/lit/ - Literature

>>14845893
to filter those who are unworthy

>>14845893
ngmi

>>14845893
do you claim that unneeded details and preaching are negatives?

>unneeded

Congratulations, you got pleb filtered.

>>14845916
I feel they get in the way of the narrative, yeah. There's better ways to put info and positions into your work than just stepping out of the narrative and info dumping

>>14845921
the more to books than narrative

>>14845918
They add nothing to the story so yes, they are unneeded. It's just Melville being pedantic. Yeah we get it, you like whales and you know a lot about whales! Now shut the fuck up and let me know more about those characters and what will happen to them, you pretentious hack.

>>14845921
Cringe.

>>14845953
awwww anon gets bored with details. You should try netflix! Lots of action and tits!

>>14845959
Copy pasting the wikipedia article about whales is not making "details".

>>14845964
let me guess when Homer did the same thing in the Illiad you fell asleep too?

>>14845969
with ships

>>14845959
There's ways to inform without turning into a text book and still be engaging.

>>14845976
Ah yes one must be entertained at all costs

>>14845969
Yes, stop adding unnecesary info in your books. You are not clever, you are filling space with repetitive bullshit. Try telling of stories and describing ehat the characters feel or see. Try describing the enviroment, not useless knowledge you have to spoil all over because you are a pedantic piece of shit.

>>14845989
what do you prefer? fav book?

Honestly, my problem is less to do with the info itself, and more to do with how he put it into the story. Completely rips out you and just turns into a text book. That's not good writing, I don't care who you are.

>>14845893
THANK YOU OP. I'VE BEING TELLING THE SAME TO THIS BOARD SINCE THE DAY I CAM IN HERE

OP, moby dick is about those details. The narrative is more or less meaningless. They have a brainlet edition for you called 'abridged'.

>>14845989
>describing ehat the characters feel or see. Try describing the enviroment,

Ask me how I know you didn't get more than 5 chapters in.

> Chief among these latter was a great Sperm Whale, which, after an unusually long raging gale, had been found dead and stranded, with his head against a cocoa-nut tree, whose plumage-like, tufted droopings seemed his verdant jet. When the vast body had at last been stripped of its fathom-deep enfoldings, and the bones become dust dry in the sun, then the skeleton was carefully transported up the Pupella glen, where a grand temple of lordly palms now sheltered it.

The ribs were hung with trophies; the vertebræ were carved with Arsacidean annals, in strange hieroglyphics; in the skull, the priests kept up an unextinguished aromatic flame, so that the mystic head again sent forth its vapory spout; while, suspended from a bough, the terrific lower jaw vibrated over all the devotees, like the hair-hung sword that so affrighted Damocles.

It was a wondrous sight. The wood was green as mosses of the Icy Glen; the trees stood high and haughty, feeling their living sap; the industrious earth beneath was as a weaver’s loom, with a gorgeous carpet on it, whereof the ground-vine tendrils formed the warp and woof, and the living flowers the figures. All the trees, with all their laden branches; all the shrubs, and ferns, and grasses; the message-carrying air; all these unceasingly were active. Through the lacings of the leaves, the great sun seemed a flying shuttle weaving the unwearied verdure. Oh, busy weaver! unseen weaver!—pause!—one word!—whither flows the fabric? what palace may it deck? wherefore all these ceaseless toilings? Speak, weaver!—stay thy hand!—but one single word with thee! Nay—the shuttle flies—the figures float from forth the loom; the freshet-rushing carpet for ever slides away. The weaver-god, he weaves; and by that weaving is he deafened, that he hears no mortal voice; and by that humming, we, too, who look on the loom are deafened; and only when we escape it shall we hear the thousand voices that speak through it. For even so it is in all material factories. The spoken words that are inaudible among the flying spindles; those same words are plainly heard without the walls, bursting from the opened casements. Thereby have villainies been detected. Ah, mortal! then, be heedful; for so, in all this din of the great world’s loom, thy subtlest thinkings may be overheard afar.

>>14846142
>moby dick is about those details. The narrative is more or less meaningless
Then why not just write a fucking essay. ffs

>>14846196
Up your trollin man. This is low hanging fruit.

>>14845916
Unneeded details are always a negative in writing, but as established, these details are needed.

Melville's masterpiece in clearly Bartleby and I would rather read and re-read it seven thousand times before getting near the bore that is Moby Dick.

Only New Englanders can truly appreciate The Dick

>>14845893
>>14845921
>>14845964
>>14845976
>>14845989
>>14846049
>>14846073
>>14846196
You do understand when he wrote this book maybe a fraction of a percent of his audience had any idea of what a whale looked like, and were mostly unfamiliar with life at sea, let alone whaling? If you don't feel you need to read chapters and chapters of this you can pick up an abridged version or watch the excellent movie. Don't hit on a book because you are too lazy a reader to be arsed to read through it.

>>14845953
A novel is more than just a plot, anon

>>14846335
There's plenty of ways to give information and not break narrative. Remember, Ishmael wasn't a whaler prior to the novel, so he very easily could have had other crew members give him the tl;dr on whales and it would've been infinitely better.

>>14846355
Thank you for your profoundly refined insights on literature anon. Have anymore tips?

>>14846367
Yeah, stop blindly sucking the dick of a dead guy. It's a little weird.

>>14846287
Id prefer not to

>>14846381
Hmmm interesting. Your mind jumps instantly to homo-eroticism. You also don't seem to have the concentration to read dense works. Are you a closeted COOMer by any chance?

>>14846409
>homo-eroticism
I was actually going for bestiality desu. On the internet no one knows you're a capybara

>>14846452
wow that's a L O L moment

>>14846452
A reddit level haha so random deflection implies that anon's accusation was close to home
I'm willing to bet you yourself are a homosexual and haven't even read a single shakespeare play

I'm not giving you any (you)s OP, you don't deserve them. There is more to a novel than a narrative, thinking that's all that's needed is what bugmen and immature women do. Moby Dick is barely even a novel, it's more akin to prose poetry exploring a wide variety of themes. People who praise Moby Dick acknowledge the non-narrative portions of the book as the best and most vital to the themes (particularly bower in the arsacides and the whiteness), they dig further into Melville's perception of the nature of reality and how we interpret it.
You've been filtered because you're below even being a midwit, you sound underage and for your sake I hope that's the case. I have acquaintences like you, pseudo-pseuds, too stupid or childish to appreciate a complex piece of art.
>>14846335
You were filtered as well, those chapters are important and people who read abridged books shouldn't bother reading them in the first place.

I wonder how many of the "novels aren't just narrative" posters love Tolkien, who is notorious for "stories are just stories" posting.

>>14845893
the preachings are the best part you eunuch heathen

>>14846991
>thread about a leviathan of literature
>I’m going to bring it down to the levels of genre fiction so I have something to discuss
Go back to /sffg/
>>14846998
The point of the preaching isn’t to be totally correct, the book is not overtly Christian in conclusion (though familiarity with Christianity is important to understanding it)