/lit/ - Literature

harold bloom is a fucking shithouse critic lmao

the redditor of critics

>>14805716
>If you don't read you can't think
>Donald Trump is a fascist
Huh sweaty? He hasn't even read Moldbug? Silly old man.

>>14805718
>>14805743
/lit/ 2020

What has happened to this place? We need a pseudo-philosophy containment board.

>>14805716
why is his mouth so wet? i cannot listen to this

>>14805753
stop shilling an old reactionary kike

>>14805716
>literally not 2 minutes into interview
>DRUMPF BAD

>>14805753
It's quite sad... even most of the retards are gone. At least they would throw up an interesting thread every once in a while.

penis
HAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASHA

>>14805716
>It's a pleasure to meet you Harold and become your friend!
>yes, i'll sign the book

>>14805716
Reminds me of this one
this is STEM one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOCe5HUObD4

>>14805743
>>14805787
I really like Bloom, honestly thought he was better than that

Going to just have to chalk it up to him going a bit senile with age, failing mental faculties and all that. Real low IQ boomer comment

*licking/ sucking noises*

He’s incredibly charming but one of the biggest brainlets ever published.

>3:23
>and ranting against
cans? Cannes?

>>14805716
>there's nothing we can do about it. I lost 50 years of my life fighting for a lost cause

>Bloom approaches all books the way he approaches the Bible: He likes to burrow rapidly through the words on the page, because he needs to find the stance of the soul that speaks the words. David Bromwich, who studied with Bloom in the 1970s and is now a vital critic in his own right, remembered that when Bloom taught a poem, he liked to get inside it the way an actor gets inside a role. (I remembered him this way, too.) Bloom would arrive to class 10 or 20 minutes early and then sit chatting with students and feverishly turning the pages of whatever book they were to discuss that day, Ruskin or Ashbery or Oscar Wilde. He reminded one friend of Paddington Bear; others noticed a resemblance to Zero Mostel or Alastair Sim. When Bloom taught, he rhapsodized; when we interrupted his touching and often funny monologues, he always knew right away what we meant and never broke his verbal stride. In his well-worn longshoreman’s sweater, clutching his chest with one hand, sparse hair flying, he found hidden places in the text, imaginative secrets he had been brooding over, it seemed, for years. Emerson instructs us to “read for the lustres,” and Bloom did just that.

Oddly based.

>>14805787
>Thinks Drumpf is good
You are exactly like a left-liberal who still thinks Obama was good.

He's heavily into literature, not politics, but he's not wrong that Trump ran on exciting the fascist and nationalists. The country is in more danger of falling to a fascist dictatorship than a Marxist-Leninist one, and the election of the orange one is proof of it. The DNC propping up Bloomburg is more proof of it.

>>14805895
ok woman

>>14805895
not interested in talking burger politics on a literature board, but bloom is pretty politically naive, and shouldn't be taken seriously in that area at all -- I suggest you get around to reading Marx if you're going to insist to post off-topic in this area

>blumpf is a le fascist xD
honestly, he's pathetic. he;s probably one of the people responsible for the hysterical state of humanities he deplores

>>14805914
>but bloom is pretty politically naive
Which is what I said.
Others are driving the topic off. I'd like them to knock it off too, but learn something.

>>14805914
stop replying to a tripfag i swear foreigners are fucking brainless

>>14805930
Fuck off

>>14805934
>I'd like to learn something
you barely read. you are not interested in learning. you are only interested in asserting your totally banal e-identity on a pseudomasochistic friend simulator -- please stop -- please stop -- please stop

>>14805900
"woman"

>>14805890
>implying there's nothing we can do

Don't have a defeatist attitude. These vermin spent 50 years infiltrating the Academy so they could destroy and dismantle the Canon. We can infiltrate it right back, even if it takes us fifty years, too.

>>14805930
>>14805894
>>14805743
You never need to listen the conversations of writers and other creative intelligentsia about politics. Because often they carry mostly leftist nonsense. A historical example - russian talented degenerates from literature at the beginning of the 20th century vilified Tsar and received a regime that ultimately destroyed them

>>14805716
>it's time to stop fighting a lost war
And I bet he shit on Spengler

>>14806030
woah dude you're right, like woah, dude, you're right, it's all lefitst degenerate nonesense carried in their leftist nonsense I needn't listen to leftist nonsense that it mostly carries glad to avoid that leftist nonsense

>>14806030
Rightist writers tend to be retarded about politics as well honestly. Look at Dosto, Celine, Pound, etc.

>>14806074
Are you gonna cry?

>>14806087
no dude that is some leftist degenerate nonsense (carried by the talented degenerate russian artists --too many to name!) in the early of the century before communism killed six gorillion budding ehtnonationalists myself I am not taken by those leftists and their nonsense not going to cry am I no do not want to read that degenerate nonsense won't bother with it

>>14806114
>six gorillion
the tankie adoption of /pol/ memes mocking the Holocaust is quite something

>>14806120
yeah bro I am pondering how quite something it is when those tankies (leftist generates) and the palanquin carriers of the degenerate leftist creative intelligence use the word gorillion which is some say (leftist degenerates) an attack on a guarded shibboleth by brave culture of critiquers and I ponder the irony of those degenerate intellegentsias and their degenerate leftist politics which led (read your history -- russia 20th century) toppled the tsar (king) of russia

>>14806142
You're failing at being both funny and coherent

>>14806150
thank you for your reply brother you are only reminding me to not bother with political thought of leftist degenerate creative intelligentsia (nonsense) and when I dare think of it I will think of this thread and your kind advice, brother, bro, to not read that tankie degenerate leftist nonsense political thought by the talented degenerate russians of yesteryear, --an example, condemning the tsar (this is an example from history, which we should never forgtet)

>>14805787
Where's the lie?

