/lit/ - Literature

>>14808362
Whatever, I just hate that you need a degree to write philosophy. I am a socially inept loser and I have some ideas but what's the point if no one is going to read and challenge them because I don't have the credentials? Fuck this clown world, there's the essence of any and all worthwhile philosophy that can be done in this day and age.

>>14808362
life isn't solely meant to be enjoyed, it'd have been conceived much differently if that were the case.

>>14808362
People suffer greatly from life without exception. The modern age is just caked with whitewash

>>14808362
Nice philosophy, retard

>>14808362
I have a gf, a decent social life and a healthy work schedule and read philosophy in my spare time. My intellectual curiosity has not once impeded my ability to integrate into society. Stop using your own experience as a standard for everyone else jabroney

>>14808375
If you want to be a philosopher, get a PHD. There is no shortcut.

I wouldn't call philosophy enthusiasts socially inept. Only happy losers.

>>14808392
I'm to old to even get a bachelor's, anon

>>14808406
have you ever been to uni, there is always some mature age students, i have one in my phil class whos a accountant that just does it because hes bored.

>>14808406
Then come to grips with the fact that you will never be a philosopher. Take up gardening, or philately.

>>14808429
>have you ever been to uni
I'm a dropout
>there is always some mature age students blablabla
everyone who contributed something to the philosophical tradition got their degree before the age of 22
>>14808430
>Then come to grips with the fact that you will never be a philosopher
Gonna do this
>Take up gardening, or philately.
I've begun to take up drawing
If I'm not on Rafael's level in 3 years I'll an hero

>>14808375
You don’t actually need a degree to write philosophy. Historically, many philosophers didn’t study philosophy. Some never had any formal education at all. I’ll grant that our age is a bit different because you absolutely won’t be taken seriously by the academy or mass society without a degree but you can still successfully write philosophy. John Michael Greer is one example. He’s a bit fringe, but doing it.

>>14808375
How old are you exactly? I’m 26 and going probably going back to school for philosophy or similar.

>>14808460
>everyone who contributed something to the philosophical tradition got their degree before the age of 22

If I recall people were able to earn a doctoral degree within 6 years of enrolling in university prior to the 19th century. In Italy, you were able to deliver your thesis and earn your doctorate 4 to 5 years from enrolling at 19 years old prior to like 1980. Today, it’s like 8 years absolute minimum from started University for a PhD so it’s totally different.

>>14808460
>everyone who contributed something to the philosophical tradition got their degree before the age of 22
You don't know what you're talking about, these are ideals born from a conceited self-consciousness. You shouldn't speak on absolutes, or make value judgement when you can't confirm either part of the supposition.

>>14808461
>You don’t actually need a degree to write philosophy.
Yes, you do.

>Historically
"Historically" is not now.

>John Michael Greer
Not a philosopher.

>>14808484
>these are ideals born from a conceited self-consciousness
No, these are facts uncovered through years of pathological researching and looking into the biographies of great thinkers and writers. Certainly, there are a few exceptions, but that is the overarching trend.

>>14808487
Do you think any of the greeks had certified documentation of their education?

>>14808492
I'd be surprised if you knew the educational biography of more than 25 thinkers.

>>14808492
Don't speak in absolutes then, they always make you wrong.

>>14808362

The apotheosis of "enjoying life" is not even death but dying forever.

>>14808495
>Do you think any of the greeks had certified documentation of their education?
Not him but man, that's a retarded argument. There wasn't really an academic institution in Ancient Greece that was handing out certificates, now was there? They definitely all enjoyed the best education available in their time.
>I'd be surprised if you knew the educational biography of more than 25 thinkers.
I'd be surprised if you knew the educational biography of more than 5 thinkers, dipshit.
>>14808498
>they always make you wrong.
now this is epic lmao

>>14808362
this is a performative post. it is not stating a fact but is just proposing to your minds a possible way to use philosophy, in order to cancel all other potential uses it might have. it is giving it a frame to place it in the social world, that is always by definition looking to preserve its own stability, by removing all potential modifications.

if you accept to engage with it you will be implicitly accepting it as a possibility, which will later come up in your action, when you are engaged in that social world. let it aside and be aware that all tools are what you make of them, after you get to know them and use them in different contexts, based on your own experience.

op is like someone who makes a living selling bikes and who tells you that cars are just a cope for those who are too lazy to use their legs or who are ashamed they cant ride a bike. but no, cars and bikes are just tools for different purposes, even if they can be compared as a way of transportation (someone wanting to exercise would find a car useless; someone wanting to get as fast as possible to a distant place would find the bike unfit).

