/lit/ - Literature

>>14793568
You’ll notice one may criticize the Jews, and most will not bat an eye.

Criticize the Blacks, and one finds little resistance.

Criticize the Christians and you will have free pass.

But the women? How could you?

>>14793578
>But the women? How could you?
Misogyny is kosher because hot chicks are a threat to arranged marriages and inbreeding. You might have kids with someone just because you like her, and that's a no-no.

>>14793568
What's this guy's thesis?

>>14793700
That modern society is arranged for to maximize womens' sexual strategy at the expense of mens', and this is bad/dyscivic.

He was prettu obviously a major influence on the "Rational Male" guy.

>>14793578
You can't criticize the jews...

>>14793881
Let alone blacks

>>14793568
>Sexual Utopia in Power
Been meaning to read that for a long time. Thanks for reminding me.

This is on my list too.

>>14793940
I plan on reading Libido Dominandi, but I get the feeling that Sexual Utopia in Power is far superior.

Have you read Goonan's The Foundation for Exploration?

>>14793955
Never heard of it. Is it thematically related, or just in the same milieu?

>>14793959
Yes, it's related to the disintegration of society, covering socio-sexual dynamics like those other two, but it also covers a broader scope.

Why do kuffar think reading is taking action?

>>14793982
Because we aren't being enabled by globalist kikes.

>>14794020
America is the globalist kike. Western men are Co who are terrified of controlling their women

>>14793982
i literally read this as all minorities who are worried about being minorities are racist

>>14794036
The first thing Muslims do when they get to western countries, apart from pointlessly destroying things, is have ten kids who turn out even gayer and more cucked than the whites.

This is why we read political theory. So we're not fucking retarded.

>>14794051
This is false except for the ten kids part

You are cowards. We have political theory too like Maududi but it's a plan of action

>>14794082
1. They don't even need to teach those kids to be gay in school. They're already swimming in that message. It's on their smartphones. In every game they play. On every billboard they see. Every advertisement for every product.

2. Most of you are homosexual pederasts anyway.

3. Too much data shows that you dipshits all turn into gay soi consumers within a generation. You're even more susceptible to the corruption of capitalism.

4. Literally everything you're doing now is enabled by a system which considers you a bioweapon against whites and knows exactly where to point you.

5. If you want to test the power of your action plan try opposing jews in any meaningful way.

>>14793676
Misogyny isn’t kosher and is much more likely to cause social ramifications than a criticism of any other group.

>>14794230
Even jews don't believe that.
https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein

>>14794199
Our women have more courage than your men

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9viemJwvVrM

In fact we do oppose the Jews. Look up the Muslim American Society

>In 2019, Middle East Media Research Institute unveiled a video of children in a Philadelphia MAS center singing about the "blood of martyrs", "We will defend Palestine with our bodies. We will chop off their heads", and "We will lead the army of Allah fulfilling his promise, and we will subject them to eternal torture". The Anti-Defamation League said that portrayed events were "extremely disturbing"

Or the Muslim Council of Britain

>Between 2001 and 2007, the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) expressed its unwillingness to attend the Holocaust Memorial Day ceremony and associated events. In a press release dated 26 January 2001 the Council listed two points of contention that prevented them from attending the event, which were that it "totally excludes and ignores the ongoing genocide and violation of Human Rights in the occupied Palestinian territories, in Jammu and Kashmir and elsewhere" and that "It includes the controversial question of alleged Armenian genocide as well as the so-called gay genocide."[27]

>>14794493
>we don't identify as gay we just fuck little boys
>we unveiled a video of children making empty threats jews don't even take seriously from adults
>we didn't go to the Holocaust ceremony

Hoo boy. You sure got those kikes on the run.

The reason nothing happens to you is because they don't even take you seriously. And they're right not to.

The moment you become a problem your welfare goes away. The moment you become a problem the state will use hard power against you, the free jewish lawyers will stop being free, and the jewish judges will rule against you.

Not only are you incapable of resisting the jews, you're so deluded you think you're winning.

>>14793568
That’s a yikes from me, chief. And I’m also going to go ahead and hit you with a cringe. Have fun reading that in your parents’ basement.

>>14794573
We don't have with boys, what are you talking about? The practice of pederasty in Afghanistan is by the secularists (the same side that supported Russia and now backed by America), the Taliban became popular for ending it

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/southasia/2018/01/24/the-revised-afghanistan-criminal-code-an-end-for-bacha-bazi/

>>14794586
>>14793982
Why don't these anons want anyone to read this book?