>>14805790
Come to discord whiteman

>>14805716
First 30 seconds.
>Trump is a fascist.
Okay retard.

>>14805716
What you can hear is his whistling dentures

>>14805716
>people here actually like Trump
can someone explain why? like an actual reason? not just <midwit opinions like,
>he makes people i don't like mad

>>14805716
Thanks for posting this.

>>14806307
You're welcome.

>>14805895
>>14805934
>>14805939
You're not.

>>14805743
It's honestly completely insane that someone can spend their entire life fucking reading and have a take as bad as that.

>>14806346
I think that famous Sartre quote about being an anti-anticommunist is useful here. Trump is a fascist the same way Obama is a communist. That is that Trump dislikes people who call themselves antifascists, and Obama dislikes people who call themselves anti-communists, while both of them are centrists who themselves condemn both fascism and communism.

I understand why these labels get misapplied, it's a social circle thing. You can find commies and libs rubbing shoulders and you can find fascists and conservatives doing so as well. So if you believe that society is heading towards either fascism or communism, then people like Trump/Obama can be seen as complicit, though it's a kind of paranoid way of thinking.

>>14806237
bc he doesn't pander to progressive hedonistic lgtbq causes and illegal immigrants when his job is to take the right decisions for the country and help creating jobs.
Now let me ask you this, how fucking stupid do you have to be for me to write simple shit like this instead of applying some logic. Thanks for wasting my time.

>>14806463
what are your political values and objectives, broadly speaking? what actions has trump taken to advance them, narrowly speaking?

he was such a worthless critic. absolutely no discernment. no style. no ideas.

all he did was cry and whine just like the resentfuls he criticized.

good riddance to that fat piece of white shit.

>>14806480
Nat socialist. I want a country with jobs so people can live decently and we move faster towards post-capitalism. He brought back jobs and worked on new deals that weren't too beneficial for the country.

>>14806510
Dumb zoomer, go watch more Let's Plays.

>>14806512
respectfully, I find it hard to understand how you can even like trump instrumentally as a national socialist, he seems to me to be a continuation of the past 40 years of nobody minding the store and handing over the keys to corporate and unaccountable institutional power, only in a more debased and schizophrenic form -- the next recession (whether or not it is his "fault") is going to erase whatever job gains you might assign to trump anyway

>>14806535
National socialism is not viable in the USA. It'd be foolish to vote for him bc of that.
President of the USA have a certain amount of power but it's obvious there are some other nefarious people behind the curtains

>>14806550
huh?

>>14806535
I am a right-winger and I find Trump useful. I don't like him, but I find him useful. I am a supporter of monarchy and aristocracy, and I believe Trump has been an important intermediate stage in the decline and eventual end of the American republic. Obama was as well, as was even George W. Bush. But Trump is different. I believe Trump has advanced us down a path from which there is no turning, and which has only one end: monarchy and empire, as was the case with Rome before us. He is not the ultimate endgame, but he is an important intermediate stage, as I said. I'd call him our Sulla or Marius.

We have yet to see our Caesar. And ultimately we will have our Augustus: someone who seizes the absolute power the Presidency has accrued and uses it to ruthlessly exterminate his enemies while fundamentally reorganizing the administration of the United States and its empire. Trump is not that man. But he helps us get there, so I've been pleased with him in that regard.

>>14806585
Never you will see a monarchy for the simple reason that the USA is a mixture of races. But it's true, a meritocratic monarchy is what I prefer to democracy.

>Drumpf isn’t a nazi
>appeals to natsoc
Every time.

Also, he’s the best friend of the fascists in Israel. How do you and your circumcised penis feel about that?

>>14806664
embarrassing post

>>14806680
The fashies ITT have made a Bloom thread into a /pol/ resentment thread. That’s real embarrassing.

Amazing.

I started a thread in order to show to you a literary interview with Bloom and it turned into a discussion about Trump and politics because of ONE REMARK Bloom made about Trump.

He also talked a lot about Wallace Stevens, and no one mentioned it in this thread.

I mean, what is the point of /lit/ any more? It has been completely taken over by /leftypol/, /pol/, stormfront, the ''intellectual dark web'', Bernie Sanders brigades, Zizek fans and mystics who wish to talk about anything except literature, even when literature is right in front of their faces.

The moderation simply doesn't care.

>>14806689
And you are a part of it, because you reply to trolls so often, and because you use a name, which prompts other trolls to wish to reply to you.

>>14806690
Cope.

>>14806699
You have ruined /lit/. I have been using this board for nearly a decade and it has never been so blind to literature as it is now.

