/lit/ - Literature

>>14827346
Ralph Waldo Emerson

Who cares what people think?

Ellul. But TK is leagues above the rest. Caring about what others think is a sign of oversocialization. People don't need to adhere to anti-tech thought, in fact they won't. You can't talk a dog out of leaving his master, such is the outcome of domestication.
Read autopsie de la révolution for yourself, and la société technologique and others if you wish to argue with credibility.

Sean Goonan

>>14827425
This. x10.

Read Ellul and, unironically, Wittgenstein. Read The Philosophical Investigations along with "Notes on Frazer's Golden Bough" and "Culture & Value".

>>14827346
People are willing to overlook flaws if the work is good enough. Half of Hollywood is composed of open creeps yet everyone loves whatever shit comes out of the consoom end.

>>14827346
John Zerzan.

>>14827346
Lewis Mumford. He's leagues above TK and Ellul.

>>14828001
Lewis Mumford was absolutely sad lasted by Ellul, though.

>>14827346
Read Rosseau

Where can I read TKs complete works?

He's a Platonist, isn't he? He condemns the luxuries his fellow men are enjoying as unessential, even though the difference between a surrogate activity and one that authentically fulfills the power process can't be observed.

>>14828839
It can’t be observed but it can be recollected

>>14827346
>credibility

LOL. Dude grow some balls, every truly serious revolutionary ideology has been vilified and mocked as lacking credibility. You might as well just say you want something acceptable to polite society. If that’s the case fuck off.

>>14828863
Based

>>14827367
This

>>14829339
Holy shit how did he get away with it?

>>14829596
He’s just too based and speaks uncomfortable truths. He can get away with it because he’s not a cuck

>>14829691
>>14829339
These have to be fake.

>>14827425
>Caring about what others think is a sign of oversocialization
I've come to understand this is the essence of what being based is: either through ignorance or through full cognizance.

>He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god.
>~Aristotle, "Politics"

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>>14827346
>>14829757

>>14827346
The opposite would be Perlman who was a pacifist. His basic idea is that militarisation is inevitable in these movements. Perhaps it is something like Heidegger's idea of enframing, in that technology itself forces any opposition movement to adopt the very technology it is against? I don't know, it's been a long time since I read that book.
Also interesting is the book Direct Action, which gives an account of this militarisation, having to live not only as an exile but as the most extreme militant. Security makes these people turn into something like intelligence agents. From this perspective is it even possible to overcome technology?

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>>14829761
Why no Derrick Jensen?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_non-fiction_environmental_writers

>>14829730
I know for a fact that the second one is in “Can Life Prevail?”

>>14829757
Nice anon

This book changed my life and how I saw prey vs predator relations to the Earth

>>14829339
>>14829691
This makes Cioran's edginess seem like mere child's play.

>>14827346
>Credibility
Dogshit prize

What about the concern that teds ideas are tainted with something that made him a mass murderer? Maybe i should not listen to him or others like him because he does not seem different to other things i hate like the military industrial complex. Or is the jist of his philosophic thought that we should destroy with technology because technology destroys us?

>>14830718
Well, the standard functioning of technological society kills 30-40 million a year. That's without counting all of those who will die in the future due to all of the atomic idols it has left behind.

>>14830836
>muh people killed
We have to remove ~90% of the Earth’s population to remain viable long term, so these arguments won’t fly

John Gray is a conservative philosopher who writes on similar themes. Recently finished a book of his essays and I was very impressed, particularly with his "an agenda for Green conservatism".

>>14830861
Don't worry the zombie plague is coming, have faith. I'm negan.

>>14830861
The point is in regards to violence. Modern man fears violence, yet is completely unaware that his technology imposes an endless and ugly form of sacrifice. All of these people die in banal misery.

>>14830907
Care to explain yourself, Negan?

>>14829813
Because he's an emotional child and a leftist--not a real revolutionary.

>>14830923
this.

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>>14829691
Pentti is real committed to his message. Too bad he's unironically a total schizo.

>>14831872
this. but his message isn't revolutionary, and as Ted illustrates in the first two chapters of his book "Anti-Tech Revolution" it can't work on fundamental logical grounds.

Ironically, Pentti's "message" will likely be used by the technological system in the near future to try and control more human behavior and "preserve" more "nature" to the extent that it must preserve some natural systems in order to maintain itself.

>>14831894
>Ironically, Pentti's "message" will likely be used by the technological system in the near future to try and control more human behavior and "preserve" more "nature" to the extent that it must preserve some natural systems in order to maintain itself.
Please elaborate.