>>14794596
High pederasty rates are a racial trait for africans and semites. It doesn't matter what your religion happens to be.

>>14794640
*Catholic whites--all whites, actually, the Boy Scouts filed for bankruptcy--and Jews of non semitic, white heritage

Minor correction. Don't worry, we will fix you :)

>>14794640
There is long tradition of that in the all boy boarding/church schools in Europe for hundreds of years. Even Tolkien talks about the older class-men sexually abusing the younger as a part of hazing.

>>14794649
>a client population utterly dependent on jewish power is going to fix anything
Is this taqiya or are you that dumb?

>>14794685
I don't know why you think we are dependent on Jewish power. Rather we depend on your foolishness

>>14794694
Literally every spoil you're getting in the West is being handed to you by jews.
Your entry is enabled by jewish NGOs.
The welfare is given to you by politicians owned by jews.
The legal assistance you get is comes directly from jews.
The media consistently defending you is owned and controlled by jews.

You really are too stupid to understand this. I think we're done here. If the jews don't take you seriously why should I.

>>14794719
The reason we can get into the UK so easily is many Muslim countries are in the Commonwealth. The Anglo did that, not the Jew, but close

Most certainly they take us very seriously

>>14794744
If had anything to do with the commonwealth ask yourself why you weren't flooding into the UK during the entire colonial period. Or even before 2015.

"Muh Commonwealth" is the justification used on Brits. Every country they control gets a justification tailored to them. The real reason you're there is because jews supplied the boats and bribed politicians to give you welfare. Same reason you're in every Western country.

Looks like they have you well in hand too. Gay/feminist propaganda is soft power. They won't even have to use hard power. You'll be LGBTQP consumers in less than forty years. And you'll serve your purpose as their tool. Which you either don't understand or are just playing dumb about.

>>14794799
During the colonial period we were fighting to get you out. Immigration started far earlier than 2015, it's what triggered Powell

>>14794862
If Powell couldn't stop them you certainly aren't going to.

>>14794986
Powell was an absolute imbecile who said "thank God for capitalism" and pushed legalizing sodomy because it was not the state's business to enforce religion. You have tried to make us secular and failed. Now it's our turn

>>14794862
Jamaicans triggered Powell
Different era, kuffar

>>14795094
Jamaicans are major converts now. Bilal Phillips is an extremely prominent Muslim scholar for the west, his books are in every mosque

>>14793940
Libido Dominandi is kind of interesting but ultimately an unfocused mess.

SUIP is a 30 page extended pamphlet.

>>14794596
While I don't blame Islam for semitic pederasty, it's still a fact.

>>14795152
you must be so smart, to dismiss Sexual Utopia in Power like that

>>14795159
Be careful. False accusations are what the worst wretches of hell are damned for. The Prophet, salla Allahu alayhe wassallam, says they perpetually have their face scratched and peeled off with nails. You should consider what your fabrications will cost you

>>14795046
>You have tried to make us secular and failed.
That you think it's White Westerners and not jews shows you don't even know who your enemy is. So you will fail.

Your grandchildren in the UK are going to think of you as brave LGBTQP migrants who fled oppression, and being gay and feminist is a proud Muslim tradition.

>>14795187
Threatening critics with a bad afterlife is a cope of the weak.

>>14795304
>That you think it's White Westerners
Yeah I do, it was the express policy of the British and the French. The Jews will get their turn too but you have been the worst for YOU created Israel and the secular armies that oppress us in the Middle East

>>14795311
If you think fabrication is the same as criticism, this would explain why your education system so effectively pushes liberal lies as critical thought

>>14795304
>That you think it's White Westerners
You think our memories are so short we had forgotten how you beheaded our men and raped our women to impose your atheism on us? And still try today? You think a people who memorized their entire holy book forgets that? We will behead the unbelievers among you and take your women as our slaves. The same fate awaits the Jews.

إن شاء الله

Allah ﷻ has blessed this holy jihad.

https://www.memri.org/tv/children-philadelphia-palestine-ummah-day-sacrifice-aqsa-chop-off-heads-eternal-torture

>>14795460
So when are they transitioning?

>>14795499
I'm not a Shi'ite, I don't recognize that

>>14795516
Hahaha you're a white larper.

>>14795169
I'm not dismissing it -- it's much more solid work than Libido Dominandi, even if far less ambitious.