He put reading on a pedestal, anyone could think without reading. A 'retard' like Celine (a retard by societies standards, Celine is brillant) accomplishing much more than bloom with one book alone shows that Bloom is a joke. Bloom aspiried to be Nabokov, but failed miserably much like Hitchens failed to be Orwell or Camus. These professional 'literary' critics that never wrote anything always are missing something. >>14805743
>>14805824
>>14805753
>>14806030
>>14806030
>>14806346

>>14806690
This blog I follow posts Wallace Stevens poems all the time. I quite like The Auroras of Autumn, I love the sort of open ended metaphors he uses as structural foundations in it. Always found that the most fun kind of poetry to write as well, you don't know quite even what you're saying, but by exploring the metaphor the vague thing you were grasping at comes out. The serpent in the first part and the floating theatre in part 6 are particularly good.

>>14806697
>You made me act stupidly! It’s your fault more than it is mine!!

>>14805716
>fascism is bad bro
>shills against trump who was the less authoritarian by far of the candidates in 2016
what a pseud. senile orange man bad nigger.

>>14806078
>Dosto
>the guy who wrote about communists being self aggrandizing morons who are prone to self destruction for the sake of dramatic posturing
Did you even read Demons, bro?
>>14806237
lesser of 2 evils situation. hillary was a right lousy cunt. trump isn't ideal, but at least he's funny and isn't outright malicious and slimy. if i can't have a good president, then by god, i'll have trump.
>>14806690
you came here to preach to an echo chamber and found that people would rather not take the bait. look. reading IS my life. however, the modern normalfag won't put down the smartphone to read. it's retarded to think of literature as some holy war needing to be fought, to convert every thot and wigger into a bookworm. books are too good for the likes of them. they don't want to read, good. when normies read, we get twilight and hunger games. think for yourself instead of being a roomer. "hurrr dude, books good, reading makes me better than other people. support libraries and elementary school teachers. hurr durr." use your fucking brain. if you got a nice, exlusive, high quality club, what happens when you let in the masses? it turns to shit. i'm glad if normies don't read. they should stay the fuck out of my interests because they'll just ruin everything they touch. now go back to THAT site. and stay there.

>>14806762
what is the logic here?
>reading IS my life
>but on /lit/, I prefer to discuss donald trump
>go back to r e dd it
a true tour de force

>>14806794
too complex for your NPC brain? try going back and reading that over again. stop regurgitating opinions and learn to think critically for yourself.

>>14806704
based.

>>14806817
>OP makes a thread about Bloom
>Bloom criticizes Donald Trump
>thread derailed
>OP complains
>you reply with a non-sequitur imputing views onto the OP that he never expressed
you must understand my confusion
>reading IS my life
>fuck normies
>NPC
>stop regurgitating opinions
do you understand how I could find this ironic?

>>14806851
orange man bad

>>14805895
>femensch opinions

>>14806948
is that what you believe the upshot of what I'm saying is? did I say anything directly about Trump at all? do you think this is a good thread? what percentage of replies relating to Trump would the ideal /lit/ post have?

>>14805787
>>14805743
You're foolish to be so impressed by this comment. I think Bloom would have said something to this effect completely regardless of who won the election, it's more of a general condemnation rather than truly political.

Plus the man is fucking old, he must understand at this point it costs him nothing to present himself in a way that is more palatable to the average person.

>>14807065
this is pretty contorted reasoning. the most reasonable conclusion is that bloom said it because he believed it. it's not like he doesn't have a track record -- he was critical of Bush, accused him and Republicans of trying to institute a theocracy

>>14806948
fuck off

>>14805716
He just never took Nietzsche seriously enough, OP. Don’t feel too bad. He would’ve been fine had he read Deleuze on American lit. After all, he is Jewish.

>>14805939
You first, unless you want to show your tits.

>>14805716
wft i hate trump now

What was Bloom's favorite jazz artist?

>>14806690
>waaaah don't discus the contents of the video I posted just jerk off to this guy with me pleeeeease

I’ll be one of the few people who actually stay on topic. I watched this vid very recently I absolutely adore bloom. I recently been reading his book “genius” and his essays on f Scott Fitzgerald and don Quixote and he has really inspired and guided me in a Virgil esqe way through the world of literature I will always appreciate the man for being one of the greatest teachers I ever had

>>14805895
>thinks there is more than 10,000 tops actual fascists in the US.
Don’t give them the credit to have belief in a non kosher ideology. Think you’ve spent way too much time on 4chan most drumpfers are still ardently supporters of republicanism.

>>14807412
THIS

Fuck you /lit/
Bloom has helped more people than your sperm count.

>>14805716
>old man yells at the sky

>>14806710
>Bloom aspiried to be Nabokov, but failed miserably much like Hitchens failed to be Orwell or Camus.
Zinger, scorching.

>>14806851
>haha no u
The post

>>14806690
You will continue to be shilled until you convince them of its inefficacy and the OODA loop of reddit is out of your system (don't ____ the _______) Which is to say never, like Harold Bloom never wrote fiction of any value.

