/lit/ - Literature

>>14816280
Based. I read this a while back and it made me stop being a pothead who laughed like a retard to youtube all day in the comfort of my parents home.

>>14816309
How did you do it, mein vriend?

Fuck me.Someone give me howto

>IS THAT A... A YELLOW BUG!?!?!?! OOOOOH GOD I'M SYNCHRONIZING
What a hack.

>>14816280
I think all humans hold secret hope that there best days are ahead of them, especially young people. All people fear in some way the point at which life no longer is open to possibilities, and must simply be lived. One has married the woman, and one must now love her. Any number of life defining choices that are hard to go back on can be something which inspires anxiety and fear: where you live, whether you want to have children, what your life's work is, etc.. There comes a point when you choose a life, a set of decisions, and continue with it rather than live believing that you can "be anything" that you want to be. I don't know if any regular person doesn't in some way feel like this.

>>14816280
Seems interesting, OP. I'd rather not integrate something like that into my personal identity, but the book definitely seems worth checking out. Thanks for the recc

>>14816313
Personally, I taught myself java and within a couple of months I got hired as a junior dev to a laid back job. Now, I live on my own and have my own bills to pay for, chores and responsibilities, none of which I had at my parents. On top of learning a new skill, I stopped fapping every night before going to bed and started to exercise to give my body a natural boost. Tbh, nothing was better than having a fap while high af and then drifting off to blissful sleep after COOMing. But this was a bad habit that had me living in an artificial paradise.
On the book I linked above, its a psychological analysis about a Roman novel called The Golden Ass, which is about a young man who doesn't grow up until the end of the novel. In my case, I was too coddled by my parents and I was too eager to embrace that instead of going off on my own. Thanks for the book OP. Lord knows I need to grow up more.

>>14816335
(You)

>>14816370
cool blog post

>>14816370
How old were you, though?

>>14816280
>Jung
Cringe

Just got this shit on libgen and oh boy I'm going to have a blast with this book.

>They generally do not like sports which require patience and long training, for the puer aeternus, in the negative sense of the word, is usually very impatient by disposition, so that such sports do not appeal to them. I know a young man, a classical example of the puer aeternus, who did a tremendous amount of mountaineering but so much hated carrying a rucksack that he preferred to train himself even to sleep in the rain or snow and wrap himself up in a silk raincoat and, with a kind of Yoga breathing, was able to sleep out of doors. He also trained himself to go practically without food, simply in order not to have to carry any weight. He roamed about for years all over the mountains of Europe and other continents, sleeping under trees or in the snow. In a way he led a very heroic existence, just in order not to be bound to go to a hut or carry a rucksack. You might say that this was symbolic, for such a young man in real life does not want to be burdened with any kind of weight. The one thing he absolutely refuses is responsibility for anything, or to carry the weight of a situation.

This section, right in the beginning, really hits the mark. If something is too difficult or requires too much work, I'll just brush it aside and deal with whatever negative thing happens if I refrain from doing it. I'll put off scheduling plane tickets or booking hotels beforehand and just settle for crummy roadside motels or slimy hostels full of sex addicts and backpacking zoomers or whatever.

I've read this book and it was Pessoa-tier.

>>14816462
24 before I decided to make a change. I had lived with my parents 3 years after uni doing fuck all. Classics major btw.

>>14816280
I was definitely fitting into this mindset until one year ago. What changed is that I stopped viewing moments as 'meaningful' or as 'signs' or to think of life as a reward/punishment system. That way, everything 'means' something else, by which I mean something else in the future, or something that is to come.
But it was not just me. I have had some very ugly and them some very beautiful things happen to me almost completely at random. I did not deserve any of them (neither the very bad nor the very good). That is when I stopped thinking that I was supposed to expect things (good or bad) because they would happen regardless of my expectations. Of course I can raise or lower the probabilities of something to happen, but I got the feeling that my control on all situations is way lower than I'd like to think. In this sense, no situation represents anything in the future, at least, not necessarily: there is nothing to expect, no 'real life' to come afterwards as a result of some karmic balance or anything like this.
After having very random things happen to you for what is clearly no reason, you grow skeptic of your own mind trying to project meaning on things. Life is more anarchic than I thought it seemed - but this is also good. It feels more real this way, I feel like I am more here

>>14816280
Did you come into this book on your own, or did you see it recommended here?

>>14816481

You should have edited the last part about flying and mountaineering out lol no one here does that shit

>>14817078
It's fine, she also talks about how puers are mostly homosexuals.

>>14817041
I saw it being recommended here a long time ago and decided to read it over the week. Finished it a couple of hours ago and made a post in another thread, but thought I'd give it some publicity.

>>14817138
It was probably recommend to you by me. I keep recommending it to people. It's the perfect book for the 4chan types.

