living in the west today please direct me to it. Otherwise we are basically indulging in a pissing contest and we should not do that.

>>14858374
The argument "but at the time it was normal" completely falls to pieces when you consider that muslims still consider muhammad's example the best possible one to this day, and try to kill anyone who criticizes their "perfect" pedo prophet.

Islam is a rigid religion. It refuses to adapt to modern times. It keeps forcing the rest of the world to adapt to its medieval customs and logic. That's why it's a problem.

muh most feminist religiun

much feminist such stoning

>>14858410
>Islam is a rigid religion. It refuses to adapt to modern times.
Based. Lmao @ kuffar using this as a criticism. “It’s the current year!”

>>14858381
No violence if you have a treaty or pay your taxes.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtiname_of_Muhammad#:~:text=The%20Ashtiname%20of%20Muhammad%2C%20also,monks%20of%20Saint%20Catherine's%20Monastery.

If not, then ofc we will be happy to enslave you. Many of your women would be happier as concubines as you shun their maternity and feminity and don't give them masculine leadership which they need to be happy

>>14858320
Why can't Muslims defend their faith?

such progressive much peaceful

>>14858394
You probably are American and think having sex with your 17 year old wife is actually statutory rape and pedophilia.
If I'm wrong about your nationality please replace with the appropriate and also the relevant age restriction.

>>14858439
>if I spam dozens of huge unsourced and misleading posts in an ephemeral 4chan thread where there’s no time to even respond I win!

>>14858383
>I would engange in politics to make this happen,
It will only happen by jihad and overwhelming reproduction

>>14858391
Qur'an. But in fact Hadiths banning things like music obviously went against Arab culture

>>14858410
>medieval customs and logic
Islam is actually older than medieval.

>>14858453
Why can't you disprove these "misleading" posts?

>>14858438
>No violence if you have a treaty
Lies. Muslims are cowardly, lying snakes without honor and islam explicitly allows them to break any treaty with the excuse that "but I feared the infidels would attack me, so I attacked them first". As explained in the second lesson, the one about jihad.

>or pay your taxes.
Oh, really? So all we have to do is accept the status of dhimmis, third class citizens, and pay muslims protection money (jizya) so they don't kill us? Oh but that's wonderful! Truly a brilliant proposition! You'd be a genius salesman. (You know, if you were a man.)

>>14858455
>But in fact Hadiths banning things like music obviously went against Arab culture
“Muh Arab culture” = Jahiliyyah

>>14858401
I don't agree with the last section. But in my experience pure Islam is found in enclaves (which are often deliberate) which can definitely endure

>>14858458
The Middle Ages are conventionally agreed to start at the year 476 AD. Muhammad was born in the seventh century. His bullshit was medieval bullshit.

>>14858462
There's still some unfulfilled prophecy about an alliance with the Christians against some common enemy. I don't know if you are Christian? Maybe you are the enemy of the Christians?

>>14858462
>muh cupbearers in Paradise!!!
The handsome young boys in Jannah are for servicing food and drinks, not for providing means of committing homosexual acts. Notice how Professor Kosher has to say bullshit like "ONE MIGHT SUSPECT THAT THEIR TASK WON'T SIMPLY BE TO SERVE BEVERAGES". Quite telling that this "Professor" is left to such academic methods.
The verses say:

>(52:24) Youths as fair as hidden pearls will be set apart to wait upon them; they will be running to and fro to serve them.
56:17-21
>immortal youths shall go about them with goblets and ewers and a cup filled with a drink drawn from a running spring, a drink by which their minds will not be clouded nor will it cause drunkenness; they will also go about them with the fruits of which they may choose, and with the flesh of any fowl that they may desire to eat
Damn, young immortal youths will serve the people of Heaven drinks, fruit and fowl! The horror!
76:19
>There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls.

Funnily in that same ""lesson"" by our professor, he claims that the wine of Jannah does not cause hangovers - which is false, because it doesn't even intoxicate - (37:46-47) " white, sparkling (wine), a delight to the drinkers. There will neither be any harm in it for their body nor will it intoxicate their mind."

And then, as I'm sure everyone knows, Homosexuality is repeatedly condemned in the Qur'an and ahadith:
>The Prophet said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
https://sunnah.com/abudawud/40/112

26:165-166:
>Do you approach males among the worlds / And leave what your Lord has created for you as mates? But you are a people transgressing."
And then they are utterly destroyed:
26:173:
>And We rained upon them a rain [of stones], and evil was the rain of those who were warned.
Homos are described as ignorant:
27:55
>Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly."