>>14807337
probably bird, whom he calls transcendent. however, he also compared louis armstrong to whitman in that they each began their respective american traditions

>>14806710
Bloom didn't want to be nabby. You're mistaken. Bloom wrote one novel, which he almost immediately disowned. He also professedly never wrote a single word of verse, whereas Nabby tried and failed at verse. If there is any single writer Bloom aspired to, it was undoubtedly Samuel Johnson.

>>14807551
I remember him remarking of The Invisible Man that it was written like jazz, if that makes any sense.

>>14807566
This. Bloom is the most successful critic of all time, even more than Northrop.

You Amerilards really shit the bed with Donald Trump - Harold Bloom, 88

>>14807566
>Bloom wrote one novel, which he almost immediately disowned.
Because he's a talentless retard. Literary criticism is worthless any idiot could have an opinion, the Donald Trump quote just confirms my opinion. Dosto and Celine were 'fascists' by his feeble kike standards and they wrote incredibly profound books, which is what Kike Bloom says in his interview about thinking because he needs somebody to tell him what to think.

Also, didn't Samuel Johnsoon destroy all his work?

>>14806078
The only reason you'd call Celine 'right-wing' is because he supported the Nazis. He really beats to his own drum and doesn't buy into the false left-right dichotomy. I also presume you've never actually read his four politcal pamphlets. As for Dosto, I assume you've never read A Writer's Diary and have absolutely no idea what his politics were.

>>14807542
>>Bloom aspiried to be Nabokov, but failed miserably much like Hitchens failed to be Orwell or Camus.
>Zinger, scorching.
It's true, both were cowards. Camus and Orwell were somewhat cowardly, but both actually made beautiful books that made me feel strongly and think deeply. The Stranger, I immediately dismissed, but now think about a lot as a profound work. 1984 is about a secular state vs. a religious state,

>>14807637
The US president has no actual power retard. One just votes for the system and the puppet that tells the majority what they want to hear. Look at all the SJW LGBT shit that has still ocurred under Trump.

This is the latest interview with Bloom that I know of, filmed less than a month prior to his passing
https://www.yiddishbookcenter.org/collections/oral-histories/interviews/woh-fi-0001278/harold-bloom-2019

Some nice moments and he's in much better shape than in the OPʼs video.

>>14807713
>The US president has no actual power retard.
lads, i think i found the retard

>>14807791
he doesn't. His only power is persuasion which actually occurs irrespective of him, I'm sure you are a brainwashed retard.

>>14805854
cant

>>14807791
Go watch a podcast

>>14806689
Dilate.

>>14805716
>the great man
The guy was the 20th C version of a youtuber

I'll watch some of his interviews from when he was younger, but this video just grosses me out too much

Also - le drump is a fascist
Y I K E S, for someone who has spent his life studying and reading you think he would be above such an asinine and low IQ remark

>>14807835
>>14807933
read a book ffs

>>14808046
he's got a valid point though
your precedent is a fucking loon

>>14805824
"Orange man bad" was a huge pleb filter that showed thousands of media-propped icons to be the empty frauds they are.

>>14808283
Trump's policy proposals were no more right wing than Jimmy Carter's. His actual administration has been more left wing than Obama's.

You're excused for being politically illiterate because you're underage. The intelligentsia is supposed to get their political opinions from something other than Comedy Central. But they're all stooges anyway.

>>14808325
And yet you kiss his feet like he’s fulfilled campaign promises.
A lot of Obama supporters saw through the lies after the first term. Why don’t you?
Both parties are pro oligarchy. Trumps no different as Bllomburg will be no different

>>14808739
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST EASILY SHOW HOW TRUMPINO ISNT A FASCIST NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NOT MY LIL COGNITIVE DISSONANCE NOOOOOOOO

>>14807739
>>14805716
Someone should transcribe the content of those interviews. I can't bear to see him like this.

>>14805895
Trump is the most moderate republican president of our age. He doesn't want to close the borders except for illegals, supports actively LGBT decriminalization and marriage in foreign countries, has named a gay person to cabinet level, something even Obama hadn't accomplished during his presidency, and many other things which prove he's far from being a fascist. The tranny military ban was justified, and trannies are usually the ones who push batshit insane campaigns like giving your kid puberty blockers or cutting their penis off before they're even able to make their choices. As a bisexual man I'd say the orange man was the most sane candidate fit to become president.

>>14805895
>Trump ran on exciting the fascist and nationalists
Kek, and all those people with stagnating wages and shit health coverage and no opportunities for their kids. Slightly bigger audience, me thinks.

>>14808325
Explains how those statements you made are true

>>14806664
Having natsoc friends I can say that you can like him and want him to get on with it and leave at the same time. His beliefs are incidental to their aims and he is disposible to them.

Only on 4chan could a touching interview with an incredible intellectual be reduced to an argument about fucking politics. Why can't you all just shut up for once?

>>14809026
Hang yourself

>>14809018
>hurr durr me and my nazi friends guys

>>14809026
>bloom
>intellectual

He's an elitist snob with proclivities towards racism and misoginy. No wonder he's idolized around here.

>>14809096
Weak retort. Address the point or fuck off.

>tfw this board used to idolize academics like Bloom and Sadler and meme them constantly
>now we hate them for being revealed as establishment shills

it hurts so much

>>14805787
The fact that many of Trump’s critics are retards doesn’t negate the fact that he’s also a retard. Have you actually read any of his books?