>>14817192
Thank you, anon. Did this book help you in any way or did you read by chance and thought you'd help a 4channer out? Her first two lectures about Exupéry are extremely helpful, at least to me.

so, what's wrong with that? pueri aeterni rise up

>>14817205
It means you're living your life in denial. She answers your question throughout the book and doesn't think this archetype is as negative as people make it out to be. She sees the value in the puer's attempts to stave off adulthood.

>>14816280
Jung was a hack. No wonder he interprets the hope for a better tomorrow as a neurosis.

If you work nine to five and you think your life as it is is meaningful in any way, you're pathetic. Always strive, always improve, always keep planning to make something real of your life. Keep hunting your big break, because the moment you give up you're nothing.

>>14817237
denial of what? It's everyone else who's in denial: they settle for the participation trophy and pretend that's what they wanted all along. What the *sensible* person wants: loving family, stable nine-to-five job, home-ownership and a good 401k. And they pretend that wanting to be an astronaut, or a rockstar, or a millionaire entrepreneur were all just childish dreams... despite the fact that those are all real things done by real people who, let's face it, are usually just as fucking retarded as the rest of humanity and in no way so far above us that what they have should be considered unreachable.

>>14816987
Good. You realized, as in Ashtavakra Gita, you're neither the doer of your actions, nor the reaper of their consequences.

All bourgeois psychologizing presupposes that there is some sort of "objective reality" to which one can come into contact with. I am perfectly contend reading literature deemed to be "of no use" and desiring goals which are "unreal." I will continue thank you very much.

>>14817489
>>14817512
You are not truly enlightened if you think success lies in material displays. However, we all need to do something that pays to feed ourselves, unless you come from money, then you can truly live a life without responsibilities.

>>14816481
>man finds it easier to fulfill his desires without frivolity and trivialities
>Clearly, it’s a case of disregarding responsibility
I really want to put a bullet in every academic who comments on personal sporting with such bold accusations in such a detached manner. It’s the equivalent of a middle school literature student attributing meaning to Hamlet in such a way that only a completely ignorant and understudied student could give an interpretation of.

>>14816481
>requires too much work, I'll just brush it aside and deal with whatever negative thing happens if I refrain from doing it

I'm going to quit studying chemistry because fuck it. No idea what I'll do next.

>>14817540
You're unironically close to enlightenment. Stop wanting to be happy or content and you're there.

>>14817540
Don’t quit! Endure, anon.

>>14816280
After reading My Twisted World from seeing that Elliot Rodger thread from a few days ago I think he would fit into this archetype somewhat as well. What a sad story his life is. Not quite sympathetic though. Fascinating.

>>14817540
Undergrad? No use continuing unless you intend to get a Master's degree at minimum. Chemistry is a fucking retarded degree if you aren't getting a PhD.

>>14818187
Why? No one hires non-PhD in the field?

>>14818277
Oh you might get lucky and land a prestigious job cleaning grad cylinders for actual research scientists. Maybe even a chance to dip some pH strips (if you really work hard). Why are you studying chemistry if you don't even know what level of degree you need to get a job that you want? Why are you at college at all if you didn't already have the next 10 years planned out?

>Jungian

stopped reading there

>>14818289
Lol, im not the guy who’s doing chemistry. I’m making money on law, I was just curious.

>>14818331
Oh okay. Yeah chemistry can be a good field if you get a PhD. Anything less is "Why even bother?" tier.

Well I guess I need to leave this board once and for all, because that whole characterization just seems stupid and not a plausible human psychology of any kind.

>>14818348
Your lovely insights shall be highly missed.

>>14816280
ex girlfriend broke up with me cus i am this

books to stop being puer aertneras?

>>14818187
>Chemistry is a fucking retarded degree if you aren't getting a PhD.

Not in Finland. I'm just not interested in the field.

>>14816987
I'm glad you found a way out that works for you. I too suffered from this and it lead me to madness in my early adolescence. I am now at a place betwixt your total rejection and my disruptive perceptions. What caused the problem was not the "signs" but my slavish hounding of them beseeching direction and purpose. I have not stopped seeing signs and I never will. I no longer let them rule over me, but I acknowledge their existence.

>>14818568

>>14816280
Wait this isn't normal? I don't feel so good bros....

>>14816280
But how do you not do this? If I didn't cope by pretending my real life hadn't started yet, I'd instantly kill myself, because if this current life is my actual one it sure isn't worth living

>>14816481
>he train himself to live in the woods .
>this guy refuses responsability. buy a fucking rucksack you weirdo.
what a fucking hack.

>>14819182
Just buy a damn rucksack you fucking creep, why would you starve just so you don't carry a bag?

>>14816280
>the amount r9k posting on /lit/ is off the charts
You must be a very old fag to recall a time when this was not the actual case, >>>/adv/ threads being pruned instantaneously along with anything with ass & titties would do wonders.