>>14795675
I'm a practicing Muslim who is close to other practicing Muslims and engaged to a niqabi

>>14795694
Have fun with your 90 iq brown kids.

>>14795698
She's very smart for her age and converted as a kid :)

>>14795187
Yeah I've seen the boyfuckers in Afghanistan, but the Afghans aren't particularly good Muslims. It's the sodomy in Iraq, Jordan, Morocco, and a few other places I won't bother to name (though I'd note that Sultan Qaboos, while undoubtedly a competent ruler, was gay as the hot Arabian day is long) that makes me think semites have a problem with homosex -- nothing "false" about it, this is my personal experience; Western faggotry is all bark and no boof in comparison. But -- reading comprehension -- I don't blame Islam for this.

The false prophet Mohammed was guilty of a lot of things, probably including traffic with the infernal powers, but he wasn't a homo.

>>14795694
>has never actually been to the Middle East or lived in a Muslim country
Maybe you should limit your opinion on how much of an issue the buttfucking problem is in these places to people who've actually been there, kid.

>>14795702
You get around to patronize interesting establishments

>>14795689
Yeah but it's 400 pages, not 30. So maybe you don't know what you're talking about.

>>14795707
t. buttharvested kuffar

>>14795707
The Muslims I know are from Muslim countries and live in enclaves

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>>14794986

SHUT THE FUCK UP STUPID FUCKS

>>14795460
Oh, you mean the colonialism that never atempted to replace your religion, maybe had a few jesuits here and there? Not upsetting much of the culture with mass immigration and mostly just affecting top administration? Or are you talking latter when a lot of your abashed countries wanted to modernize to compete so you voluntarily enacted westernization to attempt as such?

>>14795719
Kaffir* kuffar is plural

>>14795724
That gutted Islamic law and created secularized armies that torment Muslims to this day? Yes, that one

>>14795725
Yeah but you're jewish.

>>14795758
I'm not at all, I'm Scandanavian and Scottish

>>14793568
This is only 30 pages. Summarize for us.

>Marriage is an institution; it places artifi cial limits on women’s choices. To repeat: Nature dictates that males display and females choose. Monogamy artifi cially strengthens the male’s position by insisting that 1) each female must choose a different male; and 2) each female must stick to her choice. Monogamy entails that highly attractive men are removed from the mating pool early, usually by the most attractive women. The next women are compelled to choose a less attractive mate if they wish to mate at all. Even the last and least of the females can, however, fi nd a mate: For every girl there is a boy. Abolishing marriage only strengthens the naturally stronger: It strengthens the female at the expense of the male and the attractive at the expense of the unattractive.


HOLY FUCK

>>14795733
You say that like it wasn't inevitable and necissary. Might as well complain about the mongals no longer ruling eurasia on horseback. Read some of the egyptian intellectuals after france invaded Egypt under Napoleon. They knew that these new systems were necessary to stand up power wise.

>>14795801
>Whigs knew Whiggery was progress

Shocking

>>14795805
>Gets ass blasted by a foreign army that out competed them in most respects systemically
>Sees that the ottomans are slowly waning too
>Mamelukes think there might be something too some of these new western systems
No its just whiggism. Its not like Mohammad made a revolutionary and super efficient system that worked amazingly in light if the socio-political state of the middle east.

>>14795819
In fact Sharia is an excellent system for non state actors and countries devastated by bombs because it is very low cost and depends on expertise the religious tend to already have

>>14795835
And I do not dispute this, I am simply against the antithetical notion that the person I responded to implied, by calling the general process of accepting some aspects of western systems "Whiggery". Now if we get into particulars I think there is more room for statements like that.

>>14795796
Alright on second thought this is bullshit. Explain this to me /thread/. Do men not "choose" women? Do women not "display" the fuck out of themselves? What is happening in this picture?

>>14795852
Seeing western nation states as inevitable is pretty Hegelian. They have been an absolute disaster elsewhere, in part deliberately

Seems like men need to just learn how to chill their penises and learn some emotional boundaries and women need to learn how to get what they want (sex) by displaying themselves as more than objects. Women, maybe make yourself interesting or funny or useful somehow?

Or perhaps men need to start putting as much care into their appearance as women do? You know, move past the standard grey black blue palette of male aesthetics?

>>14795863
Yeah I think he's overgeneralizing here.

The way I would put it, and Devlin gestures in this direction, is that men and women have competing strategies, and reproduction represents a coordination problem. In general, _both_ sexes both "display" and "choose" and then work something out via various means mediated by social technology since humans are social beings. But currently, _state power_ enforces a fairly extreme "men display, women choose" regime.