>>14806714
Which blog is that?

>>14809091
No, you hang yourself you fat fuck.
>>14809101
I'm not going to dignify that bait with a proper response, anon.

>>14809103
I don’t disagree, it just sounded gay

>>14809101
‘Racism’ and ‘misogyny’ are natural positions of disgust towards the weak and stupid just as hating retards such as yourself is

>>14809324
You sound gay. Put in some effort or dont bother replying. This mongolian hat making forum is voluntary.

>>14809389
>me and my boy band of fellow nat socialists aren’t the least bit gay. You on the other hand are gay for not seeing the brilliant opportunity for my inconsequential boy band to push our agenda, ha faggot.

>>14805753
Yeah, so all the people who take bloom seriously can fuck off to there

The only critics I respect are the ones who were educated before the 20th ce.

>>14809397
Well at least it was a bit more creative this time.

>>14805716
Are there even any great intellectuals left after Bloom died?

It feels like everyone is sort of wrapped by the constraints of current reductionist "left/right" "capital/"anticapital"" "neoliberal/reactionary" dichotomies and everyone publicly speeking is only doing so to convey a message within these bounds

Everyone has an agenda, nothing feels clear and no one dares to speak truth.
Commodity fetishism devoured even the realms of intellectuals

>>14809443
Yes of course.

>>14809449
care to share?
I can read almost nothing today since ideological messages are too obvious

>>14809443
>great intellectual
>bloom
he was as reductionist a the current dichotomies you complain about. or is calling everyone who isn't him the 'school of resentment' the sterling criticism of a great intellectual

>>14809458
Edmund o Wilson, James Watson, Charles Murray, Jared Taylor, basically anyone who doesn’t outright dismiss rushton. All these humanities are pure speculation and refusing to use data. For fiction, knasgaurd should be regarded as a great one day.

>>14809480
>Jared Taylor,
jesus

>>14809498
Most philosophers that are loved have more radical views than him.

>>14809480
this is b8

>>14809509
Can u ppl even talk about world more than only about muh LGBT/black lives matter bs. Or is this burger thing

>>14805716
at least he came around to liking Byron.

>>14809517
Typical European coward. ‘Let’s just ignore the niggers and maybe they’ll not hurt us too bad. Don’t want to be racist.’

>>14809510
Yes the man who helped discover the double helix, and the man who wrote sociobiology are bait. They’re highly reputed until recently when science has been politicized.

>>14809535
>Typical European coward. ‘Let’s just ignore the niggers and maybe they’ll not hurt us too bad. Don’t want to be racist.’

Yea I dont care about niggers and their issues nor your issues with them

>>14809535
Typical fat fucking faggot American. 'Let's just ruin everything we touch by never once not talking about our insane obsession with black people. You want to have a discussion about something? Sorry, bro, we've got to talk about Trump! We've got to talk about le niggers! Le TRUMP AND LE NIGGERS!! THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT VITAL STUFF!!'

FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT LITERATURE WHY WON'T YOU FAGGOTS FUCK OFF

>>14809567
based

>>14809498
He is right though

>>14809567
holy based...

>>14807711
Perhaps you're forgetting that Bloom is literally a jew. I give him a break. He still always acknowledged the talent of writers he personally dislikes.

>>14809567
Funny retard because blacks discuss us more than we do with them. So I’m
Glad you went on your retard cringe French frog rant, because I’m sure your ‘obsession’ with the Jews in the 1900s was just as cringe as ours with blacks.

>>14809567
stick it to the man brother!

>>14809588
I’m Jewish too. I get accused of anti-semitism just as equally as I do Zionism.

>>14809599
>>14809567
And I also mentioned knasgaurd. Anon asked for intellectuals, what more does he want? A well-read Peterson. There’s a larger audience for the public intellectual, so naturally they’d become stupider. Bloom was just a relic of the past. Read old books then, jeez

>>14809535
You mean the man who stole a woman's research to discover the double helix? lmao, science isn't politicized, it's just full of hacks and their acolytes

>>14809659
That’s rich. Jesus fuck, how’d you spin this narrative?

>>14809567
based and fuck americans

>>14806690
/Lit/ has mods now?

>>14809669
Truth is a bitter pill, ephebe

>>14806690
>I mean, what is the point of /lit/ any more? It has been completely taken over by /leftypol/, /pol/, stormfront, the ''intellectual dark web'', Bernie Sanders brigades, Zizek fans.
Correct.
>mystics who wish to talk about anything except literature
Wrong. You had me until there, faggot. Yeah, guenonfags and evolatards are annoying, but mysticism was the original core of philosophy and religion, and for some people it's still is. Mysticism should be discussed in a literature board because it's relevant to the subject.

>>14809567
Isn't that exactly Bloom in this video though? Lmao, he keeps crying about Trump, fascism, and poverty throughout an interview about literature. Quintessentially American if you ask me.

>>14805716
You know what's got to hurt the most. Through all the thousands of students he had, he never helped produce one genius writer.

>>14805895
>The DNC propping up Bloomburg is more proof of it.
Literally not even happening, you fucking pseud.