Some cuck might say "b-but it's different in Jannah!!" but it's clear again from the Qur'an that sin is not permitted in Jannah - (56:25)

Pic related would be enough in a sane world to prove that islam is not compatible with western civilization.

>>14858410
>>14858423
>>14858433

>Islam is a rigid religion. It refuses to adapt to modern times.

"Yes"

>>14858474
Ah, I stand humble and corrected. Thankyou anon!

>>14858481
>islam is not compatible with western civilization.
Good

>>14858479
>Youths as fair as hidden pearls
Yeah, totally not gay to remark how pretty the boys are.

Fucking christ, you muslims are such goddamn faggots it's actually hilarious. That sentence is in your eternal, perfect, holy book, and it reads like gay fanfiction.

>>14858479
>he claims that the wine of Jannah does not cause hangovers - which is false, because it doesn't even intoxicate
That's what it means, faggot. It doesn't cause hangovers because it doesn't intoxicate you. What the fuck do you think that means? My god you're retarded.

>>14858492
>>14858502
Triggered

>>14858482
The problem is that it's also an incredibly obtuse, stupid religion. Science and progress is simply impossible when you're constrained by a system that imprisons or kills you for questioning its retarded medieval dogmas.

Also, they rape little girls.

>>14858462
Attacking first if the enemy is preparing to attack you is fine, yes, unless you have a treaty in the name of God

Taxes work the same under all government. Pay or face the consequences. Jizya is less than everyone else and women, children, infirm, poor, elderly,monks and priests are all exempt

>>14858504
Excellent remark. So that's the power of muslim faggotry.

>>14858509
Except muslims don't have to prove that the enemy was about to attack them. No evidence whatsoever is needed. Islamic law manuals are very clear. You can simply break any truce and then claim that they were gonna attack you. As usual, islam is very convenient for muslims and very unfair for everybody else.

>>14858492
>cannot notice that a boy is good looking without thinking about pedo-homo
I'm sorry for you. You shouldn't be thinking like that it is perverse and unnatural.

>>14858509
Don't even fucking try to present a system of servitude like the dhimmitude as fair or acceptable, piece of shit. We're not medieval worms like you inbred faggots. We're not gonna buy it.

>>14858508
We are not opposed to child marriage, it lowers divorce rate and strengthens bonding. Your society is pushing children to "experiment" and destigmatizing adults using children sexually with no marital commitment which WILL traumatize them and make them afraid or unable to attach

>>14858524
...said the faggot part of the religion that invented the bacha bazi and has pedo gay rape endemic in all its culture, because polygamy creates a situation where all the women are taken by the wealthiest males and millions of poor males can't hope to find a wife and so resort to boys and goats.

>>14857929
>>14857910
I agree I think thats wishful thinking and focuses too heavily on 1st generation migration. When you look at younger Muslims their views are vastly more progressive and Islamic enclaves will naturally taper off much like they do with Haredi Jews or Fundamentalist Mormons.

>>14858520
>You can simply break any truce and then claim that they were gonna attack you
Allah (swt) is well aware of everything that you do.

I can’t wait until the West is Islamized. Europe is ours, kuffar.

>>14858526
>We're not gonna buy it.
You don't have to. If a muslim army arrives at you, you can fight or run away. The world is very big.

>>14858528
>it lowers divorce rate
What lowers divorce rates is more the fact that women get beaten/killed/imprisoned if they dare to speak against their husbands or leave them. Not to mention that they can be thrown on the streets with no financial protection whatsoever, and at that point anybody can rape them at will and their own family will often repudiate them.

>>14858536
Stop saying things that contradict themselves in the same sentence.

>>14858508
>Also, they rape little girls.
The cunnyseur thing is probably the least broken part of Islam, if I'm being honest.

>>14858540
Allah (shit is his name) is the fantasy of a mentally ill, inbred medieval pedo.

>>14858547
Please, be that stupid. Attack us openly, instead of sneaking into our countries like cowards, like beggars, abusing our generosity. Be that stupid, and we'll destroy you like we did with your retarded ancestors. This time, though, we'll finish the job.

>>14858520
Islamic law manuals say you need probable cause. However peace treaties are not meant to be permanent (and historically never are), as our goal is conquest of the world. But we won't break an oath in God's name unless you betray us first as breaking such an oath without you intending to do so would be a serious transgression.