>Natural instinct makes young men almost literally “crazy” about girls. They have a far higher regard for young women than the facts warrant. The male sex drive that modern women complain about so much exists largely for their benefit

This seems to be the Paris Alexandros' syndrome. It's just girls. If you have enough sex it becomes very repetitive and unenchanted. Why do you think the Christians make vaginas magic black holes?

>Nature has provided [the girl] with superabundant beauty and charm for a few years so that during these years she may so capture the imagination of a man that he is carried away into undertaking to support her honorably in some form or another for the rest of her life, a step he would seem hardly likely to take for purely rational considerations. Thus nature has equipped women, as it has all its creatures, with the tools and weapons she needs for securing her existence.

>I do not see any reason why young men should be less naïve about young women than they used to be.

Ok. Guy's starting to sound like an incel.

>>14795894
>state power
I would blame Christianity for this, but there are traces of this in the Iliad. There ought to be a better way but the sexual revolution, which Devlin rightly attacks, clearly failed.

>>14793578
>You’ll notice one may criticize the Jews, and most will not bat an eye.

Only the people who run the media, academia and the government.

>>14795918
>Ok. Guy's starting to sound like an incel.
The Roastie fears the Devlin.

>Universal coeducation should be abandoned. One problem in relations between the sexes today is overfamiliarity. Young men are wont to assume that being around girls all the time will increase their chances of getting one. But familiarity is often the enemy of intimacy. When a girl only gets to socialize with young men at a dance once a week, she values the company of young men more highly. It works to the man’s advantage not to be constantly in their company. Men, also, are most likely to marry when they do not understand women too well.

Lol, alright the guy is a fag. He says women stop being hot after a while but MILFs surely exist for a reason. If women want to stop being cowards of themselves and continue reasserting Helen-syndrome (aaa can't do nythn protecc me pls ;;) then perhaps they should go the way of Plato's Gorgias and choose, for example, gymnastics over cosmetics, and physicians over confectionaries.

Men should learn how to be vain. Men need theurgy to embody their souls damn it! Display yourself for the archetypal signs you grew up in, reflect your environment and your upbringing and your culture on your clothes, your skin, whatever! Stop wearing blue black and grey! Fuck!

>>14795957
Do something selfish for yourself for once. Stop trying to protect women and read Machiavelli I don't know. Or you could actually try to engage me, but that's probably too hard for you.

>>14795789
It's 192 pages.

>>14795973
https://www.toqonline.com/archives/v6n2/DevlinTOQV6N2.pdf
???

>>14795979
The level of general inanity and bullshit on /lit/ is spiraling out of control this week. It's funny as fuck but it's all a hall of mirrors at this point.

>>14795865
Again, I am talking about the difference between particular and generalities, i did not mention nation states specifically, but some of the modes that correlate with the concept due to sheer power vacuum, is not inevitable, given contingency, but are highly probable. similar to how feudalism as a general framework could not sustain itself in general after mercantile gains in power.

>>14795984
I'm actually really happy I skimmed through that little book because it affirmed that I'm not on the traditionalist/fascist/Chr*stian side of the equation. I go to a very small Christian school and I became an officer of a philosophy club and the leader wants to study feminism all semester long so we may hopefully break new ground. :)

>>14795918
>I would blame Christianity for this, but there are traces of this in the Iliad. There ought to be a better way but the sexual revolution, which Devlin rightly attacks, clearly failed.
It's silly to blame "Christianity", an ancient religion, for a very recent problem (the sexual revolution), particularly when this problem was ostentatiously accompanied by abandoning the principles of said religion.

You might be able to argue that it's a contributing factor, but it's clearly not the proximal cause. You are correct that women have always had more freedom to choose their mates in "The West", and this is in fact one of the things that separates it from "The East" (also why the tards arguing about Islam in this thread need to stfu, Eastern attitudes towards women far pre-date Islam). And the West got along just fine with these "liberal" norms for a very, very long time.

>>14795962
Women are more attractive when they are young (call it 16-25). Sometimes PUA types make too much of it but at the end of the day it's just a fact. It is far, far more rare for a given woman to be more attractive at 35 than at 20, and most of these rare instances involve...extensive modification. And there are more attractive 20 year old women than 35 year olds.

>>14795101
>Jamaicans are major converts now
They're less than 1% of the small country's population even if you count non-Sunnis. There are several times more outspoken gays than there are Muslims.
>Bilal Phillips
Literally one guy.