>>14806715
>>You made me act stupidly! It’s your fault more than it is mine!!

>>14805894
I honestly hate shit like this. Just seems like someone kissing his ass. An entire paragraph where 2 lines would have sufficed. Would rather read a quote of Bloom talking about his lecturing style than some fanboy creaming himself over the chance to gush over him.

>>14806690
/lit/ is booktuber general, if we're lucky someone posts pictures of their feet

>>14805763
Medication after a open heart procedure left him has that side effect.

>>14811419
Sure, but you and I both known how misleading that can be.

>>14811561
what does that tell you about him? And Paglia studied under him anyways.

>>14811606
>I honestly hate shit like this. Just seems like someone kissing his ass. An entire paragraph where 2 lines would have sufficed. Would rather read a quote of Bloom talking about his lecturing style than some fanboy creaming himself over the chance to gush over him.
I've been saying this all my life. It's not that noble lol, it's something people do in their down-time aside from the few lucky enough to have a career out of writing.

>>14811560
He talks about Trump for literally less than 30 seconds you braindead fuck

All jokes aside, Trump is a pseud filter. You don't have to like him, but if I see a person rambling about how Trump is a fascist/Russian puppet, I can with high degree of confidence write him off as a senile old person and write all of his further opinions off. It obviously goes the other way around - if a person escessively fanboys over Trump, he's probably not worth your time either. But caring about current politics AND having shitty neolib politics on top of that is a mark of an idiot 9 times out of 10.

>>14811817
>what does the word and mean
based retard

>>14811870
>I can with high degree of confidence write him off as a senile old person and write all of his further opinions off
what about trying to read any of what he wrote, anon

>>14811779
>Paglia
Yikes poor Bloom

>>14811917
I can't just read a book by everybody before forming an opinion on them. I have ~300 unread books in my apartment right now and God knows how many more in my to-read list. You need to have a basic screening process.

To be fair, I'll write his Drumpf remarks off as senility and/or lack of care about politics and leave The Western Canon in my to-read list. I'll probably get to it in 20 years or so.

>>14811951
So the only thing that you know for certain about Bloom is that he addressed Trump in an interview for less than 30 seconds, and that's enough for you to postpone reading him for at least 20 years?
I mean, you have enough reasons to dislike Bloom. To me he appears as an utterly pedantic human being and that's a feature i do dislike a lot, but i don't expect to agree with a writer in everything he says anyways.
Investigate about what he called the "school of resentment", it's a term he used on the western canon. If you have some experience with modern academia, you'll probably find that of your liking.

>>14807412
I'm not sure what got you to think that this thread was for substantial responses, but I appreciate the effort.

>>14811870
I agree completely, thankfully not all anons are retarded. Stay based.

>>14811997
>So the only thing that you know for certain about Bloom is that he addressed Trump in an interview for less than 30 seconds, and that's enough for you to postpone reading him for at least 20 years?
Different anon, Seems reasonable to me. Also he said he was against fascism and I hardly buy into liberalism, so it's not entirely senility.

>post about a literary critic
>thread is instantaneously derailed to a discussion about Trump and American politics
It depressed me that people feel the need to ruin any semblance of a decent discussion with their narcissistic need to act self-righteously. Americans are so narcissistic and self-serving, then they wonder why they end up alone and depressed.

>>14812035
I'm not american, so i can't really see how can you see this as reasonable, but ok, i guess.
Still, i will say that i consider myself on the right, politically speaking, and i would still encourage you to check out Bloom. If you're in a hurry, just do a quick search on google about the topic i mentioned the previous anon, and something it's probably going to come up. I think there's a wikipedia article. If that doesn't stimulates a little you curiosity, then i really give up men.

>>14812150
I googled it and ostensibly agree with that, but it may not be severe enough upon further reading.

>>14805894
he looks like a big fat person

>>14809567
Agreed. Hart Crane abandoned an easy job in advertising for the dimming effect it had on his mind. The implications of that, as it pertains to any internet site where you are the product, and for anyone under 50, should be obvious, though it's less obvious that they can't be satirized furiously enough. This extends to the otherwise weirdly sacrosanct owners of such operations--though one must go elsewhere to publish such results.

>>14806585
And then our Tiberius, our Claudius, our Caligula, our Nero?

>>14806710

What do you mean by "Bloom aspired to be Nabokov"? Nabokov's view of writing is practically the antithesis of Bloom! Bloom leans towards a gnosticism and mystical view of literature, the writing process and its role to mankind, much akin to Blake. Nabokov is more pragmatical (and this is probably why he had more success than Bloom as a writer, practice beats nature/inspiration all the time).
Honestly, I think Bloom realized that teaching and reading were the things he liked to do and the ones that were worth his time.

>>14806704
This is sad because it is true!

>>14812267
America is fundamentally different from any empire in history. Geographically self sufficient, it will never decline

>>14805716
get those lit meetups going in your area

>>14807065
He has stated in one of his interviews that both parties are fuck and the the left has been in a bad state for a while now, but he has to stick with his team since it's the better alternative or some shit.