>>14858549
>What lowers divorce rates is more the fact that women get beaten/killed/imprisoned if they dare to speak against their husbands or leave them. Not to mention that they can be thrown on the streets with no financial protection whatsoever, and at that point anybody can rape them at will and their own family will often repudiate them.
Based.

>>14858559
Nothing in that sentence was a contradiction. You muslims should learn to read before trying to discuss with your betters. Or, you know, you could kill yourselves and clean the world from the vomit stain that is your existence.

>>14858538
Orthodox Jewish enclaves don't taper off. Also the Muslim ones I have seen are very fertile

>>14858571
>our goal is conquest of the world
And there you go. Straight from the inbred's mouth. Thank you for proving once again that islam is a sickness that is incompatible with actual humans and must be eradicated from our planet. My job here is done.

Lel just imagine some angry /pol/tard pounding this shit out on his keyboard. What a sad life

>>14858549
This is incorrect. Beating your wife cannot be hard enough to mark or maim her otherwise you are liable for qisas (an eye for an eye). Upon marriage a wife is given a large sum and an equal sum is set aside in the event of divorce

Families don't repudiate divorced wives

>>14858562
The thing is even if Aisha (ra) was 9, and that's debatable, but even if she was 9 it is entirely possible that she had entered into puberty by that age. Also it is not rape if it is consensual.
She was married at 6, so why wait years for her? Muhammad (saas) didn't do anything without any reason.

>>14858276
>Augustine and Aquinas both said prostitution should be legal for the common good
And Schopenhauer argued correctly that prostitution was the necessary result of monogamy. Isa pbuh befriended prostitutes. Musa pbuh murdered a man and was forced to flee Egypt because of it. Muhammad pbuh was chastised by Allah for actions he took. No man is entirely halal, not even the best of us. All the moreso for civilizations. Western civilization is not monolithic, but for those of us living in the west we are forced to contend with it. A society that produced Shakespeare, Goethe, Beethoven and so many other great men should not be completely discounted just because it has negatives as well.

>>14858383
>support a political movement in support of both Islam and the native people
Does this exist? I've yet to see it in the west. Also you seem too willing to scapegoat the Jews for the problems of our own communities. Westerners have been entirely complicit in what has been happening over the last several generations, and being unwilling to reconcile this fact will not help you in the long run. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party for their part had no problem murdering Christians and dismantling Churches, and also preyed on the weak of society such as the disabled by murdering them and stealing their possessions, while the Qur'an teaches compassion and charity. They deserved the ruin the sewed for themselves.
Try visiting a mosque sometime anon. There are brothers of all races and nationalities that conjugate there for worship. I do agree there are many 'secular muslims' and immigrants who are only interested in self-serving aims, however these people aren't representative of the religion as a whole.
It's a shame that the western world doesn't have much in the way of authentically conservative politics. A mixture of third-worldism, religious orthodoxy, and western conservatism could potentially be quite potent, but as it stands now too many so called right wingers are only looking for an excuse to harass immigrants and stroke their ego.

>>14858566
My point was that you don't have to be a dhimmi if you don't want to be. May Allah (swt) curse your blasphemous fingers.

>>14858587
>NOOOOO

>>14858445
>progressive much peaceful
If they were then nobody would have any respect for them. You keep taking your absolutely retarded dumbshit post-enlightenment judeo-liberal framework as some sort of absolute truth which people must follow. But what if you don't buy into the frankly moronic idea of progress? What if you think the West has become too feminised under the jews and that stoning maybe isn't such a bad thing in the grand scheme of things if it keeps society from sliding into whatever hellscape the West is?

>>14858580
The religion is clearly against homosexual practices, yet you blame homosexual practises on the religion.

>>14858536
Read the first two articles on the Taliban in the OP. You will be red pilled

>>14858492
Why do you hate men (yourself?) to such an extent that you cannot appreciate the beauty of the young male form? You've been indoctrinated in homosexual ideology that you cant view affection, attraction, and love between two men as anything but homosexual.

>>14858605
It would be pointless going into an argument with Americans and accusing them of trying to rule the world and force other peoples to their will by military and other means, it is obvious. Let them waste their energy accusing others of the same thing as if there's any shame in it. Islam is the truth.

>>14858633
They’re too far gone, any form of close male friendship has been poisoned by the Jews and their mass-astroturfing of homosexuality into the Western consciousness. The normalization of this perversion has been profoundly damaging among normal males, who are with its increasingly visibility increasingly insecure and terrified of being perceived as a homosexual, being afraid to touch men in way whatsoever and peppering their speech with “no homo”, not even being able to say that they love their close friends. It’s sad honestly

>>14858679
You do realize that there is a massive low-key culture of homosexuality in Islamic countries, especially among the Taliban, due to intense segregation of the sexes?