>>14816481
>hey generally do not like sports which require patience and long training, for the puer aeternus, in the negative sense of the word, is usually very impatient by disposition
It's the gamma (male) archetype of reflexively revolting against hierarchy (required for team sports)

>>14816481
>for such a young man in real life does not want to be burdened with any kind of weight. The one thing he absolutely refuses is responsibility for anything, or to carry the weight of a situation.
Camel, Lion, Child (Jung's Zarathustra lectures have more to offer on this note.)

>>14817204
Read it for a paper I was working on. It's a wonder it's not more popular on /lit/. The book describes the average NEET/incel to a T.

>>14820619
Some aspects fit well and others don't at all. The emphasis on mountaineering can't be hand waved away. I've known two people who fit this archetype to a T including the mountaineering. They were both impulsive to an absurd degree and did not seem like the typical neet at all. You'd never catch them spending hours on an image board posting about literature and philosophy. One became a drug addict and wandered for a living the other had a breakdown and tried to rob a bank with virtually no planning and is serving time.

>>14820677
Yes you're right. The book is more about the "malevolent" sort of NEET, the serial womanizer, the homosexual, the inhumane Goering type.

>>14820619
Let's try to make it a thing around here, I'll keep puerposting for a while. I truly think many people can be touched and helped after reading this lil book.

>>14819705
I also had Zarathustra in mind when I started reading the book. Being a child is a good thing, a marvelous thing indeed. That's why she stresses the positive point of the puer:

>>14820713
I don't think you should do that desu. It's going to be turned into a meme like Sowell or Guenon and lose its value. Only recommend it to someone if he sounds sincere.

>When Jung commented on a "mentally ill woman, who [actually, not to be taken symbolically] lived on the moon"[4]:18 M.-L. von Franz understood, that there are two levels of reality. The psychological, inner world with its dreams and myths was as real as the outer world
What's wrong with these people?

>>14816481
>I know a young man, a classical example of the puer aeternus, who did a tremendous amount of mountaineering but so much hated carrying a rucksack that he preferred to train himself even to sleep in the rain or snow and wrap himself up in a silk raincoat and, with a kind of Yoga breathing, was able to sleep out of doors. He also trained himself to go practically without food, simply in order not to have to carry any weight. He roamed about for years all over the mountains of Europe and other continents, sleeping under trees or in the snow. In a way he led a very heroic existence, just in order not to be bound to go to a hut or carry a rucksack.
Why should I want to be a perpetually indebted wagie with a nagging wife over this again?

>>14816987
>After having very random things happen to you for what is clearly no reason, you grow skeptic of your own mind trying to project meaning on things.
Absolute 10/10.
>Life is more anarchic than I thought it seemed - but this is also good. It feels more real this way, I feel like I am more here.
Were, or are you religious?

>>14821109
>Why should I want to be a perpetually indebted wagie with a nagging wife over this again?
Well, why do you?
Enlighten us anon!

>>14821166
I don't man. I broke up with my gf, dropped out of school, and now I live in my parent's basement and split my time between learning guitar from a dirty french canadian hobo and reading adventure novels.

"Growing up" is the excuse people use to justify the gilded cage once they get a girl knocked-up and can't live free anymore.

>>14821247
Don't you feel bad leeching off your parents? Isn't this also a type of gilded cage?

>>14821610
Should I? It's not like they need my basement room and I can provide for my own expenses. I've lived away from home for over half a decade, I know what I'm missing and it's not that great.

As soon as home starts feeling oppressive I can just take the money I've been saving on rent and leave too, which isn't something I could have done working and going to school 70 hours a week while living paycheck to paycheck.

It sucks not everyone has the option, but I'm not stewing in guilt over it. When I lived on my own my average day would be to wake up at 8, shower, skip breakfast from lack of time, go to school till 1pm, get fast food while I wait for my bus to work, then go to work for an 8 hour shift and not get home till 10-11pm at night where I would stuff myself with plain rice and quickly masturbate in order to sedate myself so I could sleep and do the whole thing over the next day. Today I woke up at the same time, made myself an espresso, played the piano for an hour, flipped through an award-winning novel about the Cultural Revolution, pat my cat, and it's still noon. Later maybe I'll smoke some hash and work through a book of logic puzzles. Or maybe I will go for a long walk in the mountains. At least I'm not bent over a fucking assembly line anymore.

Being a NEET is hard work but somebody has to do it.

>>14816280
Oh, like, im also an Ares to isnt that so funny??!!!

>>14821786
quality posts like these are what brings me to /lit/

>>14821786
but what's your moon though that's what matters

>>14816280
>At the same time, there is a highly symbolic fascination for dangerous sports-particularly flying and mountaineering-so as to get as high as possible
o i am laffin