>>14809567
holy based
all mutts are subhumans

>>14809126
The alt-right changes everything it touches. Just ask /b/ users before Trump, then the ones from 2011, then again the old ones circa 2009 and you will be surprised how much the style has changed, and the essence had been completely lost, now is just porn and some alt-right. Check popular subs in Reddit...the same.

>>14806690
It's sad really. There's still a few of us around, but /pol/ is always lurking. Thank you for the Wallace Stephens mention by the way, I'll check him out.

>>14805895
donald trump is a symptom of a growing schism among the american populace, and the rest of the world too. people on both sides of the aisle are becoming dumber, lazier, more impotent and naive, and donald trump is a representation of that.

He is the perfect man to sit in front of the country while TPTB carefully manipulates this incredibly vulnerable and willing populace right into the palm of their hands. Everyone is convinced of this narrative that either "orange man bad," or "orange man good," and it has become so divisive, inflammatory, and entertaining that it has the whole world seemingly in uproar, everyone simply absorbing the situation through their retinas, sifted along with the miles of garbage information poured into their brains through every sense they have.

We still find ourselves immersed in the greatest societal upheaval human-kind has witnessed yet. We stand on the precipice, the future in our hands, all our past mistakes laid out for everyone to see, so much power at our fingertips...

And yet here we are. Arguing over a literal human slug, a life-form such as Donald Trump that wants nothing more than to slop more and more feed from the trough, just as he has done his whole life. I fear people are too blind to look past the pig to his master.

I just feel like saying this sometimes, but the answer does not lie with the discourse of today, but in the discussion of tomorrow. People these days are utterly spoiled rotten, they are the product of easy times and weak men and they do not know what is best for themselves. I feel it in myself sometimes, and I'm sure that if you are reading this then you know it too, that this modern living has made us all frail and slow. We've given up too much of our humanity, too much of the old wisdom in exchange for comforts, and its led to a huge portion of society being led off course at one of the most important junctions humans will ever cross.

Maybe nobody really cares, but I do. I care about humanity. I think we're barrelling down the wrong intersection, and I fear we'll get lost before we can find our way back to the main road. I'm probably just a fucking retard though, blogging on this shit site, but at least I practiced my writing a little

>>14813079
>There's still a few of us around, but /pol/ is always lurking.
I KNEW BLOOM YEARS AGO AS AN ENGLISH MAJOR AT YALE. I DON'T HATE HIM BECAUSE OF TRUMP, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE I CAN GIVE YOU AN ENTIRE LIST OF REASONS...

>>14813081
I absolutely hate this retarded image. The reason we are like this, is mass media and collapse of meaning; not 'good times'.
Hard times don't create strong men, hard times create unpleasant attitudes and social structures; just like 'good times' but different.

>>14813082
Please

>>14812288
>X is fundamentally different from any empire in history
Said no empire ever. Every single one of them burns in flames at regular ~250 years intervals. Rome itself got the III century crisis and its Western half limped on life support for 200 more years before total collapse.
The Eastern half, meanwhile, has imploded onto itself like three times at a minimum, and like maybe five you if feel generous. Arguably the Ottoman empire was the last cycle, and it lasted as much - from mid XV to mid XVIII, and all downhill after that on life support from either Britain, France or even Russia for some time.

If wonder if Mexico ever becomes the American Persia.

>>14813123
when I knew him hw was editing...I forgeet which anthology, he was the chair of poetry at yale. He was a pompous, miserable jew prick (and I was one of his best students). He was never a good teacher (which you don't expect from someone at that level...sort of like how Seamus heaney was always drunk at Harvard, according to my brother). Just a truly miserable son of a bitch. He does seem old and broken down in that video though, and even I feel sort of bad for him.

>>14812288
>America is fundamentally different
Xaxaxaxaxa, nyet. America has no history therefore is incapable of self-reflection. European peoples have ruins from the Stone Age already lying around them, talking of ages and nations long past and forgotten. It used to be musings about the fall Constantinople, then the Roman empire, and now with paleogenetics you see continent-sized upheavals from over 6000 years ago until you basically hit the Ice Age.
Americans are more like animals, blissfully unconscious of who they are and what is happening. They will spew forth the most ignorant platitudes without blinking an eye. At least their brahmins studies the Bronze Age while reading Homer in Ancient Greek, but not during the McEmpire era they don't.

>>14813122
"good times" and "bad times" are abstractions, you obviously can't simplify it down that much but for the purpose of the point being made, it fits.

hard times force change, they force people to stand up and make hard decisions. a lot of the time those decisions are very poorly made, but ultimately we're brought back to some point of stability, whatever that is.

and then "good times" come, or like I said, just a time of stability. people are born into this stability and are less raw than those not born into it, less sharp. they're more easily dissuaded by bad men, hard men.

if you don't see the allegory here then idk. mass media and "collapse of meaning" are part of it, but those are honestly a sign of good times going sour, of weak men being walked over and having no backbone. it's not a perfect analogy but it works.

>Fascism comes from ignorance and stupidity
How could someone so erudite make a brainlet bluepilled statement like this one? How would he explain the fact that many accomplished writers and - among them ones that he admired greatly - held fascist or quasi-fascist views? Baudelaire was a reactionary, Pound was an unapologetic fascist, W.B. Yeats supported the Irish fascist Blueshirts, D.H. Lawrence was a fascist and G.B. Shaw seemed to jerk off to any kind of authoritarian government from Stalin through Pilsudski to Hitler.