Have you ever lived in a Muslim land or are you just a confused white larper?

> When the wife he raped at age 9 cheats on him when she's 14 and he copes by claiming to have received a revelation from God that she's innocent

>>14858571
Ethiopia at the least is off limits from jihad, unless they directly attack Islam, due to the King providing refuge for Mohammad's family (peace be upon them).

Read your history books, and stop stewing so much in edgy ideology. You are disgracing Islam for the sake of the kafir. Reflect on what you say and do, especially around nonbelievers. I'm sure on could walk into any church and find a dozen men more pious than you, with your hubris. You tarnish the name of Islam in order to justify your evil desires for violence and brutality.

I wont waste my time with this thread any more, but I hope you pray and reflect. Consider the fruition of your thoughts and actions rationally. In your desire for piety you are giving justification to the enemies of Islam.

>>14858690
>>14858632

Put down the Kike Runner and read the articles

>>14858719
>Ethiopia is off limits

Say this to a Somalian's face. You have no clue what Ethiopia has done to Muslims

>>14858713
His wife was accidently left behind by the caravan (women were at the back). The soldier guarding the rear as scout came upon her stranded and let her ride his camel while he walked. From this many vicious rumors spread by people who liked to gossip or hated her. You will be accountable for the lies you tell

>>14858727
You never answered the question if you're a white larper or not. Have you ever lived in a Muslim land?

>>14858746
lol even her parents were convinced she cheated on him...probably because a 54 year old man raping a 9 year is cringe to anyone with an ounce of ethical judgment? was big mo just tired of fucking other people's wives (aisha was the first virgin he fucked)?

>>14858750
I in fact did. You however didn't answer my question as to how your views as an apostate represent Egypt's when most og Egypt wants Shari'a

>>14858759
Abu Bakr, radhi Allahu anhu, was bothered by the rumors but never accused her or believed them. You are a pathological liar

>>14858733
Enlighten me anon. I don't know much about the region, other than that Ashama ibn Abjar lent help to Muhammad and that subsequently Muslims were instructed to live in harmony with Christians there. Obviously the communists which now rule there are not people of the book, but there is certainly a historical precedent of fraternity between Muslims and Christians.

Allah gave men a heart so they could recognize virtue even in the lack of religious instruction, and some of the most virtuous men of history have been pagans without any knowledge of Islam. When you claim superiority to these men, you are saying that in Allah's eyes you are above the very best of humanity. It's arrogant and presumptuous. Everything will be decided on the day of judgement and it will be decided by Allah, not by me or by you or any imam or scholar.

>>14858774
>You are a pathological liar

you mean aisha

لقد نزلت آية الرجم ورضاعة الكبير عشرا ولقد كان في صحيفة تحت سريري فلما مات رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم وتشاغلنا بموته دخل داجن فأكلها.

>>14858690
Kinda irrelevant, his point is true and valid irrespective of the muslim element

>>14858690
I’m not even a Muslim, it’s just what I’ve noticed as an American. Calm down sperg

>>14858719
>Read your history books, and stop stewing so much in edgy ideology. You are disgracing Islam for the sake of the kafir.

This 100%.

>>14858342
>islamic law manuals.

>>14858713
Cult leader's lives in a nutshell. Yessir God hasn't said a damn word for centuries but while the prophet is alive he sure is a chatty bugger, handing on revelations like crazy to tell you to take off your shoes when you enter the prophet's house cause his wife is sick of cleaning up muddy footprints

>>14858584
>Orthodox Jewish enclaves don't taper off.
I think is reason to believe that they will given the slow decline in their traditionally high birth rates.

>Also the Muslim ones I have seen are very fertile
The issue is not fertility but retention and that something which is something which the UK has shown isnt particularly powerful - though its not something limited to Islam itself most religions suffer.

>>14858791
Ethiopia was deliberately given control over parts of Somalia by colonialists. They have refused to release them and there has been multiple wars over this. Ethiopia also bombs Islamists in Somalia and is currently conducting pogroms on Muslims

Men who had no knowledge of Islam were either saved Jews and Christians, or are tested in the next life instead of this one. How that's relevant I don't know.

>>14858817
He should read his fiqh manuals. Any of the four Imams. Or Ibn Hazm

>>14858843
Retention is much better in enclaves

I thought /lit/ was free of most /pol/ level autists and had actual discussions but I guess not.