>>14796040
>Women are more attractive when they are young (call it 16-25)
See my earlier comment regarding Gorgias.
> proximal cause
Maybe not, but it is an enemy in arms against authenticity.

>>14796254
>authenticity
That's just some totem for you. Your very notion of it is fetishistic.

>>14796299
No, the Word is narcissistic. This is an ontological commitment bearing no ethical necessity.

There is a shitload of effort in this thread being spent to keep people from reading this book.

Must be pretty good.

>>14795796
>Abolishing marriage only strengthens the naturally stronger: It strengthens the female at the expense of the male and the attractive at the expense of the unattractive
what a crock of shit, there's a point about the attractive being priviledged over the unattractive but that has no relation to gender. And what "nature dictates" is not social reality, that's an appeal to nature. By his own logic, monogamy is "unnatural" and yet he still endorses it. This man's writing is all over the place.

>>14796040
>>Women are more attractive when they are young (call it 16-25).
so it is true that men are born to orbit women who have no good behavioral traits, because men do not have moral standard for women, only shallow physical standards, ie youth.

no wonder society is dying.What would happen if men were not low life coomers craving to provide free sex and an easy life to women.

>>14796539
Well check out the big brain on Brad here.

>>14796551
That's enough tradcon larp for today, time to play with your anal vibrator

>>14796551
Men have moral and intellectual standards for other men. Women are primarily for having children and sexual release so these standards make perfect sense.
I don't know why you focus on men here. Women sexual selection is utterly dysgenic. Women are attracted to various forms of anti-social behaviors (including but not limited to the so called dark triad) and intelligence in a man is correlated to lower attractivity to females (the opposite is true of men on big accounts).

>>14795863
>Do men not "choose" women?
Gigachad does. This is not a common man experience.
As for women, they display themselves passively. Maybe show a bit of skin here and there, and put more care into their hair. They are not expected to do extravagant things in their 'display'.
See those galapagos birds where females just sort of show up and get thirsty males coming in droves. Who then have to fight each other or perform strange athletic dances while the female expand about one Calorie pointing her beak at the male she chose.

>>14793578
>You’ll notice one may criticize the Jews, and most will not bat an eye.
i have some bad news for you...

>>14796254
>See my earlier comment regarding Gorgias.
It's completely irrelevant.
>authenticity
fake and gay

>>14796539
Yeah I actually agree with this, except that I think that "women are more attractive than men" is basically a true statement.

What's tripping Devlin up is that "the state of nature" doesn't really exist. Monogamy is "unnatural" in the sense that it requires some sort of social/state enforcement, but of course the current status quo also has an arguably far more intrusive enforcement regime. It's not actually true liberated/feral humanity, it only markets itself that way.

>>14796551
The bloom of a woman's youth is a form of power. It can be used for good or bad. As far as "good behavioral traits" it's not as though thirtysomething women are automatically paragons of virtue, although to the extent that they are yeah it can and does make up for their declining beauty.

Also "moral standards" for anything are quite actively suppressed. For instance someone with "moral standards" would probably not consider an adulteress to be *entitled* to assets from the marriage that she dissolved, yet the law enforces such a thing.

>>14793578
bro out of all these groups you can only criticize christians right now

Why are women honestly so stupid? Aren't they human? Do they have the potential to understand the consequences of their behavior?

>>14796526
Read it. I literally read it.
>>14796580
Not engaging
>>14796875
Bullshit. 6/10 Tim doesn’t just take whatever woman comes her way. Comparability depends certainly on things not relating to a purely materialistic account of humanity. We have personalities and political opinions and religious beliefs and identifications with all variety of things.
>>14797485
You’re irrelevant.
>>14798636
Men made women that way whenever they want to see them through a materialistic account of breeding objects.

>>14796875
It’s interesting though that women pay more attention to their appearance, despite it being fake— “appearance” in the “true” way requires displaying one’s social economy, private wealth, physical traits, and so on. The book was honestly pretty interesting and seemed like an accurate portrayal of conventional marriage dynamics.

>>14798734
Everyone from weirdo muslim converts to incel soiboys are trying to steer the conversation off on weird tangents. It's going to be the next thing I read.

>>14795979
>>14798776
It’s not a long read, but it’s great yeah.

>>14793568
>author is a men's right activist
yikes to the power infinity

>>14798636
Evolution selects for fertility.

>>14795460

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