>>14808362
If I had a choice I would never have been born. Existence is suffering. One of those rogue comets should strike earth and alleviate us all of this suffering. Dubs confirm

>>14808666
Trips confirm. Life has no purpose. It was just a random mistake. Some god farted in some big bang, et voilà! Here we are!
>muh human species
>muh intellectual achievements
>muh fate

>>14808487
> Yes, you do.
No, you don’t. This evidenced by many philosophers who wrote serious philosophy without either a degree in philosophy or a degree at all. There’s no evidence to the contrary unless you want to just argue that specifically modern academic philosophy is the only true philosophy, which is obviously ridiculous.

> Not a philosopher.
Then what is he? He writes about philosophy. I suppose you’d also argue that Nietzsche, who never studied philosophy in the academy, and Mainländer, who never participated in the academy at all, are also not philosophers?

>>14808680
How nice is it to not be a specialized piece of shit isn't it?

>>14808362
>Philosophy is just a cope
yes
>for socially inept losers who couldn't enjoy life like the other functional members of their society.
nope.
close but you missed the point lad.

Philosophy is two schizoids arguing over a book report on Kant

>>14808676
Based goys. Literally no incentive to live. No eternal state of bliss with a qt Eurasian girl.

"HAHAHA BRO JUST BELIEVE IN GOD BRO, JUST GO AROUND LARPING AS IF YOU KNOW HE'S REAL AND THAT THE BIBLE ISN'T A PSYOP HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA, JUST BELIEVE MY MADE UP MORALITY BRO HAHA CHOP OFF THE TIP OF YOUR PENIS FOR JESUS"
Or you'll get the fedora tippers

"HAHA BRO JUST LIVE BRO, YOU GOT THIS ONCE IN A LIFETIME CHANCE FROM THE UNIVERSE BRO, IT'S SO COOL AND SCIENCE IS SO COOL, HAHA IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT LIFE IS MOSTLY MUNDANE AND OFTEN SHIT AND THEN YOU DIE, JUST LIVE BRO IT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE, JUST SUFFER FOR 70 YEARS BECAUSE MUH UNIVERSE AND MUHH SCIENCE"

>>14808362
And as such they sought to make it better. Hmm. Seems like philosophy isn't as bad as you tried to make it out to be.

>>14808487
What you do now with a philosophy degree is not even close to be philosophy. Keep coping with your History of ideas degree.

>>14808362
D-delet this

>>14808666
Fuck off Satan

everything is cope

>>14808652
I agree with the majority of your post, but bikes are infinitely superior to cars. Even literary types like Samuel Beckett and Flann O'Brien would back me up on that

>>14809429
yeah im not against bikes nor particularly for cars, but the point is that all judgments are made from a partial point of view, no matter how you justify that pov. the point is not to defend philosophy as having an inherent value that op ignores or tries to hide, but just being aware that it is a tool that will only acquire value in the use you give to it.

cause yeah i like bikes far more than cars too, but for instance if im moving and need to transport all my furniture from one place to another, im sure a car would be more useful than 10 bikes.

The raw calamity of existence must be coped with. Coping here is Heidegger's thrownness, combating the existential reality of being "thrown" into time and the chaos of the world with the obligation of interpreting and systematizing its phenomena. Calling philosophy a cope in addition to being a philistine viewpoint is easily disposed of in no small part because of its very premise which deprives OP of argumentative rigor and subtlety. Disregarding a field because it's presumably filled with "socially inept losers" is merely ad hominem, and one would have to apply the same reasoning to basically any intellectual field in today's anti-intellectual culture. Even if someone is socially inept, this does not dismiss their work, particularly if their work has such a trivial social component.

>>14808666
Activated

>>14809022
>What you do now with a philosophy degree is not even close to be philosophy.
Dumbest comment ever.

>Keep coping with your History of ideas degree.
Philosophers don't study history, in general. Only historians of philosophy do.

>>14808680
>Then what is he?
A crackpot.

What if my philosophy is that such a life to degree is the true life? And that I reject the very life I myself live but accept its reality that I might not escape it—is this cope?
Love, friendship, adventure, play, conversation, tragedy, loss, music, dance, longing, passion, creation. These are the purpose of descent of the soul free of worry from up above—its so-called perfection and omniscience lack one thing, truly experience what it knows of the Ideals. It is only in forgetful becoming that the divine can fulfill all things, how can omniscient perfection know what true loss is?
Perhaps it is the loss of the meaning of philosophy that has lead you into these statements, but what you fan philosophy is nothing but aimless dianoia, blind sophistry.

>>14809852
>im sure a car would be more useful than 10 bikes
nah bro you're just doing it wrong

>>14808576
There's no way to prove that these greek thinkers graduated their studies by the age of 22 though.

>I'd be surprised if you knew the educational biography of more than 5 thinkers, dipshit.
I wasn't the one arguing that I'd done a survey of every thinker.

>now this is epic lmao
so you do have a sense of humor

>>14811400
lol i saw that coming

>>14811061
Why is he a crackpot and why did you avoid all of my other points and questions?

>>14811462
You didn't make any other points.