>>14858719
Men appreciate honesty,not simping. Can't stand Muslims who simp for the kuffar

>Narrated 'Aisha and 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas: When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done.
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:427

Are there any good versions of the Quaran for people outside of the religion?
I have no interest in converting to islam but I am curious to read it. I enjoy reading religious texts, but have mostly kept to things in line with catholicism.

Id prefer something closer to the source material. I dont want a "my first Quaran" book that dumbs things down or simplifies passages for the modern retard (like the NIV did to the Bible)

>>14858874
hasn't for years

>>14859049
Arberry's is secular and very literal. The text is very contextual though and uses idioms and constructions sometimes totally confusing in English, so check out Maududi's tafsir on quran.com for passages that puzzle you

>>14859049
Also Pickthall's is really good.
>>14857735

>>14857233
Implicitly Arab supremacist, but not dramatically so

>>14859085
Where is that implied

>>14859116
I don't know, because I don't actually have any idea what I'm talking about, but I was pretty sure of it when I first started thinking that idea.

>>14859226
Islam agreed with a great deal of Bedouin etiquette and culture but it radically challenged as much, perhaps more, to the extent that Christianity was more an expression of Greek culture than Islam was Bedouin culture

>>14858600
>And Schopenhauer argued correctly that prostitution was the necessary result of monogamy.
That doesn't follow and prostitution is not halal for husbands with only one wife which is considered preferable in two of four maddhabs. Polygyny in Islam has to do with fertility, not lust. Wives are not concubines

Al-Banna, from the Muslim Brotherhood's platform

More samefagging going on in these threads than in the guenon threads, lmao

>>14860308
>relinquish government interest
>nationalize most industries
Seems like a good way to wreck your economy.

>>14860328
Interest drives growth but at tremendous cost like increased housing costs and ultinately credit based economics are a pyramid scheme

If foreign interests control most of your domestic industries, as you say, it means they control your country

>>14860341
>Interest drives growth but at tremendous cost like increased housing costs and ultinately credit based economics are a pyramid scheme
I agree, but canceling interest on already existing loans will cause an immediate shortage of projected funds and force a recalculation of the entire economy.

>If foreign interests control most of your domestic industries, as you say, it means they control your country
If your country lacks internal resources it's going to rely on foreign investment for a variety of things. Domestic Industry is already domestic, as per the name, and "foreign economic projects" aren't necessarily recourse extractive. An example would be things like international hotels, restaurants, and so on. Nationalize these if you want, but the government (which is now already scrambling to make ends meet because you've reduced their projected budget by 10% by forgiving interest on loans) isn't going to be able to foot the bill for every McDonalds employee and Hilton concierge in Egypt, especially on a non-credit based economy. As well, some industries are necessarily multinational- air travel for example. Sure you can kick Ethiopian Airlines out of the country but now you've lost air access to most of Africa.

I don't disagree with the principle, but the implementation of these points would take years and a lot of finesse.

>>14860369
The government probably owes more interest than it takes in

TELL ME ABOUT ISLAM... WHY SHOULD I BOTHER AS A CHRISTIAN TO EVEN CONSIDER YOUR RELIGION????

>>14860492
Tawhid

>>14860492
You shouldn't.

>>14862138
Why not?

>>14857403
So it's useless in the fight against wokeness, lame

>>14857719
Abdel Haleem. The man might have some heretical views and interpretations, but his Quran translation is very well written, easily understood, and it has nice footnotes that clarify some issues for people with little prior knowledge.

>>14861014
Having men work with women, right, is like having grizzly bears that work with salmon,- dipped in honey.

>>14862179
Why would we want to fight wokeness?

Is "The Sealed Nectar" a good book to get started with if you want to learn about Islam?

>>14862760
Yes, very

>>14862760
It's definitely the best one volume biography of the Prophet, salla Allahu alayhe wassallam. Mainly because unlike other biographies, Ling's for example, the Sealed Nectar is scrupulous about isnad and corroboration rather than just using whatever sensationalist accounts are available. So if the Seerah is the angle you want to start your study of Islam from, go for it.


Another one-volume angle is The Complete Idiot's Guide to Islam. It's not perfect but as far as introductions to Islam written for people who aren't Muslims go, it's by far the best I have come across.

If you want something comprehensive, I still recommend newmuslimacademy.org A big advantage here is multiple scholars so if one is biased on errs on something you can easily notice as it will contradict the rest

>>14862769
>>14862953
Gonna be honest, the book looks so dry. I'm really busy with work right now so I need something easier to condense. I just wanna know the core tenants of Islam, like the 5 pillars, why Muslims can't eat Pork etc.. I'm not interested in what for Abdul Bin Tariq bin Aziz attacked in 1200 BC.