>>14805743
it's kind of sad that political inclination are mostly inherited rather than freely adopted no matter how smart and educated you might be

>>14805716
Holy fuck, I somehow missed that he died last year. That's what I get for hanging out on pleb boards.
Certainly one of the greatest losses in the field of English literature so far this century.

>>14813207
The closer men came to perfecting for themselves a paradise, the more impatient they seemed to become with it, and with themselves as well. They made a garden of pleasure, and became progressively more miserable with it as it grew in richness and power and beauty; for then, perhaps, it was easier for them to see that something was missing in the garden, some tree or shrub that would not grow. When the world was in darkness and wretchedness, it could believe in perfection and yearn for it. But when the world became bright with reason and riches, it began to sense the narrowness of the needle’s eye, and that rankled for a world no longer willing to believe or yearn. - Walter M Miller Jr

I believe you have it anon. We have made a society that is too those perfect, too weak, and we are at a point where change looks on the horizon. My only fear is, it will be a bad change, a regression of some kind instead of the usual advancement. Even in the 'Dark Ages' we never really had a real collapse of culture and society. I do not know what is to come, and I am afraid.

>>14811908
He talks about fascism and poverty for even less time than Trump, kill yourself burger

>>14813791
That's far longer than he talks about Joyce.

>>14813857
And he spends about 5 minutes talking about Hamlet, what’s your point?

>>14805716
>flexes yale
wanna know how I knew he'd have nothing even remotely insightful to offer?

>>14813944
If you can’t flex Yale, what can you flex? He’s a superior intellect to you, anon, accept that.

No one takes bloom seriously

>>14805716
>le TRUMPB fascishh meme

old fart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEXL5USuDGI

>>14814021
You can flex your ideas and intellectual accomplishments. Pointing people to a body of work you produced when making a case is valid. Making a good case concisely is valid. Pointing people to your credentials is not. It's just argument from authority, and claiming yourself as the authority. Fallacious AND gauche.

>>14806585
>implying the modern US could produce anything approaching a Caesar
wow this is so incredibly fucking stupid

>>14815608
It's neither fallacious nor gauche you fucking pseud. Where does he use his credentials to actually support any argument? He's just talking about how pleased he is with his students.

>>14816004
>no argument, just stupid polemic comments
fuck off you idiot

>Blooms mentions Trump in a dissaproving way
>everybody gets triggered
Pathetic.

>>14807065
calling blumpf a fascist is the easiest and safest possible take though.

>>14805895
>DNC
>Propping up a Jew
Pick one.

>>14805716

This guy sounds like an old kook.

>>14813159
Who ruffled YOUR feathers, Vlad?

>>14816076
Yeah sorry I'm right and you're a cocksucker. Go sniff geriatric farts.

>>14817437
>The DNC would never accept money to elect the first jewish president cred.
I think even the RNC might consider this. What a fool you are.

>>14818526
At least you know when to give up.

>>14805795
lol

>>14811870
This. Immediate reactions to political figures is a pseud filter. It means you cant rationally discuss something and analyze it outside of immediate political relevance.

>>14805833
Literally couldnt make it past 2 minutes it was so awful.

>>14805716
>If you don't read deeply and you don't read the best that has been written, then you never learn how to think
>DRUMPF IS A FASCIST

What a midwit.

>>14805716
I was thinking about the importance of literature, in a way that it would refute /sci/fags who come in here and try to shit on us, and it lead me to the conclusion that the importance of literature is similar to the importance of religious belief. Considering that religion is basically dead in the west, do you guys think the same thing will happen with literature next?

>>14813498
>it's kind of sad that political inclination are mostly inherited rather than freely adopted no matter how smart and educated you might be
this is a big thing people need to understand, and someones religious beliefs are generally no different

>>14819478
Bloom was born in 1930, he saw Hitler rise to power. You should respect someone when they tell you that history is repeating itself.

>>14820264
He was 15 when ww2 ended, I doubt he could remember it accurately

>>14820264
and i'm sure i could find you someone who was also born in 1930 who saw Hitler's rise to power and DOESN'T believe that history is repeating itself, then what? do you think that because someone lived in the same time as something happened that they automatically know for sure that it is happening again?

>>14806585
cringe

>>14805787
He has failed to implement any of his major policies. Seeing as he was elected on the people's mandate, functionally speaking, I would say that makes him a bad President.

>>14805895
define fascism

>>14820453
everything i dont like t. adorno
not even being ironic right now. suck my dick you pedant. "hurrr muh perfect dictionary hurr urrff dur define that? define dat? uhhh logic uhh logic and reason hurrrr" fuck you

>>14820327
>do you think that because someone lived in the same time as something happened that they automatically know for sure that it is happening again?
yes?

>>14806690
the age of bloom posting is over

>>14820530
Well then wait until the only people left from our time period are embittered sjws or truck driver neo nazis. You’re literally saying everyone from the same time period interprets history exactly the same

>>14820642
>You’re literally saying everyone from the same time period interprets history exactly the same
they do?