>>14863107
The book is really dry in translation, that's its major drawback.

Here this is what you're looking for
https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=7F549181A5129E0360E2D7F0C7A0D87A

>>14863135
>https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=7F549181A5129E0360E2D7F0C7A0D87A
Link won't open. What's the name of the book?

>>14863152
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Islam

Aren't Islam's ideas about predestination & free will very similar to those of Calvinism? Even the 17th century Canons of Dort implies at least someone accused Calvinism of being some sort of "interpolated Turkism (Islam)". I believe it was a common European conjecture that Islam teaches fatalism.

>>14863261
Dort must be an imbecile since Turks are Maturidi (Islamic school of free will).

>>14857095
my diary sandnigesu

>>14862186
He basically works for the British government to "modernize" Islam

Shi'ites in Germany lol. Any wonder why most Sunnis see them as a totally different religion?

Shi'ites

https://twitter.com/DVATW/status/1237074391898509314?s=19

i just spent a year faking being a muslim to keep a job is this some wher you pig fuckers recruit on i feel like the ministry of security is going to fuck me for even being in this thread

Whenever these kuffar post those long ass pics with dozens and dozens of accusations against Islam, do they actually think they're going to btfo the religion? First off, no one is going to bother refuting 100 accusations made by you posting a single picture, because who the fuck has time to do so - Gish Gallops don't open up for any real discussion. But worse than that, half the shit they accuse us of are things we don't even deny.

Yes, the Prophet (saw) did marry Aisha at 6, and he waited 3 years until she reached puberty to consumate the marriage. Yes, he did fight and kill trecherous Jews, and expelled those of them who refused the religion from the holy land. Yes, our religion teaches that homosexuals, sexual deviants, adulterers, murderers, rapists, pornographers, and people who blaspheme against God should be killed. Yes, our religion teaches corporal punishments for everyone who spreads degeneracy in society. Yes, our religion teaches that the man is the head of the family, and he is responsible for the welfare of his household, while the woman is responsible for the welfare of her husband. Half the things you Western degenerates accuse us of are true, yet you keep screeching about them as if that is going to make us stop practicing the Deen of Allah. Islam is the only religion that can survive in these times of rampant immorality - while Christianity and Judaism bow to every new deviant group, Muslim fight back. Our Deen cannot be changed by human hands. So keep screeching and barking, you disgusting dog people - the lion will not bark back at you, but he might decide to tear your throat out.

>>14865709
>dozens and dozens of accusations
They're mostly citations taken straight from the quran and the sunnah. Pretty fucking damning.

>>14865709
>did marry Aisha at 6, and he waited 3 years until she reached puberty
Not how puberty works. A girl of 9 has maybe STARTED puberty, maybe, but she certainly hasn't gone through it. Hence why if you fuck a 9 yo in a civilized country, you're imprisoned for pedophilia.

Muhammad was a pedophile, a murderer and a cowardly thin-skinned one too. He didn't even assassinate people himself, he told his retarded followers to do it.

>>14865709
Whenever these mongoloid muslim inbreds post those long ass threads with dozens and dozens of bullshit virtues about Islam, do they actually think they're going to convince anyone islam isn't shit?

>>14858302
>>14858312
>>14865718
Not how it works. You can easily cite something, and yet misrepresent it, or add your own twisted understanding to it. In any case, I am referring to the two I have linked, as I haven't bothered to read through the other pics yet.

>>14865724
Did I say she finished puberty? I said she reached it. Sexual desire, and the capacity to enjoy and want sex, is not dependent on one finishing puberty. The body keeps growing and changing for more than a decade after one enters puberty, but desire tends to start around the age of 10 for most people.

>>14865731
Go make out with a dog.

>>14865709
>Yes, our religion teaches that ... sexual deviants, adulterers, murderers, rapists, ... and people who blaspheme against God should be killed.
In that case Mohammed (rest in piss) should have been first on the chopping block.

>>14865747
Again, go make out with a dog.

>>14865709
>>14865734
>>14865754
>yeah, there's nothing wrong with marrying 9yos
Surprisingly based, honestly

>>14865709
>Yes, the Prophet (saw) did marry Aisha at 6
Kill yourself disgusting devil worshipper. You'll burn in Hell, you and the rest of your inbred satanic cult.